European Super League

[tyke1962]

I thought at the time this wasn't the end of it despite it folding like a pack of cards once the fans demonstrated .

The type of people behind it were never going to just go away .


https://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/1989769/European-Super-League-UEFA

[Nudga]

I honestly hope that the big 6 bugger off and do their own thing.
Leave our domestic game completely and leave the rest of us to enjoy OUR game.
Would be a more level playing field then.

[GazLaz]

Why would it end up being any different to the rejigged CL rebranded under a different name?

[silent majority]

Why would it end up being any different to the rejigged CL rebranded under a different name?

In that respect it wouldn't. But it's not a UEFA competition therefore it would be in addition to the Champions League. Or more than likely a competitor.

[silent majority]

I thought at the time this wasn't the end of it despite it folding like a pack of cards once the fans demonstrated .

The type of people behind it were never going to just go away .


https://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/1989769/European-Super-League-UEFA

But all major parties in the UK have said they won't support a breakaway, and hopefully this news will spur this government on to get the Independent regulator in place.

[tyke1962]

I thought at the time this wasn't the end of it despite it folding like a pack of cards once the fans demonstrated .

The type of people behind it were never going to just go away .


https://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/1989769/European-Super-League-UEFA

But all major parties in the UK have said they won't support a breakaway, and hopefully this news will spur this government on to get the Independent regulator in place.

Well I understand FIFA or UEFA wouldn't be allowed to stop it under the ruling by the European Court fairly recently that said both governing bodies were in breach of competition rules .

How that plays out in the U.K. I don't know but I do know that our biggest club's aren't likely to turn their backs on the mega millions that will be available to them by signing up .

Not only that their investment in to their respective Premier League club's would be wiped out in an instant when the big stars over here move to the club's who have signed up .

The Premier League would return to a time not seen in England since the 1980's when the best players played in Italy and Spain .

What we have to remember is that these owners of our so called elite football club's have no loyalty to English football , it's history or it's heritage and most certainly not to it's fans .

These people in their world have bought brands that can be transported anywhere their investment is best served .

[danumdon]

This was always going to happen sooner or later.

You'd like to think that the relevant authorities have already war gamed this scenario.

You'd like to think!

I personally would be quite happy for them to do one, lets have a revamp of our national structure and go our own way. Let the fair weather fans and clubs have their greedy way until they kill their golden goose.

[tyke1962]

This was always going to happen sooner or later.

You'd like to think that the relevant authorities have already war gamed this scenario.

You'd like to think!

I personally would be quite happy for them to do one, lets have a revamp of our national structure and go our own way. Let the fair weather fans and clubs have their greedy way until they kill their golden goose.

The thing is DD and I understand your view but there are consequences for clubs such as Rovers and Barnsley .

Sky are going to take a huge hit on their revenue streams should the English elite club's join a European Super League and that could potentially affect us too .

We ourselves have signed many foreign players who have come to Barnsley with the intention of doing well and getting a move to the Premier League .

Having the most watched  and richest league in the world right here we indirectly get a ride on the back of that .

There is also the aspirational side to this with clubs such as ourselves , Swindon Town , Oldham Athletic , Bradford City , Luton Town , Charlton Athletic , Brentford , Bournemouth and Wimbledon having reached the top flight .

Doncaster Rovers minus the elite club's in the Premier League would be an extremely diluted achievement , the prize really is playing the very big boys .

Would England winning the world cup without Brazil , Argentina , Germany , France , Spain and Italy at the tournament be quite the same thing ? , maybe not .

I guess it depends how you see your football and there isn't really a right or wrong scenario .

The fans may well have made a huge contribution in ending the last European Super League and they may well be motivated enough not to attend their club's games anymore .

The problem is there are thousands more who will gladly take their places in the stands given the waiting lists for Season Tickets at our elite club's .


The European Super League will happen in my opinion and nobody will be able to prevent it .

[DonnyBazR0ver]

Sounds alot like to disquiet sewn before LIV golf was launched.

This will probably hinge on whether it disrupts domestic leagues, with clubs having to resign from the EPL to participate. No doubt, the lawyers will rule that the EPL cannot stop them but my guess is the fans will and would rather form phoenix clubs than have their club taken away from them.  Some players will always follow the money but others are a bit more selective about what's at stake.

