i bet the ref gets the blame

[I-was-there1976]

but watching it on tv i thought he had a good game. Plymouth looked more dangerous and deserved at least a point.

1 upfront at home against a team in the bottom 3 ? strange

JET takes the long throws when his height would be better in the box surely ?


Well done Plymouth. Their front 2 looked well up for it. Worth a bid in the summer ?

[ScillyRover]

We didn't look like we wanted it enough.
Hater should have buried his chance.
As you say, one up front at home doesn't give the right message.

[SOD]

We could only scrape 5 on the bench and no forwards!

[ScillyRover]

SOD wrote:

We could only scrape 5 on the bench and no forwards!

Hardly suprising seeing as we had one of our strikers scoring while on loan yesterday.

[Filo]

Not blaming the ref, we are our own worse enemys, we can't finish teams off, but 2 stonewall pens denied again! And JET is lazy

[eastender]

ScillyRover wrote:

SOD wrote:

We could only scrape 5 on the bench and no forwards!

Hardly suprising seeing as we had one of our strikers scoring while on loan yesterday.

Had to that ,Guy scoring for Oldham today.

[TheRev]

Definately 2 penalties not given but do some of our players want a crack at the Premiership?
They looked uninterested for the best part of the game.

[VikingJames]

What an indefensible display. From start to finish it was dour.

It was remeniscent of some of the home games from the beginning of our L1 promotion season, where a team with not alot of real talent as such came and worked hard, and ultimately brought us down to their level, and ended up beating us in a physical battle. No excuses though, because that was their game plan, and they pulled it off.

Wonder which bright spark decided to water the pitch heavily before the game too. You could see from the stands that it ended up saturated with water, and in the end it played a part in their equaliser as Sulli struggled to hold on to the ball on a slippery surface.

Oster was my man of the match by a country mile. Only him, Copps and Hayter can come off that pitch with any credibility today. Bad day at the office for all involved.

Another point, indirectly related to the game, why on earth are we letting the likes of Spicer and Heffs piss away their season in the lower leagues if we can't even fill the subs bench? I know you can't deny players a chance to play, but we know we've got a small squad, we've got nothing to play for (just about), why didn't we keep the likes of Heffs and Spicer here and tell them that they will be given a chance to show what they can do between now and the end of the season.

[Wellred]

Our problem is we have to pass pass pass.
What was JOC doing 6 yards out passing to Hayter. FFs hit the ball man. Have a bloody shot.
I will never criticise SOD for bringing everyone back for a corner or free kick again. Our defending when Plymouth scored their 2nd goal was a joke.
Any one of 4 different players could have scored.

[Thinwhiteduke]

I wont blame him for the two comical goals we conceded.

But I will blame him for the two stonewall penalties he failed to give us, doesnt excuse the fact that we were abysmal today though.

The fact remains, if you dont get the ball in the box, you dont score.

[Donnywolf]

Have you NOT seen Beckham chipping Sullivan

...or Pat Jennings (Goalkeeper) scoring

..or Xabi Alonso v Luton

None of them were in the box lol

[Lesonthewest]

Thinwhiteduke wrote:

I wont blame him for the two comical goals we conceded.

But I will blame him for the two stonewall penalties he failed to give us, doesnt excuse the fact that we were abysmal today though.

The fact remains, if you dont get the ball in the box, you dont score.

Absolutely,  I have said on a previous thread we didn't gamble enough on getting balls & bodies into the box, today was an opportunity to do that, with the greatest respect Plymouth are near the bottom for a reason. We nowhere near enough exploited their faults, or, as the home side, put them under any kind of sustained pressure.

[MiKA]

I'd blame Sully equally, he should have, and would have normally, saved those 2 shots today.  He's been great towards the end of this season but I wonder how many seasons, if any, he has left.

[Thinwhiteduke]

MiKA wrote:

I'd blame Sully equally, he should have, and would have normally, saved those 2 shots today.  He's been great towards the end of this season but I wonder how many seasons, if any, he has left.

