Tory B@stards!!!

[rtid88]

Well i'm out of a job within the next 2-3 years because of those toffy, rich bas**rds, they have not got a clue how to run this country!!

Give the already rich GP's millions of pounds to spend, take them away from the patients that the coalition wants them to spend more time with and make half of the country unemployed and give all of the finance and management responibilities to private companies like price waterhouse making the tories best mates even richer!!

How can this kind of thing happen!! This country is a f@cking joke!!!

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

Well I can't get a job thanks to the previous Labour government so it's tough for us all.  Try blaming those who mean we have massive debts in this country.

[MrFrost]

rtid88 wrote:

Well i'm out of a job within the next 2-3 years because of those toffy, rich bas**rds, they have not got a clue how to run this country!!

Give the already rich GP's millions of pounds to spend, take them away from the patients that the coalition wants them to spend more time with and make half of the country unemployed and give all of the finance and management responibilities to private companies like price waterhouse making the tories best mates even richer!!

How can this kind of thing happen!! This country is a f@cking joke!!!

What have they specificly done to put you out of a job?
At least you have 2-3 years to sort something, which is more time than what alot of people who were made unemployed during the last government were given.

[rtid88]

No one has specifically come to my desk and said you are out of a job, but the government in the White Paper has said that all 152 PCTs (of which I work for one) will be closed by April 2013 and that management costs need to be cut by 46%! I do not envisage that there will be many jobs to go around in this area and unemployment will rise significantly!

[bobjimwilly]

rtid88 wrote:

No one has specifically come to my desk and said you are out of a job, but the government in the White Paper has said that all 152 PCTs (of which I work for one) will be closed by April 2013 and that management costs need to be cut by 46%! I do not envisage that there will be many jobs to go around in this area and unemployment will rise significantly!

And how long have the ConDems been in power? I'm afraid it's only going to get worse for the majority.
I'm lucky coz I work for a Private company, which the Tories like much more the Public Financed jobs.

 :dry:

[jucyberry]

Interestingly enough, so far, the people cming out to defend the tories are the ones who are too young to remember them being in power the last time. It has faded into almost a fairy tale for them. Those old enough to remember tho, aren't waving the flags in the same manner. I guess innocence has to learn from harsh experience tho.

[MrFrost]

I was a kid during the last Tory Government. I had a decent upbringing despite coming from a one parent family. I didn't go without.
I personally have suffered, as have my family under the Labour government, so why shouldn't I defend the Tories?
Now I guess once again I will be lambasted for being in the minority on this forum who voted Tory. Who cares. I have my beliefs, as do you. Why are mine any less credible?

[knockers]

You are in the same boat as my other half. She is fully expecting her \"at risk\" letter to land on the door mat in the next week or so. She's been with the NHS 21 years and was dreading the Tories getting in as they raised months ago about big changes.
The whole countries going to collapse big time!

[Thinwhiteduke]

MrFrost wrote:

I was a kid during the last Tory Government. I had a decent upbringing despite coming from a one parent family. I didn't go without.
I personally have suffered, as have my family under the Labour government, so why shouldn't I defend the Tories?
Now I guess once again I will be lambasted for being in the minority on this forum who voted Tory. Who cares. I have my beliefs, as do you. Why are mine any less credible?

Frosty.

I started School in '79, under a Tory regime, a working class kid who's mum picked potatoes for a living and Dad shovelled Sand at a Builders Merchants. I have no issue with them at all.

My parents paid extortianate interest rates under the same regime, they benefited from the 'Right To Buy Scheme' and always have been, and always will be, Conservative Voters. My mum, under said regime, set up her own dry cleaners, my dad worked to become a Chief Officer in Humberside Fire Service.

Our lass's Dad a former miner in a mining community, voted Conservative this time out - you telling me he wasnt aware of the Tories in the 80's?? But whilst the Mining industry was being brought to its knees, he did the sensible thing, pre empted it and gained employment elsewhere.

Our lass, who works for Doncaster Council, has 4 interviews with Private Companies this week, cos she can see that the Council is over bloated and inefficient.At the end of the day, it wont hurt for our Public services to have to be run more like Private Companies - with defined targets, economically and with Value for Money.

