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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: glosterred on January 04, 2018, 02:11:51 pm
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From Paul Goodwin’s twitter feed
Jordan Houghton to sign on loan until the end of the season. #drfc
COYR
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From Paul Goodwin’s twitter feed
Jordan Houghton to sign on loan until the end of the season. #drfc
COYR
And his contract at Chelsea expires at the end of the season
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Hopefully we can signing at the end of the season on a permanent contract then
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Strange that a permanent deal can't be struck now, I hope he comes in the summer. Maybe Fergie wants to divert his funds elsewhere now Whiteman has gone. Either way, it's super important to keep hold of Houghton now.
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After the hope that was provided (permanent deal was said to be close) it’s disappointing that we couldn’t get this one done. More clubs will enter the fray at the end of the season I’m sure.
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Ferguson: "We did agree a deal with Chelsea to make it permanent but we couldn't agree personal terms. It'll be a loan until the end of the season. Time wasn't on our side, we had to move quick on this." #drfc
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Ferguson: "We did agree a deal with Chelsea to make it permanent but we couldn't agree personal terms. It'll be a loan until the end of the season. Time wasn't on our side, we had to move quick on this." #drfc
He'll go to the team offering the highest wage in the summer, he now knows he is not in Chelsea's plans
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Told ya
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Depressing.
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Maybe not a bad deal afterall.. we get a player we all wanted, and can if the situation allows then bid for him next window. Meanwhile he’s in the shop window so should put in good performances..
Also if we’re not footing all his wages perhaps we can afford other signings?
I just hope he doesn’t have a recall clause!
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I hope this doesn't have the Conor Grant effect on Jordan
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Perhaps the loan was done to secure him and negotiations are ongoing in the background
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I hope that's the case Filo, got to admit this has been a depressing day, losing Whiteman (he's not coming back, don't get your hopes up for that after what he's written wishing us the best in future on Twitter) and now finding Houghton hasn't signed because we couldn't agree personal terms. That shows he's open to leaving us in the summer if someone offers him a better deal.
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Or open to us offering him a better deal also.
I would be delighted to keep Houghton on a permanent but happy he's staying for the season.
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It also shows that at Season end DRFC will have 2 "high earners" off the books and more able to offer JH a "Better" package
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I hope this doesn't have the Conor Grant effect on Jordan
Who? :chair:
RE: Houghton, he'll play out his skin and get poached by potentially a Championship club OR he'll be poor and we'll all be thankful that we've dodged a bullet.
A permanent transfer at any stage looks the least likely option.
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I'm still confident we'll be able to sign him in the summer. Get Williams for example off our payroll and that's an extra few grand we could potentially commit to Houghton.
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I'm still confident we'll be able to sign him in the summer. Get Williams for example off our payroll and that's an extra few grand we could potentially commit to Houghton.
Or win the cup game, hope for a plum draw and then come back with an improved deal
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Save on the transfer fee to put into more agreeable personal terms in readiness for his contract to run out.
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I hope this doesn't have the Conor Grant effect on Jordan
But some would say,we probably dodged a bulllet?If Conor had agreed to sign full time,we probably would have ended up lumbered paying a good contract to a player not a shadow of what he was when offered the contract!I don't think him signing the contract would mean he would have been any better for us.It is a bit disappointing only signing Jordan on loan until end of season,bit it could have been worse and he got recalled by chelsea.
P.S. It also might help keep JH focused to keep performing until end of season,with him looking to get the best offer from whoever interested in him in the summer.
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He will sign in the summer after we free up some wages.
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Is this even formal yet?
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I suppose theres still the possibility another club could come in for him this transfer window, hope we have a no recall clause in the loan agreement
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If you were him would you sign now? I wouldn't.
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If you were him would you sign now? I wouldn't.
Probably not because it would probably mean a big pay cut
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About time in a January transfer window we actually invested rather than this loan debarcle which keeps biting us in the arse
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We had this with Marquis. He wanted a longer contract. Meanwhile some where losing their heads assuming this, assuming that.
All we need to know is he's staying and the loan is the best thing for all parties right now to make sure he can play on Saturday. Far from depressing!
