possible burka ban in uk

[not on facebook]

i see that the french have gone down this road of banning of wearing burka in public.

it's funny that when one country goes out on a limb that there is a dominoe effect afterwards,now the uk is talking about following france.

not really looked into the reasons for the banning of burka
only thing i can think of is it a sercurity risk,you know
where a male terrorist could dress up as a muslim bint hiding
is id with the burka?

i know you cant go into cantley bottom shops post office while wearing a motor bike helmet on stregth you could well be a robber.

so whats all and sundrys thoughts on this one

[MrFrost]

I don't think it should be specifically the face veil. Anyting that covers your face in public should be banned. You couldn't walk into a bank still wearing your motor bike helmet, they would refuse to serve you.

I know alot of shopping centre's and shops wont serve you if you are wearing a hoodie. Certain bars won't let you in if you are wearing Stone Island for example. Neither of these cover your face, but people are stereotyped that if you wear one of these itmes then you are a trouble causer. Yet it is ok for muslim women to cover their identity and everyone is ok with it.

Any kind of clothing that covers your face should be banned in public places for secruity reasons. Whether it be a burka, helmet or whatever.

[Filo]

For security reasons, yes it should be banned in public

[CusworthRovers]

What about a balaclava on a cold day, or even a scarf pulled up around your face to keep you warm?

Incidentally, I agree that facial identity should not be concealed in normal daily activity, however I feel many on here will differ.

[LuckyGirl]

You beat me to it Cussy. Then of course there's the yashmak and the sari head and face covering too which have been around for almost as long as the balaclava.

[Hounslowrover]

In France at moment, our neighbour is very left wing and used to run an arrondissement in Paris. One of the reasons he thinks it should be banned is because French democracy isn't tied into religion (unlike in Britain and of course Iran).
The burka is cultural not religious, it is banned in Tunisia which is a Muslim country. I am undecided personally.

[Jonathan]

I don't think it should be banned completely, there is nothing wrong with a woman choosing to walk down the street in a Burka if that is what she chooses to do. What there should be is a removal of discrimination, as stated above, one would not be allowed to carry out certain tasks whilst wearing items that disguise their identity, and the same should stand for the Burka. They have their right to wear it, but they should not be treated any differently to anyone else.

[not on facebook]

cant seem them wearing the burka at home causing any problems
but i understand if they are banning the burka from been worn in public places.

as said you cant wear a baseball cap round some pubs in town centres for obvious reasons.

from a personall point of view it does type of spook me when
i see a muslim women turned out in a burka,but before 7-11 i never saw the possilbe terror risk,unlike like today when i think it could be possible for anyone to be under that burka.

think they will be problems if the burka ban is to be
enforced in uk as i cant see muslims excepting it.

then that will give thema free day to throw rocks and stones at
riot police and play up.

[Nudga]

I'm trying to convince my missus to convert to Islam as she would suit a Burka.

[jucyberry]

Wouldn't it be better to just ban rucksacks?  Surely they are more dangerous..

At the end of the day, it is only a form of clothing, banning it won't stop those who want to cause mayhem from doing so, evil always finds a way after all.

[MrFrost]

jucyberry wrote:

Wouldn't it be better to just ban rucksacks?  Surely they are more dangerous..

At the end of the day, it is only a form of clothing, banning it won't stop those who want to cause mayhem from doing so, evil always finds a way after all.

Thing is, I reckon we should have a right to see the faces of people we meet in the street, muslim or not. This goes for helmets, scarves, balaclava's, whatever. It's intimidating for a start.
I was watching Sky News earlier, and apparently when passing through customs it's ok for them to keep the burka on and not show their face. I mean surely to God this carries huge security risks?

[jucyberry]

How does that work on a security basis?  Perhaps the answer is to have a room for the women who chose to wear a burka to be able to unveil to a female customs officer, there fore preserving their modesty..

And sadly, being able to see a persons face doesn't guarantee that they are harmless....

[Standanista]

I personally would ban it in public.

No doubt it would case a stink if it ever did become law here, but my position would be: if passed into law, that would be because the majority of the UK population disagreed with wearing such a face covering in public.  I would then ask: if you feel strongly against such a law, why would you want to live in such a country in the first place?  (I.e. Fit in or **** off.)

Another point: how many women wear it out of choice, and how many because they are forced into it by husbands/male relatives?

[Glyn_Wigley]

Standanista wrote:

if passed into law, that would be because the majority of the UK population disagreed with wearing such a face covering in public.  

Really? Since when has what the majority of the UK population wanted had anything to do with individual pieces of legislation?

[not on facebook]

i guess if a burka law ban did come into effect they way
the really extreme muslims would deal it would be to confine
their bints to the house only

problem here  been who would do the day to day shopping for the family

[Filo]

oslorovers wrote:

i guess if a burka law ban did come into effect they way
the really extreme muslims would deal it would be to confine
their bints to the house only

problem here  been who would do the day to day shopping for the family

f**king hell Oslo , Tesco, Asda and Sainsbury all deliver now!  

[Standanista]

Glyn_Wigley wrote:

Standanista wrote:

if passed into law, that would be because the majority of the UK population disagreed with wearing such a face covering in public.  

Really? Since when has what the majority of the UK population wanted had anything to do with individual pieces of legislation?

On that particular piece of legislation, I'm going on what has already happened in France - very strong public support.  Also, take a poll of comments on this thread.

