Channel crossing record beat.(again and again and again)

[Sprotyrover]

I had occasion to check some documents produced to a Magistrates courts that a Twit produced as proof that he was bona fide, the bench were taken In! I asked for an adjournment and checked the papers which merely were a letter on the chief of Zpolice to a Person with a name stating they were that person, our chum was Not said Person,
Can't believe how guilable our Courts are. I did some research and watched a Magazine programme made in the Albaniian Municipality of Schroder, virtually every degree qualification issued by the local Education Authority was discovered to be false, and the entire exam system was under investigation?.
So if you find yourself being treated by an Albanian Doctor!!!

[SydneyRover]

I doubt many come across in Dinghies, they are coming in on stolen identity documents, they have developed an entire industry around forging documents and stealing identities.

That suggests poor customs and immigration control, which would have been beefed up and streamlined immediately following 'we got brexit done' of course. 6 years was long enough to prepare, no?

[wilts rover]

But we took back control of our borders...

[drfchound]

Not all customs and border control officers are good at their jobs though.

[Panda]

32,000 have arrived this year thus far. A total that could fill both Goole and Maltby combined. In the space of 9 months. Staggering. They keep on a comin' too.

[Sprotyrover]

Not all customs and border control officers are good at their jobs though.
[/quote
Apparently Border Force staff quitting in Droves, they have also halved the new entrants training course to 3 weeks from 6!

[Panda]

Not all customs and border control officers are good at their jobs though.

It doesn't really matter if we have no border force at all. Everyone who wants to come here will do so and not only be allowed in anyway, but also allowed to stay unless we leave the ECHR.

[normal rules]

When the Italian right take power that are talking about imposing a naval blockade on Libya to prevent boat crossings.

[Panda]

Makes me laugh the way the media label these parties like in Italy and Sweden as being right wing on the verge of far right. They aren't. They just want things addressing that useless politicians previously have failed to address on behalf of the people. Nothing right wing about that. They just want to sweep up the shit that previous failing political parties have left behind.

[normal rules]

Makes me laugh the way the media label these parties like in Italy and Sweden as being right wing on the verge of far right. They aren't. They just want things addressing that useless politicians previously have failed to address on behalf of the people. Nothing right wing about that. They just want to sweep up the shit that previous failing political parties have left behind.

The media don’t need to label them Panda.
They are, by definition, right wing. Ultra conservative. Utterly non liberal. A step back to 1940’s Mussolini. The poor of Italy will speak. The economically disadvantaged in the south have had enough. Hmm. Where have we heard this before?
The south of Italy resonates with the North of England.
#brothersofitaly

[normal rules]

Another 1000 yesterday. That’s very nearly 40000 already this year. The vast majority now making the crossing are not from Eritrea or Iraq. They are Albanians.

[drfchound]

All the shops in Copley Road are now taken.
Where can they go?

[tyke1962]

Another 1000 yesterday. That’s very nearly 40000 already this year. The vast majority now making the crossing are not from Eritrea or Iraq. They are Albanians.

Some people just won't accept what's going on NR .

This isn't from GB News it's from Channel Four .


https://youtu.be/i0E-4ZnMqKQ

[wilts rover]

Another 1000 yesterday. That’s very nearly 40000 already this year. The vast majority now making the crossing are not from Eritrea or Iraq. They are Albanians.

Really, thats interesting, have you the source evidence for that?

Earlier this month only 18% were from Albania so 82% weren't. A lot must have changed in two weeks.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/explainers-53734793

[normal rules]

Another 1000 yesterday. That’s very nearly 40000 already this year. The vast majority now making the crossing are not from Eritrea or Iraq. They are Albanians.

Really, thats interesting, have you the source evidence for that?

Earlier this month only 18% were from Albania so 82% weren't. A lot must have changed in two weeks.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/explainers-53734793

The Home Affairs Committee was told that "one to two percent" of the entire male population of Albania - around 10,000 men - arrived on small boats this year alone.
( source sky news)

[normal rules]

Some 12,000 Albanians have entered the UK in small boats compared with 800 last year. ( telegraph 5 days ago)

Wilts. You may note I said the vast majority NOW making the crossing . That’s not over this whole year. That is much more recently.
But for the year around a third of all migrants are from Albania. These are not fleeing a war torn country or oppression. They come for our attractive state benefit system, NHS and general standard of living.

[normal rules]

Labours response to this crisis:

Labour has accused the government of allowing a huge backlog of asylum claims to build up, and failing to deal with the increased number of Channel crossings this year.
Earlier, the party's shadow home secretary Yvette Cooper said “added bureaucracy” meant claims were taking 3-6 months longer to process.
She said her party would reduce this, and also wanted to reduce the number of people being sent to hotels, adding that “increasing the use of hotels is itself a sign of failure”.
She added there had been a “huge proliferation” in criminal gang activity driving increased crossings, including Albanian organised crime.
The party wants the government to set up a specialist unit within the National Crime Agency tasked with tackling the problem.