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If you were him would you sign now? I wouldn't.
Probably not because it would probably mean a big pay cut
He will be on plenty at Chelsea, it’s his second contract I think, they were paying 18yo’s 5k a week 20 years ago.
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Nearly a double whammy! But, this can only be further bad news, just as we were building some momentum on the pitch. We will probably be outbid for his services, come the end of the season.
We will have yet another rebuilding job on again in the summer, which does not help our progression. I thought Houghton was an absolute no-brainer!
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We had this with Marquis. He wanted a longer contract. Meanwhile some where losing their heads assuming this, assuming that.
All we need to know is he's staying and the loan is the best thing for all parties right now to make sure he can play on Saturday. Far from depressing!
I'm not trying to be needlessly negative but it doesn't strike me as being best for us. We wanted him permanently, had it earmarked and it was the main focus of our January budget according to Fergie. Now all of a sudden it's a loan because Houghton is dragging his feet over personal terms and we need him available for Saturday. So, best for Houghton maybe but not the club I don't think.
I will also be interested to see what Fergie does now the money set aside for this transfer is not spent. Questions will be asked if it isn't used on reinforcing us elsewhere on the pitch.
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I think he will sign permo in summer, didn't he buy an house in area in summer?
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With McCollough coming back it is a good option, at the end of the season it could work out just right for us , and Jordan may find that the market place is full of out of contract players who cannot demand the same wages as in January.
Mason can also play there,although I do not think he is as good as those two, and Amos although very young has shown he is capable of playing in that position.
McGahey is looking an even better fit if we get our skates on, if we are interested in good young players playing at our level now that is, I think he would see us as a step up from Rochdale anyway.
That's where we were good at spotting players at our level in the past, when Sir John was our chairman, we always looked at the players already in our league, that were good players playing with the smaller clubs.
Doolan,Gregg Blundell,Coppinger, and others were scouted while playing against us or in and around our division, but were capable of playing at a higher standard.
Anyway it is no good getting upset about players who don't belong or play for you, just move on to the next one.
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Nearly a double whammy! But, this can only be further bad news, just as we were building some momentum on the pitch. We will probably be outbid for his services, come the end of the season.
We will have yet another rebuilding job on again in the summer, which does not help our progression. I thought Houghton was an absolute no-brainer!
The window between seasons is much longer and is the time to rebuild squads. January is for enhancing and firefighting for the rest of the season.
We need Houghton now, and it looks like we will have him for the short term at least..
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A few ways of looking at this and it can't be easy for DRFC or JH with his Chelsea contract up at the end of the season.
He'll be on decent money at Chelsea and will want to maximise that before he's released. Who can blame him?
We can have him for the rest of the season on loan anyway so we're saving a bit of money in the short term. Should we speculate to accumulate? Maybe, but it's a tricky balance for DF and the board when other areas of the team clearly need strengthening.
We may well be priced out in the summer but it's a calculated risk that the club obviously feels it has to take.
Unless as someone has already pointed out it's a Marquis-esque negotiation scenario and the loan is just to make sure he's here and available while a deal is thrashed out.
For me, if it's between prizing Houghton away now at an inflated price from his lucrative Chelsea contract and having no money to get a striker/left back in, vs loaning him for now and hoping he will give us first dibs on his services in the summer when we've freed up some money, I'd take the loan.
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I suppose theres still the possibility another club could come in for him
That is the biggest worry, Filo, except of course if that Club is us. Maybe they've had a bit of a handshake on it - I bloody well hope they have.
With McCollough coming back it is a good option
Don't hold your breath on that one, Selby, Luke's been out one hell of a long time. We're more likely to see Kiwomya before we see McCullough (that's if we see him again this season!).
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Where’s this McGahey nobsense come from? I could name you 3 better midfielders at rochdale alone, hence why he doesn’t play there for them.
Is it because he did a nice touch on the half way line last Friday night?
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McGahey's a CB/full back isn't he. And not one that appears to pull up many trees either.
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We need Houghton now, and it looks like we will have him for the short term at least..
See Filo's comments above. We may only have him for a few days!
