Season Ticket sales

[Norfolk N Chance]

Wellred wrote:

For a short time I thought you had changed Nobby and was posting quite sensibly for you.
It seems it was short lived and you are back to spouting your usual boll***s

So can you hightlight to me what part you think is crap and I will then set about destroying your agrument as I always do!

[topnotch_Donny]

coventryrover wrote:

MrFrost wrote:

coventryrover wrote:

topnotch_Donny wrote:

Norfolk N Chance wrote:

Think 3 cup finals and an incredible journey through the leagues is enough?
Face facts less than 2% of the surrounding public have purchased ST.
Face facts that we have a budget that matches our potential and the board are doing the best they can.
Certainly mistakes have been made with the marketing but I do share the Board frustrations and the Doncaster public have to shoulder 75% of the blame.
What amazes me most of all is that given the amazing work the community boys do you would think all Teenagers would want to support their home town club and at £50 a pop it is bloody good value!
You never know this might be the case and we may all be wrong and I hope that to be the case!

How can you blame the Doncaster public? Some people don't care about rovers an neither should they be blamed. The board need to accumulate to get the next generation of fan, or things will remain the same and we will land back up in the lower leagues.

If people want to see a live football match they know where the rovers play end of.  There are many a media that they can read etc to find out when the next match is.  Why do the public need to be spoon fed?

Because thats how it is. Marketing and sales is about spoon feeding. DRFC is a product at the end of the day.

[/b]

I disagree.  If a doncastrian likes football then they will certainly know about rovers and where they play.  it is up to that doncastrian as to whether they go see a live match at the keepmoat or are happy watching the EPL on sky

You obviously don't know that 90% of doncaster supports other clubs and once you nail your colours, that's it.

We have to concentrate on keeping the fans we have got and to get the next generation on board.

[Wellred]

From a neutrals point they can see that we have sold two of our better players for reported substantial amounts of money.
They can also see that we have not made any signings to replace them where we have spent any real money.
This is a fact whether we like it or not.
Forget what we on this forum know but TRY and look at it from a neutral point of view.
Maybe then you can see why the man in the street sees Rovers as a selling club?

[Norfolk N Chance]

topnotch_Donny wrote:

coventryrover wrote:

MrFrost wrote:

coventryrover wrote:

topnotch_Donny wrote:

Norfolk N Chance wrote:

Think 3 cup finals and an incredible journey through the leagues is enough?
Face facts less than 2% of the surrounding public have purchased ST.
Face facts that we have a budget that matches our potential and the board are doing the best they can.
Certainly mistakes have been made with the marketing but I do share the Board frustrations and the Doncaster public have to shoulder 75% of the blame.
What amazes me most of all is that given the amazing work the community boys do you would think all Teenagers would want to support their home town club and at £50 a pop it is bloody good value!
You never know this might be the case and we may all be wrong and I hope that to be the case!

How can you blame the Doncaster public? Some people don't care about rovers an neither should they be blamed. The board need to accumulate to get the next generation of fan, or things will remain the same and we will land back up in the lower leagues.

If people want to see a live football match they know where the rovers play end of.  There are many a media that they can read etc to find out when the next match is.  Why do the public need to be spoon fed?

Because thats how it is. Marketing and sales is about spoon feeding. DRFC is a product at the end of the day.

[/b]

I disagree.  If a doncastrian likes football then they will certainly know about rovers and where they play.  it is up to that doncastrian as to whether they go see a live match at the keepmoat or are happy watching the EPL on sky

You obviously don't know that 90% of doncaster supports other clubs and once you nail your colours, that's it.

We have to concentrate on keeping the fans we have got and to get the next generation on board.

Thats the point and I totally agree with you but given so much uncertainty dont you think they have put togther a credible budget?

[Norfolk N Chance]

Wellred wrote:

From a neutrals point they can see that we have sold two of our better players for reported substantial amounts of money.
They can also see that we have not made any signings to replace them where we have spent any real money.
This is a fact whether we like it or not.
Forget what we on this forum know but TRY and look at it from a neutral point of view.
Maybe then you can see why the man in the street sees Rovers as a selling club?

It is a chicken and egg situation I agree but what can you do when other clubs are paying twice our wages?

You cannot underestimate the power of the agent and once they get things moving and the player knows whats on offer and you get in their way ....you going to have a pissed off player!!!

Therefore at times I do think we have come as far as we can and certainly now as the payments to relegated clubs have been massively increased.

