£17m To Run A Small Town League One Club !!

[Drover]

Many thanks, Tyke.  An amazing bit of video. A credit to Barnsley for being so open and honest about the company's finances. I don't see Doncaster ever doing that or the owner putting that much money in. It's always smoke and mirrors and distractions at Doncaster.

In summary:

Outgoings 17m to run the entire club
.....11m on the academy, club and players wages
.....4m lights, admin, maintenance
.....2m stewards and running match days
Incomings:
.....3m from Sky, Ifollow, etc
.....1.7m commercial sponsorship
.....3.5m tickets and match days

8.2m shortfall made up by player trading (minimal) and the owners.

Wow..

Short memories some,they not always appeared to be a transparent club

https://www.efl.com/news/2024/august/06/efl-statement--barnsley-fc/

[Chris Black come back]

Their last full set of accounts reflecting season 2022/23 in League One (play offs, not promoted) reported a total wage bill of £9.3m that was fully covered by gross turnover.

So it's not £17 million EVERY year like he said in video.

That was just the total wage bill. Lots of other costs in running a professional football club.

[tyke1962]

The chairman says that the goal is Championship consolidation and sustainability .

You'd expect him to say that of course .

Again this is something Rovers fans might find interesting as a club whose aspiration is to get back to the championship .

The last wage bill in the championship was actually £14.2m and then of course there are all the other running costs .

The £14.2m was one of the smaller wage bills in the championship , not the lowest but definitely bottom 4 .

I take the point the tv revenue is significantly higher but so are the costs which kind of balances any financial gain out of it .

You could stick to a £9m wage bill in the championship and consolidate , it's possible .

However what that would mean is that you'd have a some significantly good players who know full well they'd earn considerably more money at club's who'd be more than happy to buy them .

You then have to replace these players , you've brought money in but as the CEO alluded to the money is paid to you over a number of years so in reality you have to find talent lower down the pyramid capable of keeping you in the championship and getting paid a wage well below the majority of the Championship club's and repeat .

Little wonder the championship is a struggle and only viable for a couple of season's before you inevitably drop down in to League One .

You have to wonder what's the point ?

[DonnyBazR0ver]

The chairman says that the goal is Championship consolidation and sustainability .

You'd expect him to say that of course .

Again this is something Rovers fans might find interesting as a club whose aspiration is to get back to the championship .

The last wage bill in the championship was actually £14.2m and then of course there are all the other running costs .

The £14.2m was one of the smaller wage bills in the championship , not the lowest but definitely bottom 4 .

I take the point the tv revenue is significantly higher but so are the costs which kind of balances any financial gain out of it .

You could stick to a £9m wage bill in the championship and consolidate , it's possible .

However what that would mean is that you'd have a some significantly good players who know full well they'd earn considerably more money at club's who'd be more than happy to buy them .

You then have to replace these players , you've brought money in but as the CEO alluded to the money is paid to you over a number of years so in reality you have to find talent lower down the pyramid capable of keeping you in the championship and getting paid a wage well below the majority of the Championship club's and repeat .

Little wonder the championship is a struggle and only viable for a couple of season's before you inevitably drop down in to League One .

You have to wonder what's the point ?

Good post. And a very good question.

Is it as much about the journey as the achievement? If our respective clubs are trying to do the right things, then football can be enjoyable in any division. Of course, we all would like to pick our wits as high as possible but we know we will come across bigger fishes at some point.

[Chris Black come back]

The chairman says that the goal is Championship consolidation and sustainability .

You'd expect him to say that of course .

Again this is something Rovers fans might find interesting as a club whose aspiration is to get back to the championship .

The last wage bill in the championship was actually £14.2m and then of course there are all the other running costs .

The £14.2m was one of the smaller wage bills in the championship , not the lowest but definitely bottom 4 .

I take the point the tv revenue is significantly higher but so are the costs which kind of balances any financial gain out of it .

You could stick to a £9m wage bill in the championship and consolidate , it's possible .

However what that would mean is that you'd have a some significantly good players who know full well they'd earn considerably more money at club's who'd be more than happy to buy them .

You then have to replace these players , you've brought money in but as the CEO alluded to the money is paid to you over a number of years so in reality you have to find talent lower down the pyramid capable of keeping you in the championship and getting paid a wage well below the majority of the Championship club's and repeat .

Little wonder the championship is a struggle and only viable for a couple of season's before you inevitably drop down in to League One .

You have to wonder what's the point ?

Good post. And a very good question.

