Nailed on penalty

[Usher wide.]

He’s far worse than a WUM!

Fancy getting so frustrated because Pancho has him seething as he ties him up in linguistic knots time after time that he’s left with nothing else to come back with except veiled threats like “I wish you were sitting next to me on Tuesday night”, then as he’s put to the sword & ‘shredded’ yet again he dredges up all the intellect he can muster & retorts with a “See you Tuesday”.!!

Pathetic.

Think the “see you next Tuesday” must have gone over your head!

A word of advice.

When you hit rock, stop digging.

[Monkcaster_Rover]

This pile on of Gaz is getting boring to read now. Pretty much every thread just because he has an opinion.

He’s asked a couple of times now for a sophisticated chat in person and every time your respective arses have fell out.

Either have a discussion in person and shake hands at the end of it or block him on here. Proper school yard stuff and I’m sure I’m not the only one bored of reading it.

[GazLaz]

This pile on of Gaz is getting boring to read now. Pretty much every thread just because he has an opinion.

He’s asked a couple of times now for a sophisticated chat in person and every time your respective arses have fell out.

Either have a discussion in person and shake hands at the end of it or block him on here. Proper school yard stuff and I’m sure I’m not the only one bored of reading it.

They are just keyboard warriors that have kept it going under different names over the years. Certainly beyond boring now. These two are elderly gentlemen as well by the way, I suppose you have to worry for their mental health.

[Ldr]

Not sure what reception you have had from others Gaz but I’m definitely happy to have a pre match point with you, as an analyst I’m interested in the data behind your views. Out of action the next few weeks from surgery but before the Stockport game?

[Monkcaster_Rover]

This pile on of Gaz is getting boring to read now. Pretty much every thread just because he has an opinion.

He’s asked a couple of times now for a sophisticated chat in person and every time your respective arses have fell out.

Either have a discussion in person and shake hands at the end of it or block him on here. Proper school yard stuff and I’m sure I’m not the only one bored of reading it.

They are just keyboard warriors that have kept it going under different names over the years. Certainly beyond boring now. These two are elderly gentlemen as well by the way, I suppose you have to worry for their mental health.

You’ve more patience than me. I for one enjoy reading your input and stats. Don’t agree with all of your views but I won’t start throwing vitriol your way.

[GazLaz]

Not sure what reception you have had from others Gaz but I’m definitely happy to have a pre match point with you, as an analyst I’m interested in the data behind your views. Out of action the next few weeks from surgery but before the Stockport game?

Absolutely. Give me a shout closer to the time, hope the recovery goes well.

[dknward2]

After grants comments about why he didn't attend the ref and manager meeting, not surprised we are on the wrong side of decisions again, feels like when ferige said they should be shot.

Can't see us getting a decision until after Xmas

[DearneValleyRover]

I don’t always agree with Gaz but he’s as entitled to his opinion as everyone else is

[BobG]

And he is better informed than pretty well all of us.

BobG

[Pancho Regan]

This pile on of Gaz is getting boring to read now. Pretty much every thread just because he has an opinion.

He’s asked a couple of times now for a sophisticated chat in person and every time your respective arses have fell out.

Either have a discussion in person and shake hands at the end of it or block him on here. Proper school yard stuff and I’m sure I’m not the only one bored of reading it.

They are just keyboard warriors that have kept it going under different names over the years. Certainly beyond boring now. These two are elderly gentlemen as well by the way, I suppose you have to worry for their mental health.

My mental health is fine thanks GazLaz, although I guess your questioning of it wasn’t meant in a positive way.
It’s a shame you have to resort to personal insults and innuendos like that, but when the argument is lost I suppose that’s your last resort.
I’m not exactly sure what a “keyboard warrior” is either, perhaps you can enlighten me?
You constantly post negative comments on here about the team, individual players, the coaching staff and the manager.
I’ve had you on ‘ignore’ for several months because I find your constant negativity draining.

But last night I happened to see your comment about Billy Sharp and I couldn’t let that go.
Basically, you were accusing him of being a serial cheat.
That, in my opinion, is a disgraceful accusation.