[danumdon]

This was always going to happen sooner or later.

You'd like to think that the relevant authorities have already war gamed this scenario.

You'd like to think!

I personally would be quite happy for them to do one, lets have a revamp of our national structure and go our own way. Let the fair weather fans and clubs have their greedy way until they kill their golden goose.

The thing is DD and I understand your view but there are consequences for clubs such as Rovers and Barnsley .

Sky are going to take a huge hit on their revenue streams should the English elite club's join a European Super League and that could potentially affect us too .

We ourselves have signed many foreign players who have come to Barnsley with the intention of doing well and getting a move to the Premier League .

Having the most watched  and richest league in the world right here we indirectly get a ride on the back of that .

There is also the aspirational side to this with clubs such as ourselves , Swindon Town , Oldham Athletic , Bradford City , Luton Town , Charlton Athletic , Brentford , Bournemouth and Wimbledon having reached the top flight .

Doncaster Rovers minus the elite club's in the Premier League would be an extremely diluted achievement , the prize really is playing the very big boys .

Would England winning the world cup without Brazil , Argentina , Germany , France , Spain and Italy at the tournament be quite the same thing ? , maybe not .

I guess it depends how you see your football and there isn't really a right or wrong scenario .

The fans may well have made a huge contribution in ending the last European Super League and they may well be motivated enough not to attend their club's games anymore .

The problem is there are thousands more who will gladly take their places in the stands given the waiting lists for Season Tickets at our elite club's .


The European Super League will happen in my opinion and nobody will be able to prevent it .

I agree to a certain extent. It would in effect be like reverting back to pre SKY and the premier league. There was not so much money in football then and most clubs ensured they fitted into that system.

Be a big sea change for some but for lower league clubs that might involve semi pro leagues again, would the football spectacle be any less for fans of these types of club?

[i_ateallthepies]

This was always going to happen sooner or later.

You'd like to think that the relevant authorities have already war gamed this scenario.

You'd like to think!

I personally would be quite happy for them to do one, lets have a revamp of our national structure and go our own way. Let the fair weather fans and clubs have their greedy way until they kill their golden goose.

The thing is DD and I understand your view but there are consequences for clubs such as Rovers and Barnsley .

Sky are going to take a huge hit on their revenue streams should the English elite club's join a European Super League and that could potentially affect us too .

We ourselves have signed many foreign players who have come to Barnsley with the intention of doing well and getting a move to the Premier League .

Having the most watched  and richest league in the world right here we indirectly get a ride on the back of that .

There is also the aspirational side to this with clubs such as ourselves , Swindon Town , Oldham Athletic , Bradford City , Luton Town , Charlton Athletic , Brentford , Bournemouth and Wimbledon having reached the top flight .

Doncaster Rovers minus the elite club's in the Premier League would be an extremely diluted achievement , the prize really is playing the very big boys .

Would England winning the world cup without Brazil , Argentina , Germany , France , Spain and Italy at the tournament be quite the same thing ? , maybe not .

I guess it depends how you see your football and there isn't really a right or wrong scenario .

The fans may well have made a huge contribution in ending the last European Super League and they may well be motivated enough not to attend their club's games anymore .

The problem is there are thousands more who will gladly take their places in the stands given the waiting lists for Season Tickets at our elite club's .


The European Super League will happen in my opinion and nobody will be able to prevent it .

If funding to the lower tier clubs is reduced it will simply mean the wages to players must be driven down.  The players we can attract will almost never be in the running to play with the Super League clubs and most will still want to find employment playing football.  Certainly there will be a period of realignment required and perhaps the balance between EFL and foreign leagues will shift meaning some of those attracted to our shores will not come but on the whole I wouldn't be too concerned by that.

[tyke1962]

Nearly half of all Premier League club's are now owned by American investors , these include , Manchester United , Liverpool , Aston Villa , Chelsea and Arsenal .

20 years ago there were none , throw in the Middle East owners and you can join the dots .

The American sports club owner is a totally different beast to what we are historically accustomed to here , in fact the US sports fan is a different beast to ourselves .

Club's move from one city to another all the time , it's an accepted part of their sporting culture .

They will move simply to exercise added  value to their brand and their investment .

