Capello

[snods big brother]

Can I start the Capello out thread?

[mushRTID]

Redknapp in.

[mugnapper]

I was just gonna suggest Harry, but with his court case with Mandaric Vs HMRC still outstanding and other 'incidents' in his past, the buffers at the FA would never sanction him!

[washyrover]

Please leave ,P.S. take rooney with you.

[Chris]

Sean O'Driscoll to take the job part time...

[graingrover]

Sky TV should put a Sky team of Englishmen in the Premiership like they are in the Tour de France! To narrow the blame onto Capello is understandable but has been done before in respect of every previous English manager and resolves nothing fundamentally.

[hoolahoop]

washyrover wrote:

Please leave ,P.S. take rooney with you.

Of course it was all Rooney's fault........ ffs don't talk bollox! Where
were the balls to him, who was with him when he was looking to play the ball ?
Easy to put all the blame on that lad  isn't it? I take it he was responsible for all the goals we conceeded too..........Jeez.

[LongbridgeMGRover]

look on the bright side. at least we won't be seeing David Cameron pretending to be interested in football and revelling in a nationwide feelgood factor, with Churchillian undertones.

[Snods Shinpad 2]

Capello's agent has played a blinder. £12 million quid to get rid of him now apparently.

The FA are £350 million in debt, so I'm not sure they can afford to get rid of him.

I can't see Wembley selling out for internationals in the near future either. Looks like they've made a right ol' mess of things.

[Thinwhiteduke]

Rigoglioso wrote:

hoolahoop wrote:

washyrover wrote:

Please leave ,P.S. take rooney with you.

Of course it was all Rooney's fault........ ffs don't talk bollox! Where
were the balls to him, who was with him when he was looking to play the ball ?
Easy to put all the blame on that lad  isn't it? I take it he was responsible for all the goals we conceeded too..........Jeez.

Rooney has been the most disappointing player at this World Cup! In four games he's offered absolutely nothing and not showed his potential. That is terrible and when the next World Cup arrives, if Rooney is still in the England set-up people will question whether he can cut the mustard on the world stage.

Agreed. Rooney has been a joke in this tournament - and was no great shakes in the last World Cup either. He aint World Class pure and simple.

World Class Strikers mak space for themselves, take the ball on, not look for an easy cop out pass, and do not go missing/ hiding for the majority of the tournament.

Rooneys done little more than bitch and moan his way through this tournament and offered absolutely nothing of merit.

[Pintolager]

graingrover wrote:

Sky TV should put a Sky team of Englishmen in the Premiership like they are in the Tour de France! To narrow the blame onto Capello is understandable but has been done before in respect of every previous English manager and resolves nothing fundamentally.

Correct. I think alot of us are missing the point! We can blame the players/manager all we want, but as I said in a previous thread, maybe the problems are more deep rooted eg Psycholigical, methodical, preparation. Maybe it goes a bit deeper and we should look at how English football is run? I once heard an interview with Sir Bobby Charlton where he basically said that if a business/organisation is run correctly from the top then the rest will follow and that for me, is very true. I am sure that Bob G can carry this discussion further and explain reasons why the whole organisation is flawed, but we do need to change our ways of thinking if we are to move forward.

[hoolahoop]

Thinwhiteduke wrote:

Rigoglioso wrote:

hoolahoop wrote:

washyrover wrote:

Please leave ,P.S. take rooney with you.

Of course it was all Rooney's fault........ ffs don't talk bollox! Where
were the balls to him, who was with him when he was looking to play the ball ?
Easy to put all the blame on that lad  isn't it? I take it he was responsible for all the goals we conceeded too..........Jeez.

Rooney has been the most disappointing player at this World Cup! In four games he's offered absolutely nothing and not showed his potential. That is terrible and when the next World Cup arrives, if Rooney is still in the England set-up people will question whether he can cut the mustard on the world stage.

Agreed. Rooney has been a joke in this tournament - and was no great shakes in the last World Cup either. He aint World Class pure and simple.

