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[leedshayter]

if sod had of made the subs 10 mins earlier we would of had at least a point.thought wade was great when he came on.poor old heffs has no idea at this level.personally think hes not good enough and should move on  

[MrFrost]

leedshayter wrote:

if sod had of made the subs 10 mins earlier we would of had at least a point.thought wade was great when he came on.poor old heffs has no idea at this level.personally think hes not good enough and should move on  

Poor old Heffs has no idea at this level.
We have his goals AT THIS LEVEL to thank for being AT THIS LEVEL this season.

On what basis do you believe Fairhurst is good enough at this level? I'm not saying he isn't, but Heffernan has proved he is good enough to play at this level, and has scored the goals to go with it.

[TheRev]

leedshayter wrote:

if sod had of made the subs 10 mins earlier we would of had at least a point.thought wade was great when he came on.poor old heffs has no idea at this level.personally think hes not good enough and should move on  

What a load of Boll0x. \"Heffs has no idea at this level\" - who you trying to convince?

[leedshayter]

i played at a good standard mr yellow snow so no a good striker when i see one heffs is not in the box when we are attacking he just strolls about out wide .billy would be on the peno spot waiting to pounce

[MrFrost]

Then how do you explain heffs performances last season. He hasn't had a good enough run in the team this year for him to prove himself.

[Thinwhiteduke]

leedshayter wrote:

.poor old heffs has no idea at this level.

Possibly the stupidest comment posted on this board since its inception.

[leedshayter]

wots his goal tally again this term thickshiteduke ?

[Glyn_Wigley]

How many goals do all you Heffs lovers think he will score in these last half-dozen games then? How many do you expect, and how few would tell us that he ISN'T up to it?

[MrFrost]

leedshayter wrote:

wots his goal tally again this term thickshiteduke ?

And what kind of run has he been given in the team?
Heffs has proved he is up to it. A steady consistent run in this team this season will have shown he is more than capable.
So, leedslover, who's going to lead the line next season when Sharp has gone back? I for one hope Heffs stays, but I can't see it.

[mushRTID]

Thinwhiteduke wrote:

leedshayter wrote:

.poor old heffs has no idea at this level.

Possibly the stupidest comment posted on this board since its inception.

Actually, I believe someone once suggested Keane had eclipsed the mighty Oasis.

 

[topnotch_Donny]

leedshayter wrote:

i played at a good standard mr yellow snow so no a good striker when i see one heffs is not in the box when we are attacking he just strolls about out wide .billy would be on the peno spot waiting to pounce

Hello.

I kept an eye on Heffs today, and he did all the donkey work. He was dropping into midfield all the time thus leaving Jet and Hayter upfront. I'd rather Heffs(being the central striker) stay upfront, and play off the shoulders of the defenders. What can Heffs do when he goes into deep midfield?

I honestly thought that Heffs did OK today.

[leedshayter]

mr frost why do u think heffs has not been in the team? cos sod knows he is not up to it how many openings did he create /take today? NONE abig fat zero i rest my case . have u ever played the game frosty or is it a bit too physical for you ? stick to keyboard fumbling you little warrior  

[topnotch_Donny]

leedshayter wrote:

mr frost why do u think heffs has not been in the team? cos sod knows he is not up to it how many openings did he create /take today? NONE abig fat zero i rest my case . have u ever played the game frosty or is it a bit too physical for you ? stick to keyboard fumbling you little warrior  

Hello


Heffs can do it Mate, he proved that last season.

He tries to hard as he knows SOD wants him to work his tits off   Waste of time Heffs tracking back, like he did today.

[MrFrost]

leedshayter wrote:

mr frost why do u think heffs has not been in the team? cos sod knows he is not up to it how many openings did he create /take today? NONE abig fat zero i rest my case . have u ever played the game frosty or is it a bit too physical for you ? stick to keyboard fumbling you little warrior  

The only keyboard warrior here is you.
There is an underlying issue with Heffs and SOD that has nothing to do with his ability on the pitch. Possibly his attitude in training. Who knows? The fact is Heffs his a goalscorer and his career stats show that, and is more than capable at this level.

Do the school's go back next week? Maybe you could take some English lessons?

[leedshayter]

maybe i should show you whos the daddy frost v493 s the seat no  B) feel free to come and introduce yourself B)

[MrFrost]

Big man aren't you? From that I assume you are implying some kind of confrontation will be forthcoming should I come and introduce myself.

Grow up sunshine. You abusing other fans because they have a different opinion to you shows what a tosser you are.

For the record, i'll come and have a chat with you. What stand are you in?

