Yet another horrible watch ....

[Padge_DRFC]

It's time physios treated players as the game goes on like in rugby. It's becoming a joke now. Shouldn't need to stop and check all the time.

As for the GK faking injury which we've done ourselves I'm not sure what the answer is there

[Donnywolf]

Agree .... It is a total joke now and calling physios on would help but who would bet on them NOT getting in the way of an opposition move ?

And yes the Keeper still would hold the "get out of jail card" . Like Wimbledon on Saturday , he falls to floor presumably bitten by a Gnat and the game has to stop.

The way to stop most of it dead is a fixed time Clock. Keeper goes down or Player goes down , Clock stops

An end to waiting for the Keeper ( any Keeper ) taking forever to take a Goal Kick using an entire repertoire to make sure he takes at least 30 plus seconds each kick. Their GK actually missed a ball ROLLED to him by Ball boy on Saturday

Again all that gone in the blink of an eye ,  so Clock stops & Keeper could start his run up at Cheswold and wouldn't cost 1 second of game play

AND unlike Saturday when there was time wasting in the extreme we wouldn't be roaring in disbelief at the ridiculous 3 minutes Hair ( brain ) added on , because the time keeping would be much more accurate and there would be NO added time any more

Think of the hundreds of ways Teams are running down the Clock in every game and most disappear immediately

However there would still be time wasted or game management because every angle will be looked at in today's professional game

I can think of some that wouldn't be stopped and exist already

Taking the ball to the Corner Flag would still be a weapon

Keepers catching a ball and throwing themselves to the Ground

I had thought of a third one but can't recall it at the moment but feel free to add your own
 and I'm sure people can add a few to this list

[Albert Trousers]

I thought that when their keeper went down it was a great piece of tactical play from their staff, they obviously used the time to change things as we were well on top & after the stoppage they took a hold of the game & looked more dangerous, I sometimes wish we could be as tactically astute & shithouse a bit more.

[Spud]

I thought that when their keeper went down it was a great piece of tactical play from their staff, they obviously used the time to change things as we were well on top & after the stoppage they took a hold of the game & looked more dangerous, I sometimes wish we could be as tactically astute & shithouse a bit more.

We all recognise that's what it was, the question is, is that what we want to watch? Or a game of football without so much moral cheating, or shithousery as it's labelled?

[Alan Southstand]

The game went as I thought it would - except for BS getting himself sent off. It takes 2 to tango as they say and once we’d let them score first, it was always going to be a struggle.

These dreadful tactics employed by a few teams away from home are killing the game as a spectacle. Trouble is, we do find it difficult to overcome it.

[BillyStubbsTears]

I don’t normally get involved with the stoppage time debate, as all teams waste time (including Rovers) and there should normally be plenty of time to win a match in normal time.   

Wimbledon today took time wasting to a different level, initially in the first half and then excelled themselves in the second half. 

The ‘head bandage’ episode took four minutes and should not have been allowed by the referee, who should have insisted that the player left the pitch for that type of treatment, following what wasn’t even given as a free kick. 

Then we had the keeper feigning injury which was similar to the Newport keeper last season and this stoppage lasted two minutes.

Those two stoppages totalled six minutes, so we had only one additional minute added by the referee for the red card incident, many substitutions, general time wasting etc etc.

I don’t advocate a return to the ridiculously long stoppage times of last season or a stop/start timing system as in some other sports….. but surely today the referee must have timed these two incidents and also seen the tactics employed by our opponents to break up any rhythm that we had created by these unnecessary stoppages and added a proper amount of time to the second half.   

Whether we would have won the match is debatable as Wimbledon towards the end we’re actually carrying more of a threat and it could easily have gone either way. 

This.

The stoppage time assessment by the ref was simply ridiculous.

Fortunately, it might have saved us a point...

[i_ateallthepies]

Agree .... It is a total joke now and calling physios on would help but who would bet on them NOT getting in the way of an opposition move ?

