Has grant mcann ran out of credit ?

[Draytonian III]

Why should we know what goes on at Cantley Park , it’s a place of work, you can’t walk into any,film set, music study,engineering work or factory because you fancy a look around. Football is business, you don’t let competition know what you’re up to. Remember all that spy gate stuff with Leeds and Derby

[scawsby steve]

I dont get this part of not recruited well.

Just because every player hasn't blown the world apart.

It's like you all expect each player to play to the top of their form every game and we then win promotion.

We have made great strides on and off the pitch, we are building. It might be slightly disappointing that a hope of mid table ish may not happen, but I dont think we are that far from it.

We have had great cup days / runs and 1 game from Wembley.

I dont know what people want from a club where nobody can be arsed to turn up from the city.
Fans that over moan and get on at the players in some case in a rather disgusting way.

For me our fanbase is one of our major downfalls.

More positive vibe, support of the players, a city that turns up and I think you wont be far off all getting what you want.

Is it really the clubs fault? Personally I think the club is let down from the support of the city, which would give revenues, I think supporters dont understand the flux and building stage we are in.... just players play brilliant football or you are rubbish mentality.

They are already losing millions trying to sustain the position and give to the fans and struggling to get the support from football manager wanna be.

Going through the days of not knowing if the club was going to be here at all was probably an eye opener and a growing up moment for me, years ago.

And before anyone replies with its a forum, you can still talk about football without just ever saying all the players are rubbish.

Mccann stays, keep building, its a silly conversation. Further success will come in time with our current regime.

Long winded post that basically says nothing. Just someone moaning about people moaning.

[DonnyBazR0ver]

Why should we know what goes on at Cantley Park , it’s a place of work, you can’t walk into any,film set, music study,engineering work or factory because you fancy a look around. Football is business, you don’t let competition know what you’re up to. Remember all that spy gate stuff with Leeds and Derby

Totally agree. That's beyond fan privilege so I'm not saying anything different however there has to be some accountability and I guess ultimately it's McCanns responsibility which he's never shied away from. It's up to TB to explore that with McCann if and when he thinks it necessary.

[mpc123]

I dont get this part of not recruited well.

Just because every player hasn't blown the world apart.

It's like you all expect each player to play to the top of their form every game and we then win promotion.

We have made great strides on and off the pitch, we are building. It might be slightly disappointing that a hope of mid table ish may not happen, but I dont think we are that far from it.

We have had great cup days / runs and 1 game from Wembley.

I dont know what people want from a club where nobody can be arsed to turn up from the city.
Fans that over moan and get on at the players in some case in a rather disgusting way.

For me our fanbase is one of our major downfalls.

More positive vibe, support of the players, a city that turns up and I think you wont be far off all getting what you want.

Is it really the clubs fault? Personally I think the club is let down from the support of the city, which would give revenues, I think supporters dont understand the flux and building stage we are in.... just players play brilliant football or you are rubbish mentality.

They are already losing millions trying to sustain the position and give to the fans and struggling to get the support from football manager wanna be.

Going through the days of not knowing if the club was going to be here at all was probably an eye opener and a growing up moment for me, years ago.

And before anyone replies with its a forum, you can still talk about football without just ever saying all the players are rubbish.

Mccann stays, keep building, its a silly conversation. Further success will come in time with our current regime.

Long winded post that basically says nothing. Just someone moaning about people moaning.

Proves the point yet again... well done. It says a hell of alot if you are willing to listen.

[Fal]

I dont get this part of not recruited well.

Just because every player hasn't blown the world apart.

It's like you all expect each player to play to the top of their form every game and we then win promotion.

We have made great strides on and off the pitch, we are building. It might be slightly disappointing that a hope of mid table ish may not happen, but I dont think we are that far from it.

We have had great cup days / runs and 1 game from Wembley.

I dont know what people want from a club where nobody can be arsed to turn up from the city.
Fans that over moan and get on at the players in some case in a rather disgusting way.

For me our fanbase is one of our major downfalls.

