Black bank

[TonySoprano]

Shown as sold out for days before the match yesterday, when it was clearly far from sold out.

Think the club are being far far too overzealous with not selling at least 500 for "safety reasons"

Prevents many fans from getting the cheaper tickets, unless thats what they really want? Forcing them to buy more expensive tickets in the east and West?

[silent majority]

It’s not the clubs choice.

The local Safety Advisory Group are the ones who issue the safety certificate to the club and they’re the ones who decide on the numbers.

[Padge_DRFC]

Rovers are missing a trick. We're the cheapest away day in the league bar Burton which is terracing. Away fans pay less than all our home fans for on the day tickets.

It's so simple. The south stand is sold out nearly to STs. Get the on the day price put up to at least the rest of the ground and starting making more per game on the away end.

Rotherham will make a fortune out of us when we sell out at £30 a pop.

Some people will moan at this. We don't want to be that club but it's easy to shout that when it's not your own money.

[In the box]

It’s not the clubs choice.

The local Safety Advisory Group are the ones who issue the safety certificate to the club and they’re the ones who decide on the numbers.

Do the explain their reasoning as the stadium has an official capacity for all quarters so why would this alter if nothing within the stadium has altered .

[silent majority]

It’s not the clubs choice.

The local Safety Advisory Group are the ones who issue the safety certificate to the club and they’re the ones who decide on the numbers.

Do the explain their reasoning as the stadium has an official capacity for all quarters so why would this alter if nothing within the stadium has altered .

But it has altered in the south stand by allowing a sit anywhere policy and turning a blind eye to the standing issue.

Allocated seating means that you can get near to/or achieve capacity. But, as soon as you relax that policy then you have to make compromises on the numbers.
Fans standing take up more room than those sat down. And allowing people to sit anywhere always results in odd spare seats  being unoccupied.

The SAG have a job to do, and I’ve spoken with them on numerous occasions about safe standing and also trying to get a supporter on to the SAG. They’re not perfect, but if it goes wrong it’s them who become liable just as much as anybody else.

[DrewSouthStand]

It’s not the clubs choice.

The local Safety Advisory Group are the ones who issue the safety certificate to the club and they’re the ones who decide on the numbers.

Do the explain their reasoning as the stadium has an official capacity for all quarters so why would this alter if nothing within the stadium has altered .

But it has altered in the south stand by allowing a sit anywhere policy and turning a blind eye to the standing issue.

Allocated seating means that you can get near to/or achieve capacity. But, as soon as you relax that policy then you have to make compromises on the numbers.
Fans standing take up more room than those sat down. And allowing people to sit anywhere always results in odd spare seats  being unoccupied.

The SAG have a job to do, and I’ve spoken with them on numerous occasions about safe standing and also trying to get a supporter on to the SAG. They’re not perfect, but if it goes wrong it’s them who become liable just as much as anybody else.

What an embarrassing load of health and safety waffle. How many times did you burst out giggling while writing that. It's about control, the sit down happy clappers win out every time. You can very easily have unreserved seating filled out far more than we allow, been there done it all over Europe. But here in the UK we've got our clipboard brigade   

[DrewSouthStand]

Lucky enough to be at Sampdoria the other week. Flags banners standing everywhere. The clipboard brigade of the UK would be crying

[Metalmicky]

It could have been called the Blank W*** for all the support it gave yesterday when the boys backs were against the wall.

[TonySoprano]

It’s not the clubs choice.

The local Safety Advisory Group are the ones who issue the safety certificate to the club and they’re the ones who decide on the numbers.

Is that advice, or are the club obliged legally to limit the tickets sold ?
Because if its the former, then its way over the top.

As far as the standing "issue ", thats nonsense. There are much bigger stadiums than ours, with far bigger attendances who's fans stand for 90 mins week in week out with no issues.

I only ask because its affecting not only club revenue, but match day experience and atmosphere.

Yesterday was supposed to be a black bank takeover day, but there were 500 empty seats in the black band despite being "sold out"
Very bizarre

[coventryrover]

Lucky enough to be at Sampdoria the other week. Flags banners standing everywhere. The clipboard brigade of the UK would be crying

  Sampdoria hasn't had a Hillsborough

[TonySoprano]

Lucky enough to be at Sampdoria the other week. Flags banners standing everywhere. The clipboard brigade of the UK would be crying

  Sampdoria hasn't had a Hillsborough

Odd comment, only Hillsborough has had a Hillsborough.