[topnotch_Donny]

Norfolk N Chance wrote:

topnotch_Donny wrote:

coventryrover wrote:

MrFrost wrote:

coventryrover wrote:

topnotch_Donny wrote:

Norfolk N Chance wrote:

Think 3 cup finals and an incredible journey through the leagues is enough?
Face facts less than 2% of the surrounding public have purchased ST.
Face facts that we have a budget that matches our potential and the board are doing the best they can.
Certainly mistakes have been made with the marketing but I do share the Board frustrations and the Doncaster public have to shoulder 75% of the blame.
What amazes me most of all is that given the amazing work the community boys do you would think all Teenagers would want to support their home town club and at £50 a pop it is bloody good value!
You never know this might be the case and we may all be wrong and I hope that to be the case!

How can you blame the Doncaster public? Some people don't care about rovers an neither should they be blamed. The board need to accumulate to get the next generation of fan, or things will remain the same and we will land back up in the lower leagues.

If people want to see a live football match they know where the rovers play end of.  There are many a media that they can read etc to find out when the next match is.  Why do the public need to be spoon fed?

Because thats how it is. Marketing and sales is about spoon feeding. DRFC is a product at the end of the day.

[/b]

I disagree.  If a doncastrian likes football then they will certainly know about rovers and where they play.  it is up to that doncastrian as to whether they go see a live match at the keepmoat or are happy watching the EPL on sky

You obviously don't know that 90% of doncaster supports other clubs and once you nail your colours, that's it.

We have to concentrate on keeping the fans we have got and to get the next generation on board.

Thats the point and I totally agree with you but given so much uncertainty dont you think they have put togther a credible budget?

Our wage bill is high, me and you know that, but its not us that need convincing.

[topnotch_Donny]

Norfolk N Chance wrote:

Wellred wrote:

From a neutrals point they can see that we have sold two of our better players for reported substantial amounts of money.
They can also see that we have not made any signings to replace them where we have spent any real money.
This is a fact whether we like it or not.
Forget what we on this forum know but TRY and look at it from a neutral point of view.
Maybe then you can see why the man in the street sees Rovers as a selling club?

It is a chicken and egg situation I agree but what can you do when other clubs are paying twice our wages?

You cannot underestimate the power of the agent and once they get things moving and the player knows whats on offer and you get in their way ....you going to have a pissed off player!!!

Therefore at times I do think we have come as far as we can and certainly now as the payments to relegated clubs have been massively increased.

Again we know this, but does a average donny bloke who went to watch us against leeds?

[Wellred]

JR is a multi millionaire but used large amount of his fortune to start up MYA (never used the banks)and the other two are businessmen-pure and simple!

How do you know this then Nobby? Did John confide in you?

SO you have to assess potential and given economic situation and the public unwillingness to support their home town club then rightfully they are being prudent both for there own pocket and not to put the club in danger.

I think an average gate of between 11k and 12k indicates that the public of Doncaster have supported their club. Compared to where we were 10 years ago the support has probably increased by a higher percentage than any other club.

As you say it appears the majority dont care so they shouldnt moan when the likes of BS dosent come through the door...should they?

The majority don't moan. It is only the posters on this forum who moan. That is what a forum is for isn't it? For fans to air their feelings?

Just remember we have bid at least £650k which is double the record, what more can the board do?

Not really sure what you are trying to say at all!?!?![/i]

[Norfolk N Chance]

Few points I dont know JR and read this in a business article - prove me otherwise?

Re crowds - local derbies are main reason we have over £10K crowds 30% away capacity

Next question......



Wellred wrote:

JR is a multi millionaire but used large amount of his fortune to start up MYA (never used the banks)and the other two are businessmen-pure and simple!

How do you know this then Nobby? Did John confide in you?

SO you have to assess potential and given economic situation and the public unwillingness to support their home town club then rightfully they are being prudent both for there own pocket and not to put the club in danger.

I think an average gate of between 11k and 12k indicates that the public of Doncaster have supported their club. Compared to where we were 10 years ago the support has probably increased by a higher percentage than any other club.

As you say it appears the majority dont care so they shouldnt moan when the likes of BS dosent come through the door...should they?

The majority don't moan. It is only the posters on this forum who moan. That is what a forum is for isn't it? For fans to air their feelings?

Just remember we have bid at least £650k which is double the record, what more can the board do?

Not really sure what you are trying to say at all!?!?![/i]

[coventryrover]

Wellred wrote:

JR is a multi millionaire but used large amount of his fortune to start up MYA (never used the banks)and the other two are businessmen-pure and simple!

