BUYING SUCCESS!

[northbayviking]

Todays cup Final.
The MORAL HIGH GROUND.
Chelsea bankrolled to the tune of millions of pounds by one Russian.
Portsmouth - Small club -BIG CHEATS! spending £135M to buy players that they cant afford!
who will WIN the CUP - WHO CARES!
DONCASTER ROVERS (12th in championship)
DOES anyone know how much we have spent on A the current signed squad. B the squad including players with offers and C How much in total transfer fees the last 5 years.
THE ANSWER- NOT MUCH or by footballing standards - PEANUTS.
lets see:-A,:- Copps 35k Deano 160k Stock 150k Jimmy 130k who else?
B, Hayter 200k
C Mills 300k Heffs 100k who else? -does it matter? = not much.
IT JUST GOES TO SHOW -TRUST IN SOD & JR, what we have achieved in buying our success is remarkable in this day and age.
The recession should force other clubs to reduce costs to make a fairer playing field for Us.
Is this happening? Certainly not with Barnsley and Derby!!
DO CHEATS prosper?
What do you think?
A least we hold the MORAL HIGH GROUND and wont go bust!
DISCUSS.

[idler]

I totally agree. Look at the teams below us. There are some big names there that have spent a fortune.
Forest have spent millions and are still in the same division.
If we had spent half as much as some of our rivals with our income we would have been bankrupt by now.
I'm as disappointed as anyone over Shacks and Roberts but we've got our season tickets and whatever happens there will be some big clubs below us next season, Wednesday and Southampton for a start. Just imagine being an owl this close season, they haven't much to look forward to although I hope they come back up next season. Mind you looking at how long it took Forest and Leeds to come back it might not be easy.

[topnotch_Donny]

northbayviking wrote:

Todays cup Final.
The MORAL HIGH GROUND.
Chelsea bankrolled to the tune of millions of pounds by one Russian.
Portsmouth - Small club -BIG CHEATS! spending £135M to buy players that they cant afford!
who will WIN the CUP - WHO CARES!
DONCASTER ROVERS (12th in championship)
DOES anyone know how much we have spent on A the current signed squad. B the squad including players with offers and C How much in total transfer fees the last 5 years.
THE ANSWER- NOT MUCH or by footballing standards - PEANUTS.
lets see:-A,:- Copps 35k Deano 160k Stock 150k Jimmy 130k who else?
B, Hayter 200k
C Mills 300k Heffs 100k who else? -does it matter? = not much.
IT JUST GOES TO SHOW -TRUST IN SOD & JR, what we have achieved in buying our success is remarkable in this day and age.
The recession should force other clubs to reduce costs to make a fairer playing field for Us.
Is this happening? Certainly not with Barnsley and Derby!!
DO CHEATS prosper?
What do you think?
A least we hold the MORAL HIGH GROUND and wont go bust!
DISCUSS.

This is why I am so proud to be a Rover, ever since John Ryan took over that is. Under John Ryan’s reign, we have always tried to do the right thing, from playing football the right and proper way, to paying our creditors on time. I just hope JR’s predecessor is of the same ilk as John.

Thanks to John and now the KM2, we are in the black. Just think john spent sh1t loads on Rovers before the KM2 came onboard. I think John spent something in the region of, £7-9 million of his own cash that is quite remarkable especially as he’s wealth isn’t billions.

If you take into account the huge deficit a season we are operating at, due mainly to the rent and player wages, it shows what vast amounts of hard cash the 3 on the board are pumping into the club annually

Wagers are the biggest killer for relatively small clubs. You look (in your post) at the low transfer fees I.e. …300k for our record fee, Matty mills; however, you can’t over look the wage bill as that shows the bigger picture of expenses.

Our wage bill was around £3million in league one, if my mind serves me correct. Amazingly, the bill is now over £6 million and allegedly it is due to rise over the £7 million mark in the summer, quite astonishing really.

