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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: Sammy Chung was King on September 27, 2014, 11:29:03 pm
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Ideal manager for us,plays good football,organises his teams and knows how to produce a good youth system,he's a football man unemployed,give him a decent wage and a chance of succeeding and i'm sure he would take the job.
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Not a hope in hell of getting him.
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Not a hope in hell of getting him.
Why? we are a good club,good set of players and plenty for him to improve,plus we don't have a reputation as a sacking club,he is the perfect fit for what we want to do.
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Not a hope in hell of getting him.
Why? we are a good club,good set of players and plenty for him to improve,plus we don't have a reputation as a sacking club,he is the perfect fit for what we want to do.
We've got the same chance of getting him as we have of getting Brian Clough.
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What about Neil Redfearn? Ex Rover, weeds youth team coach and just got them a better string of results when in temporary charge of first team than PD has managed for us this season. he might be a bit peed off that they have brought in another manager rather than let him have a proper go!
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That's a good shout. I know he was heavily tipped for the Barnsley job before Danny Wilson got that one, maybe we should get a move on before they try him again?
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None of the managers mentioned or about to be mentioned, will come here with the budget available.
Paul Dickov would be a perfectly adequate manager with a better budget. He's doing the best with the hand he's been dealt.
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Don't know why you would think he plays good football. Master of channel ball and pace to run after it with very little inbetween. Redfearn on the other hand would tick my boxes.
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I think Redfearn would be a decent shout, would he come, I reckon he just might
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Give it 2 months and Redfearn will be back in charge of L**ds again because the new bloke won't last long after performances like yesterday!
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Sooooper Kevin Keegan :scarf:
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Don't know why you would think he plays good football. Master of channel ball and pace to run after it with very little inbetween. Redfearn on the other hand would tick my boxes.
With our current set of stickers this is exactly how we should be playing
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Sooooper Kevin Keegan :scarf:
I have always thought that one day he would manage his hometown club.
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Don't know why you would think he plays good football. Master of channel ball and pace to run after it with very little inbetween. Redfearn on the other hand would tick my boxes.
Baz,when i have seen McDermott teams play us and other games,i have never seen his side's play anything other than attractive football,always hard to beat.
At Reading he started off in their youth system,many of the players who ended up in their side were developed by him.
And even when they haven't made it at Reading have gone on to have a good career at other clubs.
He took over as manager of Reading and lead them practically from the bottom of the league to promotion,at Leeds he never stood a chance,the new owner wanted him out as soon as he got there,just to show he had the power.
We need a manager who can improve the club from youth upwards,while he was at Reading they didn't spend massively when you see how many fans they get.
They used the youth system,lower league signings,and they also under Coppell and him found some very good players from Ireland,Shane Long,Kevin Doyle etc.
Ideal for us if we could get him,but we still have a manager and that's up to the board what they do,i have lost confidence in Dickov,but will of course support the club whatever.
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If we replace dickov we'll be looking down the leagues for managers, not up.
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If we replace Dickov we will be looking at Managers who apply for the post, personally I think Redfearn would be a great appointment.
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Down the leagues DRFC? Well, McDermott doesn't have a job so I guess you can't get much lower than that.
Would he come here? Nah, doubt it. Would be an excellent appointment if we could get him IMO
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darren Moore
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:that: Darren Moore is a great shout.
What's Glynn Snodin up to these days?
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Steve Nicol
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Here's a radical idea. Why don't we stop looking at other managers and get behind PD. Excuse me if I'm wrong but I thought we were supposedly SUPPORTERS.
Yes I do get frustrated, but I get behind the team. Let's leave it to others to decide how the budget is sorted, where, when and how. Let's get down to the KM and buy tickets for a local derby with the Iron.
We all have opinions,with some a little radical for me. There are times I believe we should have random drug testing for supporters before they come on this site.
Scunny wil be licking their lips this weekend. Not because they're on a good run, as they're clearly not. Rus Wilcox will say get stuck into them early and the fans will turn on them.Get behind OUR team and walk away from Scunny knowing YOU gave YOUR total support. Thanks.
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Here's a radical idea. Why don't we stop looking at other managers and get behind PD. Excuse me if I'm wrong but I thought we were supposedly SUPPORTERS.
Yes I do get frustrated, but I get behind the team. Let's leave it to others to decide how the budget is sorted, where, when and how. Let's get down to the KM and buy tickets for a local derby with the Iron.
We all have opinions,with some a little radical for me. There are times I believe we should have random drug testing for supporters before they come on this site.
