Donny whites again -typical!

[northbayviking]

Football thug attacks fellow fan

Published Date: 08 June 2010
A FOOTBALL fan was left with a broken leg after clashing with another supporter at Doncaster railway station.
Detectives have launched an investigation after a 48-year-old Thorne man was attacked by a fellow Leeds United fan on his way home from a match.

[BillyStubbsTears]

northbayviking wrote:

Football thug attacks fellow fan

Published Date: 08 June 2010
A FOOTBALL fan was left with a broken leg after clashing with another supporter at Doncaster railway station.
Detectives have launched an investigation after a 48-year-old Thorne man was attacked by a fellow Leeds United fan on his way home from a match.

Hang on a bit. June 8th? Police have (just) launched an investigation after this happened on the way back from a match (a month plus ago).

Have the pain signals only just worked their way through the bloke's nervous system at a Stegasaurus-like pace to his central cortext, thus informing his brain that \"sumdi's hit thi - tha'd best tell 'coppers\"?

[Lytham Rover]

northbayviking wrote:

Football thug attacks fellow fan

Published Date: 08 June 2010
A FOOTBALL fan was left with a broken leg after clashing with another supporter at Doncaster railway station.
Detectives have launched an investigation after a 48-year-old Thorne man was attacked by a fellow Leeds United fan on his way home from a match.

perhaps they were walking back to doncaster station and it took them over 4 weeks to get there and then they realised that had they caught the train it might have been quicker than their neurones!

[DRFC MYERS]

BillyStubbsTears wrote:

northbayviking wrote:

Football thug attacks fellow fan

Published Date: 08 June 2010
A FOOTBALL fan was left with a broken leg after clashing with another supporter at Doncaster railway station.
Detectives have launched an investigation after a 48-year-old Thorne man was attacked by a fellow Leeds United fan on his way home from a match.

\"sumdi's hit thi - tha'd best tell 'coppers\"?

indeed why would a fellow fan hit their own supporters sounds stupid to me

[Filo]

DRFC MYERS wrote:

BillyStubbsTears wrote:

northbayviking wrote:

Football thug attacks fellow fan

Published Date: 08 June 2010
A FOOTBALL fan was left with a broken leg after clashing with another supporter at Doncaster railway station.
Detectives have launched an investigation after a 48-year-old Thorne man was attacked by a fellow Leeds United fan on his way home from a match.

\"sumdi's hit thi - tha'd best tell 'coppers\"?

indeed why would a fellow fan hit their own supporters sounds stupid to me

Apparently it was fancy dress and the bloke that got injured was dressed as a bin  

[DRFC MYERS]

Filo wrote:

DRFC MYERS wrote:

BillyStubbsTears wrote:

northbayviking wrote:

Football thug attacks fellow fan

Published Date: 08 June 2010
A FOOTBALL fan was left with a broken leg after clashing with another supporter at Doncaster railway station.
Detectives have launched an investigation after a 48-year-old Thorne man was attacked by a fellow Leeds United fan on his way home from a match.

\"sumdi's hit thi - tha'd best tell 'coppers\"?

indeed why would a fellow fan hit their own supporters sounds stupid to me

Apparently it was fancy dress and the bloke that got injured was dressed as a bin  

thats quite funny because the bin is a resemblance to the stadium which theyd just been to  

[jucyberry]

Filo wrote:

DRFC MYERS wrote:

BillyStubbsTears wrote:

northbayviking wrote:

Football thug attacks fellow fan

Published Date: 08 June 2010
A FOOTBALL fan was left with a broken leg after clashing with another supporter at Doncaster railway station.
Detectives have launched an investigation after a 48-year-old Thorne man was attacked by a fellow Leeds United fan on his way home from a match.

\"sumdi's hit thi - tha'd best tell 'coppers\"?

indeed why would a fellow fan hit their own supporters sounds stupid to me

Apparently it was fancy dress and the bloke that got injured was dressed as a bin  

PMSL...  

[Drover]

bedale rover wrote:

northbayviking wrote:

Football thug attacks fellow fan

Published Date: 08 June 2010
A FOOTBALL fan was left with a broken leg after clashing with another supporter at Doncaster railway station.
Detectives have launched an investigation after a 48-year-old Thorne man was attacked by a fellow Leeds United fan on his way home from a match.

perhaps they were walking back to doncaster station and it took them over 4 weeks to get there and then they realised that had they caught the train it might have been quicker than their neurones!

It took him 4 weeks to walk to the police station to report it because he had a broken leg!  

[Wellington Vaults]

DRFC MYERS wrote:

Filo wrote:

DRFC MYERS wrote:

BillyStubbsTears wrote:

northbayviking wrote:

Football thug attacks fellow fan

Published Date: 08 June 2010
A FOOTBALL fan was left with a broken leg after clashing with another supporter at Doncaster railway station.
Detectives have launched an investigation after a 48-year-old Thorne man was attacked by a fellow Leeds United fan on his way home from a match.

