Gordon Brown and the\" Bigoted women\" quote

[Filo]

Well done Gordon, it just shows how out of touch \"New Labour\" are with the working class, with one quote he has lost the General Election! a hung Parliament is the best the working class can hope for now, not ideal but better than having a Tory Government!

[BillyStubbsTears]

Yet another example of us wanting our politicians to be some sort of airbrushed Icon.

You reckon no other politician has ever said anything similar in what they believe to be a private moment? You reckon David Cameron, yesterday after that nloke had torn him off a strip about Tory education policy got back in his car and said \"What a charming and decent young chap!\"?

It doesn't matter a f**king jot. The whole pressing the flesh thing is a ridiculous charade for a population that wants it's politicians to be kind, caring, compassionate. I don't want my politicians to be caring. I want them to be big f**king hitters who get on with the important stuff. Brown is clearly out of his element doing this sort of meet-the-people baloney, and this sort of thing was a disaster waiting to happen, but that does not make ANY effect whatsoever on whether he is any good as a Prime Minister. It's like saying that Alex Fergsuon is no use as a football mananger unless he can personally go down the pub, slap people on the back and get them to bhuy match tickets - the two things are totally disconnected.

I've said it before and it's more true every day: If Winston Churchill were a politician today, he would be flayed alive by the media and by our demand for somebody who \"empathises\" with us. He said things in PUBLIC that would get a politician these days the sack if they even thought them. But who cares? He was the right politician for the big decisions that were required.

[Glyn_Wigley]

It's political correctness gone mad, I tells yer!

[Pintolager]

It seems we want our politicians to be honest about things when it suits. He only called her bigoted it isn't as if he called her a stupid bitch or anything like that which is more offensive. It seems we are all getting caught up in this modern PC world even more.

My view of GB has gone up after those comments.

[bobjimwilly]

And surely he must have had a reason for calling her a bigot??  

[danrover82]

Rigoglioso wrote:

I'm delighted Gordon Brown has said that!

The imposter's time is up.

Come on for christ sake, If you listen to the broadcasts from Peter Davison and Eddie Izzard you will see how much we have come on. Granted most of this was under the Blair era, but Blairs love for Bush also lead us into two wars, which started changing the publics view every time one of our heros came off a plane in a box. Sure we didnt elect him in but we did elect in the people we trust to make the decisions and they thought Brown was the best option.

I genuinely fear for the future of this country after this years election. Clegg is a tory in a yellow tie and Cameron is Thatchers love child. One things for sure is that under any over government my son would not have had the health care he's needed and far more people and businesses would have gone to the wall during this 'Global'. Sure Brown can be a clown at times but I think he is the best option this country has for the seeable future. Although Labour may have been better placing milliband incharge before hand.

Tough times ahead me thinks

[jucyberry]

Poor bloke, I really do feel for him, after all it was a private moment, he is human and is entitled to his own thoughts..
I bet he really regrets being wired for sound...

for what it's worth, I think he was right  there was a wealth of distain in her voice when she was talking about the 'immigrants' and I'm pretty sure people who work with disabled kids don't use the word handicapped any more either.

 And who is to say that the media isn't playing us for fools with editing and the like.

Lets face it, it is manna from heaven for them isn't it?

[grayx]

I really don't understand all the fuss. Its not as if he swore or really insulted the woman. Not the best vote-winning move he's ever made,but at the end of the day if you are working class,you must VOTE LABOUR.

[Barmby Rover]

This is what Duffy said about immigration: \"All these eastern Europeans that are coming in - where are they flocking from?\" Beyond the fact that she has answered her own question, this statement is profoundly problematic. This sort of talk about immigrants has become more and more acceptable, but we would do well to remind ourselves that it is not acceptable to use animal or geographic metaphors about immigrants. Talk of 'flocks' and 'swamps' serve to cement a sense of immigrants being 'the other'. They are not so different to us. They marry us, drink beer with us, work with us and live side by side with us.