Scunny wil be licking their lips this weekend. Not because they're on a good run, as they're clearly not. Rus Wilcox will say get stuck into them early and the fans will turn on them.Get behind OUR team and walk away from Scunny knowing YOU gave YOUR total support. Thanks.
There's plenty of reasoned posts on the forum why people feel it's time to talk about replacing the manager.
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Here's a radical idea, why don't we just keep our manager PD. Excuse me if I'm wrong but I thought we were SUPPORTERS.Lets let others decide on budgets,who, where, when and how.
Everyone is entitled to an opinion, but some on this site are towards the extreme end for my liking. It isn't always about the ones with the loudest voices or the most expletives all the time.At times we should have random dope tests for some people on this site in my opinion.
Let's get down to the KM and buy tickets for a local derby this weekend. Let's stop bickering and doing Rus Wilcox team talk for him. If we don't get the behind the team for 90 plus minutes and give our all,then aren't we as bad as a player who switches off for a minute.
Yep I am as frustrated as most but I won't be leaving anything on the terraces supporting OUR team this weekend. Which camp are you in boys and gals?
RTID.
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Here's a radical idea, why don't we just keep our manager PD. Excuse me if I'm wrong but I thought we were SUPPORTERS.Lets let others decide on budgets,who, where, when and how.
Everyone is entitled to an opinion, but some on this site are towards the extreme end for my liking. It isn't always about the ones with the loudest voices or the most expletives all the time.At times we should have random dope tests for some people on this site in my opinion.
Let's get down to the KM and buy tickets for a local derby this weekend. Let's stop bickering and doing Rus Wilcox team talk for him. If we don't get the behind the team for 90 plus minutes and give our all,then aren't we as bad as a player who switches off for a minute.
Yep I am as frustrated as most but I won't be leaving anything on the terraces supporting OUR team this weekend. Which camp are you in boys and gals?
RTID.
There's plenty of reasoned posts on the forum why people feel it's time to talk about replacing the manager.
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DRnaith
With people who want to enter a debate or chat with sensible comments, I have no problem whatsoever.
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So why is it not sensible to talk about replacing the manager Lincoln?
Your opinion is as valid as everyone's, and I respect it. My opinion is Paul Dickov has no idea as a manager. I would evidence that by saying that after our best display of the season (Chesterfield at home) he dropped two of the better players, De Val and Wellens, and brought in Keegan and whoever. Why? Ridiculous. He was, in my opinion, solely responsible for us getting relegated last season. To be honest, I think I could have got us two points from those last seven games.
So, that's (part) of my argument and opinion. Personally, I don't think there's too much to argue with there. And I will be supporting the team whoever is in charge. Not for the next two games though cos I'm going on holiday thank ****!!
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Lincoln, I'm with MFD in that I fel PD isn't learning he makes the same mistakes over and over and was responsible in us being relegated. I've supported him despite my feelings on last season yet the same mistakes are being made, I won't stop supporting the team which includes him but I am at the point where I'm asking why he is still in charge.
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Just plucking ex players with no real managerial experience and saying they would be a good shout seems a bit pointless to me. Why would Moore be any better than PD?
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darren Moore
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Darren Moore has just taken up a youth development role at West Brom.
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DRnaith
With people who want to enter a debate or chat with sensible comments, I have no problem whatsoever.
So why, twice, slam the discussion?
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Gents
I am not questioning anyone's right to have an opinion at all. What I am saying is when is the right time to ask for change? PD has been dealt a hand and he accepted it. He honestly thought a better set of cards was coming his way, I believe.
I love to chat and listen to others opinion as much as the next bloke. There are times we have to accept it's our turn for some rough times. Hopefully it's short and sweet, but time will tell.
Why PD changed a winning team then only he can answer and then we can judge his response.
Neither am I judging anyone's loyalty to the team. It's just now is the time to get behind the team. That I feel certain we all agree on.
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If we lose at Scunny PD has to go, they will be putting out a threadbare team due to injuries. They'll be no excuses PD will be able to make as Rovers will be playing a team in a worse state than our own.
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Main's absence has been a big loss for us, and don't forget we had Jones and Tyson out the last game.
We've had loads of inexperienced kids on the bench all season and PD just doesn't have anyone to turn to if he wants to make changes and shake up the team.
There seems to be a deafening silence from the club as to when Main and Jones will be back and whether or not the funds are there to bring loan signings in.
What's the point of IRWT when there is such a lack of information from the club and the fans are treated badly?
When is the new chairman going to tell us of his hopes and aspirations for the club and become more publicity savvy?
When will we be told how much of the profit the stadium is making is being put into the playing budget?
Or whether Sheffield Eagles will be playing at the Keepmoat next season, and how much they will pay for the privilege?
