Bailey and molyneux

[ForsolongaRover]

If I were advising Bailey and Moly and of course I’m clearly unqualified to do so, but I will nevertheless air my opinion, I’d see out this season with Rovers. If we went down, then would  be a sensible time to put careers ahead of club. Both players would be understandably disappointed at another season in L2 and they should have good performances this season to add to their career CVs.

I should think that even if we survive in L1 their agents may well be wanting them to consider their options because a push for promotion next season will require a considerable uplift in quality from where we  are now. We’ve been hugely dependent on both of them this season which only lays bare the weaknesses of the other members of the squad.

[Usher wide.]

To other respectful posters, yes i think Bailey is worth £500k.
Wrong side of 25, never played higher than lg1, not likely to get any better than what he is now.

Molly I'd say £750k based on his goal threat.

Both capable of playing in the Championship, the fact that Owen is playing at the highest level he has done to date means sweet FA & the fact he is proving to be a bigger goal threat than Mols this season means you’re talking out of your a**e with that valuation.

I’d point you in the direction of your mate for guidance but given he’s stated when we were in Lg2 that Molyneaux was now playing ‘at his level & wouldn’t make the step up to Lg1’, & low & behold you now similarly say about Bailey “…..not likely to get any better than he is now.”

You make a lovely couple but at least you don’t spoil a pair.

‘Threaten’ away fella, you do have form for it.

[ncRover]

Big Owen Bailey fan like we all are, but he’s not a Championship player IMO. Not enough pace or passing ability.
And I mean that positively because he’s then more likely to stay with us before you jump down my throat.

[Chris Black come back]

Still unclear where Bailey is most effective. He’s not really a defensive midfielder.

[donnygav93]

You could easily add broadbent to those two probably our biggest selling asset

Biggest thing would be replacing them and if they left in January we're back in league 2 as a certainty

[Thorney]

Funnily enough, just looked at the cardiff forum and a comment reagarding moly is they cannot understand what he is doing playing at this level

They have also created a thread just for him.
Seem to think he is the best winger they have seen this season

[Pancho Regan]

   What we need to do is move on those that are unwanted and not used, How is the question.
  I believe and some will throw it back at me we have a couple in Flint and Faulkner that would  save much needed money, become wanted saleable assets over time, and would allow us  to spend on other areas in the team that need improving.
 If not they already are in a good place to play elsewhere and be our loss, and we can concentrate on getting loans in that are few and far between any improvement on what we already have and an extra cost.
  We keep signing u21s from premiership sides when our two main assets Molyneux  and Bailey came from non league as did Sterry, just a thought.

I’m sorry Selby but your obsession with Flint and Faulkner is wearing.
I’m sure they are good prospects but they are not the answer to our current situation so please find another tune to play.

[scawsby steve]

Seriously need to tie both down on better contracts.

Bailey scoring and luke is getting attention from opposition fans.

Alot of cardiff fans today claimed molyneux looks very good. And ran bagan ragged

Fear we could see both get alot of attention come the last weekend in Jan.

If any serious offers come in, we should be taking the cash.

As long as that cash is reinvested into the playing squad so we dont have to rely on Mr Bramall as much.
We should have took Plymouths money for McGrath.
Clubs like ours cannot afford to be run on sentiment, we can't even compete financially with about 10 clubs in lg1.

If £500k cones in for Bailey, take it abd then see if we can pick up the next owen Bailey AND Ben Whiteman for £300k.

Or a Sbarra & Westbrooke.

Are you mad?

You’d condone selling the only two players we have in the squad who are capable of playing a division higher & at the bargain price of £500k?

You’d take that cash “…if we can pick up the next Owen Bailey AND Ben Whiteman for £300k.”

That’s a bloody big if.

What planet are you on?

Nob.

Hey, while I agree with on this point Usher can you refrain from calling people knobs? Its a forum mate. Accept that everyone is entitled to an opinion… even if it differs from yours.

