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We have bumbled into this without any comprehension of what we wanted from it, still less how to achieve that.
Apologies. I obviously misunderstood your 10:35 and 10:46 posts. What DO you think would be the desirable outcome then?
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on November 15, 2018, 01:08:23 pmApologies. I obviously misunderstood your 10:35 and 10:46 posts. What DO you think would be the desirable outcome then?You mis-intetpreted them to suit you agenda. To answer your question. Re-negotiation.
HAYep. Organised, principled, consistent. That's the way they've approached the negotiation. Whereas we have been a clusterf**k of shambolic amateurs.
No BS. I didn't. It was a simple and honest mistake. Why on earth would I try to twist your words to suit some agenda? That would be very silly, because you could point out the correct situation and I'd be left looking stupid.Anyway. Re-negotiate WHAT? Re-negotiation is a means to an end, not an end in itself?What outcome would you want to see?I'll make it simpler, because that is a very wide question.Would you be prepared to accept us remaining tied into the structure of the Customs Union, and therefore unable to make independent trade deals with other countries?
Quote from: MachoMadness on November 15, 2018, 10:51:36 amQuote from: Filo on November 15, 2018, 10:29:59 amQuote from: Not Now Kato on November 15, 2018, 10:18:36 amQuote from: Filo on November 15, 2018, 10:16:54 amAnd another one resigns!! ayep. Now Esther McVey. There's not going to be many left at this rate! Horrible woman good riddenceDo you think she'll need some help with her Universal Credit application?I hope she can explain what she’s being doing to find work since 10am 😀😀
Quote from: Filo on November 15, 2018, 10:29:59 amQuote from: Not Now Kato on November 15, 2018, 10:18:36 amQuote from: Filo on November 15, 2018, 10:16:54 amAnd another one resigns!! ayep. Now Esther McVey. There's not going to be many left at this rate! Horrible woman good riddenceDo you think she'll need some help with her Universal Credit application?
Quote from: Not Now Kato on November 15, 2018, 10:18:36 amQuote from: Filo on November 15, 2018, 10:16:54 amAnd another one resigns!! ayep. Now Esther McVey. There's not going to be many left at this rate! Horrible woman good riddence
Quote from: Filo on November 15, 2018, 10:16:54 amAnd another one resigns!! ayep. Now Esther McVey. There's not going to be many left at this rate!
And another one resigns!!
What criticisms are you referring to?
Treason May didn't even wait a week until after Armistice day before surrendering to the EUSSR.If this joke gets passed we are doomed forever to be slaves to the EU dictatorship.The only sane option is to leave with no deal as we voted for two years ago.If this gets passed then no-one should ever buy any European product ever again.
Quote from: Axholme Lion on November 15, 2018, 02:03:04 pmTreason May didn't even wait a week until after Armistice day before surrendering to the EUSSR.If this joke gets passed we are doomed forever to be slaves to the EU dictatorship.The only sane option is to leave with no deal as we voted for two years ago.If this gets passed then no-one should ever buy any European product ever again.Don’t buy any European products again? Wouldn’t we all starve?
HAWell yes. Two deeply euro-sceptic politicians, one of them a senior member of a quasi-fascist party criticise the EU. Not a massive surprise.
BSIts strange to call facing up to facts "a trap", but I'm guessing you've seen your problem. If you don't accept that, then by definition you've just said you want No Deal.
Quote from: Herbert Anchovy on November 15, 2018, 02:13:53 pmQuote from: Axholme Lion on November 15, 2018, 02:03:04 pmTreason May didn't even wait a week until after Armistice day before surrendering to the EUSSR.If this joke gets passed we are doomed forever to be slaves to the EU dictatorship.The only sane option is to leave with no deal as we voted for two years ago.If this gets passed then no-one should ever buy any European product ever again.Don’t buy any European products again? Wouldn’t we all starve?Here's a revolutionary idea for you; BUY BRITISH! It worked for years and funnily enough we all had jobs...
Quote from: Axholme Lion on November 15, 2018, 02:16:35 pmQuote from: Herbert Anchovy on November 15, 2018, 02:13:53 pmQuote from: Axholme Lion on November 15, 2018, 02:03:04 pmTreason May didn't even wait a week until after Armistice day before surrendering to the EUSSR.If this joke gets passed we are doomed forever to be slaves to the EU dictatorship.The only sane option is to leave with no deal as we voted for two years ago.If this gets passed then no-one should ever buy any European product ever again.Don’t buy any European products again? Wouldn’t we all starve?Here's a revolutionary idea for you; BUY BRITISH! It worked for years and funnily enough we all had jobs...Do we produce enough in the UK to only buy British?
That is some way from providing evidence that the EU negotiators haven't been professional, consistent and principled though. They set three red lines at the start. They have stuck to them.
HAFlip it round. If Boris Johnson and Michael Gove asserted something, would you said that settled the argument?[/quoteSo your stance is that you’ll only accept the views of politicians that you agree with?