Dickov is getting all the flak at the moment but don't let's kid ourselves that everything in the garden elsewhere is rosy.
I just hope he gets a fair crack of the whip and the backing to show whether he can be a successful manager or not.
Although, if it's all about sustainability then just staying in the division and sustaining our position should be good enough for the owners this season.
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Do you enjoy stirring shit Lifelong? What sort of a life have you led?
BobG
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So everyone can make a comment on here...valid or otherwise.
But when I do I'm accused of stirring.
I can only apologise.
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Well, we know Main is back in training and may be included in the squad this weekend, because it's been on the official site. Whether he is the answer or not, I don't know. I've only seen him the once and he didn't have a kick.
Lifelong, I don't think Jones is going to be much more of a bit part player for us this year. Unfortunately I don't think his body will do it any more. I also think with him and McCombe at the back we'll get murdered with anyone who plays the ball on the floor.
I agree the chairman is anonymous. So much so I can't even remember his name and he's only been chairman a few weeks. We were fortunate, in my opinion, to have JR as chairman for so long. I only wish he had the money TB has.
As for giving PD a fair crack of the whip, personally I think he had that last season. But that's my opinion and if you don't agree, that's no problem
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For me Main isn't the answer to the real problem its the defence including the keeper. We need an experienced Keeper a left back and a centre half the problem is everyone bar PD can see it.
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Thanks mrfrostsdad.
It's nice to get a considered and sane response.
I don't agree actually but I don't have a problem at all with you having a different opinion either.
I just think PD was fighting a losing battle from the start last season because of the on/off takeover talks which meant he didn't really know what his budget was going to be until the last minute.
I think he did a reasonable job in keeping our heads above water for the most part with what was really a below average Championship squad ability wise, and it looked as if we may stay up until the late collapse.
How much he was to blame for that and how much was the players' fault is hard to estimate.
And then he was blighted with the same problem this summer.
We've played less than a fifth of the league season so far and I thing it's too early to judge.
But I don't agree with some who think we've got a decent League 1 squad.
We haven't - especially if we lose one or two key members of the side.
And relying on kids who I don't believe are going to be good enough is not a recipe for success either.
It could be said that Dickov has done well to get performances like the Chesterfield game out of the team and not the other way round.
It all depends how good you judge the wafer thin squad to be.
But he will only get a fair crack of the whip in my opinion if he has a trouble free pre-season to prepare and a little bit more than 'sustainability' backing from the Board.
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For me Main isn't the answer to the real problem its the defence including the keeper. We need an experienced Keeper a left back and a centre half the problem is everyone bar PD can see it.
I agree.
But if we have someone up there who can make the ball stick a bit more it will take some of the pressure off the defence.
Having said that I couldn't agree more that the defence needs improving and I doubt whether PD needs it pointing out.
But have we got the funds to do that?
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For me Main isn't the answer to the real problem its the defence including the keeper. We need an experienced Keeper a left back and a centre half the problem is everyone bar PD can see it.
I agree.
But if we have someone up there who can make the ball stick a bit more it will take some of the pressure off the defence.
Having said that I couldn't agree more that the defence needs improving and I doubt whether PD needs it pointing out.
But have we got the funds to do that?
PD has said that funds are available to dip into the loan market if he feels there is a need
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And if he doesn't feel there is a need, then he is seriously deluded
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Tricky one that, I wonder if the players would be good enough in another team.
You have players' abilities and the manager's ability and, hopefully, when this combines you get a good enough performance.
Could we just have the same issue with different players? I honestly don't know.
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It could be said that Dickov has done well to get performances like the Chesterfield game out of the team and not the other way round.
Interesting way round of looking at it, I don't think many would have looked at it that way round I certainly didn't
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And if he doesn't feel there is a need, then he is seriously deluded
He keeps saying that he's happy with what he has so I feel he is deluded.
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For me Main isn't the answer to the real problem its the defence including the keeper. We need an experienced Keeper a left back and a centre half the problem is everyone bar PD can see it.
I agree.
But if we have someone up there who can make the ball stick a bit more it will take some of the pressure off the defence.
Having said that I couldn't agree more that the defence needs improving and I doubt whether PD needs it pointing out.
But have we got the funds to do that?
PD has said that funds are available to dip into the loan market if he feels there is a need
Don't know when he said that but I heard he told someone recently that there wasn't.
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And if he doesn't feel there is a need, then he is seriously deluded
He keeps saying that he's happy with what he has so I feel he is deluded.
But what exactly is he supposed to say DVR?
If he's stuck with the squad and can't bring others in he can hardly start slagging them off too much in public.
