Risk signing

[Ryaldinhio]

Why does everyone continually talk of us taking a risk with almost every signing?

We are bottom end of league budget we HAVE to take a risk?!

We can't sign a Jay Stansfield. So we have to look at best potential and value and trust the management team to get the best out of them for this season and for the overall asset value of the player for the club.

I'm sure if we signed Salah tomorrow there would be a 50/50 split because he is old.

Get a grip will you!!!!!

Bring on the 2nd August, the first time we will.see the new team in a competitive game against a L1 opponent and can make a judgement.

Reminder of recent-ish risks IMO
Moly
Bailey
Adelekun
Street
TLT
TSL
Senior

Some do work.

We have to take 'risks'

[GazLaz]

Are we bottom end L1 budget?

[steve@dcfd]

All signings have a risk. Look at Close and Westbrooke both around 28 now have really never shown consistent quality both injured to much and yet still contracted to the club. So whether we have younger players or mid twenties risk is there in football. Can’t say the statistics showed Rob Street would been the success as a striker.

[IDM]

I agree, all signings are a risk.

We could have taken - however we managed it - a player of renown from a higher division with good experience and in his prime.  Someone everyone was crying out to sign.

Then the bugger does his ACL in pre season and is out for 9 months - cue the “stealing a wage” posts on here.

Always a risk.

[GazLaz]

I agree, all signings are a risk.

We could have taken - however we managed it - a player of renown from a higher division with good experience and in his prime.  Someone everyone was crying out to sign.

Then the bugger does his ACL in pre season and is out for 9 months - cue the “stealing a wage” posts on here.

Always a risk.

Obviously there are hypothetical “risks” as mentioned but surely we are talking about the risk of players not being consistently good enough for the level we are playing at?

How do we quantify how good the signings we make are? “The gaffer thinks he’s good” isn’t a sustainable model by the way.

[NickDRFC]

I agree, all signings are a risk.

We could have taken - however we managed it - a player of renown from a higher division with good experience and in his prime.  Someone everyone was crying out to sign.

Then the bugger does his ACL in pre season and is out for 9 months - cue the “stealing a wage” posts on here.

Always a risk.

It’s a risk getting in the car and driving somewhere. But it’s less of a risk if I’m not drunk, not tired, observe the speed limit and wear a seatbelt. There are degrees of risk, different appetites and a balance to be struck. There’s a risk with a player like you’ve described that they’ll get a long term injury but there’s the same risk with any player, and there’s a further risk with an untried player that they won’t be good enough. You’d likely pay more for the tried and tested though so there’s a balance to be had.

Personally I don’t see the issue with people on here posing questions about any signing. It’s not as though anyone is saying “what a shit signing” or standing at the KM shouting “that’s a risky signing, Grant”. It would be pretty boring if the response to everything McCann or the club does was “awesome”. I don’t think “everyone” is “continually” doing it either - I’ve probably seen 2 or 3 about the latest centre half and a few others over the summer.

[ncRover]

Why would a young or peak-age player who has statistically proven themselves to be good for league one sign for a newly promoted league one club?

Agree with the post above too. The overwhelming reaction to our signings has been positive so a strange OP really.

[IDM]

Does anyone think our current management set up does not undertake significant research before signing a player.?

Of course, that helps minimise the risks, but also it’s a lot more thorough than the gaffer thinking he’s good..

[IDM]

Why would a young or peak-age player who has statistically proven themselves to be good for league one sign for a newly promoted league one club?

That wasn’t my point, which was we could sign someone who was the best available, then lose him to injury.

[ncRover]

Why would a young or peak-age player who has statistically proven themselves to be good for league one sign for a newly promoted league one club?

That wasn’t my point, which was we could sign someone who was the best available, then lose him to injury.

Sorry it wasn’t in reply to you. More so to make the general point that we’re aren’t in the position to make the perfect signing on paper at the moment.