[bobjimwilly]

Thinwhiteduke wrote:

At the end of the day, it wont hurt for our Public services to have to be run more like Private Companies - with defined targets, economically and with Value for Money.

Ah, Privatisation. You're defo a Tory voter aren't you TWD?

It's crackers that yourself and other Tories think they can run councils like a business - do you forget that Council's aren't there to make money? They are there to provide a service and run towns and cities. If  a town needs more bin-men or more childrens services or whatever, it shouldn't come down to whether it will make the council a loss or not!

Councils have always had targets, it's just with the Tories they have to meet them on less public money so the difference can cover the reduced taxes for the less needy and Private Businesses.

[bobjimwilly]

Just noticed this diamond aswell:

Thinwhiteduke wrote:

Our lass's Dad a former miner in a mining community, voted Conservative this time out - you telling me he wasnt aware of the Tories in the 80's?? But whilst the Mining industry was being brought to its knees, he did the sensible thing, pre empted it and gained employment elsewhere.

So if a government brings down an entire British industry and causes mass unemployment, it's the workers' own fault for not getting another job before it happens?
i.e. If a government causes unemployment, so  what - it's not their fault!

 :S

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

bobjimwilly wrote:

Just noticed this diamond aswell:

Thinwhiteduke wrote:

Our lass's Dad a former miner in a mining community, voted Conservative this time out - you telling me he wasnt aware of the Tories in the 80's?? But whilst the Mining industry was being brought to its knees, he did the sensible thing, pre empted it and gained employment elsewhere.

So if a government brings down an entire British industry and causes mass unemployment, it's the workers' own fault for not getting another job before it happens?
i.e. If a government causes unemployment, so  what - it's not their fault!

 :S

The whole miners thing's been done to death, it happened before I was even born and I'm 22 now, time to cosign it to the past really isn't it?  I mean the PM at the time's not far from dead.

[Dagenham Rover]

One thing that gets mentioned quite frequently by economists but tends to be ignored by the Government is they reckon the deficit will be halved by 2014/15 by doing ............absolutly nothing, carrying on basically as we are without all these massive cuts

[bobjimwilly]

big fat yorkshire pudding wrote:

The whole miners thing's been done to death, it happened before I was even born and I'm 22 now, time to cosign it to the past really isn't it?  I mean the PM at the time's not far from dead.

But surely the one thing history should teach is how to avoid past mistakes?
Tbh I really was just pointing out a bit of an elephant in MrFrosts' rant, the fact he is suggesting the resulting mass unemployment due to a governments mistake can be blamed on the workers. I'm not suggesting anything on such scale should happen again under the coalition, but if it did it would definately be their fault, not ours.

[German Rover]

big fat yorkshire pudding wrote:

Well I can't get a job thanks to the previous Labour government so it's tough for us all.  Try blaming those who mean we have massive debts in this country.

every country on earth owes loads of money to other countries, we have only just finished paying off world war 2 with the americans, so to say the previous government caused all the debts and issues in the country. It was easy for the tory party to claim it was all labours fault when the debt and economic crisis came from such a massive range of sources to blame the labour party is make things like this out to be simple matters when they aren't.

the smug tory bas**rds would rather make cuts to public services and have managed to use the GLOBAL economic crisis as an excuse to and unfortunatly a huge section of the population seems to have fallen for it hook line and sinker.

[Glyn_Wigley]

MrFrost wrote:

I was a kid during the last Tory Government. I had a decent upbringing despite coming from a one parent family. I didn't go without.
I personally have suffered, as have my family under the Labour government, so why shouldn't I defend the Tories?
Now I guess once again I will be lambasted for being in the minority on this forum who voted Tory. Who cares. I have my beliefs, as do you. Why are mine any less credible?

So you won't remember the middle 80s, with the streets thronged with homeless people living cardboard boxes, then?

Never mind, I confidently predict you'll get a second chance when the repossessions start after the unemployment rate doubles within the next five years (if the government lasts that long).

