Faulkner??

[NickDRFC]

It’s tough for players like Faulkner, showed huge promise, Agents in their ear, wants to breakthrough, a choice maybe of more money v staying with a revived club and developing ala McGrath.
Reminds me very much of Andy Watson, although he had broken through into the first team, clearly he was advised badly and was rarely seen again after being touted as the next Ryan Giggs. Bobby beware!

Andy Watson wasn’t only getting the hype from his agent; I believe that JR touted him as “our first million pound player”.

Don’t think he was ever destined to play much higher though - he had some talent but he was absolutely nesh.

[selby]

  Watson was a very good player for us until Teale the ex villa central defender at Southport broke his leg in an awful from behind tackle in the penalty area,
  Watson went down and the referee sent him off for simulation or booked him while he laid on the ground, and never gave the penalty.
  He was carried off on a stretcher and never the same player again.
  A nice great lad carried on playing non league and worked at one point as a roofer.
 

[idler]

When Rovers signed him I think that he insisted on working a weeks notice as a roofer not wanting to let them down.
I worked with a lad that knew him at Garforth and met Andy when we played that friendly at Garforth. He told us that he had been injured and played a round of golf so rightly got a telling off from the Rovers. That attitude maybe explains some of his other decisions.

[CottyRover]

Going by an aarticle in the DFP  seems like Bobby is still to make his decision. Seems to me that the longer this goes on, the less likely it is that he will sign

[Drover]

What happens if he don't sign? and nobody wants to pay us a small fee to sign him? Am I right in thinking,If he don't sign he cannot play for anyone professionally until he reaches a certain age or what ?

[CottyRover]

That's a good question

[jmt23]

It says to me that he/his agent are looking for a club that are willing to take a chance and pay the fee - whatever this fee is? What is the size of the fee DRFC are entitled to, does anyone know?

[Metalmicky]

It says to me that he/his agent are looking for a club that are willing to take a chance and pay the fee - whatever this fee is? What is the size of the fee DRFC are entitled to, does anyone know?

Think it would be decided by tribunal..... and that may be the hitch.

[DonnyBazR0ver]

I would imagine any conpensatuon determined by the tribunal would be nominal given he's not been part of the fi4st team squad. 

[Metalmicky]

I would imagine any conpensatuon determined by the tribunal would be nominal given he's not been part of the fi4st team squad. 

Quite possibly - but would a Conference or League Two club take that chance..... what if the tribunal decided on a figure of £25-50k? - would that prove good business for a inexperienced defender.?   

[Draytonian III]

Is it possible that his agent is not working for the players interest but his own, trying to squeeze every last penny on a quick fix/ shorter contract. Any know which agency he is with ?

[albie]

He is with General Sports, according to this;
https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/bobby-faulkner/profil/spieler/876779

Click on General sports for their client list....Tom Anderson also with them!

[Armthorpe mickler]

Remember Andy Watson being billed as the best roofer in Garforth.

[Upton Rover]

Agents are ruining some footballer’s careers

[Nudga]

Amazes me how they can't do their own negotiations.

Just sit down in the office face to face and thrash a deal out, or walk away.

[Thorney]

Amazes me how they can't do their own negotiations.

Just sit down in the office face to face and thrash a deal out, or walk away.

I feel the same.
Why do you need an agent to discuss contracts with your current employer.

Like any other profession. We walk into the office and discuss your contracts terms and conditions.

You tell them why you think you deserve a pay rise and they tell you to f**k off and like it or lump it.
You then accept or go find another employer

[danumdon]

The naivety here is breath-taking.

Faulkner as a young 20 year old will have very limited or zero understanding of what is or is not a good deal, why would we expect anything else. Its all well a good saying why doesn't he just sit down face to face with his employer and thrash out a deal or discuss terms and conditions of a contract, when i was that age i didn't have a clue what was or was not the going rate for a young lad. Attempting to do it himself is feasible by all means but you can guarantee that the HR manager sat opposite along with whoever else wants to be there will have far more knowledge and understanding of contracts, terms and conditions, ect, it is after all their area of expertise. Someone going in there on their own could end up signing just about anything, always best to have someone who's on your side, be it someone with experience or even an agent.

After all many on here are quite happy to have a union negotiate pay and conditions for them in their work, why would a footballer be any different?

For the record i'd like Faulkner to get the best deal he can get here and stay and develop with us, he could quite easily leave in a few years as a saleable asset.

[Nudga]

I disagree totally there, when I was 19 I was a mechanic and I went for a job at Renault garage.
I got myself a wage that was better than some of the more experienced blokes in there.
I was a shit mechanic too, but I knew what some people were earning so I bullshitted the whole interview and got the wage I wanted.

[danumdon]

I disagree totally there, when I was 19 I was a mechanic and I went for a job at Renault garage.
I got myself a wage that was better than some of the more experienced blokes in there.
I was a shit mechanic too, but I knew what some people were earning so I bullshitted the whole interview and got the wage I wanted.

