Another stonewall penalty denied!

[Filo]

Handball in the first half, how do the officials miss em?

[Thinwhiteduke]

One in each half denied. I hope they show them both on the Football League Show but I doubt they will.

Maybe, just maybe that first half penalty deial spurred us on though?

I hate football. Martis was ridiculously poor defencively then goes on to score the match winner! Bizarre.

[i_ateallthepies]

Scunny first goal miles offside.  The west stand lino was a disgrace today :angry:

[Filo]

i_ateallthepies wrote:

Scunny first goal miles offside.  The west stand lino was a disgrace today :angry:

He was n't, I was right in line with it, he was half a yard onside, Hird played him on

[Wellred]

To be fair to all three officials today they were consistent.
They got virtually everything wrong. The worst of the lot was when the scunny forward put the ball out for a goal kick when Sam Hird was at least a yard away and Andy Arsehole gives a corner.

[i_ateallthepies]

Filo wrote:

i_ateallthepies wrote:

Scunny first goal miles offside.  The west stand lino was a disgrace today :angry:

He was n't, I was right in line with it, he was half a yard onside, Hird played him on

You should be a linesman with eyesight ligh that Filo

I too was right in line, the lino wasn't up with play.  Me and everyone around me saw it as offside.

There was another shortly after, carbon copy, that put them clean through that he didn't give.

[DonnyNoel]

i_ateallthepies wrote:

Filo wrote:

i_ateallthepies wrote:

Scunny first goal miles offside.  The west stand lino was a disgrace today :angry:

He was n't, I was right in line with it, he was half a yard onside, Hird played him on

You should be a linesman with eyesight ligh that Filo

I too was right in line, the lino wasn't up with play.  Me and everyone around me saw it as offside.

There was another shortly after, carbon copy, that put them clean through that he didn't give.

Be interesting to see the goal again on the FL show. That one straight after though, I think Gaz Roberts played them on, he was late coming out after covering in the middle from an earlier attack.

[The Red Baron]

The second one wasn't offside because they were played on by Roberts. However, the one that mattered- when Hooper scored- was well offside- I was right in line. Better placed than the poseur with the flag.

He missed several in the second half as well. An atrocious performance.

I think  d'Urso and the other lino were the only two people in the ground who missed the handball.

Thank goodness we won!

[Alan Southstand]

The handball? Perhaps even you missed the 2nd one then?

[BillyStubbsTears]

The Red Baron wrote:

The second one wasn't offside because they were played on by Roberts. However, the one that mattered- when Hooper scored- was well offside- I was right in line. Better placed than the poseur with the flag.

I stopped saying things like this after a match many years ago, because TV footage often showed that the linesman got it right. Tonight's footage showed exactly that. Hird was playing Hooper just onside.

[Filo]

BillyStubbsTears wrote:

The Red Baron wrote:

The second one wasn't offside because they were played on by Roberts. However, the one that mattered- when Hooper scored- was well offside- I was right in line. Better placed than the poseur with the flag.

I stopped saying things like this after a match many years ago, because TV footage often showed that the linesman got it right. Tonight's footage showed exactly that. Hird was playing Hooper just onside.

Filo wrote:

He was n't, I was right in line with it, he was half a yard onside, Hird played him on

i_ateallthepies wrote

You should be a linesman with eyesight ligh that Filo

Maybe i`m not qualified yet to be a lino eh?  


or maybe you should be a linesman!

[RobTheRover]

Rigoglioso wrote:

I don't know whether he had fitness issues or what but he was absolutely hopeless.

Maybe the hump on his back messed with his eyesight, or summat.  Last time I saw owt like that was in 1982 in a pirate Betamax copy of The Manitou.

[The Red Baron]

BillyStubbsTears wrote:

The Red Baron wrote:

The second one wasn't offside because they were played on by Roberts. However, the one that mattered- when Hooper scored- was well offside- I was right in line. Better placed than the poseur with the flag.

I stopped saying things like this after a match many years ago, because TV footage often showed that the linesman got it right. Tonight's footage showed exactly that. Hird was playing Hooper just onside.

