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Hound.There isn't an alternative.It is the correct thing to do.And it won't turn us into Venezuela.I'm not criticising the economics. The economics is textbook stuff.I'm criticising the hypocrisy.
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on April 09, 2020, 01:29:17 pmHound.There isn't an alternative.It is the correct thing to do.And it won't turn us into Venezuela.I'm not criticising the economics. The economics is textbook stuff.I'm criticising the hypocrisy.I knew that really BST, but because they have no choice then surely hypocrisy doesn’t come into it under the circumstances.If they had done this off their own back if the Coronavirus hadn’t happened then I could see your point.
Hound.It's not a question of choice. The Tories have said consistently that these policies are not acceptable IN ANY CIRCUMSTANCES.Like Filo says, the Tories insisted in 2008-10 that running a big deficit was economic lunacy, when in fact it was the textbook response to the GFC.That is what I mean by hypocrisy.
Like I say, times (and things change) talking of politicking, I have an idea for a seperate thread and your input will be welcomed on it, give me 5 mins
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on April 09, 2020, 11:25:27 amQuote from: wilts rover on April 07, 2020, 07:50:35 pmAnnouncing his package of reforms, Starmer said: “I am immensely proud of the size and energy of the party. People were inspired in their thousands by Jeremy Corbyn to join Labour, and we must not lose that idealism and radicalism.inspiration, idealism and radicalism anyone...They are all Corbynistas now - get over it.https://labourlist.org/2020/02/starmer-unveils-eight-key-reforms-to-make-labour-open-respectful-creative-and-engaging/You ever been to Beijing?Tiannanmen Square is breathtaking. There's a 50 foot high picture of Mao looking down austerely from the walls of the Forbidden Palace. He's effectively been elevated to God-like status.Then you go round the corner and there's Beijing's Oxford Street. Versace, Armani, Jimmy Choo...that sort of thing.And in the middle of the street is a statue of Deng Xiao Ping. The man who picked up the shattered pieces of China after Mao's death and set them on the road to their current economic success. All the while telling the masses who had been brainwashed by the Cult of Mao that he was a Maoist and he venerated the Great Leader.That's kind of how you have to do it when you are dealing with a cult.And his tomb directly opposite and the Govt buildings to the left as you look at the picture. In amongst all the designer shops though Billy there are lots of markets selling lots of rip off clothing shoes jewelry and electronics all fake but if you barter hard with them you can get some real bargains
Quote from: wilts rover on April 07, 2020, 07:50:35 pmAnnouncing his package of reforms, Starmer said: “I am immensely proud of the size and energy of the party. People were inspired in their thousands by Jeremy Corbyn to join Labour, and we must not lose that idealism and radicalism.inspiration, idealism and radicalism anyone...They are all Corbynistas now - get over it.https://labourlist.org/2020/02/starmer-unveils-eight-key-reforms-to-make-labour-open-respectful-creative-and-engaging/You ever been to Beijing?Tiannanmen Square is breathtaking. There's a 50 foot high picture of Mao looking down austerely from the walls of the Forbidden Palace. He's effectively been elevated to God-like status.Then you go round the corner and there's Beijing's Oxford Street. Versace, Armani, Jimmy Choo...that sort of thing.And in the middle of the street is a statue of Deng Xiao Ping. The man who picked up the shattered pieces of China after Mao's death and set them on the road to their current economic success. All the while telling the masses who had been brainwashed by the Cult of Mao that he was a Maoist and he venerated the Great Leader.That's kind of how you have to do it when you are dealing with a cult.
Announcing his package of reforms, Starmer said: “I am immensely proud of the size and energy of the party. People were inspired in their thousands by Jeremy Corbyn to join Labour, and we must not lose that idealism and radicalism.inspiration, idealism and radicalism anyone...They are all Corbynistas now - get over it.https://labourlist.org/2020/02/starmer-unveils-eight-key-reforms-to-make-labour-open-respectful-creative-and-engaging/
I'm not politicking. I'm entirely supporting the Govt's actions. It's a great shame that the same thing didn't happen from the Opposition during the last national crisis.There is a huge difference between politicking and pointing out inconsistencies in political stances.
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on April 09, 2020, 05:50:49 pmI'm not politicking. I'm entirely supporting the Govt's actions. It's a great shame that the same thing didn't happen from the Opposition during the last national crisis.There is a huge difference between politicking and pointing out inconsistencies in political stances.Is this correct? My memory is that the opposition supported Brown bailing out the banks - and his G20 leadership - it was the fallout afterwards when they began 'politcking'.As I am sure will this opposition.Like - why has the government given £10k to each MP already on £80k to work from home - whilst refusing to raise SSP or UC for unemployed workers and leaving nurses to fight a deadly virus wearing bin bags?There will be time for that afterwards.
If something is unsustainable or impossible then surely if you later implement it then you have to admit that your previous stance was incorrect or you didn't allow for all eventualities.This is surely the case whoever is in charge?
Wilts.I'm genuinely impressed by your efforts. Honestly.But it doesn't really have anything to do with what I was talking about.My point was, don't pay attention to Starmer's words on Corbyn and Corbynism. Pay attention to what he does.Like clearing out almost the entire Project Corbyn team from the Shadow Cabinet, and replacing them with what looks like a much more dynamic, competent and broadly based left wing set.
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Quote from: SydneyRover on April 09, 2020, 11:52:58 amThose that voted for this rabble are too embarrassed to reply bstSydders have you got a right to vote in Uk Elections.
Quote from: Sprotyrover on April 10, 2020, 11:56:35 amQuote from: SydneyRover on April 09, 2020, 11:52:58 amThose that voted for this rabble are too embarrassed to reply bstSydders have you got a right to vote in Uk Elections.Sprot, you replied, does that make you rabble?