How do you know this then Nobby? Did John confide in you?

SO you have to assess potential and given economic situation and the public unwillingness to support their home town club then rightfully they are being prudent both for there own pocket and not to put the club in danger.

I think an average gate of between 11k and 12k indicates that the public of Doncaster have supported their club. Compared to where we were 10 years ago the support has probably increased by a higher percentage than any other club.

As you say it appears the majority dont care so they shouldnt moan when the likes of BS dosent come through the door...should they?

The majority don't moan. It is only the posters on this forum who moan. That is what a forum is for isn't it? For fans to air their feelings?

Just remember we have bid at least £650k which is double the record, what more can the board do?

Not really sure what you are trying to say at all!?!?![/i]

[/b]

I think it is quite clear.  The board have offered to pay a transfer fee that is more than double our last tranfer record fee for one player.  the board are doing their best

[BobG]

Two thoughts:

I still want to know what the bloody hell is happening with that there CRM system! An expensive bit of kit sitting about doing F all. It's ready made for the job that Mr Frost insiste on. And I agree weith him. The Rovers do need to 'sell' to people. They are in a competitive market for dwindling dispoosable personal funds. Get out there and sell! I despair about the marketing and the selling of DRFC.

Rob: have you any news yet on the supposed revamp of the CRM system? It's desparately needed. That and a sensible postage budget.

Cheers

BobG

[alisonoconnor]

I was told there were options to pay in instalments but for the coming season not in arrears, JR needs the funds now to see how the land lies for the future.

[DonnyBazR0ver]

quote]People are making cutbacks, they need more of a reason to buy their season ticket. They need to be sold to. They need to know that its worth while. Why do the club have a marketing department, if there is nothing to market because everyone interested in Doncaster know where we play?[/quote]

Quite right. For those who need to be convinced to part with their hard earned cash, just what have the club done ?

Firstly I don't think the main factor is what the board does in terms of transfers etc., and nor should it be. The product is entertainment, about a match day experience and about value for money.

We, who post regularly on here go out of our way to find out information about our beloved club. There are many out there who are not that committed and their only link with the club is that they have bought tickets in the past.

The only communication they may have had directly, if they were a season ticket holder is the leaflet telling them that the adult ST is going up by a minimum of £20 and your kids ST is going up from £60 to £95 ! Since then ?

Has there been any follow up ?

We mention the next generation. Yes we were doing things the right way by keeping kids tickets ultra cheap. Now we've put them up and seem to have forgotten it's the parents who buy the ticket.

If the club doesn't act positively now then the next generation will ebb away again.

Seems to me the club will just stand back and let people drift away and they wonder why we end up with Donny Owl, Donny White etc.

[DonnyBazR0ver]

Here's a started for 10. Send letters out something to the tune of:-

Dear Mr X (and family)

I note from our records you do not appear to have taken advantage of your early bird season ticket renewal.

As a valued season ticket holder, I would like to stress how much I would like to see you at the Keepmoat next season to share with me yet more exciting times as we build on last season when we finished in our highest position for over 50 years !

We've just seen Blackpool, and before them Burnley, get to the promised land and take it from me, both myself, Sean and the players will be doing everything we can to put Rovers in the frame next season.

So please renew your season ticket now to guarentee your seat however, if you would like to renew and are having difficulties at the moment, call me team on the telephone number below and they may be able to help you.

Yours Sincerely,

JR
==========================

If that means the club can help by discounting this that or the other to turn interest in to hard sales then so be it !!

[northbayviking]

Make pay on the day easier for casual supporters!

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

northbayviking wrote:

Make pay on the day easier for casual supporters!

I paid on the day (well my mate did, I was with him) and it took 5 mins in the ticket office queue, never seems a massive queue to be honest.

[RobTheRover]

Agreed BFYP.  The \"Pay on the Day is a problem\" view is a falacy, perpetuated by those who could leave The Park at 2:58 on a saturday and still not miss kickoff at OBV.

I think some folks dont need much of an excuse not to go to matches.

[MrFrost]

Sales update: Now standing at 4725. So about 400ish sold in the last 10 days or so.

[Snods Shinpad 2]

MrFrost wrote:

Sales update: Now standing at 4725. So about 400ish sold in the last 10 days or so.

Not too shabby.

[DonnyBazR0ver]

Still a far cry from JRs objective.

[topnotch_Donny]

I think we will get the same st sales as last year, or maybe a tad less because the novelty of the championship is wearing off.

[Norfolk N Chance]

Quite impressed to be honest and thats me!
Maybe the world cup factor????

