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Quote from: Glyn_Wigley on June 16, 2022, 05:08:58 pmQuote from: tyke1962 on June 16, 2022, 05:01:48 pmAnd still Labour are only two points ahead of Johnson , I'll not use the word Conservative Party .Something not reight somewhere .Aye, you.The latest poll of polls I've just looked at has Labour 6% ahead.https://www.politico.eu/europe-poll-of-polls/united-kingdom/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_next_United_Kingdom_general_election#2022I stand corrected , 6% wow !!!
Quote from: tyke1962 on June 16, 2022, 05:01:48 pmAnd still Labour are only two points ahead of Johnson , I'll not use the word Conservative Party .Something not reight somewhere .Aye, you.The latest poll of polls I've just looked at has Labour 6% ahead.https://www.politico.eu/europe-poll-of-polls/united-kingdom/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_next_United_Kingdom_general_election#2022
And still Labour are only two points ahead of Johnson , I'll not use the word Conservative Party .Something not reight somewhere .
Quote from: tyke1962 on June 16, 2022, 08:32:53 pmQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on June 16, 2022, 08:07:51 pmFee fi fo fum. I smell the blood of a Tarn Tory.To tell the truth William if both the major party's were cars you'd have taken them to the scrap yard decades ago .I find both in varying degrees absolutely grotesque .They both survive because of tribalism and our voting system , that's the only thing that keeps them alive .The very best of luck getting the country that you want then.In our FPTP system, politics isn't about you saying "give me exactly what I demand or I'm not playing." It's about growing up, gritting your teeth and getting the least bad outcome on offer.If you don't engage with that, and as a result, Johnson gets back in power, you can wave your conscience from the highest flagpole in Barnsley. But it won't change the fact. YOU will have chosen to put Johnson back in No10.Your call.
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on June 16, 2022, 08:07:51 pmFee fi fo fum. I smell the blood of a Tarn Tory.To tell the truth William if both the major party's were cars you'd have taken them to the scrap yard decades ago .I find both in varying degrees absolutely grotesque .They both survive because of tribalism and our voting system , that's the only thing that keeps them alive .
Fee fi fo fum. I smell the blood of a Tarn Tory.
Quote from: tyke1962 on June 16, 2022, 06:02:37 pmQuote from: Glyn_Wigley on June 16, 2022, 05:08:58 pmQuote from: tyke1962 on June 16, 2022, 05:01:48 pmAnd still Labour are only two points ahead of Johnson , I'll not use the word Conservative Party .Something not reight somewhere .Aye, you.The latest poll of polls I've just looked at has Labour 6% ahead.https://www.politico.eu/europe-poll-of-polls/united-kingdom/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_next_United_Kingdom_general_election#2022I stand corrected , 6% wow !!!He stands corrected, wow!!!
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on June 16, 2022, 09:38:56 pmQuote from: tyke1962 on June 16, 2022, 08:32:53 pmQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on June 16, 2022, 08:07:51 pmFee fi fo fum. I smell the blood of a Tarn Tory.To tell the truth William if both the major party's were cars you'd have taken them to the scrap yard decades ago .I find both in varying degrees absolutely grotesque .They both survive because of tribalism and our voting system , that's the only thing that keeps them alive .The very best of luck getting the country that you want then.In our FPTP system, politics isn't about you saying "give me exactly what I demand or I'm not playing." It's about growing up, gritting your teeth and getting the least bad outcome on offer.If you don't engage with that, and as a result, Johnson gets back in power, you can wave your conscience from the highest flagpole in Barnsley. But it won't change the fact. YOU will have chosen to put Johnson back in No10.Your call.So what happens if Johnson gets replaced as Tory leader? You won't have this theory to fall back on.Maybe if Keith would start suggesting some credible alternative policies, instead of looking just as useless as the rest of them, then people might consider taking the trouble to turn out and vote.
Quote from: Glyn_Wigley on June 16, 2022, 09:58:55 pmQuote from: tyke1962 on June 16, 2022, 06:02:37 pmQuote from: Glyn_Wigley on June 16, 2022, 05:08:58 pmQuote from: tyke1962 on June 16, 2022, 05:01:48 pmAnd still Labour are only two points ahead of Johnson , I'll not use the word Conservative Party .Something not reight somewhere .Aye, you.The latest poll of polls I've just looked at has Labour 6% ahead.https://www.politico.eu/europe-poll-of-polls/united-kingdom/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_next_United_Kingdom_general_election#2022I stand corrected , 6% wow !!!He stands corrected, wow!!!Come on, Glyn. You know as much as the rest of us that a 6% lead against an unpopular government in mid-term is absolutely w*nk.If the LP looked in any way credible, they would be 20% up by now.
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on June 16, 2022, 05:30:50 pmOf course it won't be a walkover. Anything could happen yet. And 30% of the population are now so wedded to Project Johnson that he could rape a sheep in the doorway of No10 and they'd find a reason to excuse him.Couple of old dears from Tiverton on R4 news this lunchtime. "Yes he might have had a few drinks, but why did everybody go on so much about it. Boris has had so much on his plate. He had to deal with COVID. And all the problems with Brexit."God help us...Terrible innit William , democracy and all that .
Of course it won't be a walkover. Anything could happen yet. And 30% of the population are now so wedded to Project Johnson that he could rape a sheep in the doorway of No10 and they'd find a reason to excuse him.Couple of old dears from Tiverton on R4 news this lunchtime. "Yes he might have had a few drinks, but why did everybody go on so much about it. Boris has had so much on his plate. He had to deal with COVID. And all the problems with Brexit."God help us...