And yes the Keeper still would hold the "get out of jail card" . Like Wimbledon on Saturday , he falls to floor presumably bitten by a Gnat and the game has to stop.

The way to stop most of it dead is a fixed time Clock. Keeper goes down or Player goes down , Clock stops

An end to waiting for the Keeper ( any Keeper ) taking forever to take a Goal Kick using an entire repertoire to make sure he takes at least 30 plus seconds each kick. Their GK actually missed a ball ROLLED to him by Ball boy on Saturday

Again all that gone in the blink of an eye ,  so Clock stops & Keeper could start his run up at Cheswold and wouldn't cost 1 second of game play

AND unlike Saturday when there was time wasting in the extreme we wouldn't be roaring in disbelief at the ridiculous 3 minutes Hair ( brain ) added on , because the time keeping would be much more accurate and there would be NO added time any more

Think of the hundreds of ways Teams are running down the Clock in every game and most disappear immediately

However there would still be time wasted or game management because every angle will be looked at in today's professional game

I can think of some that wouldn't be stopped and exist already

Taking the ball to the Corner Flag would still be a weapon

Keepers catching a ball and throwing themselves to the Ground

I had thought of a third one but can't recall it at the moment but feel free to add your own
 and I'm sure people can add a few to this list

I agree with all of this Wolfie but what the clock wouldn't stop is the feigned injury to break momentum when a team is on top.  I like the suggestion of EFD in post #26 that any player going down injured is taken off for the 30 seconds and I would include Keepers in that OTHER THAN when a keeper is obviously injured which can only happen in some kind of goalmouth action, unlike what is happening now with the tactical stoppage.
I would also change the rule to prevent a player injured in an incident in which his injury was caused by a player carded for the challenge.

[Donnywolf]

Agree but at the moment a feigned injury not only disrupts the opposition ( who may be battering them to death ) but also uses up valuable time which most Referees as we know do not add back.

The 30 minute stop Clock would fix that part

At least having a fixed Clock would eradicate that and make it less frustrating for Fans ( of any team)

[drfchound]

Agree but at the moment a feigned injury not only disrupts the opposition ( who may be battering them to death ) but also uses up valuable time which most Referees as we know do not add back.

The 30 minute stop Clock would fix that part

At least having a fixed Clock would eradicate that and make it less frustrating for Fans ( of any team)

The fixed clock would have to be shown to the fans in the stadium of course so we knew how much time was left to play.

[danumdon]

Agree but at the moment a feigned injury not only disrupts the opposition ( who may be battering them to death ) but also uses up valuable time which most Referees as we know do not add back.

The 30 minute stop Clock would fix that part

At least having a fixed Clock would eradicate that and make it less frustrating for Fans ( of any team)

The fixed clock would have to be shown to the fans in the stadium of course so we knew how much time was left to play.

Works seamlessly in Rugby (both codes) i just cant see any reason why they wont consider this, including the physio coming on during normal play.

They could learn plenty from Rugby, the way they deal with foul play is far more robust and consistent, how many times have we seen yellows and reds handed out in a dubious manner, send them off, let the 4th official decide if its for 10 min, 20mins or the rest of the game.

I'd also allow only the captain to talk to the ref, they way players now hound and intimidate weak and rubbish refs is a scandal. Some sort of respect brought ack into the game may reduce some of the sh*thousery we have top put up with.

[scawsby steve]

When are refs going to do something about the ridiculous thing that all keepers now do, including ours, of taking the ball cleanly, then throwing themselves on the floor, and staying there while all the defenders go up and tap him on the head in congratulations.

Yes, there are times when a keeper takes a high ball, and loses his balance upon his feet touching the ground, but surely the ref can tell the difference.

When there's just a couple of minutes left, keepers do this all the time, and it really eats up the seconds.

[i_ateallthepies]

Agree but at the moment a feigned injury not only disrupts the opposition ( who may be battering them to death ) but also uses up valuable time which most Referees as we know do not add back.