For example Pearson is proven, but we’ve got him because he’s getting on.

[IDM]

Ok fair dos..

[Padge_DRFC]

Are we bottom end L1 budget?

More than likely bottom half considering the clubs in the league and their size and revenue v ours. I think for a club our size we're showing some real ambition this summer though

[selby]

  First and foremost we need players to suit the roles they are given in the team, we Cannot have another Schofield situation.
  So I expect the players that we have signed under Grant to have been watched and studied as to whether they will suit our system.
  Rome wasn't built in a day and I don't expect us to have it easy at the level we now play at, however, we are in a good place, putting together an ever younger squad that should not in theory have reached its ceiling individually or as a team, and could well carry on the recent trend to be much better in the second half of the season with the usual few new additions  in January.
  Personally I am hoping for mid table mediocrity at best  at this moment in time, and would be very happy with that, but would be ecstatic with anything better.

[sedwardsdrfc]

Biggest risk for us is we are still manager led in recruitment. We’ve sign players Grant knows and wants. That’s great as long as he has a good eye and is committed to the club.

We saw how it goes when the manager doesn’t have the same contacts or eye for players. That’s a risk for the club as a whole rather than the current 1st team.

[ncRover]

Are we bottom end L1 budget?

More than likely bottom half considering the clubs in the league and their size and revenue v ours. I think for a club our size we're showing some real ambition this summer though

I'd say we've most likely got a higher budget than Northampton, Burton, Exeter and Wimbledon. Any others its hard to say.
Rotherham recruited a lot last year and I hear they have a fair chunk of wages taken up by Clarke-Harris, so may not be in a position to spend much?

[Iberian Red]

It's not how big it is,it's how you use it.

[Chris Black come back]

Unlikely we are outspending AFC Wimbledon unless Terry does something significant. Rotherham had a wage bill of £13m for their final season in the Championship so even with hefty reduction in that to reflect League One they will be likely outspending us. Rest probably making up the numbers spending-wise with us.

[mpc123]

Go back to the conference days big striker signings all failed. It guarantees nothing.

We need to buy with opportunity and then see if we can fulfill it. Large percentage Mccann does, infact he is brilliant at it.

[jmt23]

The only issue I have and it’s not just about this “risk” it’s how a post or two changes the mindset of people or makes them believe it’s factual and from the clu, creating a negative where there isn’t one.

What do we ACTUALLY know about the clubs transfer policy, how they find the right players - and let’s be honest under Grant we have seen more good than bad.

People need to remind themselves that in the main, you/we know nothing about the running of the club.

[turnbull for england]

It's not how big it is,it's how you use it.

You can knock a little nail a long way with a big hammer

[Sammy Chung was King]

I think we will be really competitive in this league. Maybe it’s heart ruling the head but the manager doesn’t seem to make too many mistakes in the transfer market. A club like ours can’t afford to.

[selby]

  The players coming in have big boots to fill, its about what we have lost  which is two out of three with Bailey of our best defenders over last season and full backs who look good going forward but don't win the ball a lot.
  Also the main man up front in our run in who scored the goals was in his finishing school here, and will take some replacing with the pace he gave us in attack.
  Thats nearly a third of our best outfield players and a goalkeeper who played a big part in our successful run gone, and we are at a higher level.
 

[IDM]

What about the keeper who was part of that fantastic run at the end of the season before..  wonder what happened to him, eh.?

[Barmby Rover]

  The players coming in have big boots to fill, its about what we have lost  which is two out of three with Bailey of our best defenders over last season and full backs who look good going forward but don't win the ball a lot.
  Also the main man up front in our run in who scored the goals was in his finishing school here, and will take some replacing with the pace he gave us in attack.



  Thats nearly a third of our best outfield players and a goalkeeper who played a big part in our successful run gone, and we are at a higher level.
 