We are operating at something like £3 million loss a year, so in three years (at this level and considering the inflation) we could be £10 million in debt if it wasn’t for our board. This coupled with the £7-9 million John Ryan had previously spent, we could have been £20 million in debt now \"easily\" without John and the KM2, and that figure of debt would be from just living like how we have been doing.

It just shows you what JR & the KM2 are doing for this football club. Without them, we would struggle to hold our own and break even in league two unless we took a risk and borrowed, and then we to would be called cheats if it failed.

My point is, clubs have to take the risk and borrow if they haven’t got the capital. We are so lucky because our board plug the gap, and we can all relax in the knowledge that our club, for the medium term, is save as houses, and that my friends is thanks to our incredible board.

Thank you John, Terry and Dick  

[Wellred]

Pass the bucket I think I am going to be sick.

[rover-n-out]

Amen to that Topnotch, long may it remain.

[rover-n-out]

As 'cheesy' as Topnotch's post may sound Wellred, you can't deny cold hard facts.

Take our benefactors away from the Rovers, and we'd all be looking for new ways to spend Sat'di afternoons. That's undeniable.

[Wild Rover]

topnotch_Donny wrote:

northbayviking wrote:

Todays cup Final.
The MORAL HIGH GROUND.
Chelsea bankrolled to the tune of millions of pounds by one Russian.
Portsmouth - Small club -BIG CHEATS! spending £135M to buy players that they cant afford!
who will WIN the CUP - WHO CARES!
DONCASTER ROVERS (12th in championship)
DOES anyone know how much we have spent on A the current signed squad. B the squad including players with offers and C How much in total transfer fees the last 5 years.
THE ANSWER- NOT MUCH or by footballing standards - PEANUTS.
lets see:-A,:- Copps 35k Deano 160k Stock 150k Jimmy 130k who else?
B, Hayter 200k
C Mills 300k Heffs 100k who else? -does it matter? = not much.
IT JUST GOES TO SHOW -TRUST IN SOD & JR, what we have achieved in buying our success is remarkable in this day and age.
The recession should force other clubs to reduce costs to make a fairer playing field for Us.
Is this happening? Certainly not with Barnsley and Derby!!
DO CHEATS prosper?
What do you think?
A least we hold the MORAL HIGH GROUND and wont go bust!
DISCUSS.

This is why I am so proud to be a Rover, ever since John Ryan took over that is. Under John Ryan’s reign, we have always tried to do the right thing, from playing football the right and proper way, to paying our creditors on time. I just hope JR’s predecessor is of the same ilk as John.

Thanks to John and now the KM2, we are in the black. Just think john spent sh1t loads on Rovers before the KM2 came onboard. I think John spent something in the region of, £7-9 million of his own cash that is quite remarkable especially as he’s wealth isn’t billions.

If you take into account the huge deficit a season we are operating at, due mainly to the rent and player wages, it shows what vast amounts of hard cash the 3 on the board are pumping into the club annually

Wagers are the biggest killer for relatively small clubs. You look (in your post) at the low transfer fees I.e. …300k for our record fee, Matty mills; however, you can’t over look the wage bill as that shows the bigger picture of expenses.

Our wage bill was around £3million in league one, if my mind serves me correct. Amazingly, the bill is now over £6 million and allegedly it is due to rise over the £7 million mark in the summer, quite astonishing really.

We are operating at something like £3 million loss a year, so in three years (at this level and considering the inflation) we could be £10 million in debt if it wasn’t for our board. This coupled with the £7-9 million John Ryan had previously spent, we could have been £20 million in debt now \"easily\" without John and the KM2, and that figure of debt would be from just living like how we have been doing.

It just shows you what JR & the KM2 are doing for this football club. Without them, we would struggle to hold our own and break even in league two unless we took a risk and borrowed, and then we to would be called cheats if it failed.

My point is, clubs have to take the risk and borrow if they haven’t got the capital. We are so lucky because our board plug the gap, and we can all relax in the knowledge that our club, for the medium term, is save as houses, and that my friends is thanks to our incredible board.