As a general rule, however, you're right.

[vaya]

There's little chance of this ever becoming legislation in the UK.

I can't see the argument for security reasons - the only incidence of suicide bombing in Britain was carried out by people with theie faces uncovered - if you're going to martyr yourself then covering your face is probably low down the list of priorites, and the majority of bank jobs to the best of my knowledge aren't carried out by people in burkas at the minute.

France has come about this from the opposite direction, as they've got a strong secular basis, and similarly I'd support this only if they banned all Religious clothing and insignia full stop.

[MrFrost]

vaya wrote:

There's little chance of this ever becoming legislation in the UK.

I can't see the argument for security reasons - the only incidence of suicide bombing in Britain was carried out by people with theie faces uncovered - if you're going to martyr yourself then covering your face is probably low down the list of priorites, and the majority of bank jobs to the best of my knowledge aren't carried out by people in burkas at the minute.

France has come about this from the opposite direction, as they've got a strong secular basis, and similarly I'd support this only if they banned all Religious clothing and insignia full stop.

There are plenty of secuirty risks. You would'nt be served in a bank if you went in wearing a motor cycle helmet, yet you would wearing a burka. Where is the difference.
If I went into HSBC tomorrow wearing a balaclava, you can bet your last fiver someone would be on the blower to the police. But surely, because we are free to wear what we want, this shouldn't be a problem?!

[Old Popsider]

MrFrost wrote:

vaya wrote:

There's little chance of this ever becoming legislation in the UK.

I can't see the argument for security reasons - the only incidence of suicide bombing in Britain was carried out by people with theie faces uncovered - if you're going to martyr yourself then covering your face is probably low down the list of priorites, and the majority of bank jobs to the best of my knowledge aren't carried out by people in burkas at the minute.

France has come about this from the opposite direction, as they've got a strong secular basis, and similarly I'd support this only if they banned all Religious clothing and insignia full stop.

There are plenty of secuirty risks. You would'nt be served in a bank if you went in wearing a motor cycle helmet, yet you would wearing a burka. Where is the difference.
If I went into HSBC tomorrow wearing a balaclava, you can bet your last fiver someone would be on the blower to the police. But surely, because we are free to wear what we want, this shouldn't be a problem?!

Consider this one, I went to my local Tesco to get some petrol. While filling the car a big Mercedes pulled up at the pump next to the one I was using. It had dark tinted windows, so the occupant/s couldn't be seen. The driver, a Muslim bloke got out and put the fuel into the car. By this time I'd made my way into the check out kiosk to pay.

 While queueing I watched the bloke get back into the car and drive forward & stop right outside the kiosk door. A person stepped out of the passenger side of the car and was wearing a Burkha, she (presumably) was fairly tall and big built, the way she walked was very bloke like. No way could I tell if it was male or female under that garb. All that was visible was a pair of eyes in the veil slit.

Now, say if the occupants of the car were intent on robbery from the kiosk, who is to say that the person under the burkha was male or female? Very difficult to tell. CCTV would be no good as there is absolutely no chance of any identification of that person.

An excellent example of why the burkha should be banned. I know that any self repecting robber would disguise themselves anyway, but at least there would be a chance of telling if the person was male or female. Those burkha things just don't give any clue what so ever.

I asked a co-worker who is a Muslim if it is a requirement of the Muslim faith that the female Muslim must wear a Burkha. He said categorically it is NOT a requirement. A female may wear one if she feels immodest when mixing with other people outside her home. That is all, the ones who wear one as a matter of course at any time inside the home or outside the home are just either taking things to an extremes or are forced to wear one by their husband. He said it is a form of slavery that is used to keep other men from spying on their wife's skin. He also said that some very moderate Muslims would also support a ban on the Burkha, as they feel that the wearing of them is detrimental to acceptance and integration of Muslims into the World outside their faith.

So I think that France has taken a lead that other Western nations should follow.

[Snods Shinpad 2]

Potential terrorist?

 

[not on facebook]

think your barking up the wrong tree snods shinpad2,looks'like your trying to hound somebody out,i hope others dont take your lead.

[River Don]

They won't allow you to wear a hoody at the Bluewater shopping centre. Fuel stations ask motorcyclists to remove their helmets. There are occasions when you need to be able to see a face, in banks, at airports, times when women should be expected to unveil their face purely from practical, security reasons. There are also some jobs I don't think you can do effectively while dressed in that manner, I don't think you could properly teach dressed like that for instance. It's a barrier to effective communication.

I wouldn't ban the thing outright but I think businesses and public buildings should have the right to ask patrons to reveal their faces.

[bobjimwilly]

River Don wrote:

I wouldn't ban the thing outright but I think businesses and public buildings should have the right to ask patrons to reveal their faces.

Makes the most sense to me.

[vaya]

The debate is over whether the Burka should be banned, not the potentially problems should it be introduced - it's already worn and presumably banks etc. deal with this situation already?

If there was major concern over it in the UK, surely this debate would have happended long ago, rather than been instigated by a move for secular reasons in France?

As I said, there's little chance of this happening here - there's not the popular or political will for it. Even the current administration has taken time off from dragging the country back to the stone age to come out against any potential ban.

[vaya]

Snods Shinpad 2 wrote:

Potential terrorist?

 

According to Huddersfield Police, yes.