More positive vibe, support of the players, a city that turns up and I think you wont be far off all getting what you want.

Is it really the clubs fault? Personally I think the club is let down from the support of the city, which would give revenues, I think supporters dont understand the flux and building stage we are in.... just players play brilliant football or you are rubbish mentality.

They are already losing millions trying to sustain the position and give to the fans and struggling to get the support from football manager wanna be.

Going through the days of not knowing if the club was going to be here at all was probably an eye opener and a growing up moment for me, years ago.

And before anyone replies with its a forum, you can still talk about football without just ever saying all the players are rubbish.

Mccann stays, keep building, its a silly conversation. Further success will come in time with our current regime.

Long winded post that basically says nothing. Just someone moaning about people moaning.

Steve, for me Mpcs post was spot on.

[ForsolongaRover]

I dont get this part of not recruited well.

Just because every player hasn't blown the world apart.

It's like you all expect each player to play to the top of their form every game and we then win promotion.

We have made great strides on and off the pitch, we are building. It might be slightly disappointing that a hope of mid table ish may not happen, but I dont think we are that far from it.

We have had great cup days / runs and 1 game from Wembley.

I dont know what people want from a club where nobody can be arsed to turn up from the city.
Fans that over moan and get on at the players in some case in a rather disgusting way.

For me our fanbase is one of our major downfalls.

More positive vibe, support of the players, a city that turns up and I think you wont be far off all getting what you want.

Is it really the clubs fault? Personally I think the club is let down from the support of the city, which would give revenues, I think supporters dont understand the flux and building stage we are in.... just players play brilliant football or you are rubbish mentality.

They are already losing millions trying to sustain the position and give to the fans and struggling to get the support from football manager wanna be.

Going through the days of not knowing if the club was going to be here at all was probably an eye opener and a growing up moment for me, years ago.

And before anyone replies with its a forum, you can still talk about football without just ever saying all the players are rubbish.

Mccann stays, keep building, its a silly conversation. Further success will come in time with our current regime.

Long winded post that basically says nothing. Just someone moaning about people moaning.

Proves the point yet again... well done. It says a hell of alot if you are willing to listen.

I think you mean listen and agree with everything you say and which no doubt you will keep repeating at length until you have worn down all opposing views.

It is rather novel to blame the Doncaster public. Do you really expect the casual observer to look past the fact that the team was regularly losing for the last 3 months of last year? They are not likely to rationalise performances as elaborately as you do to dress everything up so attractively. Regular winning is the key. Thousands of words are no substitute.

[mpc123]

Too many words, your saying?

All those words and you took out of it something I haven't said. Haha.

Nobody has to listen to me at all. It's a football forum, remember!!!!

[mpc123]

I dont get this part of not recruited well.

Just because every player hasn't blown the world apart.

It's like you all expect each player to play to the top of their form every game and we then win promotion.

We have made great strides on and off the pitch, we are building. It might be slightly disappointing that a hope of mid table ish may not happen, but I dont think we are that far from it.

We have had great cup days / runs and 1 game from Wembley.

I dont know what people want from a club where nobody can be arsed to turn up from the city.
Fans that over moan and get on at the players in some case in a rather disgusting way.

For me our fanbase is one of our major downfalls.

More positive vibe, support of the players, a city that turns up and I think you wont be far off all getting what you want.

Is it really the clubs fault? Personally I think the club is let down from the support of the city, which would give revenues, I think supporters dont understand the flux and building stage we are in.... just players play brilliant football or you are rubbish mentality.

They are already losing millions trying to sustain the position and give to the fans and struggling to get the support from football manager wanna be.

Going through the days of not knowing if the club was going to be here at all was probably an eye opener and a growing up moment for me, years ago.

And before anyone replies with its a forum, you can still talk about football without just ever saying all the players are rubbish.

Mccann stays, keep building, its a silly conversation. Further success will come in time with our current regime.

Long winded post that basically says nothing. Just someone moaning about people moaning.

Proves the point yet again... well done. It says a hell of alot if you are willing to listen.

