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And if this gov't goes ahead and sacks 90,000 public servants we should all expect it to get worse.''Redundancies as part of 91,000 job cuts plan ‘will be on 2010 terms’Union says Cabinet Office officials confirmed voluntary exit schemes will be needed to hit PM’s target''https://www.civilserviceworld.com/professions/article/redundancies-as-part-of-91000-job-cuts-plan-will-be-on-2010-terms#:~:text=The%20civil%20service%20shrank%20by,and%20the%20Covid%2D19%20pandemic.
Charlotte Lynch twitter/guardian''EXCL: Senior Home Office source tells me Home Sec refused to sign off on hotel bookings for migrants at Manston last week “because they were in Tory areas”. @LBC6:32 pm · 1 Nov 2022·Twitter for iPhone
Quote from: normal rules on October 31, 2022, 10:51:34 amLabours response to this crisis:Labour has accused the government of allowing a huge backlog of asylum claims to build up, and failing to deal with the increased number of Channel crossings this year.Earlier, the party's shadow home secretary Yvette Cooper said “added bureaucracy” meant claims were taking 3-6 months longer to process.She said her party would reduce this, and also wanted to reduce the number of people being sent to hotels, adding that “increasing the use of hotels is itself a sign of failure”.She added there had been a “huge proliferation” in criminal gang activity driving increased crossings, including Albanian organised crime.The party wants the government to set up a specialist unit within the National Crime Agency tasked with tackling the problem.But here’s the thing. Labour propose to reduce the backlog and fast track asylum applications. I would very much like to hear the “what then” policy if asylum applications fail. I want to see a govt where we deal with these migrants firmly and fairly and quickly. If they fail application then what ? Because if Labour came out with a policy of shipping these people straight back to say Albania within weeks of them arriving illegally then they would get my vote at the next GE. Something I thought I would never hear myself say. But we all know the truth of the matter. It simply won’t happen. And the asylum centres being set up around the country will continue to overflow. Hotels in seaside resorts around the country will continue to fill up. Our NHS will struggle more and so it goes on. Failed asylum seekers should be deported back to their country of origin - Yvette Cooper on Channel 4 News just. It should be online in the next hour or so I should think. She had a good 5 minutes on a range on issues, the focus was on refugees and immigration, but it's worth watching it so you know what she said.She did talk about closer co-operation with France to stop the boats. Personally I feel there should be a processing centre in France, Calais or elsewhere. So there should then be no-need for anyone to cross on a boat - and anyone who did probably has very little cause for asylum so should be able to be removed back quicker. But as far as I am aware that is not Labour policy.
Labours response to this crisis:Labour has accused the government of allowing a huge backlog of asylum claims to build up, and failing to deal with the increased number of Channel crossings this year.Earlier, the party's shadow home secretary Yvette Cooper said “added bureaucracy” meant claims were taking 3-6 months longer to process.She said her party would reduce this, and also wanted to reduce the number of people being sent to hotels, adding that “increasing the use of hotels is itself a sign of failure”.She added there had been a “huge proliferation” in criminal gang activity driving increased crossings, including Albanian organised crime.The party wants the government to set up a specialist unit within the National Crime Agency tasked with tackling the problem.But here’s the thing. Labour propose to reduce the backlog and fast track asylum applications. I would very much like to hear the “what then” policy if asylum applications fail. I want to see a govt where we deal with these migrants firmly and fairly and quickly. If they fail application then what ? Because if Labour came out with a policy of shipping these people straight back to say Albania within weeks of them arriving illegally then they would get my vote at the next GE. Something I thought I would never hear myself say. But we all know the truth of the matter. It simply won’t happen. And the asylum centres being set up around the country will continue to overflow. Hotels in seaside resorts around the country will continue to fill up. Our NHS will struggle more and so it goes on.