Your invitation to sit next to me at next Tuesday’s game for a “chat” is in my opinion a veiled threat.
But it really doesn’t bother me, because as I said in response, I’d rather sit in a bed of nettles for 90 minutes than sit next to a so-called supporter like you.

If you are desperate to meet in order to avail me of your superior football knowledge, I’m up for that.
I’d also like Monkcaster Rover to attend and I promise I’ll do my best not to let my “arse fall out” whatever that means.

[TheFunk]

I personally like reading Gazlaz's point of view he usually calls it right. To read him call someone a Kitson is very disappointing. Also McGoldrick spent more time on his arse than on his feet his comedy dive for a pen was horrific so puts his Billy shout to bed.

[Monkcaster_Rover]

This pile on of Gaz is getting boring to read now. Pretty much every thread just because he has an opinion.

He’s asked a couple of times now for a sophisticated chat in person and every time your respective arses have fell out.

Either have a discussion in person and shake hands at the end of it or block him on here. Proper school yard stuff and I’m sure I’m not the only one bored of reading it.

They are just keyboard warriors that have kept it going under different names over the years. Certainly beyond boring now. These two are elderly gentlemen as well by the way, I suppose you have to worry for their mental health.

My mental health is fine thanks GazLaz, although I guess your questioning of it wasn’t meant in a positive way.
It’s a shame you have to resort to personal insults and innuendos like that, but when the argument is lost I suppose that’s your last resort.
I’m not exactly sure what a “keyboard warrior” is either, perhaps you can enlighten me?
You constantly post negative comments on here about the team, individual players, the coaching staff and the manager.
I’ve had you on ‘ignore’ for several months because I find your constant negativity draining.

But last night I happened to see your comment about Billy Sharp and I couldn’t let that go.
Basically, you were accusing him of being a serial cheat.
That, in my opinion, is a disgraceful accusation.

Your invitation to sit next to me at next Tuesday’s game for a “chat” is in my opinion a veiled threat.
But it really doesn’t bother me, because as I said in response, I’d rather sit in a bed of nettles for 90 minutes than sit next to a so-called supporter like you.

If you are desperate to meet in order to avail me of your superior football knowledge, I’m up for that.
I’d also like Monkcaster Rover to attend and I promise I’ll do my best not to let my “arse fall out” whatever that means.

I rarely go the games these days due to work & other circumstances but I’ll try and make time in the future if you so desire. It’s hard for people’s true personalities to shine through on forums as tones can be hard to read.

Had a good chat with a Miller at work last night about ours and their respective trajectories which was had in good spirits which is rarely seen on social media etc these days. People far too quick to revert to abuse rather than having a good debate in person. Twitter and Facebook are absolutely ripe for it.

I hope Gaz and yourself can have a good, well balanced discussion on Tuesday and exchange views then shake hands and that be the end of the back and forth on here.

End of the day, we’re all Rovers fans and all want us to do well. Enough misery in the world as it is.

[Bentley Bullet]

Even if there were an infallible formula for success and every team strived for it, there would still be teams at the top, and teams at the bottom.

[hoolahoop]

True but we areg3tting to close to the bottom for my liking,
Incidentally I agree it was a penalty

[SydneyRover]

Penalty or yellow for Billy.

[redbrez]

Personally I think it was a penalty , I think the only slight doubt is the ball seems to be stuck under billys feet and not looking to likely to get a shot away , but the barnsley player has gone through the back/ side of billy irrelevant if he got a toe too the ball or not ,and it's hard to see if he did get a toe on the ball or not , so for me a its a penalty.
Like someone has said any where else on the pitch it's a foul.

[Bentley Bullet]

It looked like a tackle from behind, which is illegal in football and should result in a foul, usually a free kick, or penalty in this instance.

It is considered dangerous play, especially if it endangers the opponent, and should receive a yellow or red card.

A tackle must be made from the side or front and be a clean tackle, on the ball without impeding the player.