[German Rover]

big fat yorkshire pudding wrote:

bobjimwilly wrote:

Just noticed this diamond aswell:

Thinwhiteduke wrote:

Our lass's Dad a former miner in a mining community, voted Conservative this time out - you telling me he wasnt aware of the Tories in the 80's?? But whilst the Mining industry was being brought to its knees, he did the sensible thing, pre empted it and gained employment elsewhere.

So if a government brings down an entire British industry and causes mass unemployment, it's the workers' own fault for not getting another job before it happens?
i.e. If a government causes unemployment, so  what - it's not their fault!

 :S

The whole miners thing's been done to death, it happened before I was even born and I'm 22 now, time to cosign it to the past really isn't it?  I mean the PM at the time's not far from dead.

Good Bury her now

[jucyberry]

When I turned eighteen, I voted tory, I shall say because I knew no better, I was young and not politically motivated. Over the years until the advent of Blair I continued to vote the same, mainly because our M.P as I have said on many occasions does a good job for this area. When Blair came along I was time for a change, there was far too much that I didn't like about the government..

Finally, this time I voted as an adult I didn't vote Tory because Henry Bellingham is good for my part of the country. I tried to think of the wider picture in the misguided belief that my vote would count.

Sadly tho, my team so to speak  decided to crawl in bed with the devil.

[MrFrost]

Glyn_Wigley wrote:

MrFrost wrote:

I was a kid during the last Tory Government. I had a decent upbringing despite coming from a one parent family. I didn't go without.
I personally have suffered, as have my family under the Labour government, so why shouldn't I defend the Tories?
Now I guess once again I will be lambasted for being in the minority on this forum who voted Tory. Who cares. I have my beliefs, as do you. Why are mine any less credible?

So you won't remember the middle 80s, with the streets thronged with homeless people living cardboard boxes, then?

Never mind, I confidently predict you'll get a second chance when the repossessions start after the unemployment rate doubles within the next five years (if the government lasts that long).

No, seeing as I was only a few years old at the time, my memory is a bit sketchy.
I'm not worried. Come what may, i'm confident things will work out better than if the Jock had remained in power.

[BobG]

They undoubtedly will turn out better Mr Frost - for some. That is the entire raison d'etre of the Conservative Party. Our problem, collectively, is that, unfortunately, quite a lot of people have what's called a conscience. A social conscience. They don't like it when those who already have quite a lot get quite a lot more - at the expense of those who don't have so much and who will end up having significantly less. I do remember the cardboard boxes down Charing Cross Road. You couldn't walk a straight line for all the poor sods freezing their asses off. As I said last night, I agree, some of those poeople will have been wasters, tossers, scroungers. But I really cannot, and do not, believe that they all were.

I often ask myself 'What is the purpose of society?' I mean, why does it exist? What's it for? What's it do? If that purpose is not to ensure that every member of that society has at least the basics necessary to survive and to have a little dignity, then I'm afraid I'm for Anarchism. It's the only rational alternative.

I'll give you another thought: what party, do you think, would Jesus Christ have voted for? The man who gave his coat to a right old baddy remember? I've often giggled myself almost senseless watching the Tory party at prayer. It's a tautology. If you are a Tory believer, fine. That's the privilege of every single voter. But to also claim that that same person, that same party is also christian is simply bizarre. The two are mutually exclusive.

Cheers

BobG

[nice one rovers]

Anyone care to predict when the riots are going to start? The current Tory administration is getting away with far more already than that cow Maggies did and we're only a few weeks in!

Back to that cow,I, like many of my ex-colleagues whom she gave a year off without pay, have in advance booked the day off when she dies, to get pissed! Been waiting that long for it that I stopped drinking since, but am going to start again on that day, and fully expect celebrations in the street.

[MrFrost]

Do you know the day she is going to die?
Another one jumping on the Tory bandwagon. It's all too easy to blame the current government for the cuts that HAVE to be made. Do you really think rioting will solve the issues? Did it work with Thatcher?

[nice one rovers]

MrFrost wrote:

Do you know the day she is going to die?
Another one jumping on the Tory bandwagon. It's all too easy to blame the current government for the cuts that HAVE to be made. Do you really think rioting will solve the issues? Did it work with Thatcher?

Not soon enough,
The only sadness of the Brighton Hotel bomb was that they missed her, Bitch.