Sorry- but the TV coverage does not show the incident from the necessary angle. Also, if you look at Hooper he moves towards the ball and then turns away- so even if he got the other side of Hird he came from an offside position. The lino missed it because he was several yards behind play. He missed a similar one with Hayter in the second half, but that didn't lead to a goal.

The assistant in question was a Mr Michael Naylor who is being interviewed for promotion to the Football League referees list. I hope his abilities are much better with the whistle than the flag: otherwise we'll be hearing much more of him next season!

[donnievic]

Hooper was easily on side for their 1st goal,hard to see from the south stand but definatley onside seeing it on TV

[BillyStubbsTears]

The Red Baron wrote:

Sorry- but the TV coverage does not show the incident from the necessary angle. Also, if you look at Hooper he moves towards the ball and then turns away- so even if he got the other side of Hird he came from an offside position. The lino missed it because he was several yards behind play. He missed a similar one with Hayter in the second half, but that didn't lead to a goal.

The angle doesn't matter- you can use the cut lines on the grass to determine positions. I agree that Hird wasn't in shot at the moment that the ball is played, but ad he is static a fraction of a second later when the camera pans round and us clearly in a position relative to the cut lines that was closer to the goal than Hooper wad when the ball was played, I think we can safely say he was playing Hooper a foot onside.

I thought at the time that it was a very tight decision. It was and the linesman called it right. Just like they do the vast majority of the time. I wish we'd get off their backs a bit more. It's athankless, very difficult job, done superbly well fir the most part and I don't see many of the critics rushing to volunteer to replace them.

[The Red Baron]

BillyStubbsTears wrote:

The Red Baron wrote:

Sorry- but the TV coverage does not show the incident from the necessary angle. Also, if you look at Hooper he moves towards the ball and then turns away- so even if he got the other side of Hird he came from an offside position. The lino missed it because he was several yards behind play. He missed a similar one with Hayter in the second half, but that didn't lead to a goal.

The angle doesn't matter- you can use the cut lines on the grass to determine positions. I agree that Hird wasn't in shot at the moment that the ball is played, but ad he is static a fraction of a second later when the camera pans round and us clearly in a position relative to the cut lines that was closer to the goal than Hooper wad when the ball was played, I think we can safely say he was playing Hooper a foot onside.

I thought at the time that it was a very tight decision. It was and the linesman called it right. Just like they do the vast majority of the time. I wish we'd get off their backs a bit more. It's athankless, very difficult job, done superbly well fir the most part and I don't see many of the critics rushing to volunteer to replace them.

The fact that Hird (and Hooper) wasn't in shot when the ball is played is crucial. You're judging the offside call at a point after the ball had been played. Hooper started his run from goal-side of Hird, ran to be level and then broke forward. Full marks to him for clever play, but had the linesman been in a proper position he would have spotted what he did and flagged him.

I agree being a linesman is a thankless task, although I used to do quite a bit of it at a humble level and enjoyed it far more than reffing. I used to position myself slightly goal-side of the last defender, perhaps level with the back of his ankle rather than the centre of his body. I found it made spotting offsides much easier. On the other hand, if, like Mr Naylor, you were forever the other (centre-line) side of the last defender, you can easily miss the close ones.

As for the gentleman who said that he could see Hooper was onside from his position in the South Stand- I admire your visual abilities but I fear you were not in a position to judge. I was and Hooper WAS offside.

[Filo]

I was inlinewith play in the west stand, at the time i said he was n't offside and the tv footage confirms that for me, especially with the benefit of sky plus paused it the right moment. It's one of Hirds faults playing attackers onside because he has n't got the pace to keep up when an attacker gets away

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

Filo wrote:

I was inlinewith play in the west stand, at the time i said he was n't offside and the tv footage confirms that for me, especially with the benefit of sky plus paused it the right moment. It's one of Hirds faults playing attackers onside because he has n't got the pace to keep up when an attacker gets away

I agree, looked like Hird played him on.

[POD]

Scunthorpe were allowed three \"one on ones\" today and scored two of them.

At Blackpool away, they had at least three and probably more.

I just don't think we are defending properly at the moment!

Looking back earlier in the season, this didn't happen at all as we were much tighter at the back and didn't push as far up the pitch.  It's a dangerous game to play to have the back four all trying to keep in line so far up the pitch as if one doesn't quite make it then the end result is what we saw today.