But here’s the thing. Labour propose to reduce the backlog and fast track asylum applications. I would very much like to hear the “what then” policy if asylum applications fail. I want to see a govt where we deal with these migrants firmly and fairly and quickly.  If they fail application then what ? Because if Labour came out with a policy of shipping these people straight back to say Albania within weeks of them arriving illegally then they would get my vote at the next GE. Something I thought I would never hear myself say. But we all know the truth of the matter. It simply won’t happen. And the asylum centres being set up around the country will continue to overflow. Hotels in seaside resorts around the country will continue to fill up. Our NHS will struggle more and so it goes on.

[BillyStubbsTears]

NR
1) We are still receiving a tiny fraction of the number of immigrants that the rest of Europe is dealing with.

2) Reports today are that the Home Secretary has been told by officials that she is breaking UK law in the way she is housing the arrivals in internment camps.

3) The Home Office's own figures say that, of the applications for asylum that they have processed, only 4% have been rejected.

5) Here's the real question. In the light of all of that information, shouldn't we be making it possible for asylum applicants to make legal applications for asylum, rather than forcing them into illegally crossing the Channel?

[Colin C No.3]

Not all customs and border control officers are good at their jobs though.

There has been no customs work done at Leeds Bradford Airport for 2 years. One of my ex colleagues told me all of the equipment used by ex customs officers (that role no longer exists) lies in cupboards gathering dust.

This is an airport that takes flights from Amsterdam which is a main hub for passengers arriving into Europe from all over the World.
The vast majority of drug seizures were previously made from passengers on this flight.

When the Border Force was ‘created’, all customs officers from LBA were sent on a 2 week ‘crash immigration course’ at Manchester Airport. On their return they were immediately put onto passport control & to all intents & purposes customs duties ceased.

We went from seizing upwards of 350,000 illegally imported tobacco goods per month to 300,000 per year.

Weapons (knives, knuckle dusters, martial art weapons) & drugs (cocaine, heroin, marijuna) were no longer targeted, the onus being on the controls & keeping passenger arrival queues down.

The ‘dog team’ at Hull (with whom we had many successful detections) were disbanded & Manchester is now the only airport in the country where sniffer dogs are based.

No ‘new staff’ were employed, the Home Secretary (Theresa May) simply bolstered immigration staff by taking customs staff from detection work onto passport control in order to be able to stand up in Parliament & say ‘we now have a further x amount of officers protecting our borders’……….really?

So you now know which airport to use to smuggle drugs into the UK without fear of detection.

[normal rules]

NR
1) We are still receiving a tiny fraction of the number of immigrants that the rest of Europe is dealing with.

2) Reports today are that the Home Secretary has been told by officials that she is breaking UK law in the way she is housing the arrivals in internment camps.

3) The Home Office's own figures say that, of the applications for asylum that they have processed, only 4% have been rejected.

5) Here's the real question. In the light of all of that information, shouldn't we be making it possible for asylum applicants to make legal applications for asylum, rather than forcing them into illegally crossing the Channel?

On point 1, the uk is ranked fifth in the world for the number of foreign born residents (immigrants) in the world. Based on stats provided by World population review. Only surpassed by Russia, the USA , Saudi Arabia and Germany. Just one EU country.

On point 2. Desperate times call for desperate measures. Where else are they to be housed until a proper solution can be found?

On point 3. The stats provided by the home office for “processed” application are very misleading. The current asylum application process is complex to say the least. The 4 % they allude to will be those at the first hurdle. There are many many asylum applicants in this country who have been here 10 years, who are still pending final decision. Why is this? Because we have no current strategy to deport people for the uk  in the sort of numbers we would need to to bring this whole thing under control.

On point 4. Let’s not forget that the current uk govt policy for successful asylum application is that the applicant must satisfy 2 criteria. One is that they have left their home country, that’s the easy bit. The second is that they must prove that they are escaping persecution and for them to go home would put their lives at risk. As per the 1951 refugee convention. Albanians are leaving Albania because they are desperate for a better standard of living. That does not fit with current uk govt policy for asylum.

[roversdude]

Labours response to this crisis:

Labour has accused the government of allowing a huge backlog of asylum claims to build up, and failing to deal with the increased number of Channel crossings this year.
Earlier, the party's shadow home secretary Yvette Cooper said “added bureaucracy” meant claims were taking 3-6 months longer to process.
She said her party would reduce this, and also wanted to reduce the number of people being sent to hotels, adding that “increasing the use of hotels is itself a sign of failure”.
She added there had been a “huge proliferation” in criminal gang activity driving increased crossings, including Albanian organised crime.
The party wants the government to set up a specialist unit within the National Crime Agency tasked with tackling the problem.