Resorting to insulting people he disagrees with online must give him stimulation he can’t get elsewhere. Leave him to it!

Have a look at #35 & #36 (especially your bodyguard’s response in #36) on the OP ‘Let’s talk about the Cardiff City game’.

Go stimulate your mate he clearly aches for you.

I'd say that someone who's 6' 7" and 20 stone doesn't need a bodyguard. LOL.

[Pliskin]

Forget offering new deals at this point. The single best thing we can do to try and keep these two lads at the club is to not get relegated.

Because neither of them will be playing in League 2 next season regardless of how long they have left on their contracts.

[grayx]

Funnily enough, just looked at the cardiff forum and a comment reagarding moly is they cannot understand what he is doing playing at this level

They have also created a thread just for him.
Seem to think he is the best winger they have seen this season

He was good yesterday tbf. His final ball often lets him down tho.

[TonySoprano]

To other respectful posters, yes i think Bailey is worth £500k.
Wrong side of 25, never played higher than lg1, not likely to get any better than what he is now.

Molly I'd say £750k based on his goal threat.

Good job it doesnt matter what you think

[Janso]

Suggesting that we sell our biggest assets as players and then hoping we can buy replacements is the sign of a defeatist who is quite happy to be watching Lg.2 football regularly, with the threat of disappearing into National league.

You say this, but selling assets and hoping you can replace them is basically what the much-feted "Barnsley model" is that people used to tug themselves into a coma over then kick and scream when the "selling" part comes along.

[sf9944]

Seriously need to tie both down on better contracts.

Bailey scoring and luke is getting attention from opposition fans.

Alot of cardiff fans today claimed molyneux looks very good. And ran bagan ragged

Fear we could see both get alot of attention come the last weekend in Jan.

If any serious offers come in, we should be taking the cash.

As long as that cash is reinvested into the playing squad so we dont have to rely on Mr Bramall as much.
We should have took Plymouths money for McGrath.
Clubs like ours cannot afford to be run on sentiment, we can't even compete financially with about 10 clubs in lg1.

If £500k cones in for Bailey, take it abd then see if we can pick up the next owen Bailey AND Ben Whiteman for £300k.

Or a Sbarra & Westbrooke.

Are you mad?

You’d condone selling the only two players we have in the squad who are capable of playing a division higher & at the bargain price of £500k?

You’d take that cash “…if we can pick up the next Owen Bailey AND Ben Whiteman for £300k.”

That’s a bloody big if.

What planet are you on?

Nob.

Why the hell do you have to be abusive? He's just expressing his opinion!

[Nudga]

To other respectful posters, yes i think Bailey is worth £500k.
Wrong side of 25, never played higher than lg1, not likely to get any better than what he is now.

Molly I'd say £750k based on his goal threat.

Good job it doesnt matter what you think

And no one actually cares what you think.

[ForsolongaRover]

Suggesting that we sell our biggest assets as players and then hoping we can buy replacements is the sign of a defeatist who is quite happy to be watching Lg.2 football regularly, with the threat of disappearing into National league.

You say this, but selling assets and hoping you can replace them is basically what the much-feted "Barnsley model" is that people used to tug themselves into a coma over then kick and scream when the "selling" part comes along.

It is basically what happens because good offers can't be refused and players want to develop their careers (and earn more money) at a higher level. In theory you reinvest some or all of the proceeds in a player or players with potential and develop him or them and the process repeats. As for judging whether either of the two is Championship material, I'd say that it is esentially a matter for the purchasing club, but if a player stands out at this level he ought to be good enough for the step above. Most of SOD's team were. 

[i_ateallthepies]

I think the problem with the Barnsley model for us is that we don't have a recruitment process nearly good enough to ensure we bring in quality in sufficient numbers to make it sustainable. Our recruitment is like having a go on the tombola.

[DonnyBazR0ver]

I think the problem with the Barnsley model for us is that we don't have a recruitment process nearly good enough to ensure we bring in quality in sufficient numbers to make it sustainable. Our recruitment is like having a go on the tombola.

