Tory B@stards!!!

[BillyStubbsTears]

MrFrost wrote:

Do you really think rioting will solve the issues? Did it work with Thatcher?

Err...yep it did. It was the Poll Tax that did for Maggie. She utterly mis-read the mood of the nation on that one. When the Miners were fighting police in Orgreave, no-one in the Tory Party gave a shit. But when Middle England rioted in Trafalgar Square over the Poll Tax, the Tories cacked their pants and got shut of her sharpish.

[MrFrost]

nice one rovers wrote:

MrFrost wrote:

nice one rovers wrote:

MrFrost wrote:

nice one rovers wrote:

MrFrost wrote:

Do you know the day she is going to die?
Another one jumping on the Tory bandwagon. It's all too easy to blame the current government for the cuts that HAVE to be made. Do you really think rioting will solve the issues? Did it work with Thatcher?

Not soon enough,
The only sadness of the Brighton Hotel bomb was that they missed her, Bitch.

Hmmmmm. Well done.
Do you care to tell me what the current Government have \"got away with\".

Not really, cant be arsed. You'll only fire back with some right-wing hate sh*t. You'll feel it soon enough.

Can't be arsed. More likely story is that you can't answer it, as they haven't \"got away\" with anything.
Feel what soon enough? Nah pal, i'll be fine. I've got faith in the government to do right by the country. I'm not stuck in the past like so many people here who carry very large chips on their shoulders.

So your deep-seated racist views are forward thinking , are they? Cant think of anything more stuck in the past.
Where do you get large chips from anyway, I'm starving now.

Please, please, pelase point out one racist view to me. Do you even know the meaning of the word?
Being against mass immigration doesn't make me a racist.

[BillyStubbsTears]

MrFrost wrote:

the cuts that HAVE to be made.

You, being a clever bloke, will no doubt have read the comments by the IMF last week. Hardly a socialist organisation - they are the international finaciers that brought the 1970s Labour Govt to its knees, and that usually virulently argue for fiscal prudence.

Well, last week the IMF fired a huge warning shot across the Tories' bows. They said that cutting Government spending in the current economic climate carried \"significant downside risks\". Which, when the diplomatic gloss is stripped away, really means, \"Are you ABSOLUTELY SURE that you know what you are doing, because you are running the risk of turning a crisis into a disaster the like of which we haven't seen since your Grandad was first growing pubes.\"

These cuts simply do NOT have to be made as quickly and deeply as the Tories are telling us. They don't. This is a POLITICAL CHOICE, not an economic imperative. It is the biggest political and economic gamble that any political party has made in any of our lifetimes, and it is intellectually disgraceful to dress it up in There Is No Alternative clothing. If the IMF are suggesting that alternatives exist, you hardly need to be a Lonny Lefty to question Osbourne's policy.

[MrFrost]

BillyStubbsTears wrote:

MrFrost wrote:

the cuts that HAVE to be made.

You, being a clever bloke, will no doubt have read the comments by the IMF last week. Hardly a socialist organisation - they are the international finaciers that brought the 1970s Labour Govt to its knees, and that usually virulently argue for fiscal prudence.

Well, last week the IMF fired a huge warning shot across the Tories' bows. They said that cutting Government spending in the current economic climate carried \"significant downside risks\". Which, when the diplomatic gloss is stripped away, really means, \"Are you ABSOLUTELY SURE that you know what you are doing, because you are running the risk of turning a crisis into a disaster the like of which we haven't seen since your Grandad was first growing pubes.\"

These cuts simply do NOT have to be made as quickly and deeply as the Tories are telling us. They don't. This is a POLITICAL CHOICE, not an economic imperative. It is the biggest political and economic gamble that any political party has made in any of our lifetimes, and it is intellectually disgraceful to dress it up in There Is No Alternative clothing. If the IMF are suggesting that alternatives exist, you hardly need to be a Lonny Lefty to question Osbourne's policy.

Well we will soon find out. Exciting times ahead............

[RobTheRover]

I find your trivialisation of the absolute financial devastation which is certain to hit many of our communities utterly distasteful.

You've picked your side, thats fine.  You be a Tory, and be happy with your choice, but dont ever, ever, call the deep uncertainty many people working in sectors already targetted as \"quick wins\" will feel over how they will keep their homes above their heads and their families supported \"exciting times\", you sanctimonious prat.

[Barmby Rover]

In the end RTR we haveto remember one thing, you can't educate spam.