World Class Strikers mak space for themselves, take the ball on, not look for an easy cop out pass, and do not go missing/ hiding for the majority of the tournament.

Rooneys done little more than bitch and moan his way through this tournament and offered absolutely nothing of merit.

All the rest of the squad have been heroes I presume then TWD, fook me why are you singling him out in a bloody TEAM game ? A team that incidentally didn't gel from the start , that created few opportunitiesm for each other.
Easy scapegoat for you , I take it.................

[NathanDRFC]

THis is from a grassroots forum, and for me highlights the issues:

But let's face it - it's not about Sepp Blatter and whether the ball crossed the line and goal line technology could have solved it - it's not about the manager and whether his reputaion is a myth or not or whether it's the players that don't buy into the Team England ethos or whether they don't like the regime / manager etc.

You reap what you sow - the result we harvested today was as a result of the seeds we sowed 20 years ago. It's ENTIRELY to do with the way we develop young kids and whether we teach them the game properly.

We need to learn and study how the likes of Germany, Argentina, Brazil develop players. What do THEY do to develop their players that we should work from that get them to world and Euro cup finals, semis etc on a regular basis? We need to learn how to impart that to our young players and hopefully reap a World or Euro win in 20 years time.

Our players are NOT world class - the evidence is apparent from anyone who has follwed our national team for the last 20 years. One world cup final 44 years ago, one Semi 20 years ago and a Euro semi 14 years ago are not testament that we are in fact doing ANYTHING right. Time to re-evaluate and time for Sir Trevor to DICTATE, not try to influence, what is done at at grassroots level.

[coventryrover]

How about blaming the overhyped, overpaid, underperforming players?

Football has to be one of the easiest games to play but this generation of so called quality players (lampard, cole, gerrard, terry, james) have failed uner erikson, mclaren and now capello.  The managers pick the 'best' the prem has produced.  Its time for them to stop believing their own hype and perform for the national side.

[SkellowRover]

This just shows how overrated our so called \"superstars\" are, it's the foreigners in English football that make our teams successful in the Champions League. As for Rooney, how can anybody call him world class? On the same stage as the best players in the world over 4 games he has shown the world he isn't even good enough to lace a player like Messi's boots.
No passion, no pride, no fight. And Don't use the goal that wasn't given as an excuse, we were lucky not to be 4-0 down before we scored our first. We deserved all we got and the result is a fair one.
Roll on August, at least i'll see some quality football played with passion by the Rovers instead of that shit given out by over paid useless t**ts that represent my country.

[DonnyNoel]

NathanDRFC wrote:

THis is from a grassroots forum, and for me highlights the issues:

But let's face it - it's not about Sepp Blatter and whether the ball crossed the line and goal line technology could have solved it - it's not about the manager and whether his reputaion is a myth or not or whether it's the players that don't buy into the Team England ethos or whether they don't like the regime / manager etc.

You reap what you sow - the result we harvested today was as a result of the seeds we sowed 20 years ago. It's ENTIRELY to do with the way we develop young kids and whether we teach them the game properly.

We need to learn and study how the likes of Germany, Argentina, Brazil develop players. What do THEY do to develop their players that we should work from that get them to world and Euro cup finals, semis etc on a regular basis? We need to learn how to impart that to our young players and hopefully reap a World or Euro win in 20 years time.

Our players are NOT world class - the evidence is apparent from anyone who has follwed our national team for the last 20 years. One world cup final 44 years ago, one Semi 20 years ago and a Euro semi 14 years ago are not testament that we are in fact doing ANYTHING right. Time to re-evaluate and time for Sir Trevor to DICTATE, not try to influence, what is done at at grassroots level.

Thats bang on IMO. Too much emphasis on winning at an early age and not on performance/development. Winning at U10/U11/U12 level teaches you nothing about becoming a footballer as its usually achieved by doing things you cant rely on by the time you're 14 (pacey strikers/one wonderkid beating 5 men).

