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There is a poll on owls talk at the moment and 75% want him sacked. And on an much sourer note, the admin on there is having to step,in to deal with racism direCited at Moore online. There was allegedly racis5 abuse hurled at him at Shrewsbury by his own supporters too. This from their forum admin I've had to delete around (not exact number) 20 posts relating to his race in the last 24 hoursAnd about 5 relating to his religionThen countless relating to his vocal tickHave deleted three accounts on here for pure racism towards the manager in the last 24 hours To say I've had my work cut out is an understatement
Quote from: aidanstu on January 04, 2022, 06:16:43 amQuote from: phil old leake on January 03, 2022, 10:35:20 amWouldn’t want him back. I felt things started to go down hill before he left and the Owls were a get out for himThings started to go downhill after Whiteman were sold; Moore probably left as a consequence.No. Wednesday were tapping up Moore in mid-December. Whiteman wanted to go. Nothing that anyone at the club could do about that.Moore - decent coach but doesn’t have what it takes long term to manage. And boy did he sign some clunkers.
Quote from: phil old leake on January 03, 2022, 10:35:20 amWouldn’t want him back. I felt things started to go down hill before he left and the Owls were a get out for himThings started to go downhill after Whiteman were sold; Moore probably left as a consequence.
Wouldn’t want him back. I felt things started to go down hill before he left and the Owls were a get out for him
Quote from: PDX_Rover on January 04, 2022, 06:44:24 amQuote from: aidanstu on January 04, 2022, 06:16:43 amQuote from: phil old leake on January 03, 2022, 10:35:20 amWouldn’t want him back. I felt things started to go down hill before he left and the Owls were a get out for himThings started to go downhill after Whiteman were sold; Moore probably left as a consequence.No. Wednesday were tapping up Moore in mid-December. Whiteman wanted to go. Nothing that anyone at the club could do about that.Moore - decent coach but doesn’t have what it takes long term to manage. And boy did he sign some clunkers.Both Moore and Whiteman were under contract; the club had the option to keep them both; they chose not too. Whether you agree with the merits of it or not is irrelevant; the power and the law was always with the club.To sell Whiteman; who had years left on his contract, for the price they did at the time they did showed a complete lack of ambition; if Moore was unsure what to do that would have helped make his mind up.Almost everything the club has done since the sale of Whiteman has shown a complete lack of ambition; I am absolute convinced the club didn’t want promotion last season; understandable in the circumstances given; Covid, the HMRC debt and the increased budget that would have been needed, but I wish someone would just come out and say it.
Quote from: aidanstu on January 05, 2022, 07:35:41 amQuote from: PDX_Rover on January 04, 2022, 06:44:24 amQuote from: aidanstu on January 04, 2022, 06:16:43 amQuote from: phil old leake on January 03, 2022, 10:35:20 amWouldn’t want him back. I felt things started to go down hill before he left and the Owls were a get out for himThings started to go downhill after Whiteman were sold; Moore probably left as a consequence.No. Wednesday were tapping up Moore in mid-December. Whiteman wanted to go. Nothing that anyone at the club could do about that.Moore - decent coach but doesn’t have what it takes long term to manage. And boy did he sign some clunkers.Both Moore and Whiteman were under contract; the club had the option to keep them both; they chose not too. Whether you agree with the merits of it or not is irrelevant; the power and the law was always with the club.To sell Whiteman; who had years left on his contract, for the price they did at the time they did showed a complete lack of ambition; if Moore was unsure what to do that would have helped make his mind up.Almost everything the club has done since the sale of Whiteman has shown a complete lack of ambition; I am absolute convinced the club didn’t want promotion last season; understandable in the circumstances given; Covid, the HMRC debt and the increased budget that would have been needed, but I wish someone would just come out and say it.The club did not choose to sell Whiteman. Whiteman signed an extension to his contract based on if a club came in for him in the Championship he wanted to play for the club wouldn’t stand in his way making sure the club got a fee for him but hey don’t let the truth get in the way of a good old club bash
