Clark

[IDM]

He is out for 3-4 to weeks according to McCann

Oh dear! This is awful news.

Just as we seemed to to have turned a corner results wise and got out of the bottom 4.

The chance of Rovers getting relegated this year has sadly just increased considerably.

Only one problem with that opinion…

It’s total b*llocks..

[GazLaz]

He is out for 3-4 to weeks according to McCann

Oh dear! This is awful news.

Just as we seemed to to have turned a corner results wise and got out of the bottom 4.

The chance of Rovers getting relegated this year has sadly just increased considerably.

We must surely be encouraged by TLT showing signs of improving his handling and doing some successful catching. Even if Clark had been fit for the next game, McC might well have kept him in.

I’d think there be pretty much zero chance of TLT playing on Saturday if they were both fit.

I find it interesting that we have had a goal keeper that’s constantly cost us about 0.25 goals per game (based on an average L1 keeper) over lots of games, he has one ok game and all of a sudden he’s improved and all is forgiven.

I like TLT and he appears to be a great guy, but he’s a huge reason we are where we are in the league. Let’s not forget that.

[GazLaz]

He is out for 3-4 to weeks according to McCann

Oh dear! This is awful news.

Just as we seemed to to have turned a corner results wise and got out of the bottom 4.

The chance of Rovers getting relegated this year has sadly just increased considerably.

Only one problem with that opinion…

It’s total b*llocks..

It depends what you class as considerably. We have more chance of getting relegated with TLT playing than Clark, that’s absolutely true.

[Branton Red]

He is out for 3-4 to weeks according to McCann

Oh dear! This is awful news.

Just as we seemed to to have turned a corner results wise and got out of the bottom 4.

The chance of Rovers getting relegated this year has sadly just increased considerably.

Only one problem with that opinion…

It’s total b*llocks..

It depends what you class as considerably. We have more chance of getting relegated with TLT playing than Clark, that’s absolutely true.

Thank You.

We can have a debate on by how much (I think considerably) but it is clearly the case both statistically and from the evidence of watching the games so far this season that Clark's injury means Rovers are likely to concede more goals, attain fewer points and therefore finish lower down the league.

The Rovers' Manager clearly thinks the same, at least to some degree, hence why he's played Clark in every match since he joined the club before Burton.

Yet despite this self-evident truth it's somehow unacceptable to express disappointment with Clark's injury and concern at the obvious potential implications. On a Doncaster Rovers' forum. Really?!!

[Fal]

He is out for 3-4 to weeks according to McCann

Oh dear! This is awful news.

Just as we seemed to to have turned a corner results wise and got out of the bottom 4.

The chance of Rovers getting relegated this year has sadly just increased considerably.

Only one problem with that opinion…

It’s total b*llocks..

It depends what you class as considerably. We have more chance of getting relegated with TLT playing than Clark, that’s absolutely true.

Thank You.

We can have a debate on by how much (I think considerably) but it is clearly the case both statistically and from the evidence of watching the games so far this season that Clark's injury means Rovers are likely to concede more goals, attain fewer points and therefore finish lower down the league.

The Rovers' Manager clearly thinks the same, at least to some degree, hence why he's played Clark in every match since he joined the club before Burton.

Yet despite this self-evident truth it's somehow unacceptable to express disappointment with Clark's injury and concern at the obvious potential implications. On a Doncaster Rovers' forum. Really?!!

Your concerns would be justified if Oram or Bryant was in goal for the next month due to their inexperience.


Your concerns (and Gaz) are just plain nonsense now, do you not think he will have learnt from his mistakes and worked on them whilst out of the side? Are you suggesting Clark wouldn’t have conceded at all against Burton because “statistically” he is a better goalkeeper.

Our piss poor defence in the beginning of this season was a massive reason we conceded so many goals. Every keeper in the world makes mistakes, you see it on MOTD every week.


I recall some of our posters were getting on TSLs back last season saying that TLT was better yet TSL is now sitting on the bench for Chelsea in the prem and cups.

My point is get behind the lad rather than being a doom and gloom merchant.

[IDM]

Of course it is acceptable to express your concerns, equally it is acceptable for others to counter those.

Clark might very well be the better keeper, but it also seems with Byrne we have a stronger defence in front of any keeper GM picks.

Plus decent recents results breed confidence, across the whole team.  One slightly less quality player isn’t going to cost us relegation.

[GazLaz]

He is out for 3-4 to weeks according to McCann

Oh dear! This is awful news.

Just as we seemed to to have turned a corner results wise and got out of the bottom 4.

The chance of Rovers getting relegated this year has sadly just increased considerably.

Only one problem with that opinion…

It’s total b*llocks..

It depends what you class as considerably. We have more chance of getting relegated with TLT playing than Clark, that’s absolutely true.

Thank You.

We can have a debate on by how much (I think considerably) but it is clearly the case both statistically and from the evidence of watching the games so far this season that Clark's injury means Rovers are likely to concede more goals, attain fewer points and therefore finish lower down the league.

The Rovers' Manager clearly thinks the same, at least to some degree, hence why he's played Clark in every match since he joined the club before Burton.

Yet despite this self-evident truth it's somehow unacceptable to express disappointment with Clark's injury and concern at the obvious potential implications. On a Doncaster Rovers' forum. Really?!!

Your concerns would be justified if Oram or Bryant was in goal for the next month due to their inexperience.


Your concerns (and Gaz) are just plain nonsense now, do you not think he will have learnt from his mistakes and worked on them whilst out of the side? Are you suggesting Clark wouldn’t have conceded at all against Burton because “statistically” he is a better goalkeeper.

Our piss poor defence in the beginning of this season was a massive reason we conceded so many goals. Every keeper in the world makes mistakes, you see it on MOTD every week.