[rtid88]

May I ask what job you have Mr Frost?? Do you have children and a wife to look after, a house to pay for? I do and this god for saken tory government is going to ruin the life of so many people and better theirs and their buddies lives.

The unemployment rate of this country is going to be higher then it has ever been in a few years, there will be people living on the streets all over the country!

The tories could not give two stuffs to us up north or to the majority of the population of this country! As long as the country is run in the way that they want it and their pockets are getting fuller that is all they are worried about!

To describe what is happening as 'exciting times' is a disgrace and I for one hope you never write on this forum again you f@cking tw@t!!

[MrFrost]

rtid88 wrote:

May I ask what job you have Mr Frost?? Do you have children and a wife to look after, a house to pay for? I do and this god for saken tory government is going to ruin the life of so many people and better theirs and their buddies lives.

The unemployment rate of this country is going to be higher then it has ever been in a few years, there will be people living on the streets all over the country!

The tories could not give two stuffs to us up north or to the majority of the population of this country! As long as the country is run in the way that they want it and their pockets are getting fuller that is all they are worried about!

To describe what is happening as 'exciting times' is a disgrace and I for one hope you never write on this forum again you f@cking tw@t!!

It was a flippent comment designed to annoy those still living in the past. And it worked.

If you want to know, I run a business. I'm pleased what the Tories have done for small businesses in the budget and it should help mine grow in the future.
The public spending cuts are needed badly. Labour would have gone on signing away blank checks for this and that and the situation would have been much worse further down the line.
Do people ever stop to think of those who lost their jobs under labour and the cock ups they made? Or should we not blame labour for that?

[rtid88]

Who is living in the past?? I'm living in the present where the tories are cutting back on everything when it has already been clearly stated by the likes of BST (who I respect and I feel has a much better grasp of politics then yourself) that the IMF have said there is no need to make the drastic cutbacks that the tories are making.

It is almost as if they are playing a pathetic game of just changing every single thing that Labour put into place just for the sake of it and for their enjoyment to sit back and watch the poor get poorer and the rich richer. They are making the divide between the south and the north, the rich and the poorer greater and they are loving it!

[jucyberry]

A wolf in a wooly pullover is still a wolf. This new breed of Tory still goes to bed masterbating over Thatcher and the 'glory days' of her government. To think that this lot will help the country is simplistic in the extreme. They are part of a culture that believes any thing north of London is a bug to be squashed. Round here, we have so many tory land owners, but get past Norfolk and people really start to suffer.  Hard times are coming, and to itimate even in jest that it is exciting is crass to say the least. I hope for your sake that one day that doesn't turn round and bite you on the bum.

[MrFrost]

What I find strange is that people are questioning the needs for cuts.
For years ethe majority in this country have spent beyound their means, from government to the man in the street, and now people are surprised things have gone tits up?
Under the labour government it was so easy for people to borrow money, credit cards, loans etc. People never stopped to think what would happen if they couldn't pay the money back. Labour did nothing but promote a false self confidence.

[rtid88]

So your blaming the Labour government for people taking out loans and using credit cards beyond their means!! Don't talk twaddle, that was every individual persons choice, I don't remember seeing Tony Blair or Gordon Brown on the tv advertising a home owner loan or credit cards!! The person to blame is Carol Vorderman!!

[nice one rovers]

rtid88 wrote:

May I ask what job you have Mr Frost?? Do you have children and a wife to look after, a house to pay for? I do and this god for saken tory government is going to ruin the life of so many people and better theirs and their buddies lives.

The unemployment rate of this country is going to be higher then it has ever been in a few years, there will be people living on the streets all over the country!

The tories could not give two stuffs to us up north or to the majority of the population of this country! As long as the country is run in the way that they want it and their pockets are getting fuller that is all they are worried about!

To describe what is happening as 'exciting times' is a disgrace and I for one hope you never write on this forum again you f@cking tw@t!!

Seconded, but he wont go away, its only three months ago that he resigned from posting on the forum,\"full stop\".  I honestly dont think he realises that his views are met with resentment, and anger, but mostly intense pity and laughter. Poor selfish, deluded chap.

[MrFrost]

rtid88 wrote:

So your blaming the Labour government for people taking out loans and using credit cards beyond their means!! Don't talk twaddle, that was every individual persons choice, I don't remember seeing Tony Blair or Gordon Brown on the tv advertising a home owner loan or credit cards!! The person to blame is Carol Vorderman!!

Denial.

