Lost all faith in SOD and JR!!!

[paddymacca]

ONLY JOKING  

After reading some of the doom and gloom on here surrounding the players we have missed out on, i can see how easy it is to get disheartened, but just remember how far we have come in such a short space of time. Competing with clubs such as Leicester, Leeds and Burnley a few years ago would have seemed crazy, but in reality, although we are in the same footballing division as them financially we are not.

And to be honest... i actually respect a football management team such as JR and the board, SOD and ROK for NOT jeopardizing the future of this magnificent club by paying 'silly money and wages' for players. I wanted Kennedy here but at the end of the day he was only just out of league 2 for the first time in his career and has signed, probably for crazy wages, for leicester.

There is plenty more players out there to go at and i have every confidence in SOD an JR to assemble another great team, weather that be loans players or players from league 2 i don't care, with the budget Rovers have had and the players we have bought in for relatively small amounts of money over the last couple of years we have shown we are a quality side.

Ok, we don't have the biggest names in football but the football we play with the players we have is wonderful to watch no matter what first eleven sean put out there. And that is testament to SOD and ROK and the way they manage the game.

I would like to finish this post by offering a name in to the hat for a potential summer signing. DANNY GREEN from Dagenham. He has really impressed me this season particularly in the League 2 play off final. Worth a punt maybe?

R.T.I.D  

[topnotch_Donny]

It depends which way you look at it. We are so close to a £90 million pay cheque (as we aren’t a bad side) and therefore, we have an excellent chance of promotion especially as this league is a flipping poor league, if the truth be told, that is. So surely, our board are a “tiny weenie” bit tempted to spend the going rate, to get a massive investment back in return?

What’s our board’s risk? They lose small change. What can they gain by spending, or taking a risk (for a couple of years)? Thousands more fans gained and £90 million squid if we succeed. Surely with our board’s wealth, it’s worth a risk?

[Barmby Rover]

Surely with your own you could put a couple of hunmdred quid on Rovers being promoted and giving the proceeds if any to the VSC? Not too much for you to risk is it? I am not keen on telling others to risk money either. Until you put in a significant amount yourself then let the board deal with their money as they will.

[topnotch_Donny]

Barmby Rover wrote:

Surely with your own you could put a couple of hunmdred quid on Rovers being promoted and giving the proceeds if any to the VSC? Not too much for you to risk is it? I am not keen on telling others to risk money either. Until you put in a significant amount yourself then let the board deal with their money as they will.

I buy season tickets. I spend more of my little wealth (in %) than the board do.

[Donnybob]

Love the way folks think £90m is given to you and you get to keep it all when the dream ends.

Promotion means a massive hike in current players contracts. It means bringing in a load of high-priced journeymen on stupid wages. It means a greater tax bill, too.

Why are Hull City in financial trouble? Couldn't they just bail themselves out with the £90m they must have stashed in the bank?

And what of the players you come down with on Premiership wages? You cannot terminate their contracts, can you? So you're saddled with a Prem wage bill for 2, 3 or even 4 years because the only players of premiership quality that we could possibly attract in the face of competition from other premiership teams would demand ridiculous wages and long-term contracts.

Just try and see a bit of persprective. It's not a simple case of spend £1m and get £90m back. Past history suggests most teams that fall out of the Prem do so saddled with debt and they also attract gates that are already double ours. I doubt we'd even sell out against teams like Wigan in the Prem.

The promised land comes at a high price. Bit like buying a nice second hand high performance sports car. Doesn't cost much more to buy but when you try and insure it and then have it serviced you suddenly realise your folly. As for the running costs...

[topnotch_Donny]

Donnybob wrote:

Love the way folks think £90m is given to you and you get to keep it all when the dream ends.

Promotion means a massive hike in current players contracts. It means bringing in a load of high-priced journeymen on stupid wages. It means a greater tax bill, too.

Why are Hull City in financial trouble? Couldn't they just bail themselves out with the £90m they must have stashed in the bank?

And what of the players you come down with on Premiership wages? You cannot terminate their contracts, can you? So you're saddled with a Prem wage bill for 2, 3 or even 4 years because the only players of premiership quality that we could possibly attract in the face of competition from other premiership teams would demand ridiculous wages and long-term contracts.