Quote from: DearneValleyRover on January 05, 2022, 07:46:55 amQuote from: aidanstu on January 05, 2022, 07:35:41 amQuote from: PDX_Rover on January 04, 2022, 06:44:24 amQuote from: aidanstu on January 04, 2022, 06:16:43 amQuote from: phil old leake on January 03, 2022, 10:35:20 amWouldn’t want him back. I felt things started to go down hill before he left and the Owls were a get out for himThings started to go downhill after Whiteman were sold; Moore probably left as a consequence.No. Wednesday were tapping up Moore in mid-December. Whiteman wanted to go. Nothing that anyone at the club could do about that.Moore - decent coach but doesn’t have what it takes long term to manage. And boy did he sign some clunkers.Both Moore and Whiteman were under contract; the club had the option to keep them both; they chose not too. Whether you agree with the merits of it or not is irrelevant; the power and the law was always with the club.To sell Whiteman; who had years left on his contract, for the price they did at the time they did showed a complete lack of ambition; if Moore was unsure what to do that would have helped make his mind up.Almost everything the club has done since the sale of Whiteman has shown a complete lack of ambition; I am absolute convinced the club didn’t want promotion last season; understandable in the circumstances given; Covid, the HMRC debt and the increased budget that would have been needed, but I wish someone would just come out and say it.The club did not choose to sell Whiteman. Whiteman signed an extension to his contract based on if a club came in for him in the Championship he wanted to play for the club wouldn’t stand in his way making sure the club got a fee for him but hey don’t let the truth get in the way of a good old club bashAny evidence or just wild speculation?; in any event by signing the contract the club put themselves in a position where they had to sell our 24 year old captain and talisman, mid season, for relative peanuts.But hey don’t let the truth get in the way of staunch support of a board who repeatedly make similar “mistakes” and fail to progress the club.
Wasn't Whiteman going to leave in the Summer but the club managed to persuade him to stay on, on the basis that he could go in Jan if the right offer came in?Or did I imagine that?
Quote from: aidanstu on January 05, 2022, 09:13:29 amQuote from: DearneValleyRover on January 05, 2022, 07:46:55 amQuote from: aidanstu on January 05, 2022, 07:35:41 amQuote from: PDX_Rover on January 04, 2022, 06:44:24 amQuote from: aidanstu on January 04, 2022, 06:16:43 amQuote from: phil old leake on January 03, 2022, 10:35:20 amWouldn’t want him back. I felt things started to go down hill before he left and the Owls were a get out for himThings started to go downhill after Whiteman were sold; Moore probably left as a consequence.No. Wednesday were tapping up Moore in mid-December. Whiteman wanted to go. Nothing that anyone at the club could do about that.Moore - decent coach but doesn’t have what it takes long term to manage. And boy did he sign some clunkers.Both Moore and Whiteman were under contract; the club had the option to keep them both; they chose not too. Whether you agree with the merits of it or not is irrelevant; the power and the law was always with the club.To sell Whiteman; who had years left on his contract, for the price they did at the time they did showed a complete lack of ambition; if Moore was unsure what to do that would have helped make his mind up.Almost everything the club has done since the sale of Whiteman has shown a complete lack of ambition; I am absolute convinced the club didn’t want promotion last season; understandable in the circumstances given; Covid, the HMRC debt and the increased budget that would have been needed, but I wish someone would just come out and say it.The club did not choose to sell Whiteman. Whiteman signed an extension to his contract based on if a club came in for him in the Championship he wanted to play for the club wouldn’t stand in his way making sure the club got a fee for him but hey don’t let the truth get in the way of a good old club bashAny evidence or just wild speculation?; in any event by signing the contract the club put themselves in a position where they had to sell our 24 year old captain and talisman, mid season, for relative peanuts.But hey don’t let the truth get in the way of staunch support of a board who repeatedly make similar “mistakes” and fail to progress the club.Relative peanuts …please back that up how much did we sell him for
Yep CBCB I'd say 3-4 decent-good signings in 18 months Fej, Taylor (not on your list but if memory serves signed under Moore), Butler though only as a stop gap and potentially John we'll see how he develops. The rest tosh.Meanwhile he released or allowed contracts to run down: Watters, Blair, May, Sadlier, Halliday, James, Wright amongst others. What we couldn't do with all these players right now.