So, to summarise, even if the ref deemed it a side tackle, it most definitely wasn't a clean tackle because it impeded the player.

[drfchound]

Personally I think it was a penalty , I think the only slight doubt is the ball seems to be stuck under billys feet and not looking to likely to get a shot away , but the barnsley player has gone through the back/ side of billy irrelevant if he got a toe too the ball or not ,and it's hard to see if he did get a toe on the ball or not , so for me a its a penalty.
Like someone has said any where else on the pitch it's a foul.

The reason the ball was stuck under his feet is because as he was preparing to get the shot away the defender had two hands on Billy’s back and was in the process of pushing him over.
Had the push not happened Billy would have got the shot away and in all probability scored.
The defender took a chance and it paid off.

[jmt23]

From my view in the south stand and very close to the incident, I did think Billy went down very easily.
My personal view at the time was his shooting chance had gone, and he waited for the contact.

Having seen other views on playback, I have changed my mind, and also think the Barnsley players reaction told a story ( head in hands)  and as such think it should have been given.

We still had to score it though.

[donnievic]

Penalty or yellow for Billy.

he didn’t dive so no need for a yellow card,know most are saying stonewall penalty which for me wasn’t,yes could of been a pen but definitely not a stonewaller,I just wasn’t sure if he got a touch of the ball before legs got tangled

[selby]

donnievic,  the ball can be at the other end of the pitch. unlikely I know but if there is a foul  on a player in the other area to where the ball is it still is a penalty at that end.
  You don't have to have the ball to win a free kick for a foul anywhere on the pitch.

[donnievic]

donnievic,  the ball can be at the other end of the pitch. unlikely I know but if there is a foul  on a player in the other area to where the ball is it still is a penalty at that end.
  You don't have to have the ball to win a free kick for a foul anywhere on the pitch.

what are you on about???what has that got to do with what I wrote?

[Dagenham Rover]

Penalty or yellow for Billy.

he didn’t dive so no need for a yellow card,know most are saying stonewall penalty which for me wasn’t,yes could of been a pen but definitely not a stonewaller,I just wasn’t sure if he got a touch of the ball before legs got tangled

 

Stonewall!  the Barnsley chap scissored Billys leg there is a still photo about somewhere showing it. Watch it slowed down defenders hands pushing Billy before the scissor job  at the end the defender has clattered Billy through the back Penalty Full Stop. Now then we come to another slight issue was the reff evening things out for Billy's ermm  earlier  indiscretion and should it have been a red well Mr D left him on the pitch with a rollicking end of  not an acceptable excuse, Ive got the impression Mr Drysdale tells linos I will make the decision and you agree At the end Billy was on the pitch so penalty. Yes we should have took our chances but apart from the ref and linesman's incompetence we should have had a valuable  point   

[donnievic]

He doesn’t clatter through the back of him though does he,yes there is a little nudge in his back possible where Billy tries to get right in front of him so the defender goes straight I tin the back of him as Billy is stopping ready to shoot,my objective is the defender could of possibly put his leg there to play the ball before Billy goes to shoot,can’t tell what happens 1st but for me deffo no stonewaller,and if Bobby Faulkner had done that defending there would be more then one person saying great tackle.And by no means I’m saying it’s not a penalty either just had to tell when the ref gets one look especially from direvtly behind the play and also him not being a rovers fan.What I will say though it would no doubt get given for plenty of other home team.

[donnievic]

Penalty or yellow for Billy.

he didn’t dive so no need for a yellow card,know most are saying stonewall penalty which for me wasn’t,yes could of been a pen but definitely not a stonewaller,I just wasn’t sure if he got a touch of the ball before legs got tangled

 

Stonewall!  the Barnsley chap scissored Billys leg there is a still photo about somewhere showing it. Watch it slowed down defenders hands pushing Billy before the scissor job  at the end the defender has clattered Billy through the back Penalty Full Stop. Now then we come to another slight issue was the reff evening things out for Billy's ermm  earlier  indiscretion and should it have been a red well Mr D left him on the pitch with a rollicking end of  not an acceptable excuse, Ive got the impression Mr Drysdale tells linos I will make the decision and you agree At the end Billy was on the pitch so penalty. Yes we should have took our chances but apart from the ref and linesman's incompetence we should have had a valuable  point   

