McCann and Doncaster Rovers

[Chris Black come back]

Today was league game 121 in charge of us and league win 56. That is a win ratio of just over 46 per cent. If you turn up to watch Rovers under McCann you can expect a league win pretty much once every two games.

[In the box]

Today was league game 121 in charge of us and league win 56. That is a win ratio of just over 46 per cent. If you turn up to watch Rovers under McCann you can expect a league win pretty much once every two games.

I think that’s why the club put a high price on his head should anyone want his and Cliffs Services ..

[pib]

We can't have had that many better in terms of win % I can't imagine.

Penney's was 47%. O'Driscoll's 36% (but most of those games in the Championship), Flynn was 50% but only over a 20-game sample.

[ForsolongaRover]

We can't have had that many better in terms of win % I can't imagine.

Penney's was 47%. O'Driscoll's 36% (but most of those games in the Championship), Flynn was 50% but only over a 20-game sample.

Never mind the win percentages, McCann has some way to go emulate Penney, Ferguson or O’Driscoll. He hasn’t actually even achieved promotion yet!

[In the box]

We can't have had that many better in terms of win % I can't imagine.

Penney's was 47%. O'Driscoll's 36% (but most of those games in the Championship), Flynn was 50% but only over a 20-game sample.

Never mind the win percentages, McCann has some way to go emulate Penney, Ferguson or O’Driscoll. He hasn’t actually even achieved promotion yet!

yes he’s failed twice and he has still not found a decent goal scorer .

[BillyStubbsTears]

For context Darren Moore's win ratio was 45%.

[Chris Black come back]

I think the difference is that certainly this time round, McCann walked into an absolute shitshow. It took him the best part of last season to turn that around. Moore didn’t and Penney didn’t. SOD certainly didn’t.

[pib]

We can't have had that many better in terms of win % I can't imagine.

Penney's was 47%. O'Driscoll's 36% (but most of those games in the Championship), Flynn was 50% but only over a 20-game sample.

Never mind the win percentages, McCann has some way to go emulate Penney, Ferguson or O’Driscoll. He hasn’t actually even achieved promotion yet!

I don't dispute that for one second. Doesn't change that he's one of our best-performing managers on this particular metric though.

[Bristol Red Rover]

Win ratios.... 

[ForsolongaRover]

We can't have had that many better in terms of win % I can't imagine.

Penney's was 47%. O'Driscoll's 36% (but most of those games in the Championship), Flynn was 50% but only over a 20-game sample.

Never mind the win percentages, McCann has some way to go emulate Penney, Ferguson or O’Driscoll. He hasn’t actually even achieved promotion yet!

I don't dispute that for one second. Doesn't change that he's one of our best-performing managers on this particular metric though.

This was evident for the stats, but he has been well resourced this season at least and until promotion is achieved it remains merely a statistic. In fact, if we do not begin next season in League 1 it will remain a “metric” of little value.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Just thinking back.

That run started a year ago this week.

Since then, we've won 93 points from 46 games. Clear title winning form most years. The past 12 months must rank in the top handful we've ever had. Weird in that context that there's been so little entertainment in the home games this season.

But.

If we do make automatic promotion this year, that'll be nearly a season and a half that we'll have been in top 2-ish form. That would mean going up with quite some momentum.

[VivaRovers]

I think the difference is that certainly this time round, McCann walked into an absolute shitshow. It took him the best part of last season to turn that around. Moore didn’t and Penney didn’t. SOD certainly didn’t.

Moore did. A significant number of key players left in the summer of 2019, some of their own accord, some encouraged out the door by McCann before he himself left. Moore was left with a pretty threadbare squad.

I know Moore isn't popular with a lot of people, but we should give him his dues, he did well with what he inherited in that Covid curtailed season, and then exceeded expectations in the first half of 2020-21.

[Goole Rover]

Yes he did really well by giving Alfie away.

[BillyStubbsTears]

I think the difference is that certainly this time round, McCann walked into an absolute shitshow. It took him the best part of last season to turn that around. Moore didn’t and Penney didn’t. SOD certainly didn’t.

Moore did. A significant number of key players left in the summer of 2019, some of their own accord, some encouraged out the door by McCann before he himself left. Moore was left with a pretty threadbare squad.

I know Moore isn't popular with a lot of people, but we should give him his dues, he did well with what he inherited in that Covid curtailed season, and then exceeded expectations in the first half of 2020-21.

Moore inherited a very difficult situation.

Yes we'd been in the playoffs the season before. But he took over with a month to go before the start of the season and the squad shorn of the following key players from the previous year.

Marosi
Butler
Andrew
Rowe
Kane
Wills
and Marquis who was never re-signing.