She is a bigot. Pathetic little englander issues that only the BNP seem to percieve as a threat. If the woman could open her eyes to the wider world and see that the problems that we have are reflected in EVERY country throughout the world in one form or another.It is always very easy to blame the person who doesn't fit your model, it takes a big person to see that they have their problems too, and that there is no need to add to that. Her other criticism was that nothing is being done about the money we have pumped into the banks. Anybody click onto the fact that Lloyds TSB are moving into profit? We get 40+% of that to start paying off debts with, and if the government eventually sells it will gain an enormous profit. Maybe he wasn't just throwing money away?

[Boomstick]

BillyStubbsTears wrote:

Yet another example of us wanting our politicians to be some sort of airbrushed Icon.

You reckon no other politician has ever said anything similar in what they believe to be a private moment? You reckon David Cameron, yesterday after that nloke had torn him off a strip about Tory education policy got back in his car and said \"What a charming and decent young chap!\"?

It doesn't matter a fcuking jot. The whole pressing the flesh thing is a ridiculous charade for a population that wants it's politicians to be kind, caring, compassionate. I don't want my politicians to be caring. I want them to be big fcuking hitters who get on with the important stuff. Brown is clearly out of his element doing this sort of meet-the-people baloney, and this sort of thing was a disaster waiting to happen, but that does not make ANY effect whatsoever on whether he is any good as a Prime Minister. It's like saying that Alex Fergsuon is no use as a football mananger unless he can personally go down the pub, slap people on the back and get them to bhuy match tickets - the two things are totally disconnected.

I've said it before and it's more true every day: If Winston Churchill were politician today, he would be flayed alive by the media and by our demand for somebody who \"empathises\" with us. He said things in PUBLIC that would get a politician these days the sack if they even thought them. But who cares? He was the right politician for the big decisions that were required.

But it was just the other day when you were talking Cameron down for a quote you didnt even hear him finish, when you lost your radio signal or something. I think you said something about possibly losing the election because of what he said/did not say after you stopped listening .
Make your mind up. If a labour candidate does it its all ok, they are only human bla bla bla. But if a Tory candidate does it then he's blown the election.
Get over it, the best Labour can hope for is a hung parliament. You only have to look at the election poll on this website, where the people of Doncaster (mostly) have voted in favour of the Conservatives. Yes Doncaster, a place where only ten years ago Myra Hindley would be voted in if she wore a red rose.
The people have had enough, they will vote for who they want.

[Boomstick]

grayx wrote:

I really don't understand all the fuss. Its not as if he swore or really insulted the woman. Not the best vote-winning move he's ever made,but at the end of the day if you are working class,you must VOTE LABOUR.

What a complete backwards post. This isnt the 70's. Take the time to have a look at the 3 main party manifesto's. Have a look at what you like/ dislike which has happened over the last ten years,look at your personal circumstances, look at the country as a whole, and compare them to the manifesto's.
I'm not saying who to vote for, just give it more thought than that.
'im working class so i'm voting labour' is just crazy.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Boomstick wrote:

You only have to look at the election poll on this website, where the people of Doncaster (mostly) have voted in favour of the Conservatives.

You really don't get this statistics thing do you?

Edit: By the way, I couldn't agree more with you over your last post. If only more people would give the whole process some thought.

There was a poll last week after the Leaders' Debate. Brown came first on \"who seemed most Prime Ministerial?\" and \"who dealt with the issues best?\" He came last on \"Who would you vote for?\" Go figure, as they say...

[Boomstick]

BillyStubbsTears wrote:

Boomstick wrote:

You only have to look at the election poll on this website, where the people of Doncaster (mostly) have voted in favour of the Conservatives.

You really don't get this statistics thing do you?

Edit: By the way, I couldn't agree more with you over your last post. If only more people would give the whole process some thought.

There was a poll last week after the Leaders' Debate. Brown came first on \"who seemed most Prime Ministerial?\" and \"who dealt with the issues best?\" He came last on \"Who would you vote for?\" Go figure, as they say...

I said most people on here are from Doncaster, not most people on here have voted in favour of conservative.
Perhaps I should have used better punctuation. But then i'm not an airbrushed icon either.  

[BobG]

The whole thing is just pathetic. Who would ever want to be a politician? we are, I'm sorry to say, following, yet again, in the footsteps of our trans Atlantic cousins where the really bright boys and girls don't even think about entering politics.

From what I saw of the bigot, she was, and is a bigot! I hope he refuses to apologise at all. That'd be pandering to the common herd. Just like Billy says, leaders should damn well lead!

BobG

[DonnyBazR0ver]

Whatever Browns comments were, it's another example how most politicians are out of tough, in fact don't care a hoot about Joe Bloggs in the street. Their agenda is all about self interest and lining their own pockets at our expense.

There's little to choose between any of the parties and none of them seem to be capable of tacking the issues that really matter. They just go through the pantomime of points scoring.

Brown just proved he should not be in office and had the audacity to complain that his 'people' put him in a difficult situation.

Party politics is dead ! Have your say by not voting at all !!

[Dagenham Rover]

Barmby Rover wrote:

Anybody click onto the fact that Lloyds TSB are moving into profit? We get 40+% of that to start paying off debts with, and if the government eventually sells it will gain an enormous profit. Maybe he wasn't just throwing money away?

[/b]

One of the reasons they are going back into profit is because  they now own the Halifax and are quite happily closing down the small village/community Halifax branch's down whilst keeping town centre  branch's  open that are with 100yds of each other, something about the agreement with TSB if I remember rightly,
They should look in there own backyard first so to speak.
Sorry mate but I'm not going any further cos I know too much on that one.

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

Am I the only one who thinks maybe she has a point?  I spend a lot of time with foreign students.  These students are favoured because they bring in more money.  Next year university places will drop at my uni, the number of EU and non-EU students will increase.  Just look at courses like medicine.  Full of foreigners.  Is that because they're more intelligent, or because foreigners pay for medicine and UK students don't?

And some of these foreign students thoughts on towns like Doncaster are not nice at all.  About time we looked after our own for a change.

[BillyStubbsTears]

DonnyBazR0ver wrote:

Whatever Browns comments were, it's another example how most politicians are out of tough, in fact don't care a hoot about Joe Bloggs in the street. Their agenda is all about self interest and lining their own pockets at our expense.

There's little to choose between any of the parties and none of them seem to be capable of tacking the issues that really matter. They just go through the pantomime of points scoring.

Brown just proved he should not be in office and had the audacity to complain that his 'people' put him in a difficult situation.

Party politics is dead ! Have your say by not voting at all !!

I'll tell you how Brown has given a hoot for the Joe Bloggs. By being the Chancellor who gave us the longest spell of stable, sensible economic growth that anyone alive has ever seen. By being the Chancellor that presided over an era when our economic performance outstripped Germany and France for the first time in 50 years. That's why unemployment has been lower than for a generation. That's why (on average) our standard of living is far higher than it was in 1997. That's why the money has been available to transform the NHS. That's why money has been available to give our kids decent school buildings.

THAT's what I want my politicians to do. I do not give a flying f**k whether they peel babbies, roll them in salt and eat them skewered on a cocktail stick in private, as long as they do the job of running the f**king country.

[BobG]

Baz - why the dickens should any politician 'care about Joe Bloggs in the street'? I accapet, of course, that millions of Joe bloggs' equals the electorate and that therefore, en mass, of course they should care about them. But one single deluded individual? For goodness sake! Men like Brown have, by the very nature of their jobs to deal with massive, massive complex problems. They have decent intellects as well. why on earth should they spend time listening, being polite, mouth platitudes to cretins like certain individual Jo Bloggs'? Persoanlly, I wish he'd told her to f**k off and shut up until she grew a brain.

Cheers

BobG

[BillyStubbsTears]

big fat yorkshire pudding wrote:

Am I the only one who thinks maybe she has a point?  I spend a lot of time with foreign students.  These students are favoured because they bring in more money.  Next year university places will drop at my uni, the number of EU and non-EU students will increase.  Just look at courses like medicine.  Full of foreigners.  Is that because they're more intelligent, or because foreigners pay for medicine and UK students don't?

