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Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on January 25, 2022, 02:03:47 pmThis looks like it could be the cover up to end all cover ups.The plan, apparently, is to publish all the parts of the Gray report that don't refer to the things that the Met is investigating.So the redacted report will have no smoking gun.Then if the Met investigate and report that there is nothing to justify them taking any action, the redacted parts of the Gray report can be shelved as irrelevant.Is that realistic? Well the Electoral Commission gave the Met a file on illegal use of funds by the Leave side in the 2016 Ref. The Met sat on it for two years, while Johnson was elected, then summarily announced that there was no case to answer. To the best of my knowledge, they have never explained the basis of that decision. And attention moves on.Here we go. Step 1 of the cover up.https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-60166997Step 2 will be Johnson crowing next week that he's released the report in full for all to see and as he said all along, there's nothing to see.Step 3 will be the Met dragging out their investigation for weeks or months until everyone is bored or has forgotten that revulsion they felt when they first heard about Johnson's partying.Step 4 will be Cressida Dick saying that while there may have been some contraventions of the letter of the law, there's nothing to warrant prosecutions.Step 5 is Johnson standing up in Parliament saying "I told you all along that I'd been honest on this point. I've been entirely vindicated. But it's clear that there was a culture among staff where the rules were flouted, and I'm disgusted at that. I have sacked several of my No10 team."Just watch them try to roll it out.Everyone who applies their brain to this will know it is b*llocks.But that's not what matters. Johnson is a new breed of politician. We've never had his like before. He has absolutely zero capacity for shame. All that matters to him is power. It doesn't matter to him if people know he's a lying bas**rd. What matters is whether they support him. If this plan rolls out and he is still supported by a large enough number of voters, he might well survive. And then our democracy truly is off the edge of the cliff.
This looks like it could be the cover up to end all cover ups.The plan, apparently, is to publish all the parts of the Gray report that don't refer to the things that the Met is investigating.So the redacted report will have no smoking gun.Then if the Met investigate and report that there is nothing to justify them taking any action, the redacted parts of the Gray report can be shelved as irrelevant.Is that realistic? Well the Electoral Commission gave the Met a file on illegal use of funds by the Leave side in the 2016 Ref. The Met sat on it for two years, while Johnson was elected, then summarily announced that there was no case to answer. To the best of my knowledge, they have never explained the basis of that decision. And attention moves on.
At the request of the police I have provided the material compiled in the course ofmy investigation relevant to the gatherings that they are now investigating. I havealso been asked to retain all the other information collected in the course of thiswork, which I have confirmed that I will do. I will therefore ensure the securestorage and safekeeping of all the information gathered until such time as it maybe required further. I will not be circulating the information internally withingovernment, it has been provided in confidence to the Cabinet Office investigationteam and it is important that this confidence is maintained to protect the integrity ofthe process.
But you’ll just get the usual bluster & blithering.This ba***rd is bomb proof!!
Bojo hits back with the Jimmy saville accusation. I’ll get the popcorn.
Quote from: normal rules on January 31, 2022, 03:45:57 pmBojo hits back with the Jimmy saville accusation. I’ll get the popcorn.https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-britain-savile-idUSL1N2RP200
Finest speech Starmer's made yet , absolutely nailed it .Even the Tories knew he was right on the money , they had to sit and take it because Bunter can't be defended anymore or at least defended in a way that's credible .
At the bottom line, he is only bomb proof if enough voters don't care.If voters refuse to back him, the Tory party will do away with him.If voters don't refuse to back him, he'll be right in his judgement that he can lie every time he opens his mouth and it doesn't matter.
Here's the key part of the Gray report.Paragraph 13.QuoteAt the request of the police I have provided the material compiled in the course ofmy investigation relevant to the gatherings that they are now investigating. I havealso been asked to retain all the other information collected in the course of thiswork, which I have confirmed that I will do. I will therefore ensure the securestorage and safekeeping of all the information gathered until such time as it maybe required further. I will not be circulating the information internally withingovernment, it has been provided in confidence to the Cabinet Office investigationteam and it is important that this confidence is maintained to protect the integrity ofthe process.To understand this, you have to realise where the cover up now is.Gray is saying that she has more information than in included in this report. But because Dick has effectively instructed her not to release it, that information is not in the public domain.Here's the key thing.If Dick decides that there will be no action taken against Johnson, there is no legal mechanisms whereby Gray on her own can release that information.She can't pipe up and say "Here's the full report!" on her own initiative.She can only submit a full and unredacted report if the Govt invite her to.There is absolutely f**k all chance of Johnson ever doing that. He mumbled today "we'll see when the time comes what we can publish" when asked about that. Which basically means "f**k off."What Gray is doing here is screaming out of the page. She's saying "More information exists. When Dick and Johnson take steps to ensure that doesn't see the light of day, you will KNOW how damning when. Why wouldn't they release it if it was harmless? When they do refuse to release it, don't let this drop. Hound the bas**rd every time he opens his mouth. Ask him every day why he is not releasing it."