\"sumdi's hit thi - tha'd best tell 'coppers\"?

indeed why would a fellow fan hit their own supporters sounds stupid to me

Apparently it was fancy dress and the bloke that got injured was dressed as a bin  

thats quite funny because the bin is a resemblance to the stadium which theyd just been to  

Now hold on!  Elland Road may have seen better days and certainly cannot be deemed as \"state of the art\", but it's a 'proper' ground and has evolved over the years, acquiring recognised architectural features such as varied form and design, such as contrasting roof lines.

As for the KMS, imagine the content of the brief given to the architect on day one.  Something along the lines of;

\"Keep it cheap.  We need a steel box, with no features of note*, with all four sides the same height and a distinctly ersatz feel about the place\".

In layman's terms, a bin.

* I concede that a passing nod to aesthetics was attempted with the use of \"off the shelf\" coloured cladding to the external walls to the four corners, in colours forever synonymous wi t'Rover's heritage (ahem).

The Defence rests it's case M'Lud.

[nightporter]

Perhaps the Leeds Utd and football supporter bit is irelevent and they were just 2 Kitsons.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Wellington Vaults wrote:

Now hold on!  Elland Road may have seen better days and certainly cannot be deemed as \"state of the art\", but it's a 'proper' ground and has evolved over the years, acquiring recognised architectural features such as varied form and design, such as contrasting roof lines.

As for the KMS, imagine the content of the brief given to the architect on day one.  Something along the lines of;

\"Keep it cheap.  We need a steel box, with no features of note*, with all four sides the same height and a distinctly ersatz feel about the place\".

In layman's terms, a bin.

* I concede that a passing nod to aesthetics was attempted with the use of \"off the shelf\" coloured cladding to the external walls to the four corners, in colours forever synonymous wi t'Rover's heritage (ahem).

The Defence rests it's case M'Lud.

Eeh, \"real\" football ground eh? I remember them. Like warm school milk an steam trains an pea-soupers an big hairy-arsed centre forrads knocking 'keeper into 'net an aving to gerrup at sparra-fart in 'midlle o' winter to clean 'fire out before you could re-lay it and start to thaw out. Lovely with rose coloured glasses but fcuking grim to experience for real.

Elland Road is a dump. The very ugliest, charmless and ill-proportioned of modern cantilever stands towering over one side. Compare it to, say, the North Stand at Hillsborough and it looks like Soviet female weightlifter at the side of Juliette Binoche - like a kid's Meccano model at the side of a Brancusi statue. Then cheap, dingy 60s-70s mis-begotten ideas of modernist football architecture on the other three, designed by people who vaguely knew that the world was changing but couldn't quite drag themselves away from the asbestos-sheet-rooved football grounds that they knew and loved. And the whole lot shoe-horned in to a geometrically inappropriate site, with barely a nod to aestetics inside or out (I'd call it \"Brutalist\", but that would be giving it undeserved praise for having a meaningful aesthetic behind it - \"Cheap as possible concrete-ist\" would be a more accurate.) Out of date before it was even built. A blot on the urban landscape on the outside, ugly, depressing and oppressing on the inside.

If Ridsdale hadn't bankrupted you, the place would have been bulldozed for a new out of town soul-less bowl a decade ago. Your fans voted in their thousands to abandon Elland Road when the plans were first drawn up. I know the architect who had developed the plans for the new ground down by the M1 extension. Then, when that fell through, he developed the plans to turn the derelict wasteland of the Elland Road environs into yet another bland sub-urban bowling and Outlet shop centre, with a suitably bland modernised stadium. Leeds Utd have been desparate for a decade and more to join the rush to modernity. The only reason that you're stuck in your 1960s dystopian nightmare of a \"real\" stadium is that you couldn't afford to get on the up to date train that the rest of us were catching.

[Wellington Vaults]

BillyStubbsTears wrote:

Wellington Vaults wrote:

Now hold on!  Elland Road may have seen better days and certainly cannot be deemed as \"state of the art\", but it's a 'proper' ground and has evolved over the years, acquiring recognised architectural features such as varied form and design, such as contrasting roof lines.

As for the KMS, imagine the content of the brief given to the architect on day one.  Something along the lines of;

\"Keep it cheap.  We need a steel box, with no features of note*, with all four sides the same height and a distinctly ersatz feel about the place\".

In layman's terms, a bin.

* I concede that a passing nod to aesthetics was attempted with the use of \"off the shelf\" coloured cladding to the external walls to the four corners, in colours forever synonymous wi t'Rover's heritage (ahem).

The Defence rests it's case M'Lud.