[dknward2]

heffs is not interested in drfc any more and i for one dont blame him he gave his all in the second half of last last season and was the main reason we stayed up.

this season gets odd game at start of season then left on bench, brought on with 10 mins to go and expected to score a hat full. then finally gets first team chance at bristol loves it done there an gets called back due to injury crisis and gets no support heffs needs 4-4-2 not 4-5-1 with the ball launched at his or over his head.


i believe that fairhust has got a very very bright future and i hope its with drfc. when he came on he was bright, lively, and wanted to attack he looked the same as he did before he went to shewsbury and got injured, ok he is no where near the finished player but if he can get along side a partner ala billy sharp or his replacement who ever that be i think we may have our next 20 goal a season man

[ad1982]

leedshayter wrote:

maybe i should show you whos the daddy frost v493 s the seat no  B) feel free to come and introduce yourself B)

Stop being a pr!ck and threatening your fellow fans. I dare say if anyone did come and introduce themselves you'd shit yourself and run a mile.
Grow up you plank.

[Thinwhiteduke]

leedshayter wrote:

wots his goal tally again this term thickshiteduke ?

Wot? Im sure you meant What. Or are you really so dense?


At the end of the day, but for Heffernans goals last season, we wouldnt even be in The Championship this season. So, therefore, he has proved he can cut it at this level. You are in a very small minority who believe he cannot.

[Thinwhiteduke]

mushRTID wrote:

Thinwhiteduke wrote:

leedshayter wrote:

.poor old heffs has no idea at this level.

Possibly the stupidest comment posted on this board since its inception.

Actually, I believe someone once suggested Keane had eclipsed the mighty Oasis.

 

Well, in my opinion Keane are a better band that those Beatles/ Slade rip off merchants Oasis so there you go.  

[Thinwhiteduke]

dknward2 wrote:

heffs is not interested in drfc any more and i for one dont blame him he gave his all in the second half of last last season and was the main reason we stayed up.

Thank you.

Trying telling that to this 'Leedshayter' idiot though.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Eeh 'eck, I'm in Argument Heaven here. Paul Heffernan AND the relative merits of pop groups in ONE thread.

Which to choose? Which to choose?

Development in Pop/Rock music is of course, a Hegelian dialect process. Apparently contradictory influences are constantly being re-worked in a thesis+antithesis=synthesis process.

When it works, it produces revolutionary new styles of music. Like, for example Afrika Bambataa and Grandmaster Flash combining influences like James Brown and Kraftwerk to invent modern black dance music.

The very fact that Oasis can be accused of ripping off both the Beatles and Slade in the same breath shows that they were masters of this dialectic. Who else would produce music that was influenced by two such contradictory sources?

In fact, Oasis were the culmination of 3 decades of classic British Rock. They wove together The Beatles, Glam Rock, Punk's simple chords and energy, Jesus & Mary Chain/My Bloody Valentine's noise encrusted melodiousness, Happy Monday's compulsive/obsessive rhythms and The Stone Roses's re-invention of the guitar hero and welded them onto something that reflected them all but yet was utterly new. And that was just on one track - Columbia. That track alone would be sufficent to mark them down as legends.

For a brief spell, they were THE greatest rock band that this country has ever produced. They summed up British Rock music in big capital letters and underlined it. And they LOOKED like Rock Stars.

Keane on the other hand are a bunch of podgy, stodgy, public school boys who thought, \"Hey, wouldn't it be like, RAD, to do away with the guitar and just, like, use pianos and violins, yeah?\" They show that the dialectic doesn't always work. Quirky, innoffensive middle-of-the-road pap.

Now, Paul Heffernan...

[Glyn_Wigley]

It looks like we're going to sell Heffs.

Now, as he's this Championship level striker we keep being told he is, what's his price? One million? Two million? Or is it likely to be a couple of hundred thousand?

Now, how many Championship clubs are lining up to grab themselves a bargain...?

Doesn't that tell people more than a few goals last season does?

[dumbroofer]

free transfer me old mucka .....what price his replacement....

[Boomstick]

leedshayter wrote:

if sod had of made the subs 10 mins earlier we would of had at least a point.thought wade was great when he came on.poor old heffs has no idea at this level.personally think hes not good enough and should move on  

Heffs is easily the best striker we have tied to a contract, just look at his goals to game ratio.
Head and shoulders above Hayter, and we havent seen enough of fairhurst to comment. If SOD kept Heffs instead of shipping him out on loan, and we played him instead of Hayter we would have finished higher in the league.
I'm  not knocking Hayter but Heffs is just better.
Heffs is quality so stop talking nonsense you pleb.