[Ldr]

It’s not the clubs choice.

The local Safety Advisory Group are the ones who issue the safety certificate to the club and they’re the ones who decide on the numbers.

Is that advice, or are the club obliged legally to limit the tickets sold ?
Because if its the former, then its way over the top.

As far as the standing "issue ", thats nonsense. There are much bigger stadiums than ours, with far bigger attendances who's fans stand for 90 mins week in week out with no issues.

I only ask because its affecting not only club revenue, but match day experience and atmosphere.

Yesterday was supposed to be a black bank takeover day, but there were 500 empty seats in the black band despite being "sold out"
Very bizarre

It’s simple buddy, if you want unrestricted seating then the capacity of the stand is reduced by 500 (out of clubs hands - licensing decision) if you want full capacity then would need to be specific ticketed seating. May not agree but it’s simple concept to grasp

[coventryrover]

Lucky enough to be at Sampdoria the other week. Flags banners standing everywhere. The clipboard brigade of the UK would be crying

  Sampdoria hasn't had a Hillsborough

Odd comment, only Hillsborough has had a Hillsborough.

   Far from an odd comment.    Explains why English clubs and authorities are cautious.    Don't blame them

[CJK]

I said in another thread how utterly disappointing the Blank Bank was yesterday, especially given it was their 'takeover day'. It's easy signing when we're winning and crusing. But at 3-1 and 3-2 when the lads needed it, there was nothing.

[TonySoprano]

I said in another thread how utterly disappointing the Blank Bank was yesterday, especially given it was their 'takeover day'. It's easy signing when we're winning and crusing. But at 3-1 and 3-2 when the lads needed it, there was nothing.

Doesn't help being forced to have it half empty

[TonySoprano]

Lucky enough to be at Sampdoria the other week. Flags banners standing everywhere. The clipboard brigade of the UK would be crying

  Sampdoria hasn't had a Hillsborough

Odd comment, only Hillsborough has had a Hillsborough.

   Far from an odd comment.    Explains why English clubs and authorities are cautious.    Don't blame them

It is when you remember the heysel tragedy, whilst not in Italy, Italians were the victims. So will be very much in their minds.

[Stewmaiden79]

I said in another thread how utterly disappointing the Blank Bank was yesterday, especially given it was their 'takeover day'. It's easy signing when we're winning and crusing. But at 3-1 and 3-2 when the lads needed it, there was nothing.

It was disappointing agreed it has been all season. But it’s not the people organising/orchestrating the Black Bank at fault. The same people who sing and try to create an atmosphere are the ones who do week in week out. Until the people who spend the majority of games in silence get involved then the atmosphere will always be flat. It’s everyone in the stadium’s responsibility to get behind the team.

[drfchound]

I said in another thread how utterly disappointing the Blank Bank was yesterday, especially given it was their 'takeover day'. It's easy signing when we're winning and crusing. But at 3-1 and 3-2 when the lads needed it, there was nothing.

Doesn't help being forced to have it half empty

It’s nowhere near HALF empty.

[TonySoprano]

I said in another thread how utterly disappointing the Blank Bank was yesterday, especially given it was their 'takeover day'. It's easy signing when we're winning and crusing. But at 3-1 and 3-2 when the lads needed it, there was nothing.

Doesn't help being forced to have it half empty

It’s nowhere near HALF empty.

Thanks pedant

[Nudga]

Leeds always looks full and they don't sit down behind the goal at Revie End.

[silent majority]

It’s not the clubs choice.

The local Safety Advisory Group are the ones who issue the safety certificate to the club and they’re the ones who decide on the numbers.

Do the explain their reasoning as the stadium has an official capacity for all quarters so why would this alter if nothing within the stadium has altered .

But it has altered in the south stand by allowing a sit anywhere policy and turning a blind eye to the standing issue.

Allocated seating means that you can get near to/or achieve capacity. But, as soon as you relax that policy then you have to make compromises on the numbers.
Fans standing take up more room than those sat down. And allowing people to sit anywhere always results in odd spare seats  being unoccupied.

The SAG have a job to do, and I’ve spoken with them on numerous occasions about safe standing and also trying to get a supporter on to the SAG. They’re not perfect, but if it goes wrong it’s them who become liable just as much as anybody else.