I think you mean listen and agree with everything you say and which no doubt you will keep repeating at length until you have worn down all opposing views.

It is rather novel to blame the Doncaster public. Do you really expect the casual observer to look past the fact that the team was regularly losing for the last 3 months of last year? They are not likely to rationalise performances as elaborately as you do to dress everything up so attractively. Regular winning is the key. Thousands of words are no substitute.

Regualr winning is the key.... oh well now you pointed it out, it's that easy, every club is top of the league now

[LincolnDonny]

Do you mean league 1 player for hanlan?

Crew, TLT, both excellent signings, that every supporter celebrated.
The fact they haven’t worked out this time as well as the first time is surely down to the player.
We know they’re both very good players who will no doubt play at a higher level than this.
Crew especially seemed to turn up here with a poor attitude this season,
It’s too early to suggest grehan is a bad signing for me, and I think Middleton, Gotts, o Riordan have been good signings, add to that haks, Clark, Byrne, Lee, Robinson I can’t see how this years recruitment can be described as poorly as people seem to be making out

I did mean that with Hanlan thanks, have corrected now.

What supporters thought about Crew and TLT is totally irrelevant, they’ve proved to be poor signings and some of the responsibility of that has to sit with the people who signed them.

The fact you say Middleton has been a good signing just shows that we see things completely differently. He’s hasn’t played much and when he has he has barely contributed. It’s not as though he’s being kept on the bench by someone playing out of their skin either, for the most part he’s been competing with an underwhelming Gibson. For me it’s mad to call him a “good signing”.

.        Middleton looks well overweight for a start so has not got to anything like his potential. Gibson mostly just couldn’t give a damn unless it’s against a side he previously played for. I thought Maxwell would have moved up a notch but is poor in the tackle. Crew just didn’t seem interested and wouldn’t be surprised if he expected to go to a championship team. TLT has not had any motivation last season and looks like he’s still under a cloud. Some of the the central defenders need to learn how to head a ball as they seem to go way up in the air in  any direction and mostly to an opponent. Sadly Billy has come to the end of his career except for the rare occasions he hit the target which is mostly mistimed. The backbone of a team tends to be the most important but Grant seems to think loans are the way to go which is where he falls short. Every time we have a player being interviewed it’s like they are saying the same thing which is we are all ready to step up when called upon for the team. The fight for staying in the team has been lost by the changing of the team even when nothing to do with injuries. Grant needs to look back to how he felt when left out of a team in his playing days I am sure he would have been having a quiet word to his gaffer about that. It seems a few players are being told to play out of position which again plays with the minds of those. Some substitutions have not made sense and even wrecked the flow and sure someone has a stat about goals conceded after the making of the said substitutes.

[mpc123]

Do you mean league 1 player for hanlan?

Crew, TLT, both excellent signings, that every supporter celebrated.
The fact they haven’t worked out this time as well as the first time is surely down to the player.
We know they’re both very good players who will no doubt play at a higher level than this.
Crew especially seemed to turn up here with a poor attitude this season,
It’s too early to suggest grehan is a bad signing for me, and I think Middleton, Gotts, o Riordan have been good signings, add to that haks, Clark, Byrne, Lee, Robinson I can’t see how this years recruitment can be described as poorly as people seem to be making out

I did mean that with Hanlan thanks, have corrected now.

What supporters thought about Crew and TLT is totally irrelevant, they’ve proved to be poor signings and some of the responsibility of that has to sit with the people who signed them.

The fact you say Middleton has been a good signing just shows that we see things completely differently. He’s hasn’t played much and when he has he has barely contributed. It’s not as though he’s being kept on the bench by someone playing out of their skin either, for the most part he’s been competing with an underwhelming Gibson. For me it’s mad to call him a “good signing”.