Just try and see a bit of persprective. It's not a simple case of spend £1m and get £90m back. Past history suggests most teams that fall out of the Prem do so saddled with debt and they also attract gates that are already double ours. I doubt we'd even sell out against teams like Wigan in the Prem.

The promised land comes at a high price. Bit like buying a nice second hand high performance sports car. Doesn't cost much more to buy but when you try and insure it and then have it serviced you suddenly realise your folly. As for the running costs...

Blackpool could keep current players, so yes you could be 90 million better off.

[topnotch_Donny]

Donnybob wrote:

Love the way folks think £90m is given to you and you get to keep it all when the dream ends.

Promotion means a massive hike in current players contracts. It means bringing in a load of high-priced journeymen on stupid wages. It means a greater tax bill, too.

Why are Hull City in financial trouble? Couldn't they just bail themselves out with the £90m they must have stashed in the bank?

And what of the players you come down with on Premiership wages? You cannot terminate their contracts, can you? So you're saddled with a Prem wage bill for 2, 3 or even 4 years because the only players of premiership quality that we could possibly attract in the face of competition from other premiership teams would demand ridiculous wages and long-term contracts.

Just try and see a bit of persprective. It's not a simple case of spend £1m and get £90m back. Past history suggests most teams that fall out of the Prem do so saddled with debt and they also attract gates that are already double ours. I doubt we'd even sell out against teams like Wigan in the Prem.

The promised land comes at a high price. Bit like buying a nice second hand high performance sports car. Doesn't cost much more to buy but when you try and insure it and then have it serviced you suddenly realise your folly. As for the running costs...

Hull dont get the new payment.

And they were a good team but badly managed. They should have consolidated but Phil brown being the tosser that he is......

[Savvy]

Donnybob wrote:

Love the way folks think £90m is given to you and you get to keep it all when the dream ends.

Promotion means a massive hike in current players contracts. It means bringing in a load of high-priced journeymen on stupid wages. It means a greater tax bill, too.

Why are Hull City in financial trouble? Couldn't they just bail themselves out with the £90m they must have stashed in the bank?

And what of the players you come down with on Premiership wages? You cannot terminate their contracts, can you? So you're saddled with a Prem wage bill for 2, 3 or even 4 years because the only players of premiership quality that we could possibly attract in the face of competition from other premiership teams would demand ridiculous wages and long-term contracts.

Just try and see a bit of persprective. It's not a simple case of spend £1m and get £90m back. Past history suggests most teams that fall out of the Prem do so saddled with debt and they also attract gates that are already double ours. I doubt we'd even sell out against teams like Wigan in the Prem.

The promised land comes at a high price. Bit like buying a nice second hand high performance sports car. Doesn't cost much more to buy but when you try and insure it and then have it serviced you suddenly realise your folly. As for the running costs...

I remember a time when the championship was the promised land, does the same statement still apply?

[Barmby Rover]

topnotch_Donny wrote:

Barmby Rover wrote:

Surely with your own you could put a couple of hunmdred quid on Rovers being promoted and giving the proceeds if any to the VSC? Not too much for you to risk is it? I am not keen on telling others to risk money either. Until you put in a significant amount yourself then let the board deal with their money as they will.

I buy season tickets. I spend more of my little wealth (in %) than the board do.

No, you buy a product, just as if you spent your money to go to the cinema. That is not an investment in the club, do you own a share? No, thought not. that is taking risks with money.

[topnotch_Donny]

Barmby Rover wrote:

topnotch_Donny wrote:

Barmby Rover wrote:

Surely with your own you could put a couple of hunmdred quid on Rovers being promoted and giving the proceeds if any to the VSC? Not too much for you to risk is it? I am not keen on telling others to risk money either. Until you put in a significant amount yourself then let the board deal with their money as they will.

I buy season tickets. I spend more of my little wealth (in %) than the board do.

No, you buy a product, just as if you spent your money to go to the cinema. That is not an investment in the club, do you own a share? No, thought not. that is taking risks with money.

Have no option to buy share? its not on the stock market as it is a limited company.

My money goes into the club. Without folk buying season tickets, there would be no rovers.

The board can make money back, our cash is dead end.

[Barmby Rover]

You buy shares when you subscribe to the VSC, not that you would know that. The board of any fotball club tends not to make money back if you hadn't noticed, ask the Chairmen( or former ones) of Newcastle, Portsmouth, Crystal Palace....I could go on. Football money is generally dead money, and to get back to the original point, I don't tell others to spend when I am not prepared to do the same.