[MrFrost]

nice one rovers wrote:

rtid88 wrote:

May I ask what job you have Mr Frost?? Do you have children and a wife to look after, a house to pay for? I do and this god for saken tory government is going to ruin the life of so many people and better theirs and their buddies lives.

The unemployment rate of this country is going to be higher then it has ever been in a few years, there will be people living on the streets all over the country!

The tories could not give two stuffs to us up north or to the majority of the population of this country! As long as the country is run in the way that they want it and their pockets are getting fuller that is all they are worried about!

To describe what is happening as 'exciting times' is a disgrace and I for one hope you never write on this forum again you f@cking tw@t!!

Seconded, but he wont go away, its only three months ago that he resigned from posting on the forum,\"full stop\".  I honestly dont think he realises that his views are met with resentment, and anger, but mostly intense pity and laughter. Poor selfish, deluded chap.

Can you speak for every person on this forum? Or just the usual suspects. Because I dont agree with the majority? Or accpet the country will fall flat on its knee's because it happened before?
Tell you what, instead of moping about worrying about losing your job, being turfed onto the streets. Do something proactive about it instead of waiting for it to happen.

[nice one rovers]

Look, you know when you're having a chat, talk, discussion, debate, and in over 1500 posts nobody has yet agreed with a single thing you've said, then it's probably time to stand back a bit and re-think your life philosophies.

[bobjimwilly]

MrFrost wrote:

Tell you what, instead of moping about worrying about losing your job, being turfed onto the streets. Do something proactive about it instead of waiting for it to happen.

My word you are ignorant and naive. Unemployment is rising and set to worsen due to the massive cuts in government spending, which will also have repurcussions in the private sector on businesses who rely on council,NHS etc contracts, and all you can say to people facing reduncancy is \"be proactive\". How the hell can someone be \"proactive\" and find a job that doesn't exist.

I hate swearing, but you're a tool

[MrFrost]

nice one rovers wrote:

Look, you know when you're having a chat, talk, discussion, debate, and in over 1500 posts nobody has yet agreed with a single thing you've said, then it's probably time to stand back a bit and re-think your life philosophies.

There are people who agree. Look further back, you'll find it.

[River Don]

How the hell can someone be \"proactive\" and find a job that doesn't exist.

Start their own business?

[nice one rovers]

MrFrost wrote:

nice one rovers wrote:

Look, you know when you're having a chat, talk, discussion, debate, and in over 1500 posts nobody has yet agreed with a single thing you've said, then it's probably time to stand back a bit and re-think your life philosophies.

There are people who agree. Look further back, you'll find it.

A lot of people agreed with \"Meine Kampfe\".

[MrFrost]

bobjimwilly wrote:

MrFrost wrote:

Tell you what, instead of moping about worrying about losing your job, being turfed onto the streets. Do something proactive about it instead of waiting for it to happen.

My word you are ignorant and naive. Unemployment is rising and set to worsen due to the massive cuts in government spending, which will also have repurcussions in the private sector on businesses who rely on council,NHS etc contracts, and all you can say to people facing reduncancy is \"be proactive\". How the hell can someone be \"proactive\" and find a job that doesn't exist.

I hate swearing, but you're a tool

Then blame that on Brown and his blank cheque book. Look at the comments regarding Gordon Brown being reported today from Tony Blair.
There are two choices aren't there really. You accept defeat. Resign yourself to the fact you've lost your job, house etc. Or you can try and take action now, to prepare yourself if the worst does happen.

[nice one rovers]

MrFrost wrote:

bobjimwilly wrote:

MrFrost wrote:

Tell you what, instead of moping about worrying about losing your job, being turfed onto the streets. Do something proactive about it instead of waiting for it to happen.

My word you are ignorant and naive. Unemployment is rising and set to worsen due to the massive cuts in government spending, which will also have repurcussions in the private sector on businesses who rely on council,NHS etc contracts, and all you can say to people facing reduncancy is \"be proactive\". How the hell can someone be \"proactive\" and find a job that doesn't exist.

I hate swearing, but you're a tool

Then blame that on Brown and his blank cheque book. Look at the comments regarding Gordon Brown being reported today from Tony Blair.
There are two choices aren't there really. You accept defeat. Resign yourself to the fact you've lost your job, house etc. Or you can try and take action now, to prepare yourself if the worst does happen.

You're either very clever, or you've been very lucky in life. I'm guessing it's the latter.

[MrFrost]

I've not been lucky at all pal. I was brought up by a single mother on a council estate. I left school with hardly any qualifications because I couldn't be arsed and didn't go most of the time. I had a string of dead end jobs before I decided to pull myself together and make something of myself.