Quote from: normal rules on October 31, 2022, 11:46:26 amQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on October 31, 2022, 11:13:06 amNR1) We are still receiving a tiny fraction of the number of immigrants that the rest of Europe is dealing with.2) Reports today are that the Home Secretary has been told by officials that she is breaking UK law in the way she is housing the arrivals in internment camps.3) The Home Office's own figures say that, of the applications for asylum that they have processed, only 4% have been rejected.5) Here's the real question. In the light of all of that information, shouldn't we be making it possible for asylum applicants to make legal applications for asylum, rather than forcing them into illegally crossing the Channel?On point 1, the uk is ranked fifth in the world for the number of foreign born residents (immigrants) in the world. Based on stats provided by World population review. Only surpassed by Russia, the USA , Saudi Arabia and Germany. Just one EU country. On point 2. Desperate times call for desperate measures. Where else are they to be housed until a proper solution can be found?On point 3. The stats provided by the home office for “processed” application are very misleading. The current asylum application process is complex to say the least. The 4 % they allude to will be those at the first hurdle. There are many many asylum applicants in this country who have been here 10 years, who are still pending final decision. Why is this? Because we have no current strategy to deport people for the uk in the sort of numbers we would need to to bring this whole thing under control. On point 4. Let’s not forget that the current uk govt policy for successful asylum application is that the applicant must satisfy 2 criteria. One is that they have left their home country, that’s the easy bit. The second is that they must prove that they are escaping persecution and for them to go home would put their lives at risk. As per the 1951 refugee convention. Albanians are leaving Albania because they are desperate for a better standard of living. That does not fit with current uk govt policy for asylum. Do you have a source for that first claim? I'd be interested to see the numbers.
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on October 31, 2022, 11:13:06 amNR1) We are still receiving a tiny fraction of the number of immigrants that the rest of Europe is dealing with.2) Reports today are that the Home Secretary has been told by officials that she is breaking UK law in the way she is housing the arrivals in internment camps.3) The Home Office's own figures say that, of the applications for asylum that they have processed, only 4% have been rejected.5) Here's the real question. In the light of all of that information, shouldn't we be making it possible for asylum applicants to make legal applications for asylum, rather than forcing them into illegally crossing the Channel?On point 1, the uk is ranked fifth in the world for the number of foreign born residents (immigrants) in the world. Based on stats provided by World population review. Only surpassed by Russia, the USA , Saudi Arabia and Germany. Just one EU country. On point 2. Desperate times call for desperate measures. Where else are they to be housed until a proper solution can be found?On point 3. The stats provided by the home office for “processed” application are very misleading. The current asylum application process is complex to say the least. The 4 % they allude to will be those at the first hurdle. There are many many asylum applicants in this country who have been here 10 years, who are still pending final decision. Why is this? Because we have no current strategy to deport people for the uk in the sort of numbers we would need to to bring this whole thing under control. On point 4. Let’s not forget that the current uk govt policy for successful asylum application is that the applicant must satisfy 2 criteria. One is that they have left their home country, that’s the easy bit. The second is that they must prove that they are escaping persecution and for them to go home would put their lives at risk. As per the 1951 refugee convention. Albanians are leaving Albania because they are desperate for a better standard of living. That does not fit with current uk govt policy for asylum.
NR1) We are still receiving a tiny fraction of the number of immigrants that the rest of Europe is dealing with.2) Reports today are that the Home Secretary has been told by officials that she is breaking UK law in the way she is housing the arrivals in internment camps.3) The Home Office's own figures say that, of the applications for asylum that they have processed, only 4% have been rejected.5) Here's the real question. In the light of all of that information, shouldn't we be making it possible for asylum applicants to make legal applications for asylum, rather than forcing them into illegally crossing the Channel?