I played for a team that used to win cups and finish top 3 every year between 10 and 13. I was a full back and all I had to do was run as fast as the winger to block his cross and then lump it long to our lightning quick strikers who averaged nearly 3 goals a game each. By 14 we were a mid table side. By 15 and 16 we were whipping boys against teams whom we used to hammer the years before (same players involved).

Short term I'd say get a Premiership manager (preferably English but I wouldnt grumble at someone like Moyes) and gamble on playing the high tempo but technically unsound premiership style in the Euros and maybe 2014.

Mid term, we seem to be f**ked. Other nations stars are making the jump from U21 to full international level but ours dont seem to be achieving much at that level.

Long term. Pass the ball from 8 years old to a player in space then find space to get it back.

[jucyberry]

The trouble with over inflating a player to god like status is that unless they can give 1000% every time they are on the pitch then they are bound to fall foul of the man in the street.

Lets be honest, these men are paid more money than we can ever dream of and all that is really asked of them is that they pull something extra out of the ermine lined bag in competitions like this.

I wonder tho where the team work was because there seemed to be precious little  at times. I can't help but think that  their ego's  are bigger than the desire to be in the team. So much of the game seemed to consist of no red shirts protecting the goal at all, no wonder it was all so easy for the Germans.

We did rather hand it to them on a plate didn't we?

[hoolahoop]

SkellowRover wrote:

This just shows how overrated our so called \"superstars\" are, it's the foreigners in English football that make our teams successful in the Champions League. As for Rooney, how can anybody call him world class? On the same stage as the best players in the world over 4 games he has shown the world he isn't even good enough to lace a player like Messi's boots.
No passion, no pride, no fight. And Don't use the goal that wasn't given as an excuse, we were lucky not to be 4-0 down before we scored our first. We deserved all we got and the result is a fair one.
Roll on August, at least i'll see some quality football played with passion by the Rovers instead of that shit given out by over paid useless t**ts that represent my country.

This is beginning to sound like a 'we hate Guy' thread only substituted with the name of Rooney.
Could somebody tell me whty he is the only 'bad apple' in the pie, is it easy to scapegoat than throw the blame at quite a few who didn't deserve to wear the shirt during the World Cup ? I take it that Green, Lampard, Terry et al were superb then ?

[washyrover]

Its no hate of rooney or any other players but hoopahoop can you tell me if in the 4 games he showed any passion apart from when he had a go at the fans you had worked hard for their money to go there in the first place and were let down.

[SkellowRover]

hoolahoop wrote:

SkellowRover wrote:

This just shows how overrated our so called \"superstars\" are, it's the foreigners in English football that make our teams successful in the Champions League. As for Rooney, how can anybody call him world class? On the same stage as the best players in the world over 4 games he has shown the world he isn't even good enough to lace a player like Messi's boots.
No passion, no pride, no fight. And Don't use the goal that wasn't given as an excuse, we were lucky not to be 4-0 down before we scored our first. We deserved all we got and the result is a fair one.
Roll on August, at least i'll see some quality football played with passion by the Rovers instead of that shit given out by over paid useless t**ts that represent my country.

This is beginning to sound like a 'we hate Guy' thread only substituted with the name of Rooney.
Could somebody tell me whty he is the only 'bad apple' in the pie, is it easy to scapegoat than throw the blame at quite a few who didn't deserve to wear the shirt during the World Cup ? I take it that Green, Lampard, Terry et al were superb then ?

I'm having a go at them all Hoola, we have defenders that can't defend, midfielders that can't pass and our talisman up front is rooney who is supposedly one of the best players in the world....... based on how he plays in the premier league for man utd.
Our problem is we always hype England up and call certain players in the team world class when they aren't. We haven't had a team that can compete at this level for 20 years since italia 90 and thats a fact and the only player who has worn an england shirt in the last decade that can call himself world class as he's done the business everywhere he has played at every level is Beckham.