[topnotch_Donny]

Barmby Rover wrote:

You buy shares when you subscribe to the VSC, not that you would know that. The board of any fotball club tends not to make money back if you hadn't noticed, ask the Chairmen( or former ones) of Newcastle, Portsmouth, Crystal Palace....I could go on. Football money is generally dead money, and to get back to the original point, I don't tell others to spend when I am not prepared to do the same.

PMSL vsc share isn't much. I was talking proper shares not shares to be part of a side bench  

[topnotch_Donny]

Barmby Rover wrote:

You buy shares when you subscribe to the VSC, not that you would know that. The board of any fotball club tends not to make money back if you hadn't noticed, ask the Chairmen( or former ones) of Newcastle, Portsmouth, Crystal Palace....I could go on. Football money is generally dead money, and to get back to the original point, I don't tell others to spend when I am not prepared to do the same.

I do spend though. Correct me if i'm wrong, but weren't you the bloke that never bought a season ticket? And you can get money back in football and if you run a limited company into the ground, you can start up a new adventure the day after.

[BobG]

You really can't see the plot can you TND? Take a deep breath, relax, and then try reading this thread again with a determination to seek understanding of the points, the issues, behind the words. The issues are real. They won't go away just beacuse you choose to blame them on 'bad management' or assume that another club needn't sign anybody at all. Come on. Admit it. That response was just childish. Think about the issues - not the people or the words people write.

Cheers

BobG

[topnotch_Donny]

BobG wrote:

You really can't see the plot can you TND? Take a deep breath, relax, and then try reading this thread again with a determination to seek understanding of the points, the issues, behind the words. The issues are real. They won't go away just beacuse you choose to blame them on 'bad management' or assume that another club needn't sign anybody at all. Come on. Admit it. That response was just childish. Think about the issues - not the people or the words people write.

Cheers

BobG

I understand all too well what happens, thanks.

[Barmby Rover]

BobG wrote:

You really can't see the plot can you TND? Take a deep breath, relax, and then try reading this thread again with a determination to seek understanding of the points, the issues, behind the words. The issues are real. They won't go away just beacuse you choose to blame them on 'bad management' or assume that another club needn't sign anybody at all. Come on. Admit it. That response was just childish. Think about the issues - not the people or the words people write.

Cheers

BobG

Wasting our time here Bob, incapable of understanding the point about not spending others money for them.

[BobG]

Sadly, 'twas ever thus' Barmby. I've just read one of today's lengthy threads about how crap this club is. It's full of the usual suspects mouthing off about things aabout they, and we, know absolutely sod all. But whilst that is bad enough, what's even worse is that not one of them seems to have drawn any conclusions at all from the experience of 12 months ago.

BobG

[topnotch_Donny]

Ok the original poster goes on to tell how much debt leicester et al are in, then goes to say we cant compete financially with them?

I know we are operating at a lose, but we are in better shape than most and they take risk because they all have big plans.

Us we are just on borrowed time crossing our fingers hoping that the inevitable doesn't happen this season.

Its all good, but we will go in reverse soon and see the likes of Blackpool become giants.

[Barmby Rover]

I do wish that the \"this club is crap\" brigade would go and support one of the wonderful clubs and leave us to marvel at how well we do as a relative minnow in this division. I quite enjoy it at the moment, smiling from above at our \"big\" S.Yorkshire neighbours, letting them take on our players to maybe, just maybe, have a chance of competing with us again. Knowing that we can afford to do what we did last year again and again until the club can develop financially enough to go to the next level without bankrupting anybody.

[topnotch_Donny]

Barmby Rover wrote:

I do wish that the \"this club is crap\" brigade would go and support one of the wonderful clubs and leave us to marvel at how well we do as a relative minnow in this division. I quite enjoy it at the moment, smiling from above at our \"big\" S.Yorkshire neighbours, letting them take on our players to maybe, just maybe, have a chance of competing with us again. Knowing that we can afford to do what we did last year again and again until the club can develop financially enough to go to the next level without bankrupting anybody.

You are a dying ignorant breed. You think you are a better class of fan, yet you don't even go to all games.

Piss off and support york if you want good old times.