[RoversAlias]

Thinwhiteduke wrote:

One in each half denied. I hope they show them both on the Football League Show but I doubt they will.

Maybe, just maybe that first half penalty deial spurred us on though?

I hate football. Martis was ridiculously poor defencively then goes on to score the match winner! Bizarre.

Aside from the second goal what did Martis do wrong at the back? Thought he played fine yesterday.

And after seeing the Scunny first goal replayed it did look as though Hird had played him onside. I'd rather Locky was playing alongside Martis tbh.

[The Shining Light]

Have not seen the highlights yet but Hayes was miles offside for their third goal, absolutely miles, cannot beleive it wasn't given.

The hand ball in the first half was also nailed on, how the linesman didn't see it let alone the referee is a mystery.

[bobjimwilly]

RoversAlias wrote:

Thinwhiteduke wrote:

One in each half denied. I hope they show them both on the Football League Show but I doubt they will.

Maybe, just maybe that first half penalty deial spurred us on though?

I hate football. Martis was ridiculously poor defencively then goes on to score the match winner! Bizarre.

Aside from the second goal what did Martis do wrong at the back? Thought he played fine yesterday.

And after seeing the Scunny first goal replayed it did look as though Hird had played him onside. I'd rather Locky was playing alongside Martis tbh.

Are you kidding about Martis yesterday? He was a liability, man. Slower thank locky on the turn, kept letting balls bounce, and takes far too long on the ball, whether it be a simple pass along the floor or a hoof up field. He needed to be the rock that Sam hird can rely on when the ball is in the air and he just wasn't. I'm not saying Sam faired much better yesterday, and to be honest I knew we were gonna let a few in when I saw the pair of them taking up the center half places, but I though Martis has a poor, poor game yesterday.

Then he went and bloody scored!  

[bobjimwilly]

The Shining Light wrote:

Have not seen the highlights yet but Hayes was miles offside for their third goal, absolutely miles, cannot beleive it wasn't given.

The hand ball in the first half was also nailed on, how the linesman didn't see it let alone the referee is a mystery.

There was a fair few hand balls all 3 officials missed yesterday defo. In fairness, they were consistently poor, giving free kicks to us aswell which never were.

I honestly can't remember a previous season where I have seen so many poor officials?  

[Boycie]

I thought Sam did well yesterday, made 1 error when a ball bounced over hin in the second half.
He made a last desperate challenge in the first half to clear the ball off the line and set up the goal for JET.
He did well last season playing along side Mills and I think he would form a good partnership with Shacks (if he returns).

[bobjimwilly]

Boycie wrote:

I thought Sam did well yesterday, made 1 error when a ball bounced over hin in the second half.
He made a last desperate challenge in the first half to clear the ball off the line and set up the goal for JET.
He did well last season playing along side Mills and I think he would form a good partnership with Shacks (if he returns).

I saw that clearance off the line also - top draw it was mucka.
Considering his relatively smaller size, I think he is a good player, but definately needs a reliable big center half alongside him (ala Matt Mills) and Im not 100% convinced yet it should be Martis  :S

[DRNaith]

At half time John Ryan asked the assessor to check all the off-side issues on the video after the game, he said he would.

[Filo]

Judge for yourself, still onside for me

[bobjimwilly]

It's blooming tight though init; through my rose tinted specs I would stick with offside.
As its so close, doesn't the linesman have to be 100% convinced it is onside to keep his flag down; ie shouldn't the benefit of the doubt be going to the defender in these situations?

[Redandwhitewhizards]

Benefit of the doubt normally goes with the attacker - from that still, it looks onside.

[Filo]

bobjimwilly wrote:

It's blooming tight though init; through my rose tinted specs I would stick with offside.
As its so close, doesn't the linesman have to be 100% convinced it is onside to keep his flag down; ie shouldn't the benefit of the doubt be going to the defender in these situations?

a lot tighter than a certain poster suggested and then went on to question my eyesight

i_ateallthepies wrote:

Scunny first goal miles offside. The west stand lino was a disgrace today

i_ateallthepies wrote:

You should be a linesman with eyesight ligh that Filo

I too was right in line, the lino wasn't up with play. Me and everyone around me saw it as offside