.        Middleton looks well overweight for a start so has not got to anything like his potential. Gibson mostly just couldn’t give a damn unless it’s against a side he previously played for. I thought Maxwell would have moved up a notch but is poor in the tackle. Crew just didn’t seem interested and wouldn’t be surprised if he expected to go to a championship team. TLT has not had any motivation last season and looks like he’s still under a cloud. Some of the the central defenders need to learn how to head a ball as they seem to go way up in the air in  any direction and mostly to an opponent. Sadly Billy has come to the end of his career except for the rare occasions he hit the target which is mostly mistimed. The backbone of a team tends to be the most important but Grant seems to think loans are the way to go which is where he falls short. Every time we have a player being interviewed it’s like they are saying the same thing which is we are all ready to step up when called upon for the team. The fight for staying in the team has been lost by the changing of the team even when nothing to do with injuries. Grant needs to look back to how he felt when left out of a team in his playing days I am sure he would have been having a quiet word to his gaffer about that. It seems a few players are being told to play out of position which again plays with the minds of those. Some substitutions have not made sense and even wrecked the flow and sure someone has a stat about goals conceded after the making of the said substitutes.

I agree mostly with that, apart from the changing of the team.

He is damned if he does damned if he doesn't. Whats the point in having a back room staff working all week to check out the opposition and for example says they do x so grant changes a player to hopefully  combat that. Fundamentally I get all your points though. Hanlan got slagged off, Mccann bought him back into a bit of form, now some ask where is he.

Maxwell has been a unsung hero over the years he has been here, but this year senior seems s to have really come on again, more than Maxwell. What do you do? That's foorball for every manager, every club, not just Mccann / doncaster rovers.

Funny I get a bit frustrated with Gibson and thought he was lazy, I think he just runs like he can't be bothered, not that he isn't bothered, im not sure.

Support them all, support the club, keep going. The club is heading in the right direction.

[Glyn_Wigley]

Says the person who's had three days to work out his original cock-ups and still can't manage it!

Seems my post from this morning has been deleted, but ill repost this.

You and pdx are resorting to ad homenim attacks, to try and divert attention from the substance of the discussion.
Pathetic really, given I was only posing a legitimate question

I honestly didn't give a shit about it until you started your pathetic 'say it to my face' bleatings.

I'm using the word pathetic as it appears to be your word of the week.

[graingrover]

Can we have the identities of the 10 % please lol !

[Glyn_Wigley]

Can we have the identities of the 10 % please lol !

Probably all of Mr Castrato's aliases!

[dickos1]

I dont get this part of not recruited well.

Just because every player hasn't blown the world apart.

It's like you all expect each player to play to the top of their form every game and we then win promotion.

We have made great strides on and off the pitch, we are building. It might be slightly disappointing that a hope of mid table ish may not happen, but I dont think we are that far from it.

We have had great cup days / runs and 1 game from Wembley.

I dont know what people want from a club where nobody can be arsed to turn up from the city.
Fans that over moan and get on at the players in some case in a rather disgusting way.

For me our fanbase is one of our major downfalls.

More positive vibe, support of the players, a city that turns up and I think you wont be far off all getting what you want.

Is it really the clubs fault? Personally I think the club is let down from the support of the city, which would give revenues, I think supporters dont understand the flux and building stage we are in.... just players play brilliant football or you are rubbish mentality.

They are already losing millions trying to sustain the position and give to the fans and struggling to get the support from football manager wanna be.

Going through the days of not knowing if the club was going to be here at all was probably an eye opener and a growing up moment for me, years ago.

And before anyone replies with its a forum, you can still talk about football without just ever saying all the players are rubbish.

Mccann stays, keep building, its a silly conversation. Further success will come in time with our current regime.

Long winded post that basically says nothing. Just someone moaning about people moaning.

Proves the point yet again... well done. It says a hell of alot if you are willing to listen.

I think you mean listen and agree with everything you say and which no doubt you will keep repeating at length until you have worn down all opposing views.

It is rather novel to blame the Doncaster public. Do you really expect the casual observer to look past the fact that the team was regularly losing for the last 3 months of last year? They are not likely to rationalise performances as elaborately as you do to dress everything up so attractively. Regular winning is the key. Thousands of words are no substitute.

