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Red J anybody could do a better job. just as an aside, My father as many know was In Burma during the war,and had a bad time, and came back to this country badly wounded and not knowing what sort of life he had in front of him. But he told me on his way home he had to travel via London, Coventry, and bizarrely through the worst of all Hull, he told me he cried along with others on the train, they realised that things had been just as bad at home. The country owed the U.S.A money they didn't pay back until this century, a million men were coming home to what, a country where the cities were bombed flat, and an unknown future. but the countries leaders formed the NHS, nationalised the coal, steel, transport, docks, railways telephones gas supplies and water. within seven years he with me and mum in tow moved into a brand new council house in Askern everyone was in work, miners sons had a pathway to university through education, the road infrastructure was being planned, new town centres, bridges, and hospitals built, plus many more things so much so that the prime minister within 12 years could turn to the country and say "You have never had it so good" to the population. That was because there was a generational thing to make things better, to improve life, and they also did a lot to rebuild Germany, France , Belgium etc. because they wanted to and could. Contrast that with moaning you have stolen my future, while standing on the steps of an aeroplane at the start of their gap year, or laying on the floor bladdered on a Friday and Saturday night. and worst of all, contrast the present politicians with Clement Attlee, Churchill, Bevan, who only did what they thought was the best for the country, they must all be turning in their graves watching this circus. And god knows what happened to the ambition to achieve.
Err. Benn. Not Bennett. Autocorrect is giggling at this one.
Quote from: Not Now Kato on October 20, 2018, 01:07:42 pmQuote from: hoolahoop on October 20, 2018, 10:22:26 amhttps://youtu.be/JvDAW5SjdaEIf you have a spare hour this is a very interesting viewpoint on N.Ireland and it's significance in the current talks. Well worth watching. Well worth watching indeed, from both the Remain and Leave sides. Thanks for posting Hoola. It's a real pity that our media can't publish something as detailed, open and honest - but hey, that's one of the reasons we are where we are - a largely easily manipulated public! Pleased you stuck with it NNK, I thought it was just yet another one of those " bollox filled " interviews but it was anything but . Broomstick you NEED to watch this , it will open up the whole world of the " backstop " to you and the why's and wherefore's of the Referendum itself.
Quote from: hoolahoop on October 20, 2018, 10:22:26 amhttps://youtu.be/JvDAW5SjdaEIf you have a spare hour this is a very interesting viewpoint on N.Ireland and it's significance in the current talks. Well worth watching. Well worth watching indeed, from both the Remain and Leave sides. Thanks for posting Hoola.
https://youtu.be/JvDAW5SjdaEIf you have a spare hour this is a very interesting viewpoint on N.Ireland and it's significance in the current talks. Well worth watching.
The result of the 1975 referendum was implemented and remained the case for 41 years.The result of the 2016 referendum would not be implemented at all if the anti-Brexit brigade got their way, let alone for 41 years.That's the difference.
Quote from: Akinfenwa on October 21, 2018, 10:24:22 pmThe result of the 1975 referendum was implemented and remained the case for 41 years.The result of the 2016 referendum would not be implemented at all if the anti-Brexit brigade got their way, let alone for 41 years.That's the difference.The difference being that the very 1st Referendum in 1975 was clearly laid out accurately for the public to make an " informed " choice when going into the ballot box but this one was muddy, confusing and brought about by lies, exaggerations, distortions and electoral fraud . When you thought it couldn't get any worse you then found out it was brought about by stealing and distorting individual's personal data and fuelled by huge doses of foreign money. All in all , taking this into account , do you really think this should stand or more importantly Do you really think it was an excellent exercise in democracy ? The 17.4 million " biggest " vote ever argument is wearing thin, it also had the biggest vote ever against it . The numbers are meaningless, even the narrow margin of victory is rendered meaningless when held up in front of the contextual background.