I can't believe anyone would think he is happy with what he's got - irrespective of what he or anyone else says - and that he wouldn't strengthen if he could.
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I don't expect him to slag off the players but it would be far easier to say he is looking at strengthening than deny there is no probem. In respect to money for loans it was stated at the meet the owners event and by PD on more than one occasion that there is.
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I don't expect him to slag off the players but it would be far easier to say he is looking at strengthening than deny there is no probem. In respect to money for loans it was stated at the meet the owners event and by PD on more than one occasion that there is.
Wouldn't it get the players on their toes if they thought a bit of competition was coming in?
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Perhaps that question would be best addressed to the Board.
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I don't expect him to slag off the players but it would be far easier to say he is looking at strengthening than deny there is no probem. In respect to money for loans it was stated at the meet the owners event and by PD on more than one occasion that there is.
One very impressive thing about the set up under Dickov is how there's been little in the way of leaks on signings. Everything is done behind closed doors which is very tough to achieve. There's clearly a lot of respect and a good team ethos with the back room staff. He may well be looking at loaners to bolster the defence but if he broadcasts it we'll be hot with by the Dingle spy network.
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I honestly feel that an answer to the Dickov problem is to dispense with Brian Horton as assistant coach (who is as useful as a chocolate teapot )
Replace him with a younger more active coach who i am sure could combine with PD and help him in training and tactics (if PD could accept that )-Big Rob would not be the answer.
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IT Would be nice if we didn't continually have to hear Paul having to explain away week after week why it hasn't worked,he has had some good results,but overall the bad outweigh the good so far.
Main is the best of the strikers we have,he will improve things,but we need some genuine pressure on the bench,a young striker who is desperate to get in the side.
I Do think we will win this one,but even if we do,it papers over weaknesses that need sorting out,a good manager makes the big decisions,McCombe and Jones would be back up till we get better,put Wakefield in at the side of McCullough.
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I don't think we've seen enough of Main to say that he's not the answer. That's foolish. He seems bright to me and gives us some oomph up front.
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STUPID Question I guess, but none the less I will ask as someone will know.
What reasonably would be the amount of money needed for a loan player.
is it 30% of his salary, 40%, 50, all of it, None of it?.
Is there a "Lump sum" payable as a loan fee?( On to of % Salary )
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STUPID Question I guess, but none the less I will ask as someone will know.
What reasonably would be the amount of money needed for a loan player.
is it 30% of his salary, 40%, 50, all of it, None of it?.
Is there a "Lump sum" payable as a loan fee?( On to of % Salary )
I believe it varies massively depending on many factors such as the reason the loaning club want the player out on loan and the benefits to either club.
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STUPID Question I guess, but none the less I will ask as someone will know.
What reasonably would be the amount of money needed for a loan player.
is it 30% of his salary, 40%, 50, all of it, None of it?.
Is there a "Lump sum" payable as a loan fee?( On to of % Salary )
Teams like Man City, United etc are usually happy to send for no fee, and still cover their wages, as generally, Youth teamers and reserve players are on wages that are a drop in the Ocean in comparison to the rest of the clubs wage bill, whilst it of course offers the young player development opportunities and first team action.
Clubs that are closer to our size in footballing terms would usually negotiate a fee and wage proportion to help with operating costs but it all depends on the circumstances of the player and as Naith says, reason for loaning the player. Disruptive players or those that are being put in the shop window = cheap, ones where we may need them more than the parent club need to loan them, would usually command a larger outlay.
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I honestly feel that an answer to the Dickov problem is to dispense with Brian Horton as assistant coach (who is as useful as a chocolate teapot )
Replace him with a younger more active coach who i am sure could combine with PD and help him in training and tactics (if PD could accept that )-Big Rob would not be the answer.
Now don't be saying things like that, I've enjoyed Mr Hortons hospitality a couple of times this season by being invited into his box. :thumbsup: My brother in law knows someone who knows someone who knows BH, if the box isn't full they can bring their friends along! I am a STH as well by the way.
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It's obvious Dickov has no funds available, he's stated in many interviews that he'd go cap in hand to the board if needs be.
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It's obvious Dickov has no funds available, he's stated in many interviews that he'd go cap in hand to the board if needs be.
Well then he needs to be calling on some of the big clubs and explaining that the pot he had in the corner of his office, to piss in, has now also been removed, and that anyone ready for first team action in Lg1, who wont require a proportion of wages and fee's covering, are very welcome to help fix our dire situation (and his job).
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It's obvious Dickov has no funds available, he's stated in many interviews that he'd go cap in hand to the board if needs be.