Thank you John, Terry and Dick  

Can i just remind you John Ryan got 2/3 of his money back when KM2 came on board, and the money they are putting into the club is in share issues, so its far from dead money, eventually some rich Arab or Russian or Chinease or some nationality will buy DRFC and the 3 will get a more than ample return on their \"Investment\". Also never forget, the money the three have to put in the club is because they set \"Salaries and transfer payments and squad size\" so its self perpetuating.

[topnotch_Donny]

Wild Rover wrote:

topnotch_Donny wrote:

northbayviking wrote:

Todays cup Final.
The MORAL HIGH GROUND.
Chelsea bankrolled to the tune of millions of pounds by one Russian.
Portsmouth - Small club -BIG CHEATS! spending £135M to buy players that they cant afford!
who will WIN the CUP - WHO CARES!
DONCASTER ROVERS (12th in championship)
DOES anyone know how much we have spent on A the current signed squad. B the squad including players with offers and C How much in total transfer fees the last 5 years.
THE ANSWER- NOT MUCH or by footballing standards - PEANUTS.
lets see:-A,:- Copps 35k Deano 160k Stock 150k Jimmy 130k who else?
B, Hayter 200k
C Mills 300k Heffs 100k who else? -does it matter? = not much.
IT JUST GOES TO SHOW -TRUST IN SOD & JR, what we have achieved in buying our success is remarkable in this day and age.
The recession should force other clubs to reduce costs to make a fairer playing field for Us.
Is this happening? Certainly not with Barnsley and Derby!!
DO CHEATS prosper?
What do you think?
A least we hold the MORAL HIGH GROUND and wont go bust!
DISCUSS.

This is why I am so proud to be a Rover, ever since John Ryan took over that is. Under John Ryan’s reign, we have always tried to do the right thing, from playing football the right and proper way, to paying our creditors on time. I just hope JR’s predecessor is of the same ilk as John.

Thanks to John and now the KM2, we are in the black. Just think john spent sh1t loads on Rovers before the KM2 came onboard. I think John spent something in the region of, £7-9 million of his own cash that is quite remarkable especially as he’s wealth isn’t billions.

If you take into account the huge deficit a season we are operating at, due mainly to the rent and player wages, it shows what vast amounts of hard cash the 3 on the board are pumping into the club annually

Wagers are the biggest killer for relatively small clubs. You look (in your post) at the low transfer fees I.e. …300k for our record fee, Matty mills; however, you can’t over look the wage bill as that shows the bigger picture of expenses.

Our wage bill was around £3million in league one, if my mind serves me correct. Amazingly, the bill is now over £6 million and allegedly it is due to rise over the £7 million mark in the summer, quite astonishing really.

We are operating at something like £3 million loss a year, so in three years (at this level and considering the inflation) we could be £10 million in debt if it wasn’t for our board. This coupled with the £7-9 million John Ryan had previously spent, we could have been £20 million in debt now \"easily\" without John and the KM2, and that figure of debt would be from just living like how we have been doing.

It just shows you what JR & the KM2 are doing for this football club. Without them, we would struggle to hold our own and break even in league two unless we took a risk and borrowed, and then we to would be called cheats if it failed.

My point is, clubs have to take the risk and borrow if they haven’t got the capital. We are so lucky because our board plug the gap, and we can all relax in the knowledge that our club, for the medium term, is save as houses, and that my friends is thanks to our incredible board.

Thank you John, Terry and Dick  

Can i just remind you John Ryan got 2/3 of his money back when KM2 came on board, and the money they are putting into the club is in share issues, so its far from dead money, eventually some rich Arab or Russian or Chinease or some nationality will buy DRFC and the 3 will get a more than ample return on their \"Investment\". Also never forget, the money the three have to put in the club is because they set \"Salaries and transfer payments and squad size\" so its self perpetuating.

John Ryan still took the risk and ploughed in Millions though. It could quite easily have gone wrong, and we also could have ended up with another crook, but we got a great man incharge, and I hope he does make a profit when its time for him to step down.

And what are the chances of us getting taken over by some billionaire? Unless we get to the prem, there isn’t a cat in hells chance that some big consortium will come in and take over. However, Maybe now the parachute payment has been increased, the goal posts may have been moved and more investment might be injected to try and get in the prem and have a slice of the cake.

At the end of the day, we are being bankrolled, so no one can really moan, but some still do which amazes me. Some people have very short memories or weren’t fans just over a decade ago otherwise, why moan when you’ve seen bad times like we have .

The board are helping the club, not destroying it like a lot of chairmen out there do to clubs. If I was chairmen, and I  saw all of the moaning, I would pull out and invest in something else. After all, there are better ways to invest than football clubs!

Also remember that JR & co have families, so they will want to leave them well off. For example, John Ryan has three daughters, doesn’t he? Just because these men are multi millionaires, doesn’t mean they are going to blow it all, and they are also trying to build the club up slowly. More risk may come in the future. Back the board like they’ve backed the club  

And Wellred, did you find a bucket to puke in? I hope it had a hole in it  

[JonWallsend]

topnotch_Donny wrote:

This is why I am so proud to be a Rover, ever since John Ryan took over that is. Under John Ryan’s reign, we have always tried to do the right thing, from playing football the right and proper way, to paying our creditors on time. I just hope JR’s predecessor is of the same ilk as John.

I'm not certain, but I've some vague recollecton that he wasn't quite as principled.  B)

[topnotch_Donny]

JonWallsend wrote:

topnotch_Donny wrote:

This is why I am so proud to be a Rover, ever since John Ryan took over that is. Under John Ryan’s reign, we have always tried to do the right thing, from playing football the right and proper way, to paying our creditors on time. I just hope JR’s predecessor is of the same ilk as John.

I'm not certain, but I've some vague recollecton that he wasn't quite as principled.  B)

Thanks for pointing that out  :S It Should have been, successor.

And I think you meant recollection  

[JonWallsend]

I think you're right.

[Lesonthewest]

topnotch_Donny wrote:

northbayviking wrote:

Todays cup Final.
The MORAL HIGH GROUND.
Chelsea bankrolled to the tune of millions of pounds by one Russian.
Portsmouth - Small club -BIG CHEATS! spending £135M to buy players that they cant afford!
who will WIN the CUP - WHO CARES!
DONCASTER ROVERS (12th in championship)
DOES anyone know how much we have spent on A the current signed squad. B the squad including players with offers and C How much in total transfer fees the last 5 years.
THE ANSWER- NOT MUCH or by footballing standards - PEANUTS.
lets see:-A,:- Copps 35k Deano 160k Stock 150k Jimmy 130k who else?
B, Hayter 200k
C Mills 300k Heffs 100k who else? -does it matter? = not much.
IT JUST GOES TO SHOW -TRUST IN SOD & JR, what we have achieved in buying our success is remarkable in this day and age.
The recession should force other clubs to reduce costs to make a fairer playing field for Us.
Is this happening? Certainly not with Barnsley and Derby!!
DO CHEATS prosper?
What do you think?
A least we hold the MORAL HIGH GROUND and wont go bust!
DISCUSS.

This is why I am so proud to be a Rover, ever since John Ryan took over that is. Under John Ryan’s reign, we have always tried to do the right thing, from playing football the right and proper way, to paying our creditors on time. I just hope JR’s predecessor is of the same ilk as John.

Thanks to John and now the KM2, we are in the black. Just think john spent sh1t loads on Rovers before the KM2 came onboard. I think John spent something in the region of, £7-9 million of his own cash that is quite remarkable especially as he’s wealth isn’t billions.

If you take into account the huge deficit a season we are operating at, due mainly to the rent and player wages, it shows what vast amounts of hard cash the 3 on the board are pumping into the club annually

Wagers are the biggest killer for relatively small clubs. You look (in your post) at the low transfer fees I.e. …300k for our record fee, Matty mills; however, you can’t over look the wage bill as that shows the bigger picture of expenses.

Our wage bill was around £3million in league one, if my mind serves me correct. Amazingly, the bill is now over £6 million and allegedly it is due to rise over the £7 million mark in the summer, quite astonishing really.

We are operating at something like £3 million loss a year, so in three years (at this level and considering the inflation) we could be £10 million in debt if it wasn’t for our board. This coupled with the £7-9 million John Ryan had previously spent, we could have been £20 million in debt now \"easily\" without John and the KM2, and that figure of debt would be from just living like how we have been doing.

It just shows you what JR & the KM2 are doing for this football club. Without them, we would struggle to hold our own and break even in league two unless we took a risk and borrowed, and then we to would be called cheats if it failed.

My point is, clubs have to take the risk and borrow if they haven’t got the capital. We are so lucky because our board plug the gap, and we can all relax in the knowledge that our club, for the medium term, is save as houses, and that my friends is thanks to our incredible board.

Thank you John, Terry and Dick  

That is a top top post. Totally agree with it all. If some clubs want to pay over inflated fees/wages for what are no more than average players, then let them.

[graingrover]

The next step  in the JR KM2 strategy has to be to buy the stadium. That would provide the perfect platform for a bidder to come  and buy DRFC ( in a few years time). That must be the ultimate 'final curtain' scenario for all three individual investors.

[Wellred]

and until that happens then the KM2 will never put any substantial amounts of money into DRFC

[RobTheRover]

They've already put more than I'll ever earn in my lifetime, so define substantial.

Do we want a team of overpaid primadonas at a risk of ruining the club, or do we want decent players with potential who are hungry to develop and succeed?

[Wellred]

As a percentage of personal wealth it could be argued that many supporters have put in a higher percentage maybe.
Or should I say a substantial amount of their income has been spent on DRFC

[graingrover]

but the investment doesn't disappear when it is paid into Rovers because it is always made by increasing the share capital so is recoverable by sale of the shares . To attract a takeover buyer of Rovers it seems logical to use the current property experience of KM2 and the PR communicative skills of JR vis à vis the Mayor to accomplish the purchase of the stadium. That would really make DRFC an attractive proposition, especially if it had planning permission to extend the facility embedded !

[Wellred]

graingrover wrote:

but the investment doesn't disappear when it is paid into Rovers because it is always made by increasing the share capital so is recoverable by sale of the shares . To attract a takeover buyer of Rovers it seems logical to use the current property experience of KM2 and the PR communicative skills of JR vis à vis the Mayor to accomplish the purchase of the stadium. That would really make DRFC an attractive proposition, especially if it had planning permission to extend the facility embedded !

Exactly. I will never be able to recover the substantial amount of money I have put into DRFC, the same cannot necessarily be said of the current directors.

[topnotch_Donny]

graingrover wrote:

but the investment doesn't disappear when it is paid into Rovers because it is always made by increasing the share capital so is recoverable by sale of the shares . To attract a takeover buyer of Rovers it seems logical to use the current property experience of KM2 and the PR communicative skills of JR vis à vis the Mayor to accomplish the purchase of the stadium. That would really make DRFC an attractive proposition, especially if it had planning permission to extend the facility embedded !

But if Rovers chairmen wanted to sell their (complete shares after buying the KMS) you are talking about £50-100 to buy full shares in Rovers, and there’s plenty of clubs out there to be bought (with infrastructure in place) so our board have no chance of making the club sellable unless we reach the prem, and that‘s all good but it‘s going to get tougher to get into the prem in the medium term, what with the new parachute payments taking affect next term.

So why would anyone buy Rovers? I think we are getting a bit giddy because some Arabs are taking interest in (the top flight clubs). If we take our blinkers off, we will see and be satisfied with what the club is doing already; however, fans will always moan, even if we were in the champions’ league in four years time. This is why I am glad the board don’t take any notice of the fans that think we should be splashing millions on transfer fees.

[BobG]

I can't for the life of me think of a single reason why any billionaire would even cast a glance at DRFC. Why would he/she? What would he/she get for their money? A tiny stadium. Tiny crowds. No history. Not much potential to increase the crowds given the proximity of so many other clubs. The only way he's he would see any monetray return would bt to take the significant riosk if ploughing in vast amounts of money first and then crossing their fingers. Who'd do that when you could buy Southampton? Norwich? Ipswich? Leeds? Wednesday? Even buying Blades would be less of a risk.

Dream world.

And hey Wellred. The day you say something positsive I really am going to break open that bottle of bubbly I've got hidden away.

Cheers

BobG

[Wellred]

Bloody hell I put the bucket away once, do I have to get it out again.

[topnotch_Donny]

Wellred wrote:

Bloody hell I put the bucket away once, do I have to get it out again.

Very constructive, I take it you cant refute?

[Wellred]

BobG wrote:

I can't for the life of me think of a single reason why any billionaire would even cast a glance at DRFC. Why would he/she? What would he/she get for their money? A tiny stadium. Tiny crowds. No history. Not much potential to increase the crowds given the proximity of so many other clubs. The only way he's he would see any monetray return would bt to take the significant riosk if ploughing in vast amounts of money first and then crossing their fingers. Who'd do that when you could buy Southampton? Norwich? Ipswich? Leeds? Wednesday? Even buying Blades would be less of a risk.

Dream world.

And hey Wellred. The day you say something positsive I really am going to break open that bottle of bubbly I've got hidden away.

Cheers

BobG

Many apologies Bob G I forgot that discussions are not allowed on the forum unless they are 100% positive or unless they agree with your opinion.

[Wellred]

topnotch_Donny wrote:

Wellred wrote:

Bloody hell I put the bucket away once, do I have to get it out again.

Very constructive, I take it you cant refute?

OK would you like to point out to me where I ever suggested that the directors should be splashing out any kind of money at all on signing players?

If you can't find it maybe Bob G could try and find where I said it as well.

[topnotch_Donny]

Wellred wrote:

topnotch_Donny wrote:

Wellred wrote:

Bloody hell I put the bucket away once, do I have to get it out again.

Very constructive, I take it you cant refute?

OK would you like to point out to me where I ever suggested that the directors should be splashing out any kind of money at all on signing players?

If you can't find it maybe Bob G could try and find where I said it as well.

I may be wrong, but you have moaned and groaned and questioned the club/board for not splashing out, before?

Forgive me if I am wrong, but I am sure you have done in the past?

[BobG]

There you go. Defending the indefensible again

And I entirely fail to see the point of your last comment. I have not, ever, criticised your views on money and player signings. I simply dislsike your perpetual and incessant negativity - which, I think you could perhaps see, was the point I made above.

Cheers

BobG

[idler]

I try to look positively at everything the club do and say sometimes it's hard but I still think that I'm a realist.
Someone else, more cynical or pessimistic looks at the same scenario and posts negatively.
The reality of the topic hasn't changed it's just the way people interpret it. 'Twas always so and always will be.
We all know how posters submit on a regular basis and where most fit on a scale of optimism/pessimism yet all that post on here think they themselves are realists which excuses any optimism/pessimism on their part.
The fact is we are all fans of the same club and while not agreeing nobody should take their ball home.

[Wellred]

topnotch_Donny wrote:

Wellred wrote:

topnotch_Donny wrote:

Wellred wrote:

Bloody hell I put the bucket away once, do I have to get it out again.

Very constructive, I take it you cant refute?

OK would you like to point out to me where I ever suggested that the directors should be splashing out any kind of money at all on signing players?

If you can't find it maybe Bob G could try and find where I said it as well.

I may be wrong, but you have moaned and groaned and questioned the club/board for not splashing out, before?

Forgive me if I am wrong, but I am sure you have done in the past?

Yes you are wrong but I will accept your apology

[wilts rover]

Wellred wrote:

topnotch_Donny wrote:

Wellred wrote:

topnotch_Donny wrote:

Wellred wrote:

Bloody hell I put the bucket away once, do I have to get it out again.

Very constructive, I take it you cant refute?

OK would you like to point out to me where I ever suggested that the directors should be splashing out any kind of money at all on signing players?

If you can't find it maybe Bob G could try and find where I said it as well.

I may be wrong, but you have moaned and groaned and questioned the club/board for not splashing out, before?

Forgive me if I am wrong, but I am sure you have done in the past?

Yes you are wrong but I will accept your apology

Well now, there's a challenge. I dont have any problem at all with people having negative opinions - the other side of the argument is always good to hear, for ensuring that people think about facts to back up opinions if nothing else. What I do dislike though are misleading opinions, people being 'ecconomical with the truth', overbearing arrogance and assertions that are just plain wrong.

So in your claim that you have never questioned the board for not splashing out, a search on posts written by wellred comes up with:

Posted on the thread – Lack of Funds – discussing lack of money for new signings

http://www.drfc-vsc.co.uk/index.php?option=com_kunena&Itemid=57&func=view&catid=999999&id=50573&limit=20

Are all the posters on here DRFC directors posting under aliases?
Kittyslass is exactly right.
I suppose you will all be happy following the most financially stable club in Division 1
JR has acheived what he wanted a place in the CCC now he has acheived it he cannot afford to maintain it.
Its a bit like buying a pony for your daughter then not being able to afford the fees to keep it.
Barring a miracle division 1 here we come.

What a total numpty you are Norfolk n Idea.
I would imagine every one of us who goes to watch a game at the KMS goes to support our team for 90 minutes.
That doesn't mean we cannot have opinions on how our club is run.
Have you ever heard the word ambition?
If you are quite happy to see the club go down a division and would be happy to watch them play in Sunday morning football then bully for you.
I pay my money hoping for success.
I see clubs in this league with no bigger crowds than us and no bunch of directors with as much money as ours speculating on their clubs future.
Do you know what speculate means Norfolk n Idea?
JR speculated when he started Transform.
The KM2 speculated when they grew Keepmoat.
Speculation involves taking risks. It just seems that none of them are prepared to take risks when it comes to DRFC.

On the proposed signing of Simon Gilett on loan

http://www.drfc-vsc.co.uk/index.php?option=com_kunena&Itemid=57&func=view&catid=999999&id=44817&limit=20&limitstart=60

The positive is that it is an extra body.
The worst that can happen is that it is another player on the wage bill so that the board won't spend on where we really need to strengthen

On a 0-0 draw with Swansea

http://www.drfc-vsc.co.uk/index.php?option=com_kunena&Itemid=57&func=view&catid=999999&id=42937#42968

It aint going to happen tho is it? We are not prepared to put the club into the red. ie take a risk.
Trouble is crowds are going to continue to fall below 10,000 unless the fans see some signs that the directors are bothered.
And we all know whats coming next don't we...............JR having a go because we are not getting enough fans into the KMS.
Chicken and egg I'm afraid John.
Or You have to speculate to accumulate.


Having opinions is one thing - denying you said them is another

[Barmby Rover]

Did the crowds fall below 10K despite so many struggling for money? Did the board/JR have to \"speculate to accumulate\"? Well the flirtation with the playoffs and the average crowd seem to have answered those ones. I have no doubt that Gareth going along with Shackell not coming is a blow for us all, but I think a lot of folks seem to have learnt from the Wellens/Mills experience, there seems to be less panic and \"spend spend spend\" seems to be out of fashion with most of our depressive bretheren. What we do know is that SOD always seems to have a plan B in terms of getting decent players together and making a good team, I have no doubt he will do so again this closed season. All we have to do is have a bit of patience.