But here’s the thing. Labour propose to reduce the backlog and fast track asylum applications. I would very much like to hear the “what then” policy if asylum applications fail. I want to see a govt where we deal with these migrants firmly and fairly and quickly.  If they fail application then what ? Because if Labour came out with a policy of shipping these people straight back to say Albania within weeks of them arriving illegally then they would get my vote at the next GE. Something I thought I would never hear myself say. But we all know the truth of the matter. It simply won’t happen. And the asylum centres being set up around the country will continue to overflow. Hotels in seaside resorts around the country will continue to fill up. Our NHS will struggle more and so it goes on.

Totally agree immigration is one of the main stumbling blocks to me voting Labour

[Sprotyrover]

A lot of Albanians are being trafficked in to the UK to deal drugs,and for the Sextrade if female, they are threatened with extreme violence and also resort to violence if  in trouble. There are a large number in the Prison system and are responsible foe a great deal of the violence occurring therein.  If they get deported they get trafficked back into the uk with false passports ,driving licences and bank accounts, its highly organised crime on a grand scale.

[Not Now Kato]

The Daily Mail is alive and well, and living in Doncaster!

[BillyStubbsTears]

NR
1) We are still receiving a tiny fraction of the number of immigrants that the rest of Europe is dealing with.

2) Reports today are that the Home Secretary has been told by officials that she is breaking UK law in the way she is housing the arrivals in internment camps.

3) The Home Office's own figures say that, of the applications for asylum that they have processed, only 4% have been rejected.

5) Here's the real question. In the light of all of that information, shouldn't we be making it possible for asylum applicants to make legal applications for asylum, rather than forcing them into illegally crossing the Channel?

On point 1, the uk is ranked fifth in the world for the number of foreign born residents (immigrants) in the world. Based on stats provided by World population review. Only surpassed by Russia, the USA , Saudi Arabia and Germany. Just one EU country.

On point 2. Desperate times call for desperate measures. Where else are they to be housed until a proper solution can be found?

On point 3. The stats provided by the home office for “processed” application are very misleading. The current asylum application process is complex to say the least. The 4 % they allude to will be those at the first hurdle. There are many many asylum applicants in this country who have been here 10 years, who are still pending final decision. Why is this? Because we have no current strategy to deport people for the uk  in the sort of numbers we would need to to bring this whole thing under control.

On point 4. Let’s not forget that the current uk govt policy for successful asylum application is that the applicant must satisfy 2 criteria. One is that they have left their home country, that’s the easy bit. The second is that they must prove that they are escaping persecution and for them to go home would put their lives at risk. As per the 1951 refugee convention. Albanians are leaving Albania because they are desperate for a better standard of living. That does not fit with current uk govt policy for asylum.

Do you have a source for that first claim? I'd be interested to see the numbers.

By the way, the 4% figure came from a statement at the Home Affairs Committee in Parliament last week. The Home Office has processed 15% of all the incoming asylum cases in the last year (which shocked the MPs on the Committee, as it should - it's that incompetence that's resulting in applicants illegally being incarcerated for months at Manston). Of those, 96% had had their cases approved. Full leave to remain in the country. Don't take my word for it. That's direct from a Govt minister.

[wilts rover]

Some 12,000 Albanians have entered the UK in small boats compared with 800 last year. ( telegraph 5 days ago)

Wilts. You may note I said the vast majority NOW making the crossing . That’s not over this whole year. That is much more recently.
But for the year around a third of all migrants are from Albania. These are not fleeing a war torn country or oppression. They come for our attractive state benefit system, NHS and general standard of living.

By 'now' do mean in the time it has taken me to type this reply? This hour? Today? In the last week? The last month? I note the lack of figures and source of these figures.

Give 'them' jobs then. There are a million vacancies in the UK including c200000 in social care. That will freeup space and reduce the pressure on the NHS.

Of course if 'they' are just scroungers who dont want to work they will soon leave. Problem sorted.

[wilts rover]

Labours response to this crisis:

Labour has accused the government of allowing a huge backlog of asylum claims to build up, and failing to deal with the increased number of Channel crossings this year.
Earlier, the party's shadow home secretary Yvette Cooper said “added bureaucracy” meant claims were taking 3-6 months longer to process.
She said her party would reduce this, and also wanted to reduce the number of people being sent to hotels, adding that “increasing the use of hotels is itself a sign of failure”.
She added there had been a “huge proliferation” in criminal gang activity driving increased crossings, including Albanian organised crime.
The party wants the government to set up a specialist unit within the National Crime Agency tasked with tackling the problem.