Quote from: wilts rover on October 31, 2022, 07:53:06 pmQuote from: normal rules on October 31, 2022, 10:51:34 amLabours response to this crisis:Labour has accused the government of allowing a huge backlog of asylum claims to build up, and failing to deal with the increased number of Channel crossings this year.Earlier, the party's shadow home secretary Yvette Cooper said “added bureaucracy” meant claims were taking 3-6 months longer to process.She said her party would reduce this, and also wanted to reduce the number of people being sent to hotels, adding that “increasing the use of hotels is itself a sign of failure”.She added there had been a “huge proliferation” in criminal gang activity driving increased crossings, including Albanian organised crime.The party wants the government to set up a specialist unit within the National Crime Agency tasked with tackling the problem.But here’s the thing. Labour propose to reduce the backlog and fast track asylum applications. I would very much like to hear the “what then” policy if asylum applications fail. I want to see a govt where we deal with these migrants firmly and fairly and quickly. If they fail application then what ? Because if Labour came out with a policy of shipping these people straight back to say Albania within weeks of them arriving illegally then they would get my vote at the next GE. Something I thought I would never hear myself say. But we all know the truth of the matter. It simply won’t happen. And the asylum centres being set up around the country will continue to overflow. Hotels in seaside resorts around the country will continue to fill up. Our NHS will struggle more and so it goes on. Failed asylum seekers should be deported back to their country of origin - Yvette Cooper on Channel 4 News just. It should be online in the next hour or so I should think. She had a good 5 minutes on a range on issues, the focus was on refugees and immigration, but it's worth watching it so you know what she said.She did talk about closer co-operation with France to stop the boats. Personally I feel there should be a processing centre in France, Calais or elsewhere. So there should then be no-need for anyone to cross on a boat - and anyone who did probably has very little cause for asylum so should be able to be removed back quicker. But as far as I am aware that is not Labour policy.And it’s beggars belief why this isn’t happening. Albanians should be put straight back on a flight to Tirana. They are not fleeing persecution, war or conflict. It’s that Simple. And re French Co operation, didn’t we give them millions of pounds last year to help sort this? It hasn’t made a jot of difference. Things have got worse.
And of the 53% of Albanians who were granted asylum - 86% of them were women being trafficed.So rather than the false narrative some people have been keen to push, rather than these people being Albanian criminals they are mostly victims of Albanian criminals.https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/braverman-asylum-seekers-albania-trafficking-b2215187.html
Quote from: wilts rover on November 01, 2022, 06:32:40 pmAnd of the 53% of Albanians who were granted asylum - 86% of them were women being trafficed.So rather than the false narrative some people have been keen to push, rather than these people being Albanian criminals they are mostly victims of Albanian criminals.https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/braverman-asylum-seekers-albania-trafficking-b2215187.htmlOoooh watch it! Your 'Woke mates' on here will be accusing you of reading the Daily mail?
Can someone explain why migrants at the immigration centre near Heathrow think it’s appropriate to arm themselves?
Quote from: normal rules on November 05, 2022, 03:25:08 pmCan someone explain why migrants at the immigration centre near Heathrow think it’s appropriate to arm themselves? Same reason that somone thinks its appropriate to petrol bomb the processing centre at Dover I suppose?
Quote from: wilts rover on November 05, 2022, 05:09:21 pmQuote from: normal rules on November 05, 2022, 03:25:08 pmCan someone explain why migrants at the immigration centre near Heathrow think it’s appropriate to arm themselves? Same reason that somone thinks its appropriate to petrol bomb the processing centre at Dover I suppose?But he was a right wing terrorist. Acting on a deluded ideology. What’s their motive?
looks to me like successive home office ministers have used migrants as pawns in their ongoing political culture wars but have shot themselves in the arse
A new poll out today shows that instead of 'taking back control', a large majority of the public think Brexit has made our borders less secure.According to the latest Opinium poll, 73% think the UK has not been in control of its borders since Brexit. Only 12% think Britain has been in control. Meanwhile, only 9% of the public believe Brexit has made Britain’s ability to manage its borders better, while 45% think it has made it worse.Those who backed Brexit are also taking a dim view. Only 7% of leave voters think the UK is in control of its borders since Brexit, while 85% think it is not.https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/nov/05/most-britons-think-country-has-lost-control-of-its-border-since-brexit-pollVote Tory.
Just a thought NR, if you would like to comment on other topics such as the police, nursing, NHS, Rail Transport, housing, river and ocean pollution, teaching for the same period and of course the economy it would be appreciated.
I'm just trying to get a fix on what your priorities are, what would make a difference in your life, the UK receiving a few less boat people or being able to get an appointment at the doctors when you need one and a bed in a hospital that's not decaying (hospitals need 10bn spent to bring them up to scratch on buildings and equipment) Yes immigration does make a big difference to the economy, not half or a tenth to what a well run economy would. Parliament having to chase a corrupt government around. The biggest difference immigration makes is it improves and economy.