And some of these foreign students thoughts on towns like Doncaster are not nice at all.  About time we looked after our own for a change.

Want the hard truth? Sounds illogical but it's 100% true. The overseas students do NOT take the place of our home students. The foreign students actually subsidise our home students. They pay FAR more than the average cost per student. If we cut back on foreign student numbers, one of three things happens:

1) Taxes go up to cover the gap
2) Student fees go up to cover the gap
3) Student places for home students go DOWN because many universities (or at least Departments) will become financially unviable and close.

[Dagenham Rover]

BillyStubbsTears wrote:

DonnyBazR0ver wrote:

Whatever Browns comments were, it's another example how most politicians are out of tough, in fact don't care a hoot about Joe Bloggs in the street. Their agenda is all about self interest and lining their own pockets at our expense.

There's little to choose between any of the parties and none of them seem to be capable of tacking the issues that really matter. They just go through the pantomime of points scoring.

Brown just proved he should not be in office and had the audacity to complain that his 'people' put him in a difficult situation.

Party politics is dead ! Have your say by not voting at all !!

I'll tell you how Brown has given a hoot for the Joe Bloggs. By being the Chancellor who gave us the longest spell of stable, sensible economic growth that anyone alive has ever seen. By being the Chancellor that presided over an era when our economic performance outstripped Germany and France for the first time in 50 years. That's why unemployment has been lower than for a generation. That's why (on average) our standard of living is far higher than it was in 1997. That's why the money has been available to transform the NHS. That's why money has been available to give our kids decent school buildings.

THAT's what I want my politicians to do. I do not give a flying fcuk whether they peel babbies, roll them in salt and eat them skewered on a cocktail stick in private, as long as they do the job of running the fcuking country.

Frigging Brilliant fella  

BST for PM

[BillyStubbsTears]

Barmby Rover wrote:

This is what Duffy said about immigration: \"All these eastern Europeans that are coming in - where are they flocking from?\" Beyond the fact that she has answered her own question, this statement is profoundly problematic. This sort of talk about immigrants has become more and more acceptable, but we would do well to remind ourselves that it is not acceptable to use animal or geographic metaphors about immigrants. Talk of 'flocks' and 'swamps' serve to cement a sense of immigrants being 'the other'. They are not so different to us. They marry us, drink beer with us, work with us and live side by side with us.

She is a bigot. Pathetic little englander issues that only the BNP seem to percieve as a threat. If the woman could open her eyes to the wider world and see that the problems that we have are reflected in EVERY country throughout the world in one form or another.It is always very easy to blame the person who doesn't fit your model, it takes a big person to see that they have their problems too, and that there is no need to add to that. Her other criticism was that nothing is being done about the money we have pumped into the banks. Anybody click onto the fact that Lloyds TSB are moving into profit? We get 40+% of that to start paying off debts with, and if the government eventually sells it will gain an enormous profit. Maybe he wasn't just throwing money away?

Barmby. Excellent points. Speaking as the son-in-law of a bloke who came over the England from Italy, I know for a fact that he had to deal with people who called him \"Wop\", asked how many reverse gears his car had etc. And he was worth 50 of any of them.

And here's the irony. That woman who was complaining about \"foreigners\" coming \"flocking\" over here is called \"Duffy\". Which presumably means that her forefathers (or her husband's) came over the Irish Sea seeking work. Funny old world int it?

[RobTheRover]

I found a bit more respect for Gordon Brown today than I had yesterday.  He showed that he cares passionately about these issues, as if he didnt he wouldnt have batted an eyelid at the old girls racist views.  Thats the kind of PM I want.

He may have to do the soundbites and walk the smiley/nodding/handshaking line right now, but the fire burns bright behind it all.

[Snods Shinpad 2]

The whole episode was surreal. At one point outside the old dears house they were broadcasting live to all the English news channels, CNN, FoxNews in the US and Al Jazeera. The poor old moo had only planned on popping out for a loaf of bread.