[BobG]

Yup. Point proved right there. QED

BobG

[hoolahoop]

topnotch_Donny wrote:

Ok the original poster goes on to tell how much debt leicester et al are in, then goes to say we cant compete financially with them?

I know we are operating at a lose, but we are in better shape than most and they take risk because they all have big plans.

Us we are just on borrowed time crossing our fingers hoping that the inevitable doesn't happen this season.

Its all good, but we will go in reverse soon and see the likes of Blackpool become giants.

Yes TND, some clubs are speculating to accumulate  (as Blackpool did to a small extent), however the point remains that the money that you wish to speculate with isn't..........YOURS!
However , we all share your frustrations but we will sort it out as we always do.
Clubs are going to have to learn to live within their financial restraints even the bigger city clubs like Leicester , Forest, Leeds etc. I would prefer we do it now (albeit not quite breaking even) and watch the game unfold. Our chance will come and we will be well prepared structurally for it both on and off the field.
In the meantime , I am pleased that our Board are not letting guns be levelled at their heads from greedy players and their agents.

[Viking Don]

Careful Barmy, I'm starting to like you.

[topnotch_Donny]

hoolahoop wrote:

topnotch_Donny wrote:

Ok the original poster goes on to tell how much debt leicester et al are in, then goes to say we cant compete financially with them?

I know we are operating at a lose, but we are in better shape than most and they take risk because they all have big plans.

Us we are just on borrowed time crossing our fingers hoping that the inevitable doesn't happen this season.

Its all good, but we will go in reverse soon and see the likes of Blackpool become giants.

Yes TND, some clubs are speculating to accumulate  (as Blackpool did to a small extent), however the point remains that the money that you wish to speculate with isn't..........YOURS!
However , we all share your frustrations but we will sort it out as we always do.
Clubs are going to have to learn to live within their financial restraints even the bigger city clubs like Leicester , Forest, Leeds etc. I would prefer we do it now (albeit not quite breaking even) and watch the game unfold. Our chance will come and we will be well prepared structurally for it both on and off the field.
In the meantime , I am pleased that our Board are not letting guns be levelled at their heads from greedy players and their agents.

Yes, but surely we should take advantage in this situation? We will never have a better opportunity, and we know we will lose fans to west Yorkshire again soon  

Have we seen the best of Rovers in our life time   Maybe folk will go back to supporting man u and Chelsea again now.

You know what they say abut the brave  

[Viking Don]

They're usually the first that fall in battle?

[wilts rover]

Just to add a little bit more to a pointless argument - how much do you believe we need to spend to compete with these clubs? It is very easy to quote Blackpool as an example and how much they invested last year - whilst ignoring Forest - £12 million, Ipswich £8 million, Coventry, Bristol C, Cardiff and the rest and the success that money brought them f... all. Throwing money around is no guarantee of anything (other than problems further down the line in our case), investing an amount you can afford carefully & wisely is.

[topnotch_Donny]

wilts rover wrote:

Just to add a little bit more to a pointless argument - how much do you believe we need to spend to compete with these clubs? It is very easy to quote Blackpool as an example and how much they invested last year - whilst ignoring Forest - £12 million, Ipswich £8 million, Coventry, Bristol C, Cardiff and the rest and the success that money brought them f... all. Throwing money around is no guarantee of anything (other than problems further down the line in our case), investing an amount you can afford carefully & wisely is.

I'd say just don't get complacent and spend on a striker because that is what has saved our ass in the championship thus far.

Its not rocket science. We are going down without a striker.

[BobG]

I don't suppose either JR or SOD have ever thought of that. Good point. Well done. I'll see if I can get Rob to pass it on. It could change the entire season.

Cheers

BobG

[topnotch_Donny]

BobG wrote:

I don't suppose either JR or SOD have ever thought of that. Good point. Well done. I'll see if I can get Rob to pass it on. It could change the entire season.

Cheers

BobG

I got the feeling that jr was getting complacent. This was at the end of last season when we pulled it around after that dreadful start.

The more we escape the inevitable, the more we get over confident.

Two people have saved our arse.

Heffs

Sharp

edit the season before last

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

End of the day I'll support Rovers be it in this league or the conference just as I always have.  When you look at the club everything's going ok, then you look at the fans, we used to be so optimistic and now half the fans are chuffing miserable.  That in itself is blooming crazy.