Quote from: hoolahoop on October 22, 2018, 09:14:53 amQuote from: Akinfenwa on October 21, 2018, 10:24:22 pmThe result of the 1975 referendum was implemented and remained the case for 41 years.The result of the 2016 referendum would not be implemented at all if the anti-Brexit brigade got their way, let alone for 41 years.That's the difference.The difference being that the very 1st Referendum in 1975 was clearly laid out accurately for the public to make an " informed " choice when going into the ballot box but this one was muddy, confusing and brought about by lies, exaggerations, distortions and electoral fraud . When you thought it couldn't get any worse you then found out it was brought about by stealing and distorting individual's personal data and fuelled by huge doses of foreign money. All in all , taking this into account , do you really think this should stand or more importantly Do you really think it was an excellent exercise in democracy ? The 17.4 million " biggest " vote ever argument is wearing thin, it also had the biggest vote ever against it . The numbers are meaningless, even the narrow margin of victory is rendered meaningless when held up in front of the contextual background. The problem with that argument is that just about everything that the NO side said would happen at the time of the 1975 Referendum came to pass. Something that Leave was not slow to point out of course.
Quote from: selby on October 21, 2018, 07:26:14 pm Red J anybody could do a better job. just as an aside, My father as many know was In Burma during the war,and had a bad time, and came back to this country badly wounded and not knowing what sort of life he had in front of him. But he told me on his way home he had to travel via London, Coventry, and bizarrely through the worst of all Hull, he told me he cried along with others on the train, they realised that things had been just as bad at home. The country owed the U.S.A money they didn't pay back until this century, a million men were coming home to what, a country where the cities were bombed flat, and an unknown future. but the countries leaders formed the NHS, nationalised the coal, steel, transport, docks, railways telephones gas supplies and water. within seven years he with me and mum in tow moved into a brand new council house in Askern everyone was in work, miners sons had a pathway to university through education, the road infrastructure was being planned, new town centres, bridges, and hospitals built, plus many more things so much so that the prime minister within 12 years could turn to the country and say "You have never had it so good" to the population. That was because there was a generational thing to make things better, to improve life, and they also did a lot to rebuild Germany, France , Belgium etc. because they wanted to and could. Contrast that with moaning you have stolen my future, while standing on the steps of an aeroplane at the start of their gap year, or laying on the floor bladdered on a Friday and Saturday night. and worst of all, contrast the present politicians with Clement Attlee, Churchill, Bevan, who only did what they thought was the best for the country, they must all be turning in their graves watching this circus. And god knows what happened to the ambition to achieve.Hmm we have one or two things in common in that my dear old grandad was the father of 7 youngsters in the east end of London. He went to war and like your dad ended up as a proud owner of a Burma Star he eventually received in the 1980s, half a stomach from the deprivation and beatings, malaria and all sorts of skin conditions, he received after years in a Japanese POW camp . He eventually came home to a scattered family and a blown-up home. He not only felt he had been forgotten but that his family had been forgotten for years . Perhaps only when his family had managed to get themselves settled in a 3 bedroom pre-fabricated council house for the 9 of them in early 1951could he breathe freely once again. I know little about his experiences despite spending many 1000s of hours in his company. What I do know is he never spent his life " hating " , he wasn't that sort of man - he was strong, brave but a modest man who loved his family , loved his country but recognised both the weaknesses and strengths of our country. He never once "claimed " we won the war or to my knowledge hated a German or the Japanese though was wary of the former and always avoided talk if possible of the latter Japanese. They were tough years for the whole world Selby and contrary to popular belief we didn't bail out the world, the world bailed out the world. People's of every nation trying to recover their lives, broken bodies, lost lives, communities lost forever , minorities wiped out by genocidal maniacs, cities blown up by atomic bombs, Dresden, Auschwitz, Burmese railroads, 100,000s of women raped by rampaging soldiers etc etc. EtcHowever we not just the English, the British or the Yanks WE ALL managed to rebuild this world, made it safer, educated , created, liberated, made it fairer, moved forward all this could only be done by all of us dropping most if not all of our " exceptionalist " or xenophobic , mysogynistic attitudes. You see my grandad and indeed my dad who served in Malaya during the communist uprisings would be appalled at your sweeping comments about our young people . Indeed my own daughter studies abroad and was In Auschwitz only this last Thursday ..... Do you know why these feckless / gap year kids are there or are trekking around the battlefields of Ypres or standing for services at the The Menon memorial ? so they