Regular winning you say.
We won very regularly for 21 out of the last 24 months. Attendances didn’t suddenly jump up during that time.
I doubt there’ll be that many teams who have won more games than us over the last 24 months

[dickos1]

I dont get this part of not recruited well.

Just because every player hasn't blown the world apart.

It's like you all expect each player to play to the top of their form every game and we then win promotion.

We have made great strides on and off the pitch, we are building. It might be slightly disappointing that a hope of mid table ish may not happen, but I dont think we are that far from it.

We have had great cup days / runs and 1 game from Wembley.

I dont know what people want from a club where nobody can be arsed to turn up from the city.
Fans that over moan and get on at the players in some case in a rather disgusting way.

For me our fanbase is one of our major downfalls.

More positive vibe, support of the players, a city that turns up and I think you wont be far off all getting what you want.

Is it really the clubs fault? Personally I think the club is let down from the support of the city, which would give revenues, I think supporters dont understand the flux and building stage we are in.... just players play brilliant football or you are rubbish mentality.

They are already losing millions trying to sustain the position and give to the fans and struggling to get the support from football manager wanna be.

Going through the days of not knowing if the club was going to be here at all was probably an eye opener and a growing up moment for me, years ago.

And before anyone replies with its a forum, you can still talk about football without just ever saying all the players are rubbish.

Mccann stays, keep building, its a silly conversation. Further success will come in time with our current regime.

Long winded post that basically says nothing. Just someone moaning about people moaning.

Proves the point yet again... well done. It says a hell of alot if you are willing to listen.

I think you mean listen and agree with everything you say and which no doubt you will keep repeating at length until you have worn down all opposing views.

It is rather novel to blame the Doncaster public. Do you really expect the casual observer to look past the fact that the team was regularly losing for the last 3 months of last year? They are not likely to rationalise performances as elaborately as you do to dress everything up so attractively. Regular winning is the key. Thousands of words are no substitute.

Regular winning you say.
We won very regularly for 21 out of the last 24 months. Attendances didn’t suddenly jump up during that time.
I doubt there’ll be that many teams who have won more games than us over the last 24 months

Had a quick look at this and if you only look at league games we have won 46 out of 92 games over the last 24 months.
If you included the cup games the percentage would jump up higher,
But we’ve won 50% of all our league games over the last 24 months if that isn’t winning regularly then I don’t know what is.

[Rupee92ONLY]

We’ve had a good couple of seasons. Only the present season matters though in terms of managers job security etc surely? Said it before but you don’t get extra points added to your tally at the end of the season for previous achievements.

Here’s a question… If (after being given x millions extra investment) after 3 seasons under McCann, we are still in L2, is that considered a failure despite a promotion in between?

[mpc123]

Why choose league 2, its like your hoping it happens. We could still hit the play offs (im not saying we will).

This is what Im trying to say about the mentality it is so negative.

What Mccann had to do when he got to the club was change that mentality internally.

If you can change the fans too, you have a real chance.

Moaning at every pass, every performance.

Moaning about the tannoy.

Its crazy and the club must feel like no matter what they do they are damned or waiting for the next moan.

The fans need to have a positive atmosphere or its going to be 10 times harder to be successful.

Of course unless if a negative place is a comfortable place. Every club are far more likely to fail at promotion, no matter who you are. There are only 3 places.

Our average attendance puts us 13th, we are only 6 points from it and in much better form, playing better than pre xmas.

I dont understand the negativity, around performance / budget.

Your asking every manager to come and perform a miracle.

Just get behind the players and team with positivity, like always has been said, its the 12th man, thats what difference it can make.

[Rupee92ONLY]

Eh?

We’re very close to the relegation spots (having been in them) and you’re questioning why people are bringing up fear of relegation and not the hope of the play-offs?

I predicted 14th and thought just staying up this season should be considered a success and I still do. I’ve seen a lot of glaring issues in our game the last few months that have me really concerned that we will go down though and I think most of it lands at McCann’s door. I wouldn’t sack him though. That’s a discussion for the summer but you can question things now.

Sorry that this isn’t a post rammed full with positivity verging on delusion.