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on October 31, 2022, 06:26:45 pmQuote from: normal rules on October 31, 2022, 11:46:26 amQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on October 31, 2022, 11:13:06 amNR1) We are still receiving a tiny fraction of the number of immigrants that the rest of Europe is dealing with.2) Reports today are that the Home Secretary has been told by officials that she is breaking UK law in the way she is housing the arrivals in internment camps.3) The Home Office's own figures say that, of the applications for asylum that they have processed, only 4% have been rejected.5) Here's the real question. In the light of all of that information, shouldn't we be making it possible for asylum applicants to make legal applications for asylum, rather than forcing them into illegally crossing the Channel?On point 1, the uk is ranked fifth in the world for the number of foreign born residents (immigrants) in the world. Based on stats provided by World population review. Only surpassed by Russia, the USA , Saudi Arabia and Germany. Just one EU country. On point 2. Desperate times call for desperate measures. Where else are they to be housed until a proper solution can be found?On point 3. The stats provided by the home office for “processed” application are very misleading. The current asylum application process is complex to say the least. The 4 % they allude to will be those at the first hurdle. There are many many asylum applicants in this country who have been here 10 years, who are still pending final decision. Why is this? Because we have no current strategy to deport people for the uk in the sort of numbers we would need to to bring this whole thing under control. On point 4. Let’s not forget that the current uk govt policy for successful asylum application is that the applicant must satisfy 2 criteria. One is that they have left their home country, that’s the easy bit. The second is that they must prove that they are escaping persecution and for them to go home would put their lives at risk. As per the 1951 refugee convention. Albanians are leaving Albania because they are desperate for a better standard of living. That does not fit with current uk govt policy for asylum. Do you have a source for that first claim? I'd be interested to see the numbers.Bump.
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on November 01, 2022, 12:19:39 pmQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on October 31, 2022, 06:26:45 pmQuote from: normal rules on October 31, 2022, 11:46:26 amQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on October 31, 2022, 11:13:06 amNR1) We are still receiving a tiny fraction of the number of immigrants that the rest of Europe is dealing with.2) Reports today are that the Home Secretary has been told by officials that she is breaking UK law in the way she is housing the arrivals in internment camps.3) The Home Office's own figures say that, of the applications for asylum that they have processed, only 4% have been rejected.5) Here's the real question. In the light of all of that information, shouldn't we be making it possible for asylum applicants to make legal applications for asylum, rather than forcing them into illegally crossing the Channel?On point 1, the uk is ranked fifth in the world for the number of foreign born residents (immigrants) in the world. Based on stats provided by World population review. Only surpassed by Russia, the USA , Saudi Arabia and Germany. Just one EU country. On point 2. Desperate times call for desperate measures. Where else are they to be housed until a proper solution can be found?On point 3. The stats provided by the home office for “processed” application are very misleading. The current asylum application process is complex to say the least. The 4 % they allude to will be those at the first hurdle. There are many many asylum applicants in this country who have been here 10 years, who are still pending final decision. Why is this? Because we have no current strategy to deport people for the uk in the sort of numbers we would need to to bring this whole thing under control. On point 4. Let’s not forget that the current uk govt policy for successful asylum application is that the applicant must satisfy 2 criteria. One is that they have left their home country, that’s the easy bit. The second is that they must prove that they are escaping persecution and for them to go home would put their lives at risk. As per the 1951 refugee convention. Albanians are leaving Albania because they are desperate for a better standard of living. That does not fit with current uk govt policy for asylum. Do you have a source for that first claim? I'd be interested to see the numbers.Bump.NR.Did you get anywhere with the source of these numbers? I'm interested in seeing them.
OK NR, how many Albanians in your area that effect you are either illegal immigrants, criminals or both and how do you know?What I am trying to get across, although this is a big deal to you as you are the one that keeps posting the daily mail type topic headlines, in terms of the cost compared to GDP it is an extremely small fraction. This series of tory governments has spaffed more up the wall in any week than the cost of all channel crossers put together.All this government needs to keep getting back in power is enough people to get wound up about Albanians swarming across the channel rather than look at the important stuff.