don't go fecking backwards , so they learn from the mistakes of the past, so that they can ensure they DON'T happen again. So they can try and put prejudices aside.I'm not ashamed to say that my daughter would never be able to afford to go but for the Erasmus + scheme. She's educating herself , I hope that she and her generation will not make the mistakes of the past. Do you know what she rooms with a Dane, Chinese , Italian, Norwegian and some Aussies. They learn to live together , learn from one another not sit in isolation. I know only that my family, ALL her ancestors would be proud of her and the many like her who want to build a brighter future for everyone based on the extraordinary people who prepared the path for them. People that swore not once but twice that it would be the last time ....Now it HAS to be the last time !We should not be looking to blow up the path into the future by taking them back to those dark days. I wish my grandad could have met yours because you never know they may well have been mates and I'm sure they wouldn't want to pull our children back or divide and weaken them. I was loathe to post this as it's so personal but after much thought ; I think any youngsters on here should read a different narrative to the one you have laid before them. The Empire has gone but not the individuality of our people. Our history is always there, our great people are written about and studied more often than not revered. They were at their most creative when they were at their most free and for some you would only equate that with being outwith our neighbours .I believe that we are shrinking away from our destiny by following the path that leads to a possible cliff edge. " Contrast that with moaning you have stolen my future, while standing on the steps of an aeroplane at the start of their gap year, or laying on the floor bladdered on a Friday and Saturday night. " Selby , I simply don't recognise the sweeping statements above of our young having met them and their international friends. I simply don't know whether to accept my experience of this young generation or the sweeping " Daily Express " fuelled comments that you seem to think exist.If you don't mind I will stick with my former rather than your latter viewpoint of our young.
Quote from: hoolahoop on October 21, 2018, 11:23:20 pmQuote from: selby on October 21, 2018, 07:26:14 pm Red J anybody could do a better job. just as an aside, My father as many know was In Burma during the war,and had a bad time, and came back to this country badly wounded and not knowing what sort of life he had in front of him. But he told me on his way home he had to travel via London, Coventry, and bizarrely through the worst of all Hull, he told me he cried along with others on the train, they realised that things had been just as bad at home. The country owed the U.S.A money they didn't pay back until this century, a million men were coming home to what, a country where the cities were bombed flat, and an unknown future. but the countries leaders formed the NHS, nationalised the coal, steel, transport, docks, railways telephones gas supplies and water. within seven years he with me and mum in tow moved into a brand new council house in Askern everyone was in work, miners sons had a pathway to university through education, the road infrastructure was being planned, new town centres, bridges, and hospitals built, plus many more things so much so that the prime minister within 12 years could turn to the country and say "You have never had it so good" to the population. That was because there was a generational thing to make things better, to improve life, and they also did a lot to rebuild Germany, France , Belgium etc. because they wanted to and could. Contrast that with moaning you have stolen my future, while standing on the steps of an aeroplane at the start of their gap year, or laying on the floor bladdered on a Friday and Saturday night. and worst of all, contrast the present politicians with Clement Attlee, Churchill, Bevan, who only did what they thought was the best for the country, they must all be turning in their graves watching this circus. And god knows what happened to the ambition to achieve.Hmm we have one or two things in common in that my dear old grandad was the father of 7 youngsters in the east end of London. He went to war and like your dad ended up as a proud owner of a Burma Star he eventually received in the 1980s, half a stomach from the deprivation and beatings, malaria and all sorts of skin conditions, he received after years in a Japanese POW camp . He eventually came home to a scattered family and a blown-up home. He not only felt he had been forgotten but that his family had been forgotten for years . Perhaps only when his family had managed to get themselves settled in a 3 bedroom pre-fabricated council house for the 9 of them in early 1951could he breathe freely once again. I know little about his experiences despite spending many 1000s of hours in his company. What I do know is he never spent his life " hating " , he wasn't that sort of man - he was strong, brave but a modest man who loved his family , loved his country but recognised both the weaknesses and strengths of our country. He never once "claimed " we won the war or to my knowledge hated a German or the Japanese though was wary of the former and always avoided talk if possible of the latter Japanese. They were tough years for the whole world Selby and contrary to popular belief we didn't bail out the world, the world bailed out the world. People's of every nation trying to recover their lives, broken bodies, lost