The players hold all the cards. Imagine the club had stymied his progress; how would that have made Whiteman feel? Do you think, after giving his all and earning the right to play at a higher level, that would be taken well by the player? Do you think putting a player, essentially, under house arrest would make him want to continue giving his all? No. Performances would drop, as they did when Moore had his head turned. And how would it look to prospective signings in future? This club hold you back. Your career will stand still playing for the Rovers. Instead, we have a reputation for resurrecting careers and being a good place to play and improve. There are too many people who’ve learned everything they know about football from video games and are so far removed from the real world it’s embarrassing.
Quote from: pigeonhole on January 05, 2022, 09:53:20 amThe players hold all the cards. Imagine the club had stymied his progress; how would that have made Whiteman feel? Do you think, after giving his all and earning the right to play at a higher level, that would be taken well by the player? Do you think putting a player, essentially, under house arrest would make him want to continue giving his all? No. Performances would drop, as they did when Moore had his head turned. And how would it look to prospective signings in future? This club hold you back. Your career will stand still playing for the Rovers. Instead, we have a reputation for resurrecting careers and being a good place to play and improve. There are too many people who’ve learned everything they know about football from video games and are so far removed from the real world it’s embarrassing. Let’s put this in context; Rob Dickie, a 24 year old (same as Whiteman), centre back, who played for Oxford, who was there club captain (same as Whiteman) and had played half the games Whiteman had left for 2.5 million in the same transfer window to a championship club. This is despite having 1 year less on his contract. We received 40% less than Oxford and they were selling a centre half!!How can that possibly be considered good business. Some people on here just do as they are told.There is a good film on Netflix called “don’t look up” some folk would do well to watch it and take note.
Ever considered no one offered any more for Whiteman than what we actually got. So if we had put a valuation on him of 2.5 million and no one was interested what would the situation have been. Well I will tell you. He would have run down his contract and we would have got Zero for him. Nought. Nothing. That would have gone down well on this forum. Good job your not running the club.
Remember Southampton wanting Billy in the close season at over 3million? He didn’t want to move.He then got injured at Brighton in the first game and missed a load of games. He got back to fitness and then miraculously it was in the press that he had a £1.1 million buy out clause in his contract.Enter Adkins and they save over £2 million. The board were sure carved up there good an proper. Nobody criticised Billy over that at the time but it probably cost us any chance of staying up by losing out on the extra cash or not having his potential goals.
Quote from: aidanstu on January 05, 2022, 10:32:23 amQuote from: pigeonhole on January 05, 2022, 09:53:20 amThe players hold all the cards. Imagine the club had stymied his progress; how would that have made Whiteman feel? Do you think, after giving his all and earning the right to play at a higher level, that would be taken well by the player? Do you think putting a player, essentially, under house arrest would make him want to continue giving his all? No. Performances would drop, as they did when Moore had his head turned. And how would it look to prospective signings in future? This club hold you back. Your career will stand still playing for the Rovers. Instead, we have a reputation for resurrecting careers and being a good place to play and improve. There are too many people who’ve learned everything they know about football from video games and are so far removed from the real world it’s embarrassing. Let’s put this in context; Rob Dickie, a 24 year old (same as Whiteman), centre back, who played for Oxford, who was there club captain (same as Whiteman) and had played half the games Whiteman had left for 2.5 million in the same transfer window to a championship club. This is despite having 1 year less on his contract. We received 40% less than Oxford and they were selling a centre half!!How can that possibly be considered good business. Some people on here just do as they are told.There is a good film on Netflix called “don’t look up” some folk would do well to watch it and take note.So what did we actually sell Whiteman for? No rumours no guesses no it was reported, what was the actual price, what was the spread of the deal how much up front how many payments what were the add ons, and substantiate it
Getting bored now