So you assume every 19year old should be up to achieving something similar to what you did?

I've intervened and offered terms and conditions to people who tend to be a bit older than this, around 21 plus, i can tell you the vast majority don't know their arse from their elbow when it comes to knowing what's the best deal available to them, as a rule they tend to accept just about the lowest deal you can realistically give them.

Human nature being what it is.

[Lazar]

Obvious parallels between negotiating a job at a car garage in 1973 and a footballer in 2025. Bobby sure could learn a thing or two

[Nudga]

I wasn't even born then clever clogs.

It's not like he's Christiano Muhammad "I'm hard" Bruce Lee Ronaldo is it, negotiating shirt sales percentages. Image rights etc.


Oh, if you want something a bit more upto date then my 19 year old son who is slightly on the spectrum, deals with and negotiates with promoters and music venues to get the best outcome for him and the bands he is in, and he does this on a weekly basis.
He doesn't need an agent.

[Sammy Chung was King]

I don’t think he has done enough in the game for us to get a decent fee from a tribunal, it will be a pittance. I’m not convinced he has a trail of clubs after him either. The clubs likely to be interested will be conference level and even a small fee could stop the deal.

I think he has potential, but only he will know if the manager has shown him if he rates him. Has he been loaned out with a plan to eventually him playing in the first team or is he not rated?
It’s a short career he must look after himself. Don’t rush into a decision you might regret Bobby, make sure you are sure.

[Ryaldinhio]

Personally feel like the way GM has gone in on this publicly means he has gone in with a low offer amd trying to bully Bobby to sign, not for him to play for Donny but to secure a fee.

For me any fee decided would be minimal based on the criteria and level we were at when he played his games in first team.

I think we should be offering him a deal and bringing him into first team SQUAD.

Let's not forget last two seasons he came back to preseason as the most fit player.......therefore the most professional out of ALL our favourite players who enjoyed their holidays.

The boy is WAP as they say.

Be dissapointed if we lose him

[Metalmicky]

The naivety here is breath-taking.

Faulkner as a young 20 year old will have very limited or zero understanding of what is or is not a good deal, why would we expect anything else. Its all well a good saying why doesn't he just sit down face to face with his employer and thrash out a deal or discuss terms and conditions of a contract, when i was that age i didn't have a clue what was or was not the going rate for a young lad. Attempting to do it himself is feasible by all means but you can guarantee that the HR manager sat opposite along with whoever else wants to be there will have far more knowledge and understanding of contracts, terms and conditions, ect, it is after all their area of expertise. Someone going in there on their own could end up signing just about anything, always best to have someone who's on your side, be it someone with experience or even an agent.

After all many on here are quite happy to have a union negotiate pay and conditions for them in their work, why would a footballer be any different?

For the record i'd like Faulkner to get the best deal he can get here and stay and develop with us, he could quite easily leave in a few years as a saleable asset.

Too much personal detail there...

[KingKendrick]

Personally feel like the way GM has gone in on this publicly means he has gone in with a low offer amd trying to bully Bobby to sign, not for him to play for Donny but to secure a fee.

For me any fee decided would be minimal based on the criteria and level we were at when he played his games in first team.

I think we should be offering him a deal and bringing him into first team SQUAD.

Let's not forget last two seasons he came back to preseason as the most fit player.......therefore the most professional out of ALL our favourite players who enjoyed their holidays.

The boy is WAP as they say.

Be dissapointed if we lose him

If I was at the club for sure his base salary wouldn’t be offered high due to the fact he hasn’t played a lot or any experience at this level. £750pw max imo. Incentives on appearances/clean sheets etc.

[Metalmicky]

If I was at the club for sure his base salary wouldn’t be offered high due to the fact he hasn’t played a lot or any experience at this level. £750pw max imo. Incentives on appearances/clean sheets etc.

I agree - I'm sure there will be incentives that will pump up his salary.....performance and appearance related bonuses are relatively normal.

[jmt23]

Ooff, a young inexperienced squad player yet to have any real first team experience £750 a week.
I know football is often set aside as different to normal business, but how much do apprentice brickies, plaster, plumbers earn (left sparkles out of this, they only wipe their arse with £20notes)

Just seems a lot to me, for his age , but most of all his current experience.

[Filo]

Ooff, a young inexperienced squad player yet to have any real first team experience £750 a week.
I know football is often set aside as different to normal business, but how much do apprentice brickies, plaster, plumbers earn (left sparkles out of this, they only wipe their arse with £20notes)

Just seems a lot to me, for his age , but most of all his current experience.

Well my first apprentice wage was £25.50 a week, that was back in 1979 mind

[selby]

 KingKendrick knows the system.

[rover-n-out]

Always remember my first weeks wage slip when I started at the Edenthorpe Co-Op store in 1963 was £3/0/3d. Blimey, yer can't buy a pint for that today!