TSL

[DearneValleyRover]

Rumoured to be going to Bolton

[Drover]

https://www.drfc-vsc.co.uk/index.php?topic=294336.0

[ForsolongaRover]

Rumoured to be going to Bolton

If you refer to the existing thread this story was around some time ago

[CottyRover]

In any case, why go to Bolton when he could spend the coming  season in a higher league with a club that has worked well for him. Of course his club and his agent have a lot to do with this

[IDM]

Surely it’s better for a keeper to be on loan, in the appropriate league, at a club where he will be tested more, over the whole season rather than individual matches?

[5minstogo]

Different experiences and styles of play as well. Chelsea may want to see how he performs in a differing environment.

[RoversInSpain]

Really good point….Very different environment, Bolton get around 20,000 per home game, bigger club, more pressure to do well. Would be another test that Chelsea would want to see how he reacts. I would think they’d suggest he would be in his comfort zone coming back thus his development is a bit too cushy.

[steve@dcfd]

Or it could be down to loan fee we are in league 1 now.

[graingrover]

It is many years now since footballers were freed from slavedom thanks to a hitherto unknown Belgian footballer called Bosman .If TSL were to tell Chelsea he prefers DRFC to Bolton would they have the moral and contractual right to deny him that? .

[Frankie Rennie]

I think if the lads got ambitions, which I’m sure he has, he’d want to play at the highest level available. He must have gained from being in a promotion team last season and being realistic I would think there’s more chance of following that with another promotion at Bolton than returning to Donny. Of course he may end up going to neither and hooking a Championship club but nothing will be confirmed until the window physically opens at the earliest.

[ForsolongaRover]

You sound like a Wanderers fan Frankie, so you will know that when the Bolton connection talk began, their manager said that he wanted TSL so that there would be competition for their existing No.1. So he would effectively be waiting for the first choice man to lose form. He went to Bromley (in the NL at the time) on that basis and their No.1 had a really good season so TSL hardly had any starts.

Can you explain why playing in goal against League 1 teams regularly for us is inferior to doing the same for Wanderers?

It’s experience he wants and promotion is a bonus.

[keyser_soze]

Who knows how this will work out, but surely the guarantee he will be first choice here (barring injury, poor form etc) and he is going up a league puts us in a great position. I dare say he will have more shots from better players to deal with next season if he comes here. We must be favourites if they want him going to League One.

I think the only way we don’t get him is if they want him at a Championship club. He could easily spend a season on the bench there though.

[CheeseToastie]

Has anybody considered maybe Grant has found a different keeper he wants to bring in? 

[DearneValleyRover]

Has anyone thought Bolton are signing him permanently rather than on loan? I can’t see any loans being considered before the Prem Clubs go back into training and start deciding who does and doesn’t make their squads

[ForsolongaRover]

Has anyone thought Bolton are signing him permanently rather than on loan? I can’t see any loans being considered before the Prem Clubs go back into training and start deciding who does and doesn’t make their squads

I think the article was in Football League World and was in relation to a loan. Speculation on the terms of his Chelsea contract suggests that financially it would be difficult for even a wealthy L1 club to match what he gets there. And you would imagine that even if they had a lot of spare cash they would have other spending priorities beyond a back-up goalkeeper.

[Danmckay456]

Has Grant ever got a loan player back for a 2nd spell ??

[Usher wide.]

Has Grant ever got a loan player back for a 2nd spell ??

Wow yes.

That’s an interesting point.

Certainly got me thinking.

[DonnyBazR0ver]

At the end of the day, Chelsea will decide his destination. GM won't get into a bidding war over a loan fee and have to wait for the outcome. He won't hang around identifying and pursuing a new no 1.

[Monkcaster_Rover]

He’s been called up the U21s camp ahead of the euros this summer. Squads due to get trimmed down and there’s 4 keepers at the moment. I imagine they’ll take 3 so he stands a good chance of going!

[Frankie Rennie]

You sound like a Wanderers fan Frankie, so you will know that when the Bolton connection talk began, their manager said that he wanted TSL so that there would be competition for their existing No.1. So he would effectively be waiting for the first choice man to lose form. He went to Bromley (in the NL at the time) on that basis and their No.1 had a really good season so TSL hardly had any starts.

Can you explain why playing in goal against League 1 teams regularly for us is inferior to doing the same for Wanderers?

It’s experience he wants and promotion is a bonus.

I think the competition thing may be somewhat of a red herring Rover in that Schumacher wasn’t confident with either of his two keepers and if Bolton seriously want promotion a stronger keeper is needed. Baxter has gone and it wouldn’t surprise me if Southwood went too if we did sign a new No1 as I don’t suspect he’ll want to drop to the No2 position again and we do have a young back up keeper in Hutchinson if that’s so.