I never even seen the earlier incident with sharp unlike the one last season where he was rightly sent off,but the Barnsley players wasn’t happy and think the call came from the 4th official as the ref looked over when chatting in their headsets but I don’t think he saw the full incident either especially with not even a card shown unless he thought there wasn’t much in it at all apart from a talking too

[Spud]

Genuine question, are the rules different for fouls anywhere else on the pitch, than for those in the penalty area? A foul anywhere else where the player takes the man then the ball is punished.  In the box it seems you can do what you want as long as your toe end grazes the ball at some point, we see it in the prem via VAR all the time.

[BillyStubbsTears]

He doesn’t clatter through the back of him though does he,yes there is a little nudge in his back possible where Billy tries to get right in front of him so the defender goes straight I tin the back of him as Billy is stopping ready to shoot,my objective is the defender could of possibly put his leg there to play the ball before Billy goes to shoot,can’t tell what happens 1st but for me deffo no stonewaller,and if Bobby Faulkner had done that defending there would be more then one person saying great tackle.And by no means I’m saying it’s not a penalty either just had to tell when the ref gets one look especially from direvtly behind the play and also him not being a rovers fan.What I will say though it would no doubt get given for plenty of other home team.

It is never a "great tackle" if you challenge from behind and end up going through the player. Doesn't matter whether you make contact with the ball first. It is a dangerous challenge. Even more so when your challenge results in you scissoring the opponent's leg. At that point, you've lost control of the consequences. That's why that challenge would have been an automatic free kick anywhere else on the pitch.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Genuine question, are the rules different for fouls anywhere else on the pitch, than for those in the penalty area? A foul anywhere else where the player takes the man then the ball is punished.  In the box it seems you can do what you want as long as your toe end grazes the ball at some point, we see it in the prem via VAR all the time.

Someone suggested there are different rules when Molyneux was wiped out with a dangerous, late challenge after rushing a shot away a couple of three weeks ago.

If there ARE different rules, it's certainly something that I've never heard discussed openly by refs or the FA.

[donnievic]

He doesn’t clatter through the back of him though does he,yes there is a little nudge in his back possible where Billy tries to get right in front of him so the defender goes straight I tin the back of him as Billy is stopping ready to shoot,my objective is the defender could of possibly put his leg there to play the ball before Billy goes to shoot,can’t tell what happens 1st but for me deffo no stonewaller,and if Bobby Faulkner had done that defending there would be more then one person saying great tackle.And by no means I’m saying it’s not a penalty either just had to tell when the ref gets one look especially from direvtly behind the play and also him not being a rovers fan.What I will say though it would no doubt get given for plenty of other home team.

It is never a "great tackle" if you challenge from behind and end up going through the player. Doesn't matter whether you make contact with the ball first. It is a dangerous challenge. Even more so when your challenge results in you scissoring the opponent's leg. At that point, you've lost control of the consequences. That's why that challenge would have been an automatic free kick anywhere else on the pitch.

totally agree when your diving in but the defender didn’t dive in so wasn’t a dangerous tackle by any means and I would expect our defenders to do the same thing if they got the wrong side of the ball

[donnievic]

Genuine question, are the rules different for fouls anywhere else on the pitch, than for those in the penalty area? A foul anywhere else where the player takes the man then the ball is punished.  In the box it seems you can do what you want as long as your toe end grazes the ball at some point, we see it in the prem via VAR all the time.

Someone suggested there are different rules when Molyneux was wiped out with a dangerous, late challenge after rushing a shot away a couple of three weeks ago.

If there ARE different rules, it's certainly something that I've never heard discussed openly by refs or the FA.

technically no they are not differant but refs do tend give more softer fouls shall we say out side the box and agree it would no doubt of been given anywhere else on the pitch and even more so if it’s the defender being on the recieving end