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

I really do disagree.  Our style has changed a bit this season and for me Heffs isn't good enough up front.  Can't fault his effort.  Remember he started 2 games at the start of the season and looked average, has he shone when he's had a chance this season?  Not really.  Now people will say he's not had a long run in the team, but others have come in and had a bigger impact on the team even if not scoring goals.

Heffs suffers for that because rightly or wrongly he just isn't quite as mobile as Hayter, Sharp or Fairhurst.  He had a couple of half chances yesterday and didn't really do much with them.  Heffs has made 14 appearances, many as sub but at least 5 were starts and he has no goals.  That is telling in itself.

it is all about opinions but we can't keep going on about Heffs scoring last season when fact is he hasn't done it this season.

As for Heffs over Hayter I simply cannot agree.  Hayter's spent most of the season playing behind Sharp and out left, could Heffs do that?  No he couldn't at all.  Hayter's done well when he has had the chance to play as the main striker and scored 8 goals now this season, that's not really too shabby is it?

Now I've liked Heff before but in this division he's not really done it bar that spell last season where he was superb.  The most damning statistic overall is of the 14 games Heffs has played in this season how many points have we picked up?  The answer 8.  We have drawn 8 and lost 6 of Heffs games this season, none of them have been won, that is a strange stat but some of it has to be down to him just not scoring when he's played.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Pudding. That post is precisely what folk mean when they say that statistics can be made to mean anything you want.

1) Heffernan played two games at the start of the season. Since then, he has started 3 games for us - one when the squad imploded against Middlesborough ( when he set our only goal up by the way...) and two this week, both against promotion contenders and in the middle of an injury crisis of epic proportions.

2) So Heffernan has not started more than 2 consecutive games for us this season. Now, it's an old nostrum in football that strikers need games to find their form. You want evidence? Go look at Sharp's scoring record in his first few games for us.

3) Are you seriously suggesting that our failure to win in the nine matches when Heffernan came on as sub for 5 minutes a time show that Heffernan is no good? What does that say about the strikers who were on the pitch fir the first 85 mins?

And finally, a comment to those who regularly regale us with the opinionthat Heffernan is slow/lazy/unwilling to work outside the box/unable to get into scoring positions. Go look again at our first goal yesterday. Watch Heffernan's movement in both initiating the move and then taking up an A1 position in case JET's shot was parried. Then think before you spout off again.

[Boomstick]

big fat yorkshire pudding wrote:

I really do disagree.  Our style has changed a bit this season and for me Heffs isn't good enough up front.  Can't fault his effort.  Remember he started 2 games at the start of the season and looked average, has he shone when he's had a chance this season?  Not really.  Now people will say he's not had a long run in the team, but others have come in and had a bigger impact on the team even if not scoring goals.

Heffs suffers for that because rightly or wrongly he just isn't quite as mobile as Hayter, Sharp or Fairhurst.  He had a couple of half chances yesterday and didn't really do much with them.  Heffs has made 14 appearances, many as sub but at least 5 were starts and he has no goals.  That is telling in itself.

it is all about opinions but we can't keep going on about Heffs scoring last season when fact is he hasn't done it this season.

As for Heffs over Hayter I simply cannot agree.  Hayter's spent most of the season playing behind Sharp and out left, could Heffs do that?  No he couldn't at all.  Hayter's done well when he has had the chance to play as the main striker and scored 8 goals now this season, that's not really too shabby is it?

Now I've liked Heff before but in this division he's not really done it bar that spell last season where he was superb.  The most damning statistic overall is of the 14 games Heffs has played in this season how many points have we picked up?  The answer 8.  We have drawn 8 and lost 6 of Heffs games this season, none of them have been won, that is a strange stat but some of it has to be down to him just not scoring when he's played.

Rubbish, he hasnt scored this season purely because 5mins here and there doesnt constitute a game.  How the f**k can he make an impact when he comes on at 2-0 down for 5 mins!!??!? as he has done time and again.
As for being less mobile than Hayter, now I know your talking silly.
Give Heffs 30 games and he will give you 15-20 goals. FACT. Hayter isnt in the same league, its like comparing a Porsche 911 to a Maxda mx5. The mx5 is ok, but .....

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

He's had 5 starts at least.  Hardly 5 minutes here or there in them was it.  Others can manage, Hayter can make an impact as can Fairhurst where has Heffs' impact been?

[dumbroofer]

you know, it has not made a bit of difference this season who has played or not,up front, midfield or in defence,we have had players come in and ,not only do a job do a bloody good one.myself i hope we can hold on to what we have here at the mo,eg signing the loan players ,that are available,but more to the point SOD and that i fear may be the one person we wont be able to hang on to.......