I recall some of our posters were getting on TSLs back last season saying that TLT was better yet TSL is now sitting on the bench for Chelsea in the prem and cups.

My point is get behind the lad rather than being a doom and gloom merchant.

Not sure what you are talking out re: the Burton game. You don’t judge these things on one game do you.

On the point of getting behind players, I go to every game and sing as much as anyone. That doesn’t change the fact there is almost certainly a difference in ability of the two lads (one a young goalkeeper learning his way and one a full international BTW), and that has to affect results over the course of the season.

[DonnyBazR0ver]

Would be interesting to hear how you express 'considerable' in mathematical terms?

Whilst it's disappointing Clarks going to be out for a while, we still have to defend as a team in games so I'd like to think Byrne has had a positive influence defending, whilst Lee has the same up front, to help us to tip the balance into winning more than losing.

We've already seen TLT being set up for a fall by one or two posters, and you can forsee him being blamed for goals that weren't his fault as the root cause. For example where he's made reaction saves and attackers have been quicker to follow up than our defenders, even when he's palmed to the side. The root cause being elsewhere with poor defending allowing shots coming in too easily.

Like every player, he should start every game with a clean slate and supported as such (which the vast majority do)  and assess his relative performance at the end of the game.

[Pancho Regan]

I’m a simple soul, I don’t study stats and I don’t study data.

I just try to support my team and all the players in the squad. I also try to err on the side of positive rather than negative.

I’m not blind to some players’ failings and I’m always prepared to debate the strengths and weaknesses of our players.

What I could never do, especially when we’re all trying to do our bit to  lift our club away from the bottom end of the table, is make a comment like this:

“We have more chance of getting relegated with TLT playing than with Clark”.

I just couldn’t bring myself to say that, not at this time. Not after the performance TLT put in at Burton, after being chucked into the deep end at the last moment.

He faced 20 corners, 50 crosses and many long throws into the box. The conditions were horrendous.
He dealt superbly with the challenges he faced and he deserved the applause he received from his team mates in the dressing room after the match.

I just couldn’t use those negative words against him, no matter what the ‘data’ suggests.

[donnievic]

Hopefully TLT doesn’t get injured in next few weeks although then I’m sure grant will bring in a replacement

[Move DRFC]

TLT has to massively up his game tbf or we're in deep do do again. He's been pretty awful all season. Saturday though was one of his best games so fingers crossed that continues! Completely understand why fans are worried though.

[NickDRFC]

I’m a simple soul, I don’t study stats and I don’t study data.

I just try to support my team and all the players in the squad. I also try to err on the side of positive rather than negative.

I’m not blind to some players’ failings and I’m always prepared to debate the strengths and weaknesses of our players.

What I could never do, especially when we’re all trying to do our bit to  lift our club away from the bottom end of the table, is make a comment like this:

“We have more chance of getting relegated with TLT playing than with Clark”.

I just couldn’t bring myself to say that, not at this time. Not after the performance TLT put in at Burton, after being chucked into the deep end at the last moment.

He faced 20 corners, 50 crosses and many long throws into the box. The conditions were horrendous.
He dealt superbly with the challenges he faced and he deserved the applause he received from his team mates in the dressing room after the match.

I just couldn’t use those negative words against him, no matter what the ‘data’ suggests.

I’m struggling to see what the big deal; if we’re forced to play a player who’s not as good as the one who’s out injured then we’re less likely to get the points needed to stay up. It’s not a slight on TLT’s performance the other night, it’s just pointing out the obvious - that we brought Clark in to improve the team.

Would you refuse to say “we have more chance of getting relegated with Westbrooke playing than with Bailey” or “we have more chance of getting relegated with Gibson playing than with Molyneux”?

[Filo]

I have faith in TLT, he is nowhere near as bad as folk are making out

[DearneValleyRover]

It’s true that Clark commands his area far better than TLT but he does drop the ball often when trying to catch it and I can’t help but think that both the 1st and last goal that Wigan scored if TLT were in goal he would have been blamed for both, just my opinion of course.

[Fal]

TLT is just another scapegoat for the miserable bunch in our fanbase, if he has a good February they will no doubt move onto someone else but if god forbid we concede a goal no matter how, they will be straight on his back...

[Rupee92ONLY]

Never understand the “ahh he’s just a scapegoat” shouts just because a decent chunk of fans all have the same view on a player. He’s got plenty of criticism this season because… he’s made plenty of (very costly) errors. It’s that simple.

I’ve very little faith in him anymore but just hoping he turns it around, we need him to. I don’t think he (+ Lawlor and Clark) is being helped though by the tactics.

All of them are rooted to their line at set pieces by instruction and design. We have 10 outfield players all crowding the box, where do we want the goalkeeper to go?

[Ian Nimmo]

We need everyone to be onboard with TLT, he is still young and inevitably will make some mistakes, however constant negativity towards him will not help.
At the palace game the person sat at the side of me gave immediate abuse towards Timmy. When I politely stated that bails was mainly to blame, said person stated “ok but I don’t like him anyway” which says it all!

[Barmby Rover]

A goalie looks good if he has a good defence in front of him. With the arrival of Byrne, and the improvement that this seems to have brought about in Jay's form I suspect TLT will be much more effective. I am not saying Clark is not better, he is far more experienced therefore will tend to be better than TLT, but I reckon we are blessed to have a damn good sub for him while he is out injured.

[roversdude]

Could be worse Tranmere have just got Marosi on an Emergency loan

[scawsby steve]

We need everyone to be onboard with TLT, he is still young and inevitably will make some mistakes, however constant negativity towards him will not help.
At the palace game the person sat at the side of me gave immediate abuse towards Timmy. When I politely stated that bails was mainly to blame, said person stated “ok but I don’t like him anyway” which says it all!

Palace game?