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on January 31, 2022, 04:48:45 pmHere's the key part of the Gray report.Paragraph 13.QuoteAt the request of the police I have provided the material compiled in the course ofmy investigation relevant to the gatherings that they are now investigating. I havealso been asked to retain all the other information collected in the course of thiswork, which I have confirmed that I will do. I will therefore ensure the securestorage and safekeeping of all the information gathered until such time as it maybe required further. I will not be circulating the information internally withingovernment, it has been provided in confidence to the Cabinet Office investigationteam and it is important that this confidence is maintained to protect the integrity ofthe process.To understand this, you have to realise where the cover up now is.Gray is saying that she has more information than in included in this report. But because Dick has effectively instructed her not to release it, that information is not in the public domain.Here's the key thing.If Dick decides that there will be no action taken against Johnson, there is no legal mechanisms whereby Gray on her own can release that information.She can't pipe up and say "Here's the full report!" on her own initiative.She can only submit a full and unredacted report if the Govt invite her to.There is absolutely f**k all chance of Johnson ever doing that. He mumbled today "we'll see when the time comes what we can publish" when asked about that. Which basically means "f**k off."What Gray is doing here is screaming out of the page. She's saying "More information exists. When Dick and Johnson take steps to ensure that doesn't see the light of day, you will KNOW how damning when. Why wouldn't they release it if it was harmless? When they do refuse to release it, don't let this drop. Hound the bas**rd every time he opens his mouth. Ask him every day why he is not releasing it."OK, things are developing quickly.If Johnson was happy to have the full Gray Report published, he would have said so unequivocally in the House today. That would have sounded confident. Instead he mumbled about "seeing what could be published when the time comes".No10 has now announced they will publish the full report after the Met investigation. Apparently Tory MPs have been threatening to force a no confidence vote now if they didn't get that promise. He's winging it. He's lost control of the agenda now and he's looking at day-to-day survival. This development really feels like the net closing.Tory MPs want him out now because they know he is electorally likely to be a liability. But they also know they need proof of just what a Kitson he's been. Otherwise those who move against him will be called traitors by the Johnson supporters. So they need to get the Gray evidence out in the open. Then they can strike. And he's just given in to that. Saved himself today but massively weakened himself down the line. That's what happens when a career of lying finally catches up with you. Eventually, you run out of options.His only hope now is that, in the time he's just won, something turns up that increases his popularity with voters.Expect top of the head populist policies to be sprayed out like cow shit from a muck spreader.
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on January 31, 2022, 04:48:45 pmHere's the key part of the Gray report.Paragraph 13.QuoteAt the request of the police I have provided the material compiled in the course ofmy investigation relevant to the gatherings that they are now investigating. I havealso been asked to retain all the other information collected in the course of thiswork, which I have confirmed that I will do. I will therefore ensure the securestorage and safekeeping of all the information gathered until such time as it maybe required further. I will not be circulating the information internally withingovernment, it has been provided in confidence to the Cabinet Office investigationteam and it is important that this confidence is maintained to protect the integrity ofthe process.To understand this, you have to realise where the cover up now is.Gray is saying that she has more information than in included in this report. But because Dick has effectively instructed her not to release it, that information is not in the public domain.Here's the key thing.If Dick decides that there will be no action taken against Johnson, there is no legal mechanisms whereby Gray on her own can release that information.She can't pipe up and say "Here's the full report!" on her own initiative.She can only submit a full and unredacted report if the Govt invite her to.There is absolutely f**k all chance of Johnson ever doing that. He mumbled today "we'll see when the time comes what we can publish" when asked about that. Which basically means "f**k off."What Gray is doing here is screaming out of the page. She's saying "More information exists. When Dick and Johnson take steps to ensure that doesn't see the light of day, you will KNOW how damning when. Why wouldn't they release it if it was harmless? When they do refuse to release it, don't let this drop. Hound the bas**rd every time he opens his mouth. Ask him every day why he is not releasing it."OK, things are developing quickly.If Johnson was happy to have the full Gray Report published, he would have said so unequivocally in the House today. That would have sounded confident. Instead he mumbled about "seeing what could be published when the time comes".No10 has now announced they will publish the full report after the Met investigation. Apparently Tory MPs have been threatening to force a no confidence vote now if they didn't get that promise. He's winging it. He's lost control of the agenda now and he's looking at day-to-day survival. This development really feels like the net closing.Tory MPs want him out now because they know he is electorally likely to be a liability. But they also know they need proof of just what a Kitson he's been. Otherwise those who move against him will be called traitors by the Johnson supporters. So they need to get the Gray evidence out in the open. Then they can strike. And he's just given in to that. Saved himself today but massively weakened himself down the line. That's what happens when a career of lying finally catches up with you. Eventually, you run out of options.His only hope now is that, in the time he's just won, something turns up that increases his popularity with voters.Expect top of the head populist policies to be sprayed out like cow shit from a muck spreader.
Here's the key part of the Gray report.Paragraph 13.QuoteAt the request of the police I have provided the material compiled in the course ofmy investigation relevant to the gatherings that they are now investigating. I havealso been asked to retain all the other information collected in the course of thiswork, which I have confirmed that I will do. I will therefore ensure the securestorage and safekeeping of all the information gathered until such time as it maybe required further. I will not be circulating the information internally withingovernment, it has been provided in confidence to the Cabinet Office investigationteam and it is important that this confidence is maintained to protect the integrity ofthe process.To understand this, you have to realise where the cover up now is.Gray is saying that she has more information than in included in this report. But because Dick has effectively instructed her not to release it, that information is not in the public domain.Here's the key thing.If Dick decides that there will be no action taken against Johnson, there is no legal mechanisms whereby Gray on her own can release that information.She can't pipe up and say "Here's the full report!" on her own initiative.She can only submit a full and unredacted report if the Govt invite her to.There is absolutely f**k all chance of Johnson ever doing that. He mumbled today "we'll see when the time comes what we can publish" when asked about that. Which basically means "f**k off."What Gray is doing here is screaming out of the page. She's saying "More information exists. When Dick and Johnson take steps to ensure that doesn't see the light of day, you will KNOW how damning when. Why wouldn't they release it if it was harmless? When they do refuse to release it, don't let this drop. Hound the bas**rd every time he opens his mouth. Ask him every day why he is not releasing it."