Shall we not bother turning up for a relegation season then? I am extremely pleased with the signings over the summer, despite losing 2 good centre halves our defence is looking stronger than last season with a mixture of young and older players, the striker we have for the season has scored for  PL club against European opposition, and the extra midfielders/wingers could have been playing European football this season if they stayed put. Poor substitutes for what left? I think you are being a little too pessimistic.

[selby]

  Only saying it as I see it Barnby and hope we do well the same as yourself.

[Upton Rover]

Biggest risk for us is we are still manager led in recruitment. We’ve sign players Grant knows and wants. That’s great as long as he has a good eye and is committed to the club.

We saw how it goes when the manager doesn’t have the same contacts or eye for players. That’s a risk for the club as a whole rather than the current 1st team.

how should we sign players then?u

[ForsolongaRover]

Unlikely we are outspending AFC Wimbledon unless Terry does something significant. Rotherham had a wage bill of £13m for their final season in the Championship so even with hefty reduction in that to reflect League One they will be likely outspending us. Rest probably making up the numbers spending-wise with us.

I know I've said this before, but irrespective of the financial arrangements, it is a perennial factor in talking about London clubs and to some extent commuter towns around London; they are attractive destinations for loanees from London clubs because players can go out on loan and don't have to uproot from their homes. Knowing how people get attached to London, if there is a choice for a young player between going into temporary accommodation and staying put, most will choose the latter. London also has a magnetism for provincial players too. And this gives Wimbledon, Orient and even Bromley an edge.

[drfcsteve]

Biggest risk for us is we are still manager led in recruitment. We’ve sign players Grant knows and wants. That’s great as long as he has a good eye and is committed to the club.

We saw how it goes when the manager doesn’t have the same contacts or eye for players. That’s a risk for the club as a whole rather than the current 1st team.

how should we sign players then?u

I think the case has been made before to have a system of recruitment that can function from one manager to the next, I thought that’s what Copps was doing before McCann came in?

Obviously the manager has their input but as we’ve seen before if McCann leaves we’re left with a squad of players that play McCann-ball and may be completely unsuited to whatever the next manager wants.

[rich1471]

Biggest risk for us is we are still manager led in recruitment. We’ve sign players Grant knows and wants. That’s great as long as he has a good eye and is committed to the club.

We saw how it goes when the manager doesn’t have the same contacts or eye for players. That’s a risk for the club as a whole rather than the current 1st team.

how should we sign players then?u

I think the case has been made before to have a system of recruitment that can function from one manager to the next, I thought that’s what Copps was doing before McCann came in?

Obviously the manager has their input but as we’ve seen before if McCann leaves we’re left with a squad of players that play McCann-ball and may be completely unsuited to whatever the next manager wants.

This is every team when 1 manager leaves and 1 comes in they always want different players to come in and play in a new style of play

[Usher wide.]

Unlikely we are outspending AFC Wimbledon unless Terry does something significant. Rotherham had a wage bill of £13m for their final season in the Championship so even with hefty reduction in that to reflect League One they will be likely outspending us. Rest probably making up the numbers spending-wise with us.

I know I've said this before, but irrespective of the financial arrangements, it is a perennial factor in talking about London clubs and to some extent commuter towns around London; they are attractive destinations for loanees from London clubs because players can go out on loan and don't have to uproot from their homes. Knowing how people get attached to London, if there is a choice for a young player between going into temporary accommodation and staying put, most will choose the latter. London also has a magnetism for provincial players too. And this gives Wimbledon, Orient and even Bromley an edge.

West Ham (we had Paddy Kelly from them)
Chelsea (TSL)
Spurs
Palace
Fulham
Brentford?

We have ‘local northern’ teams to draw on for loanees who are in the Premiership.

Man City
Man Utd (Ennis)
Leeds (that hurt when typing! But we had Crew last season & fingers crossed…)
Liverpool
Everton
Newcastle
Sunderland

So I think it kinda evens itself out if you recruit the ‘right’ loanee.