People were saying the same thing when it looked like Coppinger and Wellens were going elsewhere!
And don't go saying getting rid of Quinn paid for those two, Quinn would probably have been the least paid out of the three
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It's obvious Dickov has no funds available, he's stated in many interviews that he'd go cap in hand to the board if needs be.
Doesn't that then reitterate that he doesn't think there's need?
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No, it's a catch 22 situation. If he gets money for loan players now then injuries occur further down the line, he'd be scuppered!
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I don't think we've seen enough of Main to say that he's not the answer. That's foolish. He seems bright to me and gives us some oomph up front.
I wasn't saying he wouldn't help but scoring goals is only half an issue, the conceding part is far worse in my opinion
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It's obvious Dickov has no funds available, he's stated in many interviews that he'd go cap in hand to the board if needs be.
Well then he needs to be calling on some of the big clubs and explaining that the pot he had in the corner of his office, to piss in, has now also been removed, and that anyone ready for first team action in Lg1, who wont require a proportion of wages and fee's covering, are very welcome to help fix our dire situation (and his job).
The problem is he can't find the pot that he used to p..s in,because somebody put it out for the Rag man.
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Random post of the century goes to...
darren Moore
I wantd moore back in 2014
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SCWK. Hope he's okay. Not been active for over 3 years.
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Probably stuck at one of his scouting missions.
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Probably stuck at one of his scouting missions.
Been some outstanding individuals on this forum over the years.
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Random post of the century goes to...
darren Moore
I wantd moore back in 2014
Well curiosity has got the better of me. How the f**k did you come across this gem from 2014
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Random post of the century goes to...
darren Moore
I wantd moore back in 2014
Well curiosity has got the better of me. How the f**k did you come across this gem from 2014
Keith posted earlier tonight the thing about Moore in 2014 but then for reasons that escape me he's deleted it. :laugh:
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Ideal manager for us,plays good football,organises his teams and knows how to produce a good youth system,he's a football man unemployed,give him a decent wage and a chance of succeeding and i'm sure he would take the job.
] WHY .. don’t we have a manager worth his weight in GOLD !!!
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Here's a radical idea. Why don't we stop looking at other managers and get behind PD. Excuse me if I'm wrong but I thought we were supposedly SUPPORTERS.
Yes I do get frustrated, but I get behind the team. Let's leave it to others to decide how the budget is sorted, where, when and how. Let's get down to the KM and buy tickets for a local derby with the Iron.
We all have opinions,with some a little radical for me. There are times I believe we should have random drug testing for supporters before they come on this site.
Scunny wil be licking their lips this weekend. Not because they're on a good run, as they're clearly not. Rus Wilcox will say get stuck into them early and the fans will turn on them.Get behind OUR team and walk away from Scunny knowing YOU gave YOUR total support. Thanks.
Think this post has not aged so well...
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Main's absence has been a big loss for us, and don't forget we had Jones and Tyson out the last game.
We've had loads of inexperienced kids on the bench all season and PD just doesn't have anyone to turn to if he wants to make changes and shake up the team.
There seems to be a deafening silence from the club as to when Main and Jones will be back and whether or not the funds are there to bring loan signings in.
What's the point of IRWT when there is such a lack of information from the club and the fans are treated badly?
When is the new chairman going to tell us of his hopes and aspirations for the club and become more publicity savvy?
When will we be told how much of the profit the stadium is making is being put into the playing budget?
Or whether Sheffield Eagles will be playing at the Keepmoat next season, and how much they will pay for the privilege?
Dickov is getting all the flak at the moment but don't let's kid ourselves that everything in the garden elsewhere is rosy.
I just hope he gets a fair crack of the whip and the backing to show whether he can be a successful manager or not.
Although, if it's all about sustainability then just staying in the division and sustaining our position should be good enough for the owners this season.
Opening line here as well.
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SCWK. Hope he's okay. Not been active for over 3 years.
Maybe his username is Keith82 now?
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SCWK. Hope he's okay. Not been active for over 3 years.
Maybe his username is Keith82 now?
Will the real (fake) Sammy Chung please stand up?
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Was talking to someone at work about darren Moore and I told him I wanted him as manager years ago. I looked back and found the post. Took a screen shot of the post and sent it to him.. sorry
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Was talking to someone at work about darren Moore and I told him I wanted him as manager years ago. I looked back and found the post. Took a screen shot of the post and sent it to him.. sorry
No need to apologise. Superb shout & well remembered.
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Was talking to someone at work about darren Moore and I told him I wanted him as manager years ago. I looked back and found the post. Took a screen shot of the post and sent it to him.. sorry
Wasn't a dig, by the way. :laugh: