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Meanwhile over in 21st century Europe....Barnier published a piece in the newspapers explaining why May's proposals were unacceptable. The Chequers' deal is dead before it even got going, so where do we go from here?http://politics.co.uk/comment-analysis/2018/08/03/barnier-has-finally-killed-chequers-and-with-it-the-uk-gover
The people of Britain may finally have an opportunity to exercise their democratic right to vote in what may turn out to be the most important poll in their entire lives.''Public backing for a new referendum on Theresa Mays Brexit deal has leapt in the last month, amid deep division over her approach to EU withdrawal.''https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/final-say-brexit-second-referendum-vote-petition-theresa-may-deal-eu-a8490256.html
Quote from: SydneyRover on August 14, 2018, 08:54:14 amThe people of Britain may finally have an opportunity to exercise their democratic right to vote in what may turn out to be the most important poll in their entire lives.''Public backing for a new referendum on Theresa May’s Brexit deal has leapt in the last month, amid deep division over her approach to EU withdrawal.''https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/final-say-brexit-second-referendum-vote-petition-theresa-may-deal-eu-a8490256.htmlI actually think quite a number of pro-Brexit people are warming to the Second Referendum idea, because they don't trust May to deliver what they consider a "proper" Brexit.
The people of Britain may finally have an opportunity to exercise their democratic right to vote in what may turn out to be the most important poll in their entire lives.''Public backing for a new referendum on Theresa May’s Brexit deal has leapt in the last month, amid deep division over her approach to EU withdrawal.''https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/final-say-brexit-second-referendum-vote-petition-theresa-may-deal-eu-a8490256.html
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1002254/Brexit-news-uk-business-uk-eu-trade-deal/amp
Does that surprise you? Does it shock you? Do you feel that you are being treated like an idiot by that journalist?
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on August 14, 2018, 01:20:29 pmDoes that surprise you? Does it shock you? Do you feel that you are being treated like an idiot by that journalist?I feel like it might, but the anger will be directed at the people pointing out the lie rather than the people who told the lie in the first place. Strange times.
Quote from: MachoMadness on August 14, 2018, 03:01:43 pmQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on August 14, 2018, 01:20:29 pmDoes that surprise you? Does it shock you? Do you feel that you are being treated like an idiot by that journalist?I feel like it might, but the anger will be directed at the people pointing out the lie rather than the people who told the lie in the first place. Strange times.Bit like on here, really...
Quote from: RedJ on August 14, 2018, 03:28:57 pmQuote from: MachoMadness on August 14, 2018, 03:01:43 pmQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on August 14, 2018, 01:20:29 pmDoes that surprise you? Does it shock you? Do you feel that you are being treated like an idiot by that journalist?I feel like it might, but the anger will be directed at the people pointing out the lie rather than the people who told the lie in the first place. Strange times.Bit like on here, really...True and there are so many examples on the James O' Brien LBC phone in show being played out not only here but throughout the country. Sad days indeed . The Brexiters wonder why we care so much about this too - they won't when the penny or should i say pennies finally drop/ s
https://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/james-obrien/the-van-driver-being-put-out-of-business-by-brexit/
Quote from: Glyn_Wigley on August 14, 2018, 02:20:42 pmhttps://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/james-obrien/the-van-driver-being-put-out-of-business-by-brexit/These are all worth a listen O' Brien although he does talk a little too much does deal in facts not opinion and forces his callers to back up their opinions with not only reasoned logic but fact - he doesn't suffer fools gladly
Quote from: hoolahoop on August 17, 2018, 08:22:34 amQuote from: Glyn_Wigley on August 14, 2018, 02:20:42 pmhttps://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/james-obrien/the-van-driver-being-put-out-of-business-by-brexit/These are all worth a listen O' Brien although he does talk a little too much does deal in facts not opinion and forces his callers to back up their opinions with not only reasoned logic but fact - he doesn't suffer fools gladlyHave you heard the one with the International Trade expert? It's enough to make you shit your pants when he lays it all out as it really is and not how the Brexiteers fantasise it is.
Quote from: Glyn_Wigley on August 17, 2018, 12:09:26 pmQuote from: hoolahoop on August 17, 2018, 08:22:34 amQuote from: Glyn_Wigley on August 14, 2018, 02:20:42 pmhttps://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/james-obrien/the-van-driver-being-put-out-of-business-by-brexit/These are all worth a listen O' Brien although he does talk a little too much does deal in facts not opinion and forces his callers to back up their opinions with not only reasoned logic but fact - he doesn't suffer fools gladlyHave you heard the one with the International Trade expert? It's enough to make you shit your pants when he lays it all out as it really is and not how the Brexiteers fantasise it is.Yeah heard that one Gluyn but can't help thinking that James O' Brien's voice is one on a wilderness of oncoming dystopia. The voices for Remain simply arent cutting through despite the fact that they are on the right side of the argument.JRM, Farage etc seem to have a platform to fend off any logical argument against Brexit and are using it via the MSM, the BBC, Sky News, Fox, RT etc. They have them ALL in their pocket - witness just the lack of any comment from Leavers on this forum alone to not only the phone- in above but all the facts , arguments etc that have posted on this thread .There is NOT one agreement , anywhere from any of the Leavers following this thread that they might just be wrong on anything at all . It's beyond sad.
B.Johnson’s constituency was once 57.9 per cent in favour of leaving the European Union. Now is it 51.3 per cent in favour of remaining.https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-brexit-ruislip-a8495926.htmlThat's quite a swing right?.