[Fal]

Eh?

We’re very close to the relegation spots (having been in them) and you’re questioning why people are bringing up fear of relegation and not the hope of the play-offs?

I predicted 14th and thought just staying up this season should be considered a success and I still do. I’ve seen a lot of glaring issues in our game the last few months that have me really concerned that we will go down though and I think most of it lands at McCann’s door. I wouldn’t sack him though. That’s a discussion for the summer but you can question things now.

Sorry that this isn’t a post rammed full with positivity verging on delusion.

Its not delusion Ghosh, its just some people don't take the game as seriously as others, i completely get the concerns due to our current position. However, for all we know we could win both games this week and be a point behind 12th (assuming they don't pick up points).

If we are in this position in 10 games time then i will probably share your concern, however still i won't let it ruin my weekend or enjoyment of watching football. I'll support the team no matter what league we are in but of course i would love us to stay up this season and have a day out a Wembley.

Lets just see what the future holds rather than worrying about things that haven't happened or might not happen.

[ncRover]

There average predicted finish on here was 10th.

It would be interesting to know after how low a finish people would start to want the club hierarchy to treat McCann’s performance just like they would any other manager going in to next season.

That is I think what the post was asking.

Recruitment does need to improve, yes. McCann can only work with what he has got. But while we have a manager set up and not a head coach / sporting director set up, the manager himself needs to have an extremely well crystallised idea of what he wants and what the team needs.

(I predicted 12th-16th).

[graingrover]

The most important alignment is Grant - Gavin - Terry .

[Chris Black come back]

If we go down, this is a poor season. No hiding from that.

[Rupee92ONLY]

By worrying, obviously take it in context. Worrying in football terms. It shouldn’t affect anyone’s personal life. It’s natural to debate and share opinions as something plays out rather than just sit and wait. The forum would be dead without it.

Hopefully we stay up and kick on, the whole club will be in such a strong position for doing so just as much as it’ll be in a much weaker position for not.

[DonnyOsmond]

Do you mean league 1 player for hanlan?

Crew, TLT, both excellent signings, that every supporter celebrated.
The fact they haven’t worked out this time as well as the first time is surely down to the player.
We know they’re both very good players who will no doubt play at a higher level than this.
Crew especially seemed to turn up here with a poor attitude this season,
It’s too early to suggest grehan is a bad signing for me, and I think Middleton, Gotts, o Riordan have been good signings, add to that haks, Clark, Byrne, Lee, Robinson I can’t see how this years recruitment can be described as poorly as people seem to be making out

Too early to decide if Grehan is a good or bad signing but f*ck it, Clark, Byrne, Robinson, Lee are all good signings despite playing less minutes to judge.

Make it make sense.

[mpc123]

Eh?

We’re very close to the relegation spots (having been in them) and you’re questioning why people are bringing up fear of relegation and not the hope of the play-offs?

I predicted 14th and thought just staying up this season should be considered a success and I still do. I’ve seen a lot of glaring issues in our game the last few months that have me really concerned that we will go down though and I think most of it lands at McCann’s door. I wouldn’t sack him though. That’s a discussion for the summer but you can question things now.

Sorry that this isn’t a post rammed full with positivity verging on delusion.

It would help if you read my post, then you wouldn't just pick out snippets.

I get why people could be worried, be worried is fine. No need to be negative, doom and gloom amd everyone is rubbish thats all, I'm saying.

If you see I haven't actually put anything delusional.
Why is it so hard for people to think positive

[scawsby steve]

Eh?

We’re very close to the relegation spots (having been in them) and you’re questioning why people are bringing up fear of relegation and not the hope of the play-offs?

I predicted 14th and thought just staying up this season should be considered a success and I still do. I’ve seen a lot of glaring issues in our game the last few months that have me really concerned that we will go down though and I think most of it lands at McCann’s door. I wouldn’t sack him though. That’s a discussion for the summer but you can question things now.

Sorry that this isn’t a post rammed full with positivity verging on delusion.