[BobG]

I remember being mad as hell that they missed her. I'm not going to get drunk the day she dies. I'm going to wait. And one day, when the fuss has died down, I'm going to make s special journey - to her grave. And I'm going to dance on the damn thing.

BobG

[MrFrost]

nice one rovers wrote:

MrFrost wrote:

Do you know the day she is going to die?
Another one jumping on the Tory bandwagon. It's all too easy to blame the current government for the cuts that HAVE to be made. Do you really think rioting will solve the issues? Did it work with Thatcher?

Not soon enough,
The only sadness of the Brighton Hotel bomb was that they missed her, Bitch.

Hmmmmm. Well done.
Do you care to tell me what the current Government have \"got away with\".

[MrFrost]

BobG wrote:

I remember being mad as hell that they missed her. I'm not going to get drunk the day she dies. I'm going to wait. And one day, when the fuss has died down, I'm going to make s special journey - to her grave. And I'm going to dance on the damn thing.

BobG

That is interesting. So I assume you wish death on her?
Are there any other wrong doers who might wish death on, and who's grave you would dance on?

[nice one rovers]

MrFrost wrote:

nice one rovers wrote:

MrFrost wrote:

Do you know the day she is going to die?
Another one jumping on the Tory bandwagon. It's all too easy to blame the current government for the cuts that HAVE to be made. Do you really think rioting will solve the issues? Did it work with Thatcher?

Not soon enough,
The only sadness of the Brighton Hotel bomb was that they missed her, Bitch.

Hmmmmm. Well done.
Do you care to tell me what the current Government have \"got away with\".

Not really, cant be arsed. You'll only fire back with some right-wing hate sh*t. You'll feel it soon enough.

[nice one rovers]

MrFrost wrote:

BobG wrote:

I remember being mad as hell that they missed her. I'm not going to get drunk the day she dies. I'm going to wait. And one day, when the fuss has died down, I'm going to make s special journey - to her grave. And I'm going to dance on the damn thing.

BobG

That is interesting. So I assume you wish death on her?
Are there any other wrong doers who might wish death on, and who's grave you would dance on?

you've really got it bad for her havent you, Do you honestly think she and her like would piss on you, the working class if they saw you on fire on their doorstep?

[MrFrost]

nice one rovers wrote:

MrFrost wrote:

nice one rovers wrote:

MrFrost wrote:

Do you know the day she is going to die?
Another one jumping on the Tory bandwagon. It's all too easy to blame the current government for the cuts that HAVE to be made. Do you really think rioting will solve the issues? Did it work with Thatcher?

Not soon enough,
The only sadness of the Brighton Hotel bomb was that they missed her, Bitch.

Hmmmmm. Well done.
Do you care to tell me what the current Government have \"got away with\".

Not really, cant be arsed. You'll only fire back with some right-wing hate sh*t. You'll feel it soon enough.

Can't be arsed. More likely story is that you can't answer it, as they haven't \"got away\" with anything.
Feel what soon enough? Nah pal, i'll be fine. I've got faith in the government to do right by the country. I'm not stuck in the past like so many people here who carry very large chips on their shoulders.

[nice one rovers]

MrFrost wrote:

nice one rovers wrote:

MrFrost wrote:

nice one rovers wrote:

MrFrost wrote:

Do you know the day she is going to die?
Another one jumping on the Tory bandwagon. It's all too easy to blame the current government for the cuts that HAVE to be made. Do you really think rioting will solve the issues? Did it work with Thatcher?

Not soon enough,
The only sadness of the Brighton Hotel bomb was that they missed her, Bitch.

Hmmmmm. Well done.
Do you care to tell me what the current Government have \"got away with\".

Not really, cant be arsed. You'll only fire back with some right-wing hate sh*t. You'll feel it soon enough.

Can't be arsed. More likely story is that you can't answer it, as they haven't \"got away\" with anything.
Feel what soon enough? Nah pal, i'll be fine. I've got faith in the government to do right by the country. I'm not stuck in the past like so many people here who carry very large chips on their shoulders.

So your deep-seated racist views are forward thinking , are they? Cant think of anything more stuck in the past.
Where do you get large chips from anyway, I'm starving now.