[Snods Shinpad 2]

NathanDRFC wrote:

THis is from a grassroots forum, and for me highlights the issues:

Agreed. Learning to control the ball properly and lay off a decent pass to feet (not to waist height) whilst learning to move into a position off the ball to give the ball holder options are something England cannot do and haven't since I've been watching them (Venables came the closest).

Watch any other team play and their first touch is perfect. They can kill the ball immediately and look up immediately for options. England players require two touches to control the ball (even our much heralded superstars like Gerrard, Rooney, Lampard)  and as a result vital time is lost and opportunities disappear. Simple short passes are continually delivered not to feet, but to waist or shoulder height.

They can get away with this in the Premier league when surrounded by technically gifted foreigners, but are found out at international level.

All this talk of lacking passion and desire is pointless if you can't do the fundamentals correctly.

Our players are technically deficient. Simple as that.

[Wellred]

To an extent I agree but don't include Green. The lad made one mistake and he has been crucified for it.
Johnson has looked shakey most of the time.
Terry has been woeful every game.
Lampard has never ever played well for England.
Ronney?? did he play?
Heskey? Its not his fault he is crap.
Capello? Has to be the most stubborn manager for a long time. WHY did he never pick our regular goalscorer in an England shirt. 5 goals in his last 8 games but not a sniff.

[Al4475]

To be honest - I'm quite glad I chose the golf course!  

I know it's a different kettle of fish - but this grassroots level is bang on for me! I (as many other posters no doubt) work with kids teams at school, and my players do not rely on the one superstar! I see so often with other schools the talented dribbler/greedy git who everyone simply passes the ball to and sits back and watches him/her (girls too) - not for me! We train constantly with a ball apiece - then move away to small game situations in 10x10 grids, and eventually move onto pitch and game time - where I insist on 3 touches, we work a lot on releasing the ball and moving into space and we often play teams off the park because all my teams are comfortable with the ball - and don't get berated if they try that good pass that doesn't quite come off! It takes time but even in a Junior School after four years of working like this, by the time kids reach Year 6 they are often of a different level ability, spatial awareness-wise and picking the right option! We don't always win obviously, but we play the game well and are graceful losers as well as winners and always earn plaudits - the overall record is pretty good! Lots of championships and trophies and enjoyment of playing the right way! Great feeling - Bring this to England and like someone said earlier in the thread, reap the rewards in the future.

[I-was-there1976]

i saw a team of 7 year old Spanish kids play last year. Comparing them to a team of 7 year old English kids would be like comparing chalk and cheese.

We are light years behind

[DonnyNoel]

I-was-there1976 wrote:

i saw a team of 7 year old Spanish kids play last year. Comparing them to a team of 7 year old English kids would be like comparing chalk and cheese.

We are light years behind

I read an article (can't find the link anymore) where a German journalist reckoned us beating them 5-1 was the best thing that happened to them as they totally revised their youth set up after that. Hopefully our new set up at Burton has a similar effect.

[MartinB]

Must agree the FA have improved the \"Grassroots\" level of football. Non competitive games at U7 & U8 levels then when the U9's (to the best of my knowledge) then it starts....hoofball, parental pressure and all the other stuff which stops progress.  The FA are making progress and Trevor Brooking has been a key part of that.

[MrFrost]

Having watched the game today in town, I cannot believe the support everyone gives \"captain marvel\" Steven Gerrard. IMO he has never performed at international level and is probably the best of a bad bunch at Liverpool.

Captain my arse.

[Son of thor]

How many english men, run out on a saturday afternoon.This could be the problem. :dry:

[billdoor]

I am a great believer in futsal, for all kids. The ball is easy to control and pass. The game is quick and easy to play in any gym. The Spanish,Portugese and Brazilian kids all play it, as well as Doncaster Rovers (deaf school) have won the national league and qualified for europe. How many times have Doncaster rovers qualified for europe?

[vaya]

Son of thor wrote:

How many english men, run out on a saturday afternoon.This could be the problem. :dry:

Is is the problem, or the manifestation of it?

Is it that the top league has that many overseas players in it because of the paucity of home-grown 'talent'?