To be honest...I agree with you.

You cant defend the undefensible, and Sullys contribution to the first we conceded was nothing short of ridiculous, not only the fumbling of the initial shot - but the tortoise like response from the man himself after the intial fumble, clawing for the ball like some geriatric who had lost his specs!

As for their second, to be fair, any one of 3 or 4 Plymotuh players could have put that one away - bad marking, and a total lack of concentration to blame.

[Superspy]

from where i was sat it looked like our first took a deflection which is why sully fumbled it, he didnt have the time to react. if it didnt deflect he would have caught it imo.

[Thinwhiteduke]

Rigoglioso wrote:

Regarding the referee, I thought the first half penalty was more of a penalty than the one in the second half.

Suppose it depends where you were sat. I was sat perfectly in line with the penalty in the secon half, and believe me, it looked nailed on - hopefully the Football League Show will confirm it.

[Thinwhiteduke]

Thinwhiteduke wrote:

Rigoglioso wrote:

Regarding the referee, I thought the first half penalty was more of a penalty than the one in the second half.

Suppose it depends where you were sat. I was sat perfectly in line with the penalty in the secon half, and believe me, it looked nailed on - hopefully the Football League Show will confirm it.

Obviously really naive of me to expect that crappy programme to show some of the key moments from the match though eh?

[Superspy]

indeed, they very rarely show any issues of contention, BUT, credit to them they showed a lot more coverage of us, and discussed the game a lot more than they normally do.

[Superspy]

sometimes i get the feeling they dont like showing issues that split opinion (offside goals/penalty appeals etc) due to the fact it fuels the fire of hating referees and officials in general.

[The Red Baron]

Rigoglioso wrote:

Some people may blame Sully for the goals we conceded (especially the first), but he wasn't helped by his defence for either goal. Leading up to the first goal we seemed reluctant to get a tackle in, and for the second it was a really easy header where BWP had the whole goal to aim at and pick his spot. If we're having a dig at Sully for being slow, lets not forget Shelton Martis either who looked as if he was carrying a bag of sand on his shoulders all afternoon! So slow at times it was unbelievable.

Regarding the referee, I thought the first half penalty was more of a penalty than the one in the second half. Some of his other decisions were a bit baffling but given that he has a bit of an uneasy reputation with me, I didn't think he was all that bad. Even still, I'd be glad if I didn't see him again for another 12 months at the least!!!

I'd certainly give Sully some of the blame for the first. Basic goalkeeping- if you parry a shot at least knock it away from goal. He wasn't helped by his defence failing to clear their lines, failing to block the shot and then failing to follow it in. No blame on the second- two men unmarked. Down to poor marking and to an extent to Mutch giving away a needless free-kick.

I don't know what was up with Martis but he made their No.8 look like Usain Bolt (he wasn't) and to be honest I'd have pulled him off rather than Chambers. Martis did seem to be struggling with cramp at the end.

The ref WAS useless, although I don't blame him for the defeat. He missed two penalties (to be fair I thought they could have had one as well) and allowed Plymouth to slow down the game when they were under pressure by his tendency to lecture players at length- when he should have been carding them! The No.22 was allowed to get away with far too much and Wright-Phillips should have been booked for an obvious show of dissent.

[donnievic]

The 1st half one looked similiar to the one against Preston we got and against Peterbro where we didn't but the 2nd half one looked nailed on from the South stand and know idea how the ref didn't give it unless he just didn't see it through the crowd of players

[BobG]

When I watched the game on t'internet along with the usual LP crowd, the consensus was that the shot for Argyle's first had taken a deflection. Sully did ok to atually parry the thing. Pity he couldn't scoop it out sidways. But the dying swan stuff after that really was poor.

BobG

[Boycie]

The ref was poor from minute one, gave us a goal kick when it was a clear corner, allowed Plymouth to contunually foul/obstruct but had obviously left his cards and book at home and missed 2 penalties ( 1 nailed on 100% cert)