It was total rebuild time. And within 6 months he had got us playing some of the sharpest and most successful football I've ever seen from a Rovers team. At L1 level he was tactically 3 years ahead of what was coming. Now nearly everyone on the lower leagues starts with possession at the back and looks for fast, accurate short passing and movement. When Moore introduced it to us, it was like nothing we'd ever seen before.

I know how he left us. I get that. But the vitriol he gets, in the context of what he actually did as a manager is WAY overdone and I've never got why that is.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Yes he did really well by giving Alfie away.

And once again. May was a available for the entire 2018/19 season. McCann chose to start him in just 8 league games.

He then dropped a division and scored a grand total of 15 goals in his first 58 league appearances. Steady but hardly earth shattering.

The line spun in here that it was blindingly obvious that May would blossom into what he became is absolute cack.

[Chris Black come back]

Moore inherited what was probably a mid-table League One squad. McCann inherited at best a bottom half League Two squad. We can disassociate the fact that Moore hugely overachieved during his time with us (although left a squad in structural decline once the loans were stripped out) from the fact that he inherited a solid but unspectacular squad of League One journeymen.

[VivaRovers]

I think the difference is that certainly this time round, McCann walked into an absolute shitshow. It took him the best part of last season to turn that around. Moore didn’t and Penney didn’t. SOD certainly didn’t.

Moore did. A significant number of key players left in the summer of 2019, some of their own accord, some encouraged out the door by McCann before he himself left. Moore was left with a pretty threadbare squad.

I know Moore isn't popular with a lot of people, but we should give him his dues, he did well with what he inherited in that Covid curtailed season, and then exceeded expectations in the first half of 2020-21.

Moore inherited a very difficult situation.

Yes we'd been in the playoffs the season before. But he took over with a month to go before the start of the season and the squad shorn of the following key players from the previous year.

Marosi
Butler
Andrew
Rowe
Kane
Wills
and Marquis who was never re-signing.

It was total rebuild time. And within 6 months he had got us playing some of the sharpest and most successful football I've ever seen from a Rovers team. At L1 level he was tactically 3 years ahead of what was coming. Now nearly everyone on the lower leagues starts with possession at the back and looks for fast, accurate short passing and movement. When Moore introduced it to us, it was like nothing we'd ever seen before.

I know how he left us. I get that. But the vitriol he gets, in the context of what he actually did as a manager is WAY overdone and I've never got why that is.

You've just reiterated my point with more words.

The strongest marker of what the summer departures meant comes when you look at the Rovers line-up for the play-off semi-final at Charlton. Moore only had three of that starting XI at his disposal at the start of the following season.

[TheFunk]

Moore also gave Watters away who then sold for a million quid six months later. He apparently never once watched the U18s train never mind play a match. Not to mention the first team players making complaints about his lack of timekeeping and training sessions being boring.

[scawsby steve]

I think the difference is that certainly this time round, McCann walked into an absolute shitshow. It took him the best part of last season to turn that around. Moore didn’t and Penney didn’t. SOD certainly didn’t.

Moore did. A significant number of key players left in the summer of 2019, some of their own accord, some encouraged out the door by McCann before he himself left. Moore was left with a pretty threadbare squad.

I know Moore isn't popular with a lot of people, but we should give him his dues, he did well with what he inherited in that Covid curtailed season, and then exceeded expectations in the first half of 2020-21.

Moore inherited a very difficult situation.

Yes we'd been in the playoffs the season before. But he took over with a month to go before the start of the season and the squad shorn of the following key players from the previous year.

Marosi
Butler
Andrew
Rowe
Kane
Wills
and Marquis who was never re-signing.

It was total rebuild time. And within 6 months he had got us playing some of the sharpest and most successful football I've ever seen from a Rovers team. At L1 level he was tactically 3 years ahead of what was coming. Now nearly everyone on the lower leagues starts with possession at the back and looks for fast, accurate short passing and movement. When Moore introduced it to us, it was like nothing we'd ever seen before.

I know how he left us. I get that. But the vitriol he gets, in the context of what he actually did as a manager is WAY overdone and I've never got why that is.

We lost Paul Downing from that squad as well. Very important defender for us at that time.

[Bessie Red]

We can't have had that many better in terms of win % I can't imagine.

Penney's was 47%. O'Driscoll's 36% (but most of those games in the Championship), Flynn was 50% but only over a 20-game sample.

Never mind the win percentages, McCann has some way to go emulate Penney, Ferguson or O’Driscoll. He hasn’t actually even achieved promotion yet!

yes he’s failed twice and he has still not found a decent goal scorer .

Ironside was pretty decent last season don't you think?

[RoversInSpain]

Yes he did really well by giving Alfie away.

And once again. May was a available for the entire 2018/19 season. McCann chose to start him in just 8 league games.