Is it as much about the journey as the achievement? If our respective clubs are trying to do the right things, then football can be enjoyable in any division. Of course, we all would like to pick our wits as high as possible but we know we will come across bigger fishes at some point.

I agree with much of this. I’d like us to be shooting for the stars but really I’d be happy with getting back to League One and being competitive there. League Two feels a bit too low for us. League One about right. Brief Championship visits once a decade. That would be a great target for us.

[tyke1962]

The chairman says that the goal is Championship consolidation and sustainability .

You'd expect him to say that of course .

Again this is something Rovers fans might find interesting as a club whose aspiration is to get back to the championship .

The last wage bill in the championship was actually £14.2m and then of course there are all the other running costs .

The £14.2m was one of the smaller wage bills in the championship , not the lowest but definitely bottom 4 .

I take the point the tv revenue is significantly higher but so are the costs which kind of balances any financial gain out of it .

You could stick to a £9m wage bill in the championship and consolidate , it's possible .

However what that would mean is that you'd have a some significantly good players who know full well they'd earn considerably more money at club's who'd be more than happy to buy them .

You then have to replace these players , you've brought money in but as the CEO alluded to the money is paid to you over a number of years so in reality you have to find talent lower down the pyramid capable of keeping you in the championship and getting paid a wage well below the majority of the Championship club's and repeat .

Little wonder the championship is a struggle and only viable for a couple of season's before you inevitably drop down in to League One .

You have to wonder what's the point ?

Good post. And a very good question.

Is it as much about the journey as the achievement? If our respective clubs are trying to do the right things, then football can be enjoyable in any division. Of course, we all would like to pick our wits as high as possible but we know we will come across bigger fishes at some point.

The journey is as you say a massive part of it , going back to the last league one promotion campaign it was a cracking season under Daniel Stendel .

So using that season as an example pretty much tells you how it rolls or potentially does .

The team that got promoted was more than capable of holding its own in the championship , in fact the team that was promoted under Hecky in 2016 also held it's own .

Within weeks of securing promotion under Stendel we lost Goalkeeper Adam Davies , the two outstanding centre backs Ethan Pinnock and Liam Lindsay plus the 22 goals of Kieffer Moore .

The whole spine of the team went in one single window and we were powerless to prevent it in reality .


The previous promotion under Hecky saw us lose Mawson , Roberts , Hourihane and Winnall over the next 12 months .

It's frustrating and because I know if we are promoted again I also know what is likely to happen .

When it happens twice you kind of start evaluating the merits of actually trying to compete in the championship .

The actual achievement is quickly taken away from you and you are back to square one .

To be honest my actual interest isn't what it was by any means these days .

It's nothing to do with success or should I say the lack of it , you pretty much know when you reach a certain age what you've signed up for supporting your local team and you aren't likely to be hosting Real Madrid in a European competition anytime soon .

However these days the success you do have is taken away so quickly and you haven't a cat in hells chance of building something that even keeps the flame burning with the dream factor .

Without the dream factor that kept you going in tough season's then you have to wonder what's this all about today .

[BobG]

Hear hear!

I have a mate who supports Man Utd. He is an intelligent, educated and thoughtful guy. Yet he also believes Utd should win almost every competition almost every year. The impact on other clubs, on competition generally,  of actually achieving that completely passes him by.

There IS no point now for any club challenging the established hierarchy - unless they have a tame sheikh or oligarch to hand. Which, of course, brings us all the way back to the risk v reward nature of buying success with somebody else's money.

BobG

[graingrover]

I know friends who support Ipswich and Brentford respectively .The Brentford fan is my generation so started supporting them in the late 50´s .He waited a long time for success but he says he has ´ lost ´ the close association he had with the club since it reached the Premiership , cannot get a ticket to games and is disenchanted .My Ipswich mate is now also priced out of a club he has supported for years too.

[BobG]

And that is yet another cost of success. Having got there, it's inevitable that to sit at the top table you will need top table resources. So economics, marketing and maximising every single source of revenue becomes inevitable. So out go the old support group. The big question is - will they come back when the bubble bursts ...?

BobG


Later: I have a number of mates who support Brighton, the Bellotti and Archer era rebels, who fought fir their club, who all tell me that although they can get seats - it's a big ground - they have very little sense of connection to what was their club, their team


This is definitely worth reading.

Sorry. Typeface insists it wants to be illegible. It's a link to a Football 365 article. It does still work if you click it


https://www.football365.com/news/unfit-and-improper-the-calamity-of-football-league-owners

BobG