No recruitment policy is foolproof as there's always risks that players don't mature quick enough or well enough to profit over the initial outlay. People often mention Peterborough but there's ups and downs because things don't always go to plan. Players can still walk for free whilst struggling to find adequate replacements.

Our recruitment has been good enough to bring in these two in the first place plus others that have added value.

[i_ateallthepies]

And our recruitment this summer, DBR?  I have read countless times on here recently how none of our incomings this summer have improved the squad.

[Reg of the Rovers]

If we sell Bailey for any price we will go down and not stop dropping, he's the irreplaceable beating heart of this team. Last time we sold someone of similar influence was Ben Whiteman and we dropped like a stone out of Lg1 and got stuck in Lg2. Got to keep him at all costs.

Moly not quite as critical, but almost all of our creativity comes through him. As others have said he's knocking on a bit for a winger, and while he's an incredible talent, he's one footed and pretty slow for a wide player - so higher clubs would maybe think twice or be offering coppers.

Not selling McGrath in the summer was a massive mistake, he's worth almost nothing now so may as well keep him and use his contributions to the team and hopefully build his value back up again.

Grant has waved his magic wand the last two winter windows. We desperately need a Street from somewhere, good cover in midfield and possibly a keeper upgrade (i'll leave that debate for the many other threads on the subject!). Priority 1 though is keeping Bailey for me, get rid of the dead wood and offer him that money to stay!

[TheFunk]

I think there are new spending rules in place this season. Transfer fees received and cup income is now included in the calculations for financial fair play. Previously only ticket sales were included and maybe monies introduced by owners. So if any players do go don't expect us to be able to splash it all on new signings.

[Thorney]

If we sell Bailey for any price we will go down and not stop dropping, he's the irreplaceable beating heart of this team. Last time we sold someone of similar influence was Ben Whiteman and we dropped like a stone out of Lg1 and got stuck in Lg2. Got to keep him at all costs.

Moly not quite as critical, but almost all of our creativity comes through him. As others have said he's knocking on a bit for a winger, and while he's an incredible talent, he's one footed and pretty slow for a wide player - so higher clubs would maybe think twice or be offering coppers.

Not selling McGrath in the summer was a massive mistake, he's worth almost nothing now so may as well keep him and use his contributions to the team and hopefully build his value back up again.

Grant has waved his magic wand the last two winter windows. We desperately need a Street from somewhere, good cover in midfield and possibly a keeper upgrade (i'll leave that debate for the many other threads on the subject!). Priority 1 though is keeping Bailey for me, get rid of the dead wood and offer him that money to stay!

molyneux being one footed isnt something i feel is right.
Seems more 2 footed than alot of wingers and im sure his last 2 assists have both been of his right foot. Saturdays and the peach perfect cross for bailey in the fa cup that he got plaudits for.
You dont deliver them if your one footed.
When he arrived he was. But he has improved massivly.

Comments from the cardiff forum

"either extremely 2 footed or on his "proper" side. I agree he caused us issues all game"

" I liked him, also. He stood out. In an era of tiny/skinny/frail wingers, he looked like a beast."

[selby]

 I'm sorry Pancho, its simple just don't read my posts if they upset you, its free speech and a forum to express your thoughts. You not agreeing with me will not change my opinion nor does it bother me one iota, write what you want about me but expect to ship some back buddy if it is aimed personally.
 Your opinion on The players is fair enough, I happen to disagree with and am prepared to discuss the reasons why and is  your prerogative and opinion I respect, the personal put down leave alone buddy its childish.
   

[selby]

  Like houses footballers are worth what someone is willing to pay, and what the seller is willing to accept.
  The supposed value Plymouth put on one of our players in the closed season would definitely have been accepted by me.
  The mystery to me is who at at the club thought he was worth more? and was their favourite programme on TV Fantasy Island.