Eeh, \"real\" football ground eh? I remember them. Like warm school milk an steam trains an pea-soupers an big hairy-arsed centre forrads knocking 'keeper into 'net an aving to gerrup at sparra-fart in 'midlle o' winter to clean 'fire out before you could re-lay it and start to thaw out. Lovely with rose coloured glasses but fcuking grim to experience for real.

Elland Road is a dump. The very ugliest, charmless and ill-proportioned of modern cantilever stands towering over one side. Compare it to, say, the North Stand at Hillsborough and it looks like Soviet female weightlifter at the side of Juliette Binoche - like a kid's Meccano model at the side of a Brancusi statue. Then cheap, dingy 60s-70s mis-begotten ideas of modernist football architecture on the other three, designed by people who vaguely knew that the world was changing but couldn't quite drag themselves away from the asbestos-sheet-rooved football grounds that they knew and loved. And the whole lot shoe-horned in to a geometrically inappropriate site, with barely a nod to aestetics inside or out (I'd call it \"Brutalist\", but that would be giving it undeserved praise for having a meaningful aesthetic behind it - \"Cheap as possible concrete-ist\" would be a more accurate.) Out of date before it was even built. A blot on the urban landscape on the outside, ugly, depressing and oppressing on the inside.

If Ridsdale hadn't bankrupted you, the place would have been bulldozed for a new out of town soul-less bowl a decade ago. Your fans voted in their thousands to abandon Elland Road when the plans were first drawn up. I know the architect who had developed the plans for the new ground down by the M1 extension. Then, when that fell through, he developed the plans to turn the derelict wasteland of the Elland Road environs into yet another bland sub-urban bowling and Outlet shop centre, with a suitably bland modernised stadium. Leeds Utd have been desparate for a decade and more to join the rush to modernity. The only reason that you're stuck in your 1960s dystopian nightmare of a \"real\" stadium is that you couldn't afford to get on the up to date train that the rest of us were catching.

Bloody hell! 10/10 for managing to get dystopian into a thread originating from a tale about two fellas from Thorne brawling on Donny station.

In fact I corresponded with Ridsdale when the move from Elland Road was mooted.  Not that I expected him to listen, but to express a desire that if the new stadium was to herald the start of a \"bright new era\", why not go for something like the structure that Genoa/Sampdoria commissioned, or at the worst, something with the spirit of the Galpharm?

The rest, as they say, is history, but are you really saying that cloned versions of Pride Park/St Mary's ad nauseum contribute anything to the built environment?  Yes, the views are great and the pies warm but surely a touch of vision could have been adopted? Christ, even the volume house-builders attempted to introduce a semblance of variety when they were throwing up little boxes by the million.

Elland Road may be a \"dump\" as you put it, and shows it's years, but is it any less appealing now than the KMS will be in 40 years time?

[RedRover45]

The future of British football stadia is currently being erected at Falmer, soon to be home of Brighton in August 2011. Take a look, it's awe-inspiring, and a challenge to any other 'medium sized' club looking to relocate.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Wellington Vaults wrote:

BillyStubbsTears wrote:

Wellington Vaults wrote:

Now hold on!  Elland Road may have seen better days and certainly cannot be deemed as \"state of the art\", but it's a 'proper' ground and has evolved over the years, acquiring recognised architectural features such as varied form and design, such as contrasting roof lines.

As for the KMS, imagine the content of the brief given to the architect on day one.  Something along the lines of;

\"Keep it cheap.  We need a steel box, with no features of note*, with all four sides the same height and a distinctly ersatz feel about the place\".

In layman's terms, a bin.

* I concede that a passing nod to aesthetics was attempted with the use of \"off the shelf\" coloured cladding to the external walls to the four corners, in colours forever synonymous wi t'Rover's heritage (ahem).

The Defence rests it's case M'Lud.

Eeh, \"real\" football ground eh? I remember them. Like warm school milk an steam trains an pea-soupers an big hairy-arsed centre forrads knocking 'keeper into 'net an aving to gerrup at sparra-fart in 'midlle o' winter to clean 'fire out before you could re-lay it and start to thaw out. Lovely with rose coloured glasses but fcuking grim to experience for real.

Elland Road is a dump. The very ugliest, charmless and ill-proportioned of modern cantilever stands towering over one side. Compare it to, say, the North Stand at Hillsborough and it looks like Soviet female weightlifter at the side of Juliette Binoche - like a kid's Meccano model at the side of a Brancusi statue. Then cheap, dingy 60s-70s mis-begotten ideas of modernist football architecture on the other three, designed by people who vaguely knew that the world was changing but couldn't quite drag themselves away from the asbestos-sheet-rooved football grounds that they knew and loved. And the whole lot shoe-horned in to a geometrically inappropriate site, with barely a nod to aestetics inside or out (I'd call it \"Brutalist\", but that would be giving it undeserved praise for having a meaningful aesthetic behind it - \"Cheap as possible concrete-ist\" would be a more accurate.) Out of date before it was even built. A blot on the urban landscape on the outside, ugly, depressing and oppressing on the inside.