[hoolahoop]

topnotch_Donny wrote:

coventryrover wrote:

MrFrost wrote:

coventryrover wrote:

topnotch_Donny wrote:

Norfolk N Chance wrote:

Think 3 cup finals and an incredible journey through the leagues is enough?
Face facts less than 2% of the surrounding public have purchased ST.
Face facts that we have a budget that matches our potential and the board are doing the best they can.
Certainly mistakes have been made with the marketing but I do share the Board frustrations and the Doncaster public have to shoulder 75% of the blame.
What amazes me most of all is that given the amazing work the community boys do you would think all Teenagers would want to support their home town club and at £50 a pop it is bloody good value!
You never know this might be the case and we may all be wrong and I hope that to be the case!

How can you blame the Doncaster public? Some people don't care about rovers an neither should they be blamed. The board need to accumulate to get the next generation of fan, or things will remain the same and we will land back up in the lower leagues.

If people want to see a live football match they know where the rovers play end of.  There are many a media that they can read etc to find out when the next match is.  Why do the public need to be spoon fed?

Because thats how it is. Marketing and sales is about spoon feeding. DRFC is a product at the end of the day.

[/b]

I disagree.  If a doncastrian likes football then they will certainly know about rovers and where they play.  it is up to that doncastrian as to whether they go see a live match at the keepmoat or are happy watching the EPL on sky

You obviously don't know that 90% of doncaster supports other clubs and once you nail your colours, that's it.

We have to concentrate on keeping the fans we have got and to get the next generation on board.

So only 1 in 10 of the footballing public of Doncaster actively support our club, where do the other 90,000 folk go then ?  

[DonnyBazR0ver]

Have you listened in to the media coverage of Doncaster Council ? Radio interviews with passers-by and the majority of those interviewed were not aware the government were intervening and, some were not even aware our Mayor is not a labour representative.

Point being is there is so much apathy in our town it's unbelievable. However who's fault is it ?

How do we engage the Donny public in taking some responsibility in civic pride and taking an interest ?

The same applies to Rovers. Don't assume people will 'care' about football. Probably the 90% of town folk couldn't tell you the name of Doncaster Rovers manager !

This town needs it's arse kicking big style !!

[MrFrost]

DonnyBazR0ver wrote:

Have you listened in to the media coverage of Doncaster Council ? Radio interviews with passers-by and the majority of those interviewed were not aware the government were intervening and, some were not even aware our Mayor is not a labour representative.

Point being is there is so much apathy in our town it's unbelievable. However who's fault is it ?

How do we engage the Donny public in taking some responsibility in civic pride and taking an interest ?

The same applies to Rovers. Don't assume people will 'care' about football. Probably the 90% of town folk couldn't tell you the name of Doncaster Rovers manager !

This town needs it's arse kicking big style !!

This is true. There are people living in Doncaster who don't even know there is an airport a couple of miles down the road. I'm sure plenty of armchair football fans haven't a clue what league we even play in.

[jb stainforth]

i have no problem with the rise in price of our season ticket its the difference
between the early bird price and the price if you buy now if you could afford the
early bird price thats great if you are not so well off but have just finished
 saving for your ticket now you have to stump up a extra 40 quid or so
this is where jr could have helped season ticket sales by having a across
the board price rise not a sliding scale that penalises the not so well off
and jr its still not to late implement this and a couple of good aditions to the squad
may start to see season ticket sales move again

[Dr Fundlekrotch]

Fair point, but I nearly passed out due to shortage of breath reading all of that without full stops or commas!

[Norfolk N Chance]

DonnyBazR0ver wrote:

Have you listened in to the media coverage of Doncaster Council ? Radio interviews with passers-by and the majority of those interviewed were not aware the government were intervening and, some were not even aware our Mayor is not a labour representative.

Point being is there is so much apathy in our town it's unbelievable. However who's fault is it ?

How do we engage the Donny public in taking some responsibility in civic pride and taking an interest ?

The same applies to Rovers. Don't assume people will 'care' about football. Probably the 90% of town folk couldn't tell you the name of Doncaster Rovers manager !

This town needs it's arse kicking big style !!

Outstanding note - how did we become such individuals ...did the miners strike really f**k us up that much .....guys thats so so cared about their being ....What happened to our identity??

[DRFC-Hanksie]

If people want to watch better football with better players, they have to be prepared to fork out.

Why do they never do a half season ticket for the first half (11 or 12) games of the season?

[MrFrost]

Thats a good point. Would split the cost for people.