You’re right about it being no different playing L1 teams for either of us but I suspect for TSL playing in front of 20k plus crowds every week and full away followings and potentially a better chance of another promotion might be preferable. Of course everything is pure speculation at this point and he may sign for yourselves or neither of us and I know we have other targets as well, as I’m sure you have. It’s an exciting time of the year as we wait to see who comes in and who leaves for both of us and I’m sure there will be surprises. Anyway I’m glad you’re back in L1 because it’s virtually a “home” game for me from Barnsley and after your disappointment last season it was good to see you crack it this time, Champions as well.

[jmt23]

Are Bolton a team going forward or backwards, looks like they went backwards last season to mid table.
Not doubting your history Frankie, but if I was Grant and had TSL saying it’s you or us, I would be selling you as a club drifting into mediocrity and us on the crest of a wave, at a place and dressing room you know.

[steve@dcfd]

There will be 4 keepers at the U21 training camp
Beadle Brighton(Sheff Wed)
TSL Chelsea(Doncaster)
Goodman Crystal Palace(Wimbledon)
 Siskin Stoke City (Walsall)
They will be trimmed before the Euros decision will be made on or before the 6th June
If selected fore EUROs then at least 3 weeks of June they will be involved with the squad
Meaning If TSL is selected he won’t be available to any team until mid July depending on his holiday situation

[Frankie Rennie]

Are Bolton a team going forward or backwards, looks like they went backwards last season to mid table.
Not doubting your history Frankie, but if I was Grant and had TSL saying it’s you or us, I would be selling you as a club drifting into mediocrity and us on the crest of a wave, at a place and dressing room you know.

Good point 23 and you could be right it was our lowest position for 4 years last season but I’d put it entirely down to Evatt after our Wembley shambles and the negativity he engendered. Add in the weak, soft players he wasted big money on and it’s not really a surprise we struggled. We do have some quality players but not one who has an ounce of fight in them. No experience, no backbone and that’s what you need to get out of league 1 not sideways, backwards tippy tappy. Schumacher sees this and will most certainly bring in the 4 or 5 older and more experienced leader type players we’re lacking so yes last season was bad but next season I’ve no doubt we’ll be up challenging for not just top six but the automatic places. I’m sure that’s what Schu will be selling to all the potential recruits.

[jmt23]

I think you will be ok Frankie, and I’m only joking with you. I hope we will be up there too, but after a few years of rubbish, it’s hard to assess where we will be and what the quality difference in the leagues is.

[Frankie Rennie]

I’m hoping we both will but possibly with different expectations? How do you see yourselves doing, would stabilising be your aim or do you think you can aim higher than that? I know they’re probably financially stronger than Donny but Wrexham and Stockport showed what can be done and even Mansfield didn’t do too badly. Can you keep hold of your better players and what do you think you need to add to make you stronger. I think there are some very average sides in L1 so there’s no reason why if you can’t keep most of your squad in tact you can’t have a good season.

[Alan Southstand]

For me, it depends on GM’s summer recruitment. He didn’t do much wrong last season, but L1 is different gravy. If he gets 80% of his targets, I’d think we’ll be ok.

Priorities at the moment is cb’s, then striker and a No1 keeper.

[Chris Black come back]

The minimum is a keeper, two senior centre backs, right winger and striker. Suspect the keeper might be a loan but the centre backs and potentially striker more likely to be permanent. Still not sure that both Westbrooke and Close will both be in the squad come August. We’ve got a lot of midfielders on the books.

[ncRover]

TSL v TLT. Both good keepers just different players.

https://www.drfc-vsc.co.uk/index.php?topic=294153.msg1390866#msg1390866

[DonnyOsmond]

TSL v TLT. Both good keepers just different players.

https://www.drfc-vsc.co.uk/index.php?topic=294153.msg1390866#msg1390866

Yep. Thing is though, last season we had one of the best defences in the league, the keeper faced the second least amount of shots on target in the league and in my opinion having gone up a division we can probably assume we'll face more shots against us, so we could do with someone where shot stopping is slightly better.

[Lesonthewest]

You sound like a Wanderers fan Frankie, so you will know that when the Bolton connection talk began, their manager said that he wanted TSL so that there would be competition for their existing No.1. So he would effectively be waiting for the first choice man to lose form. He went to Bromley (in the NL at the time) on that basis and their No.1 had a really good season so TSL hardly had any starts.

Can you explain why playing in goal against League 1 teams regularly for us is inferior to doing the same for Wanderers?

It’s experience he wants and promotion is a bonus.

There is no reason why he can't have another good season with us as opposed to   some team over the hill.