But here’s the thing. Labour propose to reduce the backlog and fast track asylum applications. I would very much like to hear the “what then” policy if asylum applications fail. I want to see a govt where we deal with these migrants firmly and fairly and quickly.  If they fail application then what ? Because if Labour came out with a policy of shipping these people straight back to say Albania within weeks of them arriving illegally then they would get my vote at the next GE. Something I thought I would never hear myself say. But we all know the truth of the matter. It simply won’t happen. And the asylum centres being set up around the country will continue to overflow. Hotels in seaside resorts around the country will continue to fill up. Our NHS will struggle more and so it goes on.

Failed asylum seekers should be deported back to their country of origin - Yvette Cooper on Channel 4 News just. It should be online in the next hour or so I should think. She had a good 5 minutes on a range on issues, the focus was on refugees and immigration, but it's worth watching it so you know what she said.

She did talk about closer co-operation with France to stop the boats. Personally I feel there should be a processing centre in France, Calais or elsewhere. So there should then be no-need for anyone to cross on a boat - and anyone who did probably has very little cause for asylum so should be able to be removed back quicker. But as far as I am aware that is not Labour policy.

[wilts rover]

Here's a chart showing what the actual issue is - not the number of arrivals but the failure to process them.

And here is the former head of UK Border Force saying the same:

It’s 9 years since I left @ukhomeoffice as CEO of UKBA.

The rhetoric has got stronger; the control of the border has reduced.

Here’s the nub: it’s a policy failure not a delivery failure; and successful policy is mostly responding  to events collaboratively with others.

https://twitter.com/RobWhiteman/status/1587173265113600003

To me it's almost as if it is a deliberate 'policy' of this government to invent a 'migrant crises' so they both distract from their many other economic and social policy failure and keep the far-right racists (not that there any on here) onside.

[SydneyRover]

NR
1) We are still receiving a tiny fraction of the number of immigrants that the rest of Europe is dealing with.

2) Reports today are that the Home Secretary has been told by officials that she is breaking UK law in the way she is housing the arrivals in internment camps.

3) The Home Office's own figures say that, of the applications for asylum that they have processed, only 4% have been rejected.

5) Here's the real question. In the light of all of that information, shouldn't we be making it possible for asylum applicants to make legal applications for asylum, rather than forcing them into illegally crossing the Channel?

On point 1, the uk is ranked fifth in the world for the number of foreign born residents (immigrants) in the world. Based on stats provided by World population review. Only surpassed by Russia, the USA , Saudi Arabia and Germany. Just one EU country.

On point 2. Desperate times call for desperate measures. Where else are they to be housed until a proper solution can be found?

On point 3. The stats provided by the home office for “processed” application are very misleading. The current asylum application process is complex to say the least. The 4 % they allude to will be those at the first hurdle. There are many many asylum applicants in this country who have been here 10 years, who are still pending final decision. Why is this? Because we have no current strategy to deport people for the uk  in the sort of numbers we would need to to bring this whole thing under control.

On point 4. Let’s not forget that the current uk govt policy for successful asylum application is that the applicant must satisfy 2 criteria. One is that they have left their home country, that’s the easy bit. The second is that they must prove that they are escaping persecution and for them to go home would put their lives at risk. As per the 1951 refugee convention. Albanians are leaving Albania because they are desperate for a better standard of living. That does not fit with current uk govt policy for asylum.

Do you have a source for that first claim? I'd be interested to see the numbers.

By the way, the 4% figure came from a statement at the Home Affairs Committee in Parliament last week. The Home Office has processed 15% of all the incoming asylum cases in the last year (which shocked the MPs on the Committee, as it should - it's that incompetence that's resulting in applicants illegally being incarcerated for months at Manston). Of those, 96% had had their cases approved. Full leave to remain in the country. Don't take my word for it. That's direct from a Govt minister.

And if this gov't goes ahead and sacks 90,000 public servants we should all expect it to get worse.

''Redundancies as part of 91,000 job cuts plan ‘will be on 2010 terms’
Union says Cabinet Office officials confirmed voluntary exit schemes will be needed to hit PM’s target''

https://www.civilserviceworld.com/professions/article/redundancies-as-part-of-91000-job-cuts-plan-will-be-on-2010-terms#:~:text=The%20civil%20service%20shrank%20by,and%20the%20Covid%2D19%20pandemic.

[SydneyRover]

Charlotte Lynch twitter/guardian

''EXCL: Senior Home Office source tells me Home Sec refused to sign off on hotel bookings for migrants at Manston last week “because they were in Tory areas”.
@LBC
6:32 pm · 1 Nov 2022
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[BillyStubbsTears]

I didn't think it was possible to have a Home Secretary who was more vile and deranged than Patel. But Braverman knocks her into a cocked hat