The 30 minute stop Clock would fix that part

At least having a fixed Clock would eradicate that and make it less frustrating for Fans ( of any team)

Agreed

[Donnywolf]

When are refs going to do something about the ridiculous thing that all keepers now do, including ours, of taking the ball cleanly, then throwing themselves on the floor, and staying there while all the defenders go up and tap him on the head in congratulations.

Yes, there are times when a keeper takes a high ball, and loses his balance upon his feet touching the ground, but surely the ref can tell the difference.

When there's just a couple of minutes left, keepers do this all the time, and it really eats up the seconds.

Yes SS , it's totally annoying and they look so stupid especially when one of their Centre Backs cushion a header back to them and they do it EVEN if the ball has bounced three times

I said to my Seat Buddy on Saturday when their bloke did it in first half aaaaaaaarrrrrrgggghhhh ffs .... there is NOTHING winds me up as much as that

Just as I finished the sentence their left back did something he thought " noteworthy" and turned to the fans behind him and " gestured " to them to roar more

I ROARED straight away and said . I was wrong .... that winds me up MUCH more

[Thorney]

When are refs going to do something about the ridiculous thing that all keepers now do, including ours, of taking the ball cleanly, then throwing themselves on the floor, and staying there while all the defenders go up and tap him on the head in congratulations.

Yes, there are times when a keeper takes a high ball, and loses his balance upon his feet touching the ground, but surely the ref can tell the difference.

When there's just a couple of minutes left, keepers do this all the time, and it really eats up the seconds.

TSL is the best ive seen at doing the catch and drop to the floor this season.
Definitly something they must coach into them at the PL teams

[BobG]

Neil Sullivan was a master of the art too....

BobG

[In the box]

.., true we didn't play our best but our performance was eclipsed by the antics of the opposition in particular their time wasting


Once again I and most others paid good money to watch a game of Football BUT what did we get ? I got about 40 minutes in total watching and waiting for their Goalkeeper to put the ball back in play


Every single time * he took much more than 30 seconds for every Goal Kick , or Free kick with a single attempt by Hair ( the supposed Ref ) to speed him up.


At one point I said to my Seat Buddy , he's tried every trick to waste time time but as yet he hasn't done the " missing the ball when it's rolled to him by the Ball boy routine " And the very next Goal kick he did it.


Probably a professional GK on maybe 1500 quid a week should stop a ball rolled to him , but NO he managed to miss it


Then we had the throw in fiascos. Right back takes one in first half from NW corner given right by the flag , he creeps knowing exactly what he wants and as he takes it Hair brain blows the whistle and sends him back where he then starts again wasting a second lot of time


Then , how many times do we see throw ins " not going in play " . Maybe once a Season , yet today they managed 2 in one game


Then the three man move on East side . First man crawls to ball and picks it up YOU KNOW he will not be taking it. He passed it to man 2 who takes ages faking to throw it in BUT WAIT up from left centre back comes man 3. Man 2 drops the ball and Hair brain gives
him a Yellow




Speaking of Hair brain . The sending off and the injury to the Keeper who I think must have been bitten by a Lakeside Gnat in the time it took to send their bloke off , was timed at 3 minutes .


Add to that the Goal Kicks , the Goal , and at least 2 of the Thrown ins I mentioned above and general time wasting. I mean at one point in first half he was even tapping his watch as Senior took an age to throw ball in


So what did he add on ? EXACTLY  3 minutes. Absolute howls from the Rovers supporters as 6 would have been justified but 3 it was . How long did he add for time wasted in those 3 minutes ?


Exactly 2 seconds as he blew his whistle on 48 minutes and 2 seconds.

Wimbledon had a game plan and it nearly worked , they had a need for points and it showed .
Their players were up for fight and brought to us , we on the other hand just seem to wind up our play over the 90 and in recent games relying on subs to do in 10-15 mins what most treats don in 90.
This failure to play more positivity as the home team is costing us an automatic place , our away form was until recently was better than our home form and confidence was a lot better in performances.
Now we’ve lost Sharp for three games only adds to the lack of tactical decisions and surely puts pressure on the team to try and get a grip earlier in the game . Ironside needs to find form
NOW!!