Quote from: tyke1962 on June 16, 2022, 06:03:19 pmQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on June 16, 2022, 05:30:50 pmOf course it won't be a walkover. Anything could happen yet. And 30% of the population are now so wedded to Project Johnson that he could rape a sheep in the doorway of No10 and they'd find a reason to excuse him.Couple of old dears from Tiverton on R4 news this lunchtime. "Yes he might have had a few drinks, but why did everybody go on so much about it. Boris has had so much on his plate. He had to deal with COVID. And all the problems with Brexit."God help us...Terrible innit William , democracy and all that .Are you someone who feels we have something close to democracy in this country? Most elections and votes are decided by who or what the media supports, ie the media who are owned by the establishment. The media campaigns are done during election periods as well as every single day outside of that. People are lied to on every level. That is almost as much a democracy as a flat out dictatorship is.
Sometimes Tyke you have to be careful what you wish for, The French have had to learn the hard way that when you disagree with whats on offer some bright spark comes up with a a party like Macrons En Marche (changed their name to Renaissance)With this being a complete middle of the road, all things to all men party they now realise that this plonker promised plenty and delivered very little. With a good chance of his presidential tenure becoming a lame duck with the voting this weekend it could become a very long 5 years for this pumped up bantam.The gist of my post is if we are not careful we too could end up with an awful hash of a LibLab love in, with the dire prospect of some of our current worst issues being dragged up and regurgitated until the pips squeak. How this is supposed to help us recover from this worsening economic climate, nobody knows, but what i do know is it would result in the worst 5 years most people alive today would have had to witness.
Quote from: Bristol Red Rover on June 17, 2022, 10:56:09 amQuote from: tyke1962 on June 16, 2022, 06:03:19 pmQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on June 16, 2022, 05:30:50 pmOf course it won't be a walkover. Anything could happen yet. And 30% of the population are now so wedded to Project Johnson that he could rape a sheep in the doorway of No10 and they'd find a reason to excuse him.Couple of old dears from Tiverton on R4 news this lunchtime. "Yes he might have had a few drinks, but why did everybody go on so much about it. Boris has had so much on his plate. He had to deal with COVID. And all the problems with Brexit."God help us...Terrible innit William , democracy and all that .Are you someone who feels we have something close to democracy in this country? Most elections and votes are decided by who or what the media supports, ie the media who are owned by the establishment. The media campaigns are done during election periods as well as every single day outside of that. People are lied to on every level. That is almost as much a democracy as a flat out dictatorship is.As far as I know you are free to tick any box on a ballot paper and so long as you don't spoil it then it will be counted .That's as free as it's possible to be .I don't buy in to the bias media coverage because generally people will read what connects to them rather than they are influenced by it .It's extremely rare they will read what they don't politically agree with , Sydney is a classic example with his Guardian links and Billy clear follows people on twitter with views he agrees with .I'm always going to push hard against anybody telling me how I should vote and I have good reason to think like that because it's never left me how I lost everything in a strike we possibly couldn't win and if my union had put a democratic procedure in place things may well have worked out differently .I swore then nobody but nobody would ever influence me , I am my own person with my own life with things going on that are probably way different to someone else .The biggest threat to democracy is the current way we elect governments and a system endorsed by the Conservative Party and Labour .Which is why basically you get two choices and why both parties are not fit for purpose anyone .A genuine bit of competition would totally transform our system .Clearly they are frightened of it .
Quote from: tyke1962 on June 16, 2022, 06:03:19 pmQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on June 16, 2022, 05:30:50 pmOf course it won't be a walkover. Anything could happen yet. And 30% of the population are now so wedded to Project Johnson that he could rape a sheep in the doorway of No10 and they'd find a reason to excuse him.Couple of old dears from Tiverton on R4 news this lunchtime. "Yes he might have had a few drinks, but why did everybody go on so much about it. Boris has had so much on his plate. He had to deal with COVID. And all the problems with Brexit."God help us...Terrible innit William , democracy and all that .Are you someone who feels we have something close to democracy in this country? Most elections and votes are decided by who or what the media supports, ie the media who are owned by the establishment. The media campaigns are done during election periods as well as every single day outside of that. People are lied to on every level. That is almost as much a democracy as a flat out dictatorship is.
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on June 16, 2022, 05:30:50 pmOf course it won't be a walkover. Anything could happen yet. And 30% of the population are now so wedded to Project Johnson that he could rape a sheep in the doorway of No10 and they'd find a reason to excuse him.Couple of old dears from Tiverton on R4 news this lunchtime. "Yes he might have had a few drinks, but why did everybody go on so much about it. Boris has had so much on his plate. He had to deal with COVID. And all the problems with Brexit."God help us...Terrible innit William , democracy and all that .
Of course it won't be a walkover. Anything could happen yet. And 30% of the population are now so wedded to Project Johnson that he could rape a sheep in the doorway of No10 and they'd find a reason to excuse him.Couple of old dears from Tiverton on R4 news this lunchtime. "Yes he might have had a few drinks, but why did everybody go on so much about it. Boris has had so much on his plate. He had to deal with COVID. And all the problems with Brexit."God help us...
Surely if it is a close run thing you vote for either the party you want to get in and failing that the the party that will beat your least favourite party. Usually Labour or Conservative.I would hate to vote for my party and come a distant third or fourth and then see my least favourite party win by a narrow margin.Surely that's how it works hound?