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It is not about loyalty, Jonathan.For me, it is about fairness.There is no good reason why both could not train as part of the group, but on the understanding that the manager does not think that they fit with his plans.
My loyalty lies squarely with my football club ahead of two players that have been nothing short of dreadful since joining, and get paid more in a week than lots of people earn in a month.
Quote from: RoversAlias on September 13, 2021, 09:11:41 pmQuote from: The Beast on September 13, 2021, 07:55:11 pmI think there’s a lot of assumptions being made here by people who don’t know the exact details. To be become a professional footballer takes a lot of endeavour, desire and perseverance. To suggest players who have got to this position and made these sacrifices, are now happy training away from the rest of the team just doesn’t ring true. I don’t honestly think anyone would feel good being deemed surplus to requirements. Now if offers come in for these players, the offer needs to be right for the player, it’s their prerogative to turn it down. Like anyone been offered a new job there’s lot of factors to take into account. Now putting stuff on Twitter isn’t very clever but I’d say it’s the modern way, 95% of stuff on Twitter is nonsense. Someone needs to have a word with him about this.Well said.I'm surprised a bit (well, not really) at some of the things being said about this Bogle post/situation here and on Twitter.At the end of the day, Bogle and Williams will be fed up. They're here, they're contracted and not me thing has come out suggesting they haven't shown commitment to the club. Wellens has frozen them out of training for the crime of not quite being good enough. Venting about it online is nothing new do, as far as professionalism goes...what do they have to lose? They've already been told they've got no chance of playing and can't even train with the team anymore.Certainly in Bogle’s case, that’s his choice. He’s chosen this ahead of accepting offers to play football. So what’s he moaning about? And moreover why do you read it as venting? He’s chosen this. And that’s my issue, I don’t see it as moaning, I see it as gloating that they’re getting money for nothing. And that’s disrespectful to my club.
Quote from: The Beast on September 13, 2021, 07:55:11 pmI think there’s a lot of assumptions being made here by people who don’t know the exact details. To be become a professional footballer takes a lot of endeavour, desire and perseverance. To suggest players who have got to this position and made these sacrifices, are now happy training away from the rest of the team just doesn’t ring true. I don’t honestly think anyone would feel good being deemed surplus to requirements. Now if offers come in for these players, the offer needs to be right for the player, it’s their prerogative to turn it down. Like anyone been offered a new job there’s lot of factors to take into account. Now putting stuff on Twitter isn’t very clever but I’d say it’s the modern way, 95% of stuff on Twitter is nonsense. Someone needs to have a word with him about this.Well said.I'm surprised a bit (well, not really) at some of the things being said about this Bogle post/situation here and on Twitter.At the end of the day, Bogle and Williams will be fed up. They're here, they're contracted and not me thing has come out suggesting they haven't shown commitment to the club. Wellens has frozen them out of training for the crime of not quite being good enough. Venting about it online is nothing new do, as far as professionalism goes...what do they have to lose? They've already been told they've got no chance of playing and can't even train with the team anymore.
I think there’s a lot of assumptions being made here by people who don’t know the exact details. To be become a professional footballer takes a lot of endeavour, desire and perseverance. To suggest players who have got to this position and made these sacrifices, are now happy training away from the rest of the team just doesn’t ring true. I don’t honestly think anyone would feel good being deemed surplus to requirements. Now if offers come in for these players, the offer needs to be right for the player, it’s their prerogative to turn it down. Like anyone been offered a new job there’s lot of factors to take into account. Now putting stuff on Twitter isn’t very clever but I’d say it’s the modern way, 95% of stuff on Twitter is nonsense. Someone needs to have a word with him about this.