lives, communities lost forever , minorities wiped out by genocidal maniacs, cities blown up by atomic bombs, Dresden, Auschwitz, Burmese railroads, 100,000s of women raped by rampaging soldiers etc etc. EtcHowever we not just the English, the British or the Yanks WE ALL managed to rebuild this world, made it safer, educated , created, liberated, made it fairer, moved forward all this could only be done by all of us dropping most if not all of our " exceptionalist " or xenophobic , mysogynistic attitudes. You see my grandad and indeed my dad who served in Malaya during the communist uprisings would be appalled at your sweeping comments about our young people . Indeed my own daughter studies abroad and was In Auschwitz only this last Thursday ..... Do you know why these feckless / gap year kids are there or are trekking around the battlefields of Ypres or standing for services at the The Menon memorial ? so they don't go fecking backwards , so they learn from the mistakes of the past, so that they can ensure they DON'T happen again. So they can try and put prejudices aside.I'm not ashamed to say that my daughter would never be able to afford to go but for the Erasmus + scheme. She's educating herself , I hope that she and her generation will not make the mistakes of the past. Do you know what she rooms with a Dane, Chinese , Italian, Norwegian and some Aussies. They learn to live together , learn from one another not sit in isolation. I know only that my family, ALL her ancestors would be proud of her and the many like her who want to build a brighter future for everyone based on the extraordinary people who prepared the path for them. People that swore not once but twice that it would be the last time ....Now it HAS to be the last time !We should not be looking to blow up the path into the future by taking them back to those dark days. I wish my grandad could have met yours because you never know they may well have been mates and I'm sure they wouldn't want to pull our children back or divide and weaken them. I was loathe to post this as it's so personal but after much thought ; I think any youngsters on here should read a different narrative to the one you have laid before them. The Empire has gone but not the individuality of our people. Our history is always there, our great people are written about and studied more often than not revered. They were at their most creative when they were at their most free and for some you would only equate that with being outwith our neighbours .I believe that we are shrinking away from our destiny by following the path that leads to a possible cliff edge. " Contrast that with moaning you have stolen my future, while standing on the steps of an aeroplane at the start of their gap year, or laying on the floor bladdered on a Friday and Saturday night. " Selby , I simply don't recognise the sweeping statements above of our young having met them and their international friends. I simply don't know whether to accept my experience of this young generation or the sweeping " Daily Express " fuelled comments that you seem to think exist.If you don't mind I will stick with my former rather than your latter viewpoint of our young.Hoola, it's admirable of you to give great praise to many of today's youngsters who make the most of their education, visit other countries, and learn about different people and different cultures; I admire them as well.However, if you believe that all of today's young generation are like that, then you're living on a different planet to me; spice-heads, crack-heads, violent chavs, foul mouthed drunken women with tattooed necks wanting to fight everybody; that's the reality I see all around me; and no, I don't read the Daily Express or any other newspaper, because they all have left or right wing political agendas, every one of them. I form my opinions on what I see, and what I feel.
Quote from: The Red Baron on October 22, 2018, 09:37:12 amQuote from: hoolahoop on October 22, 2018, 09:14:53 amQuote from: Akinfenwa on October 21, 2018, 10:24:22 pmThe result of the 1975 referendum was implemented and remained the case for 41 years.The result of the 2016 referendum would not be implemented at all if the anti-Brexit brigade got their way, let alone for 41 years.That's the difference.The difference being that the very 1st Referendum in 1975 was clearly laid out accurately for the public to make an " informed " choice when going into the ballot box but this one was muddy, confusing and brought about by lies, exaggerations, distortions and electoral fraud . When you thought it couldn't get any worse you then found out it was brought about by stealing and distorting individual's personal data and fuelled by huge doses of foreign money. All in all , taking this into account , do you really think this should stand or more importantly Do you really think it was an excellent exercise in democracy ? The 17.4 million " biggest " vote ever argument is wearing thin, it also had the biggest vote ever against it . The numbers are meaningless, even the narrow margin of victory is rendered meaningless when held up in front of the contextual background. The problem with that argument is that just about everything that the NO side said would happen at the time of the 1975 Referendum came to pass. Something that Leave was not slow to point out of course.How does that stand up to the comparison that just about everything the Leave side said during the 2016 referendum campaign hasn't come to pass? At least in 1975 the electorate were given good information and then they decided which way to vote based on it. Did that happen in 2016?