What an embarrassing load of health and safety waffle. How many times did you burst out giggling while writing that. It's about control, the sit down happy clappers win out every time. You can very easily have unreserved seating filled out far more than we allow, been there done it all over Europe. But here in the UK we've got our clipboard brigade   

I've been there and done it all over the world but I fail; to see how that changes anything.

Having spent over 20 years on the Safe Standing campaign I think I have a little knowledge how these things go.

[silent majority]

Leeds always looks full and they don't sit down behind the goal at Revie End.

Very true, but they do have allocated seating. Major difference.

[silent majority]

Lucky enough to be at Sampdoria the other week. Flags banners standing everywhere. The clipboard brigade of the UK would be crying

  Sampdoria hasn't had a Hillsborough

Odd comment, only Hillsborough has had a Hillsborough.

   Far from an odd comment.    Explains why English clubs and authorities are cautious.    Don't blame them

Very true.

In the UK we have the Sports Ground Safety Authority, and they produce the design document known as the Green Guide which includes all the specifications required to meet the exacting and high standards which we see in football stadiums today. The SGSA has become so accomplished at what they do that they have become the pre-eminent advisory board for stadiums around the globe.

Because of Hillsborough, Bradford, Glasgow etc they will always adopt the safety first approach. Its why you see legislation around flares and pyrotechnics, drinking within sight of the pitch, body searches, restrictions on flags etc etc. Its unfortunately because of our history that these things exist.

[Nudga]

Leeds always looks full and they don't sit down behind the goal at Revie End.

Very true, but they do have allocated seating. Major difference.

But still, no one sits down so they take up twice the space apparently. So why isn't their capacity reduced on that basis?

[silent majority]

Leeds always looks full and they don't sit down behind the goal at Revie End.

Very true, but they do have allocated seating. Major difference.

But still, no one sits down so they take up twice the space apparently. So why isn't their capacity reduced on that basis?

Twice the space?

Different SAGS will apply the restrictions how they see fit and allow for local conditions in various stadiums. Which is why you’ve seen standing in seated areas treated differently from club to club when you've travelled to away matches.

But taking action against persistent standing in seated areas is very common, and something we had to deal with all the time. Without trawling the internet for examples, of which there are plenty here's just one from Sunderland which mentions restricting capacity.



SoL: Persistent standing prohibited in regular seats

The local Sports Ground Safety Authority (SGSA) has continually raised serious concerns about persistent standing throughout recent seasons.

Failure to address persistent standing puts the Club at risk of severe sanctions, including an enforced reduction in stadium capacity on matchdays.

[Nudga]

Leeds always looks full and they don't sit down behind the goal at Revie End.

Very true, but they do have allocated seating. Major difference.

But still, no one sits down so they take up twice the space apparently. So why isn't their capacity reduced on that basis?

Twice the space?

More room then, what ever that means?

[Ldr]

Leeds always looks full and they don't sit down behind the goal at Revie End.

Very true, but they do have allocated seating. Major difference.

But still, no one sits down so they take up twice the space apparently. So why isn't their capacity reduced on that basis?

Mate contact the SAG if you want to argue the toss about it

[Nudga]

Leeds always looks full and they don't sit down behind the goal at Revie End.

Very true, but they do have allocated seating. Major difference.

But still, no one sits down so they take up twice the space apparently. So why isn't their capacity reduced on that basis?

Mate contact the SAG if you want to argue the toss about it

Easy fella, its just how the conversation has evolved. I've known Martin for years so I'm not digging him out and hopefully he will know this.

[Ldr]

Leeds always looks full and they don't sit down behind the goal at Revie End.

Very true, but they do have allocated seating. Major difference.

But still, no one sits down so they take up twice the space apparently. So why isn't their capacity reduced on that basis?

Mate contact the SAG if you want to argue the toss about it

Easy fella, its just how the conversation has evolved. I've known Martin for years so I'm not digging him out and hopefully he will know this.

Fair enough mate

[silent majority]

Leeds always looks full and they don't sit down behind the goal at Revie End.

Very true, but they do have allocated seating. Major difference.

But still, no one sits down so they take up twice the space apparently. So why isn't their capacity reduced on that basis?

Mate contact the SAG if you want to argue the toss about it

Easy fella, its just how the conversation has evolved. I've known Martin for years so I'm not digging him out and hopefully he will know this.

I've amended my post above with a bit more detail.

And just to clarify, its the local SAG who will restrict capacity not the cub, which is essentially what we have in Doncaster.