[Albert Trousers]

I thought that when their keeper went down it was a great piece of tactical play from their staff, they obviously used the time to change things as we were well on top & after the stoppage they took a hold of the game & looked more dangerous, I sometimes wish we could be as tactically astute & shithouse a bit more.

We all recognise that's what it was, the question is, is that what we want to watch? Or a game of football without so much moral cheating, or shithousery as it's labelled?

Remember Bradford, opening day a couple of year ago, we celebrated a 0-0 draw like a victory, using tactics we very rarely use, I loved that day even though the game was shit.

[danumdon]

.., true we didn't play our best but our performance was eclipsed by the antics of the opposition in particular their time wasting


Once again I and most others paid good money to watch a game of Football BUT what did we get ? I got about 40 minutes in total watching and waiting for their Goalkeeper to put the ball back in play


Every single time * he took much more than 30 seconds for every Goal Kick , or Free kick with a single attempt by Hair ( the supposed Ref ) to speed him up.


At one point I said to my Seat Buddy , he's tried every trick to waste time time but as yet he hasn't done the " missing the ball when it's rolled to him by the Ball boy routine " And the very next Goal kick he did it.


Probably a professional GK on maybe 1500 quid a week should stop a ball rolled to him , but NO he managed to miss it


Then we had the throw in fiascos. Right back takes one in first half from NW corner given right by the flag , he creeps knowing exactly what he wants and as he takes it Hair brain blows the whistle and sends him back where he then starts again wasting a second lot of time


Then , how many times do we see throw ins " not going in play " . Maybe once a Season , yet today they managed 2 in one game


Then the three man move on East side . First man crawls to ball and picks it up YOU KNOW he will not be taking it. He passed it to man 2 who takes ages faking to throw it in BUT WAIT up from left centre back comes man 3. Man 2 drops the ball and Hair brain gives
him a Yellow




Speaking of Hair brain . The sending off and the injury to the Keeper who I think must have been bitten by a Lakeside Gnat in the time it took to send their bloke off , was timed at 3 minutes .


Add to that the Goal Kicks , the Goal , and at least 2 of the Thrown ins I mentioned above and general time wasting. I mean at one point in first half he was even tapping his watch as Senior took an age to throw ball in


So what did he add on ? EXACTLY  3 minutes. Absolute howls from the Rovers supporters as 6 would have been justified but 3 it was . How long did he add for time wasted in those 3 minutes ?


Exactly 2 seconds as he blew his whistle on 48 minutes and 2 seconds.

Wimbledon had a game plan and it nearly worked , they had a need for points and it showed .
Their players were up for fight and brought to us , we on the other hand just seem to wind up our play over the 90 and in recent games relying on subs to do in 10-15 mins what most treats don in 90.
This failure to play more positivity as the home team is costing us an automatic place , our away form was until recently was better than our home form and confidence was a lot better in performances.
Now we’ve lost Sharp for three games only adds to the lack of tactical decisions and surely puts pressure on the team to try and get a grip earlier in the game . Ironside needs to find form
NOW!!

I just knew before a ball was kicked that the "spectacle" we got was going to be exactly the same as we received when we played them at their place.

I remember that match for that kison of the highest grade, Lewis carrying out the exact same tactics of holding, pushing and obstructing every player he went near and at the same time giving the ref full chapter a verse about what he thought the ref should be doing. At the same time that other "fu*king animal" Bugiel spent the whole game trying to mount every player who he went near. Its obviously something they do all the time, why they get away with it is largely attributed to the absolute dross we have officiating games in this league.

I'm hoping they get to Wembley in the playoffs and get schooled by someone who can play football but also deal with their shite tactics. I want to see Lewis and Bugiel crying like little bairns.

[Alan Southstand]

I'm hoping they get to Wembley in the playoffs and get schooled by someone who can play football but also deal with their shite tactics. I want to see Lewis and Bugiel crying like little bairns.

That ‘someone’ could well be us, Danum!