Quote from: scawsby steve on October 22, 2018, 05:02:45 pmQuote from: hoolahoop on October 21, 2018, 11:23:20 pmQuote from: selby on October 21, 2018, 07:26:14 pm Red J anybody could do a better job. just as an aside, My father as many know was In Burma during the war,and had a bad time, and came back to this country badly wounded and not knowing what sort of life he had in front of him. But he told me on his way home he had to travel via London, Coventry, and bizarrely through the worst of all Hull, he told me he cried along with others on the train, they realised that things had been just as bad at home. The country owed the U.S.A money they didn't pay back until this century, a million men were coming home to what, a country where the cities were bombed flat, and an unknown future. but the countries leaders formed the NHS, nationalised the coal, steel, transport, docks, railways telephones gas supplies and water. within seven years he with me and mum in tow moved into a brand new council house in Askern everyone was in work, miners sons had a pathway to university through education, the road infrastructure was being planned, new town centres, bridges, and hospitals built, plus many more things so much so that the prime minister within 12 years could turn to the country and say "You have never had it so good" to the population. That was because there was a generational thing to make things better, to improve life, and they also did a lot to rebuild Germany, France , Belgium etc. because they wanted to and could. Contrast that with moaning you have stolen my future, while standing on the steps of an aeroplane at the start of their gap year, or laying on the floor bladdered on a Friday and Saturday night. and worst of all, contrast the present politicians with Clement Attlee, Churchill, Bevan, who only did what they thought was the best for the country, they must all be turning in their graves watching this circus. And god knows what happened to the ambition to achieve.Hmm we have one or two things in common in that my dear old grandad was the father of 7 youngsters in the east end of London. He went to war and like your dad ended up as a proud owner of a Burma Star he eventually received in the 1980s, half a stomach from the deprivation and beatings, malaria and all sorts of skin conditions, he received after years in a Japanese POW camp . He eventually came home to a scattered family and a blown-up home. He not only felt he had been forgotten but that his family had been forgotten for years . Perhaps only when his family had managed to get themselves settled in a 3 bedroom pre-fabricated council house for the 9 of them in early 1951could he breathe freely once again. I know little about his experiences despite spending many 1000s of hours in his company. What I do know is he never spent his life " hating " , he wasn't that sort of man - he was strong, brave but a modest man who loved his family , loved his country but recognised both the weaknesses and strengths of our country. He never once "claimed " we won the war or to my knowledge hated a German or the Japanese though was wary of the former and always avoided talk if possible of the latter Japanese. They were tough years for the whole world Selby and contrary to popular belief we didn't bail out the world, the world bailed out the world. People's of every nation trying to recover their lives, broken bodies, lost lives, communities lost forever , minorities wiped out by genocidal maniacs, cities blown up by atomic bombs, Dresden, Auschwitz, Burmese railroads, 100,000s of women raped by rampaging soldiers etc etc. EtcHowever we not just the English, the British or the Yanks WE ALL managed to rebuild this world, made it safer, educated , created, liberated, made it fairer, moved forward all this could only be done by all of us dropping most if not all of our " exceptionalist " or xenophobic , mysogynistic attitudes. You see my grandad and indeed my dad who served in Malaya during the communist uprisings would be appalled at your sweeping comments about our young people . Indeed my own daughter studies abroad and was In Auschwitz only this last Thursday ..... Do you know why these feckless / gap year kids are there or are trekking around the battlefields of Ypres or standing for services at the The Menon memorial ? so they don't go fecking backwards , so they learn from the mistakes of the past, so that they can ensure they DON'T happen again. So they can try and put prejudices aside.I'm not ashamed to say that my daughter would never be able to afford to go but for the Erasmus + scheme. She's educating herself , I hope that she and her generation will not make the mistakes of the past. Do you know what she rooms with a Dane, Chinese , Italian, Norwegian and some Aussies. They learn to live together , learn from one another not sit in isolation. I know only that my family, ALL her ancestors would be proud of her and the many like her who want to build a brighter future for everyone based on the extraordinary people who prepared the path for them. People that swore not once but twice that it would be the last time ....Now it HAS to be the