He then dropped a division and scored a grand total of 15 goals in his first 58 league appearances. Steady but hardly earth shattering.

The line spun in here that it was blindingly obvious that May would blossom into what he became is absolute cack.

Absolutely spot on. I guess those that obviously  knew otherwise have fantastic jobs in football player scouting.

[Bentley Bullet]

Yes he did really well by giving Alfie away.

And once again. May was a available for the entire 2018/19 season. McCann chose to start him in just 8 league games.

He then dropped a division and scored a grand total of 15 goals in his first 58 league appearances. Steady but hardly earth shattering.

The line spun in here that it was blindingly obvious that May would blossom into what he became is absolute cack.

Absolutely spot on. I guess those that obviously  knew otherwise have fantastic jobs in football player scouting.

Some people on this forum said that May would never score many goals in League One, and had found his level in League Two. On the other hand, some of us said he showed great potential and, given the chance, and played in the right position he would prove those doubters wrong.

It was his doubters that were talking cack.

.... And some of them still are.

[Goole Rover]

Yes he did really well by giving Alfie away.

And once again. May was a available for the entire 2018/19 season. McCann chose to start him in just 8 league games.

He then dropped a division and scored a grand total of 15 goals in his first 58 league appearances. Steady but hardly earth shattering.

The line spun in here that it was blindingly obvious that May would blossom into what he became is absolute cack.

Absolutely spot on. I guess those that obviously  knew otherwise have fantastic jobs in football player scouting.

You could be right, I would have been happier than in my job of management. It was obvious that Alfie had more in his locker, just needed the opportunity.

[selby]

He was not as good as the players we had here at the time in the same positions, that is why he didn't get the opportunities here.
  He went to a club where he did get the opportunity and did well, the best of luck to the lad.
   If he had stayed here another year the chances are two fold, he could have done as well here which would have been great, or could have ended up back in non league, as he had managers who plainly didn't fancy him and Covid lay ahead.
  In hindsight he could well have been a very lucky boy, but has proved he deserved that luck. 

[Goole Rover]

It was patently obvious to me BD. I had to get one right.

[Bentley Bullet]

He was not as good as the players we had here at the time in the same positions, that is why he didn't get the opportunities here.
  He went to a club where he did get the opportunity and did well, the best of luck to the lad.
   If he had stayed here another year the chances are two fold, he could have done as well here which would have been great, or could have ended up back in non league, as he had managers who plainly didn't fancy him and Covid lay ahead.
  In hindsight he could well have been a very lucky boy, but has proved he deserved that luck. 

May didn't get the opportunity because both Marquis and Williams before him were successful strikers, and it would have been considered a case of fixing something that wasn't broken if May had been given a proper chance in front of them.

Darren Moore then came in and despite Williams and then Marquis' departure, decided May could leave for peanuts, regarding Rakish Bingham and Kwame Thomas as better options!

[drfchound]

He was not as good as the players we had here at the time in the same positions, that is why he didn't get the opportunities here.
  He went to a club where he did get the opportunity and did well, the best of luck to the lad.
   If he had stayed here another year the chances are two fold, he could have done as well here which would have been great, or could have ended up back in non league, as he had managers who plainly didn't fancy him and Covid lay ahead.
  In hindsight he could well have been a very lucky boy, but has proved he deserved that luck. 

May didn't get the opportunity because both Marquis and Williams before him were successful strikers, and it would have been considered a case of fixing something that wasn't broken if May had been given a proper chance in front of them.

Darren Moore then came in and despite Williams and then Marquis' departure, decided May could leave for peanuts, regarding Rakish Bingham and Kwame Thomas as better options!

Hard to believe that he thought those two were better than Alfie.
Why does anyone think he picked them first?

[IDM]

Did May depart before they arrived.?

[i_ateallthepies]

He was not as good as the players we had here at the time in the same positions, that is why he didn't get the opportunities here.
  He went to a club where he did get the opportunity and did well, the best of luck to the lad.
   If he had stayed here another year the chances are two fold, he could have done as well here which would have been great, or could have ended up back in non league, as he had managers who plainly didn't fancy him and Covid lay ahead.
  In hindsight he could well have been a very lucky boy, but has proved he deserved that luck. 

May didn't get the opportunity because both Marquis and Williams before him were successful strikers, and it would have been considered a case of fixing something that wasn't broken if May had been given a proper chance in front of them.

Darren Moore then came in and despite Williams and then Marquis' departure, decided May could leave for peanuts, regarding Rakish Bingham and Kwame Thomas as better options!

Hard to believe that he thought those two were better than Alfie.
Why does anyone think he picked them first?

They convinced DM that they believed the Bible to be factually correct?

[sedwardsdrfc]

Are we really doing the Alfie May argument again!