It would help if you read my post, then you wouldn't just pick out snippets.

I get why people could be worried, be worried is fine. No need to be negative, doom and gloom amd everyone is rubbish thats all, I'm saying.

If you see I haven't actually put anything delusional.
Why is it so hard for people to think positive

Regarding that last sentence, I don't know if you're aware of it, but depression is a serious problem in the UK. Anti-depression medication is the most prescribed medication by most GPs.

Some people find positive thinking very difficult, often because of circumstances. If you're not one of these people, you're very lucky.

[mpc123]

In my life and business, thinking positive makes a huge difference sometimes thinking negative is much easier I have found.

[Fal]

Eh?

We’re very close to the relegation spots (having been in them) and you’re questioning why people are bringing up fear of relegation and not the hope of the play-offs?

I predicted 14th and thought just staying up this season should be considered a success and I still do. I’ve seen a lot of glaring issues in our game the last few months that have me really concerned that we will go down though and I think most of it lands at McCann’s door. I wouldn’t sack him though. That’s a discussion for the summer but you can question things now.

Sorry that this isn’t a post rammed full with positivity verging on delusion.

It would help if you read my post, then you wouldn't just pick out snippets.

I get why people could be worried, be worried is fine. No need to be negative, doom and gloom amd everyone is rubbish thats all, I'm saying.

If you see I haven't actually put anything delusional.
Why is it so hard for people to think positive

Regarding that last sentence, I don't know if you're aware of it, but depression is a serious problem in the UK. Anti-depression medication is the most prescribed medication by most GPs.

Some people find positive thinking very difficult, often because of circumstances. If you're not one of these people, you're very lucky.

Agreed its definitely a worsening situation in the world, sadly despite the multitude of stuff out there to help people who suffer the only person who can help anyone recover from depression is the person themselves. However, it is easier said than done for a lot of people, trust me i've been there.

[dickos1]

We’ve had a good couple of seasons. Only the present season matters though in terms of managers job security etc surely? Said it before but you don’t get extra points added to your tally at the end of the season for previous achievements.

Here’s a question… If (after being given x millions extra investment) after 3 seasons under McCann, we are still in L2, is that considered a failure despite a promotion in between?

My post was in response to someone who was talking about gates, and the fact he believed they weren’t great because we aren’t winnning regularly.
I was just pointing out we’ve been winning very regularly over the last two years and the gates stayed the same generally

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We’ve had a good couple of seasons. Only the present season matters though in terms of managers job security etc surely? Said it before but you don’t get extra points added to your tally at the end of the season for previous achievements.

Here’s a question… If (after being given x millions extra investment) after 3 seasons under McCann, we are still in L2, is that considered a failure despite a promotion in between?

My post was in response to someone who was talking about gates, and the fact he believed they weren’t great because we aren’t winnning regularly.
I was just pointing out we’ve been winning very regularly over the last two years and the gates stayed the same generally

I think you are missing my point Dickos. I don’t dispute that you are probably right about the 50% win ratio. Attracting new support though is surely encouraging new people through the gates and (unlike us, the stalwarts) they won’t keep the faith come what may; they want to see the home team win. That did not happen for week after week because following our very good start (which would have encouraged new support) we failed to win a league match for 10 games until the  Peterborough game and then failed again for another 6 matches before the next victory. New supporters might come back once, but not after 9 without one.

Going back many years (before season-ticket holders were automatically included in the attendance) it is surely behind dispute that crowds build when we go on a good run and fall back when we have the sort of 4 months that we suffered from mid September to mid January. We were failing to win and mostly losing match after match and spirits were low even amongst the VSC faithful.

I admire your unwavering optimism, but my relationship with the club, though demonstrably permanent, is more pragmatic.

PS You could have drawn my attention to the fact that “winning regularly” could mean doing so at consistent intervals. Repeating a win every fifth game would not stimulate public enthusiasm. So, “Winning frequently” would have been more apt way of putting it. There could also be a debate about whether our record-breaking run to the Play-offs attracted more new support than our steady title-winning 2024/25.