last time !We should not be looking to blow up the path into the future by taking them back to those dark days. I wish my grandad could have met yours because you never know they may well have been mates and I'm sure they wouldn't want to pull our children back or divide and weaken them. I was loathe to post this as it's so personal but after much thought ; I think any youngsters on here should read a different narrative to the one you have laid before them. The Empire has gone but not the individuality of our people. Our history is always there, our great people are written about and studied more often than not revered. They were at their most creative when they were at their most free and for some you would only equate that with being outwith our neighbours .I believe that we are shrinking away from our destiny by following the path that leads to a possible cliff edge. " Contrast that with moaning you have stolen my future, while standing on the steps of an aeroplane at the start of their gap year, or laying on the floor bladdered on a Friday and Saturday night. " Selby , I simply don't recognise the sweeping statements above of our young having met them and their international friends. I simply don't know whether to accept my experience of this young generation or the sweeping " Daily Express " fuelled comments that you seem to think exist.If you don't mind I will stick with my former rather than your latter viewpoint of our young.Hoola, it's admirable of you to give great praise to many of today's youngsters who make the most of their education, visit other countries, and learn about different people and different cultures; I admire them as well.However, if you believe that all of today's young generation are like that, then you're living on a different planet to me; spice-heads, crack-heads, violent chavs, foul mouthed drunken women with tattooed necks wanting to fight everybody; that's the reality I see all around me; and no, I don't read the Daily Express or any other newspaper, because they all have left or right wing political agendas, every one of them. I form my opinions on what I see, and what I feel. I didn't realise it was the bad in Scawsby
Quote from: Not Now Kato on October 22, 2018, 05:13:34 pmQuote from: scawsby steve on October 22, 2018, 05:02:45 pmQuote from: hoolahoop on October 21, 2018, 11:23:20 pmQuote from: selby on October 21, 2018, 07:26:14 pm Red J anybody could do a better job. just as an aside, My father as many know was In Burma during the war,and had a bad time, and came back to this country badly wounded and not knowing what sort of life he had in front of him. But he told me on his way home he had to travel via London, Coventry, and bizarrely through the worst of all Hull, he told me he cried along with others on the train, they realised that things had been just as bad at home. The country owed the U.S.A money they didn't pay back until this century, a million men were coming home to what, a country where the cities were bombed flat, and an unknown future. but the countries leaders formed the NHS, nationalised the coal, steel, transport, docks, railways telephones gas supplies and water. within seven years he with me and mum in tow moved into a brand new council house in Askern everyone was in work, miners sons had a pathway to university through education, the road infrastructure was being planned, new town centres, bridges, and hospitals built, plus many more things so much so that the prime minister within 12 years could turn to the country and say "You have never had it so good" to the population. That was because there was a generational thing to make things better, to improve life, and they also did a lot to rebuild Germany, France , Belgium etc. because they wanted to and could. Contrast that with moaning you have stolen my future, while standing on the steps of an aeroplane at the start of their gap year, or laying on the floor bladdered on a Friday and Saturday night. and worst of all, contrast the present politicians with Clement Attlee, Churchill, Bevan, who only did what they thought was the best for the country, they must all be turning in their graves watching this circus. And god knows what happened to the ambition to achieve.Hmm we have one or two things in common in that my dear old grandad was the father of 7 youngsters in the east end of London. He went to war and like your dad ended up as a proud owner of a Burma Star he eventually received in the 1980s, half a stomach from the deprivation and beatings, malaria and all sorts of skin conditions, he received after years in a Japanese POW camp . He eventually came home to a scattered family and a blown-up home. He not only felt he had been forgotten but that his family had been forgotten for years . Perhaps only when his family had managed to get themselves settled in a 3 bedroom pre-fabricated council house for the 9 of them in early 1951could he breathe freely once again. I know little about his experiences despite spending many 1000s of hours in his company. What I do know is he never spent his life " hating " , he wasn't that sort of man - he was strong, brave but a modest man who