If Ridsdale hadn't bankrupted you, the place would have been bulldozed for a new out of town soul-less bowl a decade ago. Your fans voted in their thousands to abandon Elland Road when the plans were first drawn up. I know the architect who had developed the plans for the new ground down by the M1 extension. Then, when that fell through, he developed the plans to turn the derelict wasteland of the Elland Road environs into yet another bland sub-urban bowling and Outlet shop centre, with a suitably bland modernised stadium. Leeds Utd have been desparate for a decade and more to join the rush to modernity. The only reason that you're stuck in your 1960s dystopian nightmare of a \"real\" stadium is that you couldn't afford to get on the up to date train that the rest of us were catching.

Bloody hell! 10/10 for managing to get dystopian into a thread originating from a tale about two fellas from Thorne brawling on Donny station.

In fact I corresponded with Ridsdale when the move from Elland Road was mooted.  Not that I expected him to listen, but to express a desire that if the new stadium was to herald the start of a \"bright new era\", why not go for something like the structure that Genoa/Sampdoria commissioned, or at the worst, something with the spirit of the Galpharm?

The rest, as they say, is history, but are you really saying that cloned versions of Pride Park/St Mary's ad nauseum contribute anything to the built environment?  Yes, the views are great and the pies warm but surely a touch of vision could have been adopted? Christ, even the volume house-builders attempted to introduce a semblance of variety when they were throwing up little boxes by the million.

Elland Road may be a \"dump\" as you put it, and shows it's years, but is it any less appealing now than the KMS will be in 40 years time?

What other word than \"dystopian\" should come to mind when you think about Donny Whites?

Actually, I do agree with you on the general standard of English football architecture. Although there is a big problem of course, in that architecturally bold visions often compromise the fans' experience on the inside. The Galpharm for example is instantly recognisable, but it's a bloody awful place to experience. Freezing bloosy cold, with facilities stuck outside to cut the costs incurred in making the Architect's vision work. Or the Luigi Ferraris stadium in Genoa. A wonderful work of architecture - shame the designers forgot something as simple as the sightlines from the back seats. When it first opened, the poor sods on the back rown could see nothing but the backs of the heads of the people in front of them. Or the best example of the lot - the Olympiastadion at Munich. Now stadium in the world was a bolder architectural statement, but it simply didn't work as a football ground. Austere, only half covered, appaling acoustics. I was once there in a 50,000 crowd and the atmosphere was like a Rovers reserve match.

The KMS is a straightforward, functional stadium designed around the fans' experience INSIDE the ground. It works perfectly well. Good views, comfortable leg room, covered facilities. It is as bland as you could imagine on the outside, and yeah, I'd love it if it was some architectural icon. But we're Donny. We know our place in the big scheme of things.

BV reflected the club over the last 40 years - a rotting corpse.
The KMS reflects the club now. Anonymous on the outside but surprisingly successful, bright and enjoyable when you get up close.

Elland Road, of course, is an unlovely, dated, depressing, intimidating hulk. A bit like a Revie team.

[donnyjay]

BillyStubbsTears wrote:

BV reflected the club over the last 40 years - a rotting corpse.
The KMS reflects the club now. Anonymous on the outside but surprisingly successful, bright and enjoyable when you get up close.

If there's ever been a better analogy on this site then I haven't seen it.

[BobG]

I was just thinking the exact same thing Jay.

I used to have ambitions to erudition and well written, imaginative articles. Billy has single handedly comprehensively cured me of that.

BobG

[RobTheRover]

Gerraway.  He's been reading the fookin' Guardian again.

[BobG]

But that's what I read an' all!

BobG

[BillyStubbsTears]

Guardian? Wouldn't wipe me arse on it. Not least because its football coverage is the most Premiership-elitist of any major paper.

PS Bob. You'd write 10 times better than me if you spent as much work time as me doing it. And I wouldn't be working at midnight if I didn't spend work time on here...

[BobG]

The Gaurdian might have elitist sports pages but it does also have two overwhelming advantages; it isn't owned by Murdoch, and, it doesn't pander to most of the right wing British prejudices.

As for writing, I don't write enough. I do plenty of reports, briefs and submissions, but they're prosaic and generally factual (if sometimes a tad distorted ) but I don't write anything for fun or practice these days. I think my long planned retirement fantasy of writing yet another biography of Hannibal will have a readership of exactly one. Me. Pity. Although I say it myself, writing is one of my few talents.

Cheers

BobG