[jucyberry]

You know, the whole 'they come over and steal our jobs' crap really pees me off, it always has...

why is it when a brit emigrates they are doing something to improve their lot, adding to the econony of the new home ect, yet when people excersise that same right and come here they are stealing 'our' jobs homes ect?

I can tell you, I have never had any one steal my home ...Have you?

I can't bear bigots. Poor buggers want to get on in life and to be honest, I always wonder who of those who moan loudest would do the low paid jobs that people from other countries are happy to take. That is the reason so many English are on the dole.. they are so bloody picky.

so I say Bravo Gordon.

[RobTheRover]

I knew I'd seen her before.......

Mrs Duffy





Mrs Brady, Old Lady (from Viz)

[BillyStubbsTears]

jucyberry wrote:

I can't bear bigots. Poor buggers want to get on in life and to be honest, I always wonder who of those who moan loudest would do the low paid jobs that people from other countries are happy to take. That is the reason so many English are on the dole.. they are so bloody picky.

so I say Bravo Gordon.

And THAT is one of the most intelligent comments I have heard in the whole of the Election Campaign.

That is the truth of the issue. That has ALWAYS been what immigrants do - they come over prepared to graft in the jobs that the \"indigenous\" people are either too idle to do or think are beneath them. That's why you've had Poles tatie-picking and working as building labourers. That's why you've had Indians and Pakistanis working 15 hours a day, 365 days a year in corner shops, or as bus drivers. That's why my mother's grandparents came over to work as navvies and pit-top labourers.

Immigrants have always done this sort of thing. They re-vitalise economies. They bring new energy and abilities and they make the \"indigienous\" population have to re-assess their outlook on life and work a bit harder. Not all of them of course - there are scroungers and spongers in every group. But predominantly that's what the effect is.

But it's absolutely the thing that no politicians can say.

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

BillyStubbsTears wrote:

big fat yorkshire pudding wrote:

Am I the only one who thinks maybe she has a point?  I spend a lot of time with foreign students.  These students are favoured because they bring in more money.  Next year university places will drop at my uni, the number of EU and non-EU students will increase.  Just look at courses like medicine.  Full of foreigners.  Is that because they're more intelligent, or because foreigners pay for medicine and UK students don't?

And some of these foreign students thoughts on towns like Doncaster are not nice at all.  About time we looked after our own for a change.

Want the hard truth? Sounds illogical but it's 100% true. The overseas students do NOT take the place of our home students. The foreign students actually subsidise our home students. They pay FAR more than the average cost per student. If we cut back on foreign student numbers, one of three things happens:

1) Taxes go up to cover the gap
2) Student fees go up to cover the gap
3) Student places for home students go DOWN because many universities (or at least Departments) will become financially unviable and close.

That is the fact I'm trying to make why are foreign students paying money getting preferential treatment?  That surely is not right?  These are students who in some cases can't speak English and sometimes don't even bother to do work as they know they'll get a decent grade for doing not alot (the uni's can't afford to kick them out).  Maybe if universities stopped wasting money on things, we wouldn't be in this situation.

I have some figures here about the number of foreign students who disappear on arrival in the UK too.  But I can't show them to anyone, I'd be breaking the law.

[CusworthRovers]

It would be interesting to see what would happen if you had to give a reasonable sound debate/pointers when casting your vote, otherwise your vote would be nullified. It would be interesting to see who would get in then on an educated vote, and if in time, they would withdraw the vote from the masses, as we were not worthy enough. I obviously include myself in this.

I was always told by my dad, and to put it bluntly/politely, he's as thick as f**k and as only ever known the Mines, the WMC and his dinner......it doesn't matter who you vote for these days as they are all the same and their policies never reach us at our level of society

[Bentley Bullet]

I suspect that if the the conversation between Brown and Mrs Duffy had been reversed, and he'd said what she'd said, then she would now be a national hero for calling HIM a bigot!