Risk signing

[selby]

 Upton Rover, sorry for the long time gap in answering your question.
  The club do use stats and computer information to identify prospective signings as far as I know, and also have scouts covering different areas of the country.
  A agree with the marrying of both systems giving as much information as possible to the manager and the talent identification team as possible, and I believe as far as I know we do what we can going down them roads, but at the end of the day the manager would have the final say when the information is presented to him as he takes the can if things go wrong.
   However I also think that players coming from top Premiership teams on loan have a distinct advantage of the clubs name, and are not always the best players  if coming directly from the sterile u21s league and no experience of men's football, and in many cases will take time to adapt.
  I read an article about the under 21s that have just won the Euro's and how lots have had time playing in the lower leagues to their and England's advantage, getting them used to competitive football.
   In short the best system to me is a combination of the two, an experienced talent scout, and a computer.

[selby]

  To add to my former post, the u19's for England in their Euro's were picked almost totally from Premiership teams and played in the academies that promote ball retention from me to you football'
  They were abysmal. and left the competition well beaten. It will be interesting their now football future and where they end up in the next few seasons, they need loans out into the EFL. its the best finishing school in the world, where a 26 year old snarling central defender with two hundred games behind him isn't going to take any shit.

[Alan Southstand]

No joined up thinking, obviously. The U21’s are streets ahead of any other England team/squad.

[sedwardsdrfc]

Biggest risk for us is we are still manager led in recruitment. We’ve sign players Grant knows and wants. That’s great as long as he has a good eye and is committed to the club.

We saw how it goes when the manager doesn’t have the same contacts or eye for players. That’s a risk for the club as a whole rather than the current 1st team.

how should we sign players then?u

I think the case has been made before to have a system of recruitment that can function from one manager to the next, I thought that’s what Copps was doing before McCann came in?

Obviously the manager has their input but as we’ve seen before if McCann leaves we’re left with a squad of players that play McCann-ball and may be completely unsuited to whatever the next manager wants.

This is every team when 1 manager leaves and 1 comes in they always want different players to come in and play in a new style of play

Think most of the smart clubs higher up the food chain, like Brighton & Brentford would disagree. The club will often be paying players wages long after the manager is gone. To just leave signings up to them is irresponsible.

I’m not have a dig at Grants signings by the way it’s just how most of the clubs who consistently do better than they should operate. It’s pretty much the norm in the top divisions.

[GazLaz]

Biggest risk for us is we are still manager led in recruitment. We’ve sign players Grant knows and wants. That’s great as long as he has a good eye and is committed to the club.

We saw how it goes when the manager doesn’t have the same contacts or eye for players. That’s a risk for the club as a whole rather than the current 1st team.

how should we sign players then?u

I think the case has been made before to have a system of recruitment that can function from one manager to the next, I thought that’s what Copps was doing before McCann came in?

Obviously the manager has their input but as we’ve seen before if McCann leaves we’re left with a squad of players that play McCann-ball and may be completely unsuited to whatever the next manager wants.

This is every team when 1 manager leaves and 1 comes in they always want different players to come in and play in a new style of play

Think most of the smart clubs higher up the food chain, like Brighton & Brentford would disagree. The club will often be paying players wages long after the manager is gone. To just leave signings up to them is irresponsible.

I’m not have a dig at Grants signings by the way it’s just how most of the clubs who consistently do better than they should operate. It’s pretty much the norm in the top divisions.

Think at Brentford that’s been amplified even more with the appointment of Keith Andrew’s. His responsibilities, when it comes to decision making, will be really minimal.

[sedwardsdrfc]

This idea the players must be signed to suit a manager. Much easier if a club doesn’t go from Sean Dyche to Big Ange every couple of years!