[bobjimwilly]

MrFrost wrote:

There are two choices aren't there really. You accept defeat. Resign yourself to the fact you've lost your job, house etc. Or you can try and take action now, to prepare yourself if the worst does happen.

And how do you prepare for the worst, exactly, if money's already tight and there's no jobs?  

[nice one rovers]

MrFrost wrote:

I've not been lucky at all pal. I was brought up by a single mother on a council estate. I left school with hardly any qualifications because I couldn't be arsed and didn't go most of the time. I had a string of dead end jobs before I decided to pull myself together and make something of myself.

Is there anything wrong with single mothers and council estates? You seem to have done well to raise yourself up above such indignities.

[nice one rovers]

What's frightening is that people like you eventually get in power.

[MrFrost]

nice one rovers wrote:

MrFrost wrote:

I've not been lucky at all pal. I was brought up by a single mother on a council estate. I left school with hardly any qualifications because I couldn't be arsed and didn't go most of the time. I had a string of dead end jobs before I decided to pull myself together and make something of myself.

Is there anything wrong with single mothers and council estates? You seem to have done well to raise yourself up above such indignities.

I never said there was anything wrong with it. I was merely pointing out that I wasn't as lucky as some, and I certainly born with any kind of silver spoon.

[MrFrost]

bobjimwilly wrote:

MrFrost wrote:

There are two choices aren't there really. You accept defeat. Resign yourself to the fact you've lost your job, house etc. Or you can try and take action now, to prepare yourself if the worst does happen.

And how do you prepare for the worst, exactly, if money's already tight and there's no jobs?  

So there are no jobs? What so ever? My Mum's fella was unlucky to be laid off a few months back. He went straight to a recruitment agency and got a job in a warehouse the very next day. Not perfect, not his nice 9-5 desk job he was used to, but its a job.

And I go back to the people who became unemployed when the labour regime went tits up. But we cant say a bad word about them can we?

[MrFrost]

Thinwhiteduke wrote:

MrFrost wrote:

I was a kid during the last Tory Government. I had a decent upbringing despite coming from a one parent family. I didn't go without.
I personally have suffered, as have my family under the Labour government, so why shouldn't I defend the Tories?
Now I guess once again I will be lambasted for being in the minority on this forum who voted Tory. Who cares. I have my beliefs, as do you. Why are mine any less credible?

Frosty.

I started School in '79, under a Tory regime, a working class kid who's mum picked potatoes for a living and Dad shovelled Sand at a Builders Merchants. I have no issue with them at all.

My parents paid extortianate interest rates under the same regime, they benefited from the 'Right To Buy Scheme' and always have been, and always will be, Conservative Voters. My mum, under said regime, set up her own dry cleaners, my dad worked to become a Chief Officer in Humberside Fire Service.

Our lass's Dad a former miner in a mining community, voted Conservative this time out - you telling me he wasnt aware of the Tories in the 80's?? But whilst the Mining industry was being brought to its knees, he did the sensible thing, pre empted it and gained employment elsewhere.

Our lass, who works for Doncaster Council, has 4 interviews with Private Companies this week, cos she can see that the Council is over bloated and inefficient.At the end of the day, it wont hurt for our Public services to have to be run more like Private Companies - with defined targets, economically and with Value for Money.

I'll also go back to this post, which is the only other one that makes sense here.

[BillyStubbsTears]

MrFrost wrote:

What I find strange is that people are questioning the needs for cuts.

Because, soft lad, cutting Government spending when the private sector is on it's knees is THE most dangerous thing that a Government can do. Even a Market-fundamentalist organisation like the IMF said that last week. It us simple textbook economics.

And cutting Government expenditure more quickly and deeply than at any time in living memory is sheer, ideologically-driven suicidal recklessness.

Yes, cuts have to be made, but not now and certainly not this deeply. It is vital, ABSOLUTELY VITAL for the good of the country and the economy that Government spending rakes up the slack unt the private sector gets up and running again. Decimating public spending now runs the huge risk of utterly destroying what faint recovery there is.

The Tories' economic forecasts suggest that the overall economy will grow by 2.7% per year by 2015. But their own figures say that their cutbacks in Government spending will be the equivalent of a 6% per year reduction in growth. So they are actually assuming that the private sector will grow at 8.7% per year. Whichbis about what China typically manages. And higher than we have managed in more than a century. Utter, rank f**king stupidity if the most dangerous kind.