[scawsby steve]

If we sell Bailey for any price we will go down and not stop dropping, he's the irreplaceable beating heart of this team. Last time we sold someone of similar influence was Ben Whiteman and we dropped like a stone out of Lg1 and got stuck in Lg2. Got to keep him at all costs.

Moly not quite as critical, but almost all of our creativity comes through him. As others have said he's knocking on a bit for a winger, and while he's an incredible talent, he's one footed and pretty slow for a wide player - so higher clubs would maybe think twice or be offering coppers.

Not selling McGrath in the summer was a massive mistake, he's worth almost nothing now so may as well keep him and use his contributions to the team and hopefully build his value back up again.

Grant has waved his magic wand the last two winter windows. We desperately need a Street from somewhere, good cover in midfield and possibly a keeper upgrade (i'll leave that debate for the many other threads on the subject!). Priority 1 though is keeping Bailey for me, get rid of the dead wood and offer him that money to stay!

molyneux being one footed isnt something i feel is right.
Seems more 2 footed than alot of wingers and im sure his last 2 assists have both been of his right foot. Saturdays and the peach perfect cross for bailey in the fa cup that he got plaudits for.
You dont deliver them if your one footed.
When he arrived he was. But he has improved massivly.

Comments from the cardiff forum

"either extremely 2 footed or on his "proper" side. I agree he caused us issues all game"

" I liked him, also. He stood out. In an era of tiny/skinny/frail wingers, he looked like a beast."

Absolutely spot on, Thorney. When he first came with us, he was all left foot, which is obviously his strongest. Credit to him, he's worked hard on his right foot, and is now developing into a two footed winger capable of some great crosses with that same right foot.

[drfchound]

If we sell Bailey for any price we will go down and not stop dropping, he's the irreplaceable beating heart of this team. Last time we sold someone of similar influence was Ben Whiteman and we dropped like a stone out of Lg1 and got stuck in Lg2. Got to keep him at all costs.

Moly not quite as critical, but almost all of our creativity comes through him. As others have said he's knocking on a bit for a winger, and while he's an incredible talent, he's one footed and pretty slow for a wide player - so higher clubs would maybe think twice or be offering coppers.

Not selling McGrath in the summer was a massive mistake, he's worth almost nothing now so may as well keep him and use his contributions to the team and hopefully build his value back up again.

Grant has waved his magic wand the last two winter windows. We desperately need a Street from somewhere, good cover in midfield and possibly a keeper upgrade (i'll leave that debate for the many other threads on the subject!). Priority 1 though is keeping Bailey for me, get rid of the dead wood and offer him that money to stay!

molyneux being one footed isnt something i feel is right.
Seems more 2 footed than alot of wingers and im sure his last 2 assists have both been of his right foot. Saturdays and the peach perfect cross for bailey in the fa cup that he got plaudits for.
You dont deliver them if your one footed.
When he arrived he was. But he has improved massivly.

Comments from the cardiff forum

"either extremely 2 footed or on his "proper" side. I agree he caused us issues all game"

" I liked him, also. He stood out. In an era of tiny/skinny/frail wingers, he looked like a beast."

Absolutely spot on, Thorney. When he first came with us, he was all left foot, which is obviously his strongest. Credit to him, he's worked hard on his right foot, and is now developing into a two footed winger capable of some great crosses with that same right foot.

I saw a clip from the PL,action over the weekend and the pundits were wetting themselves over a left footed cross  that someone made from the right wing.
It was the same as the one Mols made with the outside of his left peg a few weeks back.
I can’t remember who it was as I was doing something else at the time.

[selby]

   Poor old Sbara was chastised on here lot's of times as being a non league player by a lot of supporters and three of our best players came from Hartlepool,  Gateshead,  and Sterry from Hartlepool and I first saw him at Halifax.
    And yet we get excited with loan players from premiership u21s sides who rarely are the business for every good one we can point to two or three poor ones.
   Begs the question are we shopping in the wrong store.