Quote from: Jonathan on September 13, 2021, 09:18:37 pmQuote from: RoversAlias on September 13, 2021, 09:11:41 pmQuote from: The Beast on September 13, 2021, 07:55:11 pmI think there’s a lot of assumptions being made here by people who don’t know the exact details. To be become a professional footballer takes a lot of endeavour, desire and perseverance. To suggest players who have got to this position and made these sacrifices, are now happy training away from the rest of the team just doesn’t ring true. I don’t honestly think anyone would feel good being deemed surplus to requirements. Now if offers come in for these players, the offer needs to be right for the player, it’s their prerogative to turn it down. Like anyone been offered a new job there’s lot of factors to take into account. Now putting stuff on Twitter isn’t very clever but I’d say it’s the modern way, 95% of stuff on Twitter is nonsense. Someone needs to have a word with him about this.Well said.I'm surprised a bit (well, not really) at some of the things being said about this Bogle post/situation here and on Twitter.At the end of the day, Bogle and Williams will be fed up. They're here, they're contracted and not me thing has come out suggesting they haven't shown commitment to the club. Wellens has frozen them out of training for the crime of not quite being good enough. Venting about it online is nothing new do, as far as professionalism goes...what do they have to lose? They've already been told they've got no chance of playing and can't even train with the team anymore.Certainly in Bogle’s case, that’s his choice. He’s chosen this ahead of accepting offers to play football. So what’s he moaning about? And moreover why do you read it as venting? He’s chosen this. And that’s my issue, I don’t see it as moaning, I see it as gloating that they’re getting money for nothing. And that’s disrespectful to my club. Why should Bogle just accept any offer to play that comes his way? If you got told by your employer you weren't up to your job, but another company will pay you much less to do the same thing and you should go there for their benefit, would you do it?Bogle was given a contract by Doncaster Rovers to play in League One. 6 months prior he was a Championship player. Yet now some of our fans think he should go to Grimsby in the National League just to play, or join a League Two side on what must be far less money. He's done nothing to deserve being disrespected by a section of our fanbase, other than not play well for us.
He’s taking the piss.Darren Moore did a right job on us didn’t he?
Bogle and Williams have contracts that they want to continue.....they are fully within their rights to do so.Leaving them out of the squad, or asking them to train away from the group is very poor management from DRFC.Some on here think that the club should punish players for keeping to the contract DRFC signed them under....this is nonsense on stilts.In any other industry this would be seen as an attempt at constructive dismissal, and would provoke trade union involvement.I am not commenting on whether the deal offered by other clubs should have been accepted, because none of us know what was on offer. Easy to say that they should have left without knowing the details.
Quote from: PDX_Rover on September 13, 2021, 04:58:45 pmHe’s taking the piss.Darren Moore did a right job on us didn’t he?Easy to blame Darren Moore (and I'd like to) and pretend the problem has sorted itself, but doesn't blame lay at our wider talent acquisition team? Of which DM was only a part..
Clearly there are some very different opinions on this and that’s fine, I’m not stubborn or thick enough not to recognise the points people have made about how the club could have handled this differently / better. But ultimately I stand by my view that Bogle and Williams are taking the piss out of the club a bit, and that’s what riles me. There are obviously a lot of nicer people than me out there that are more bothered than I can bring myself to be about the effect it’s having on two players that have done so little for us. Is it their fault that we gave them the contracts? Of course not. But Wellens was asking things of Bogle and he just wasn’t doing it - and that’s been there for all of us to see. He doesn’t make the runs he’s asked to, and he doesn’t look interested. So I get why Wellens is frustrated that the players and their agents have shown no desire to find a better environment elsewhere. Could the club and Wellens have handled it better? Yes I’d have to admit they could have. But, irrespective of that, I’m more inclined to back them than this pair of time wasters.
Apparently Bogle was willing to go somewhere on deadline day but it all depended on another player leaving from the other club and it didn’t happen. Also, when Paul Hurst enquired about him, apparently he never heard about the enquiry.
To say the club are to blame is shocking. The only thing the club is guilty of is instilling belief in a manager who in turn believed would get a tune out of the players in question. May I add that he didnt get a tune out of either of them before he up and left. Now for our fans..... there was barely a single one of you who gave them the time of day after a handful of performances. Fast forward to a hat full and every single one of us can agree that they are not good enough. Bogle is not only out of his depth but, he consistently brings sweet f all to the team and thinks nothing of showing no desire yet reomoving him from the first team is a disgrace. Why? Ive read a few comments on his performance at Accrington being OK.... Are you joking me or are you using this as a wind up? Im fully behind the club on their stance on this. If any of us went to work and didnt put effort in we would all be out on our arse and Omar Bogle falls bang into that. Its just easier to hide on a football pitch in a team who lose every game. But, because hes on a contract he is allowed to do what he wants it seems.