loved his family , loved his country but recognised both the weaknesses and strengths of our country. He never once "claimed " we won the war or to my knowledge hated a German or the Japanese though was wary of the former and always avoided talk if possible of the latter Japanese. They were tough years for the whole world Selby and contrary to popular belief we didn't bail out the world, the world bailed out the world. People's of every nation trying to recover their lives, broken bodies, lost lives, communities lost forever , minorities wiped out by genocidal maniacs, cities blown up by atomic bombs, Dresden, Auschwitz, Burmese railroads, 100,000s of women raped by rampaging soldiers etc etc. EtcHowever we not just the English, the British or the Yanks WE ALL managed to rebuild this world, made it safer, educated , created, liberated, made it fairer, moved forward all this could only be done by all of us dropping most if not all of our " exceptionalist " or xenophobic , mysogynistic attitudes. You see my grandad and indeed my dad who served in Malaya during the communist uprisings would be appalled at your sweeping comments about our young people . Indeed my own daughter studies abroad and was In Auschwitz only this last Thursday ..... Do you know why these feckless / gap year kids are there or are trekking around the battlefields of Ypres or standing for services at the The Menon memorial ? so they don't go fecking backwards , so they learn from the mistakes of the past, so that they can ensure they DON'T happen again. So they can try and put prejudices aside.I'm not ashamed to say that my daughter would never be able to afford to go but for the Erasmus + scheme. She's educating herself , I hope that she and her generation will not make the mistakes of the past. Do you know what she rooms with a Dane, Chinese , Italian, Norwegian and some Aussies. They learn to live together , learn from one another not sit in isolation. I know only that my family, ALL her ancestors would be proud of her and the many like her who want to build a brighter future for everyone based on the extraordinary people who prepared the path for them. People that swore not once but twice that it would be the last time ....Now it HAS to be the last time !We should not be looking to blow up the path into the future by taking them back to those dark days. I wish my grandad could have met yours because you never know they may well have been mates and I'm sure they wouldn't want to pull our children back or divide and weaken them. I was loathe to post this as it's so personal but after much thought ; I think any youngsters on here should read a different narrative to the one you have laid before them. The Empire has gone but not the individuality of our people. Our history is always there, our great people are written about and studied more often than not revered. They were at their most creative when they were at their most free and for some you would only equate that with being outwith our neighbours .I believe that we are shrinking away from our destiny by following the path that leads to a possible cliff edge. " Contrast that with moaning you have stolen my future, while standing on the steps of an aeroplane at the start of their gap year, or laying on the floor bladdered on a Friday and Saturday night. " Selby , I simply don't recognise the sweeping statements above of our young having met them and their international friends. I simply don't know whether to accept my experience of this young generation or the sweeping " Daily Express " fuelled comments that you seem to think exist.If you don't mind I will stick with my former rather than your latter viewpoint of our young.Hoola, it's admirable of you to give great praise to many of today's youngsters who make the most of their education, visit other countries, and learn about different people and different cultures; I admire them as well.However, if you believe that all of today's young generation are like that, then you're living on a different planet to me; spice-heads, crack-heads, violent chavs, foul mouthed drunken women with tattooed necks wanting to fight everybody; that's the reality I see all around me; and no, I don't read the Daily Express or any other newspaper, because they all have left or right wing political agendas, every one of them. I form my opinions on what I see, and what I feel. I didn't realise it was the bad in Scawsby Actually, I don't live in Scawsby NNK, not too far away though. Come on mate, you know as well as I do that this country's been heading this way since Thatcher destroyed working class communities.The sad thing is that no government ever since, of any political persuasion, has done anything about it.
I wonder if our political elite would pull together on the same side if we sent a united message that we no longer require their services in parliament or the house of Lords. And cannot see the point of the costs they incur on the taxpayers. We are now all quite happy for the EU MP's to represent us in the Eu parliament in Brussels, and for our Laws to be set by the EU courts. Do you think that the parties would speak with one voice.