Moving competition would be child's play to them when shifting from the Premier League to a European Super League .

When football club's become as big as some of our elite club's have then this is just part of that growth .

[DonnyBazR0ver]

Nearly half of all Premier League club's are now owned by American investors , these include , Manchester United , Liverpool , Aston Villa , Chelsea and Arsenal .

20 years ago there were none , throw in the Middle East owners and you can join the dots .

The American sports club owner is a totally different beast to what we are historically accustomed to here , in fact the US sports fan is a different beast to ourselves .

Club's move from one city to another all the time , it's an accepted part of their sporting culture .

They will move simply to exercise added  value to their brand and their investment .

Moving competition would be child's play to them when shifting from the Premier League to a European Super League .

When football club's become as big as some of our elite club's have then this is just part of that growth .

Your concerns are genuine and it's difficult to predict how the younger generation will face these challenges. I think it's fair to say we as the older generation still value this history of our pyramid, comminuity clubs and what ultimately leads to certain clubs being defined as 'great' or 'big clubs' They are only great because of the Pyramid, the jeopardy of relegation etc, playing 'smaller' clubs, or rival local clubs with the risk of getting beat.

If you were a Man U or Arsenal fan, could you allow your club to resign from.the league with the prospect of not playing the likes of Everton, Crystal Palace etc ever again? 

Meanwhile the domestic league reorganises under one EFL entity with the top division playing for the original Championship Trophy, attendances are just as healthy, the EFL share more equitably any new domestic TV rights, so
the clubs can still pay their players a good wage. Maybe more local business people would once again go into football ownership without feeling they have to compete with state owned clubs or foreign conglomerates.

It would be interesting once again to see the depth of feeling, although the response from fans the first time around was telling. If it means foreign owners leaving with their billions then we shouldn’t be afraid of that.

[tyke1962]

Nearly half of all Premier League club's are now owned by American investors , these include , Manchester United , Liverpool , Aston Villa , Chelsea and Arsenal .

20 years ago there were none , throw in the Middle East owners and you can join the dots .

The American sports club owner is a totally different beast to what we are historically accustomed to here , in fact the US sports fan is a different beast to ourselves .

Club's move from one city to another all the time , it's an accepted part of their sporting culture .

They will move simply to exercise added  value to their brand and their investment .

Moving competition would be child's play to them when shifting from the Premier League to a European Super League .

When football club's become as big as some of our elite club's have then this is just part of that growth .

Your concerns are genuine and it's difficult to predict how the younger generation will face these challenges. I think it's fair to say we as the older generation still value this history of our pyramid, comminuity clubs and what ultimately leads to certain clubs being defined as 'great' or 'big clubs' They are only great because of the Pyramid, the jeopardy of relegation etc, playing 'smaller' clubs, or rival local clubs with the risk of getting beat.

If you were a Man U or Arsenal fan, could you allow your club to resign from.the league with the prospect of not playing the likes of Everton, Crystal Palace etc ever again? 

Meanwhile the domestic league reorganises under one EFL entity with the top division playing for the original Championship Trophy, attendances are just as healthy, the EFL share more equitably any new domestic TV rights, so
the clubs can still pay their players a good wage. Maybe more local business people would once again go into football ownership without feeling they have to compete with state owned clubs or foreign conglomerates.

It would be interesting once again to see the depth of feeling, although the response from fans the first time around was telling. If it means foreign owners leaving with their billions then we shouldn’t be afraid of that.

We are potentially in uncharted territory in my opinion should the elite Premier League club's leave for a European Super League .

I'm from the same age group that cut their teeth from the 1960's at Oakwell and can still remember the game before the Premier League came along .

For all the game was back then we still had the big clubs who we could sometimes play in FA or League Cup ties .

I honestly don't know how it would play out domestically with the elite club's gone but as mentioned players wages would have to drop significantly , the amount of coaches we see today as oppose to different times would also go .

The game is set up today the way it is because of the circumstances of today the transition would be difficult .

The only other sport I can tap into on this is Rugby League where the average yearly salary is £60k a year for a Super League player full time .

My thinking is that if Rugby League players find that attractive enough to play one of the toughest sports in the world then footballers would too once we got through the transition .

It's negotiating that transition that will be the difficulty in my opinion .