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TRBI suspect future historians will ponder greatly over the question “did May think?”I’m wondering if her neurons are conversing with each other about anything.
"they'd have to go along with whatever the public votes for, and no politician really trusts the electorate to do what they want them to"David Cameron anyone?
I wasn't commenting on his reasons for calling the referendum, there's no doubt as to his reasons. Cameron made one big stupid assumption of the outcome and called the referendum, which, if that wasn't 'trusting' the electorate, what on earth was it?
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on December 04, 2017, 12:31:59 pmBut that ignores the paramilitary aspect Glyn. That is at least as important as the conventional political fallout.Both sides have historically seen Northern Ireland as a zero-sum game. If you are winning, we are losing. The genius of the Good Friday Agreement was that it gave just enough to each side to keep an equilibrium. The moment you tip that either way, you have destroyed the balance and given one side the potential to feel that they are losing out.So if there's a hard border in Ireland, the Republican's will be pissed off and if there's a hard border in the Irish Sea, the Unionists will be pissed off. Either one of those outcomes disturbs the balance of the GFA and runs the risk of the men with guns coming back to argue the case for the side that feels it has lost out.If the vote is to stay the same, there's nothing for the paramilitary to get annoyed about. If NI vote for independence, it's not the UK's problem any more, it'll be the DUP's assuming they still hold power. And what would the paramilitary hope to expect to get out of the DUP?It won't be the UK tipping anything one way or the other, it'll be the NI electorate themselves.Win-win for the UK it seems to me.Besides, I didn't say have a referendum, I said threaten the DUP with one.
But that ignores the paramilitary aspect Glyn. That is at least as important as the conventional political fallout.Both sides have historically seen Northern Ireland as a zero-sum game. If you are winning, we are losing. The genius of the Good Friday Agreement was that it gave just enough to each side to keep an equilibrium. The moment you tip that either way, you have destroyed the balance and given one side the potential to feel that they are losing out.So if there's a hard border in Ireland, the Republican's will be pissed off and if there's a hard border in the Irish Sea, the Unionists will be pissed off. Either one of those outcomes disturbs the balance of the GFA and runs the risk of the men with guns coming back to argue the case for the side that feels it has lost out.
The biggest bollock dropped is triggering article 50 without having a clear and detailed plan worked out
I love this line from Downing St which is supposed to be positive. “It’s not ONLY the Irish border that prevented agreement.”Whoopee f**king doo. That’s alright then. I was worried that it was ONLY the fact that the Govt hasn’t got a clue what to do about Ireland that was holding stuff up. But we’ve got no f**king idea what to do about EU citizens as well. What a relief!
There's one thing that seems to have been overlooked....how will today's omnishambles have been viewed by the EU and their negotiators?
DDGo on then. I’ll bite. What cards does the Govt have to play?
Here's an interesting piece of news that appears to have got lost among the other interesting news that has come out today.Not only didn't she have the backing of the DUP but May didn't actually have the backing of the cabinet to put that deal to the EU. What will the repercussions for that be?https://www.facebook.com/pestonitv/posts/1958015007856568
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on December 04, 2017, 09:24:20 pmDDGo on then. I’ll bite. What cards does the Govt have to play?Ace HighThe DUP had a pair of 2's