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Ferguson: "We did agree a deal with Chelsea to make it permanent but we couldn't agree personal terms. It'll be a loan until the end of the season. Time wasn't on our side, we had to move quick on this." #drfc
It.s looking like he will be elsewhere next season . Personal terms is always going to be stumbling block .
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Save on the transfer fee to put into more agreeable personal terms in readiness for his contract to run out.
Barry, would we not have to pay a transfer fee anyway because of his age??
I think we need to be very careful here. Yes, we want him to sign permanently in the summer, but not on crazy wages. It seems we blew the majority of the budget on Marquis in the summer and he's not pulled up any trees this season. Williams has been on good money for two and a half years and has been one of our biggest disappointments for me over the last two years.
My guess is someone may come in for him in the summer who can pay him more than we can. A lot more
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Some absolute tubes on here. Personal terms is a very broad term. It could possibly be that he’s due a loyalty bonus, like players often are, if he gets to the end of his Chelsea contract. It may be worth him running down the contract to get that lump.
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Save on the transfer fee to put into more agreeable personal terms in readiness for his contract to run out.
Barry, would we not have to pay a transfer fee anyway because of his age??
I think we need to be very careful here. Yes, we want him to sign permanently in the summer, but not on crazy wages. It seems we blew the majority of the budget on Marquis in the summer and he's not pulled up any trees this season. Williams has been on good money for two and a half years and has been one of our biggest disappointments for me over the last two years.
My guess is someone may come in for him in the summer who can pay him more than we can. A lot more
Save on the transfer fee to put into more agreeable personal terms in readiness for his contract to run out.
Barry, would we not have to pay a transfer fee anyway because of his age??
I think we need to be very careful here. Yes, we want him to sign permanently in the summer, but not on crazy wages. It seems we blew the majority of the budget on Marquis in the summer and he's not pulled up any trees this season. Williams has been on good money for two and a half years and has been one of our biggest disappointments for me over the last two years.
My guess is someone may come in for him in the summer who can pay him more than we can. A lot more
We won’t have to pay a fee in the summer as Chelsea haven’t offered him a contract. The fee we would have been paying now would have probably to cover loyalty payments that Chelsea would have to pay him. Common practice. These things aren’t straight forward.
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Baring in mind this could be Coppingers last season, that mat free up fortunes.
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Gaz, if you look at my post I am not suggesting he plays in midfield, I am pointing out that McCullough and Mason have played there, and he would cover the right back/centre half position to allow them to do so.
Like Perkins he is just a suggestion, do I think we will go this way NO, would I consider it YES.
Hopefully our scouting system have the bases covered, I am sure they will have more than one player in mind. Time will tell.
If I had my way it would not be an issue, because I would not let any loan players play in cup competitions, there must be many a side that has been knocked out in the early rounds, by teams fielding players not available to them in the later rounds. The same with the play offs.
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I suppose theres still the possibility another club could come in for him
That is the biggest worry, Filo, except of course if that Club is us. Maybe they've had a bit of a handshake on it - I bloody well hope they have.
With McCollough coming back it is a good option
Don't hold your breath on that one, Selby, Luke's been out one hell of a long time. We're more likely to see Kiwomya before we see McCullough (that's if we see him again this season!).
Money talks not hand gestures!!
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Not being funny but no point expecting anything off lm when he is fit as unfortunately he keeps getting injured
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If you were him would you sign now? I wouldn't.
Probably not because it would probably mean a big pay cut
He will be on plenty at Chelsea, it’s his second contract I think, they were paying 18yo’s 5k a week 20 years ago.
Exactly. Mate of mine had a neighbour who was at arsenal. Guy never played above league 1 but was picking up 7k a week in their youth sides. Madness.
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Houghton here for the rest of the season. If we lose him in the summer then that’s because we can’t offer him the wages he wants. The CEO and club have the rest of the season to talk and sort it out. Losing Whiteman has forced the clubs hand to get this loan sorted quickly.
In the summer some of the high wage earners will be off the books and may allow a deal to be done.
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Houghton here for the rest of the season. If we lose him in the summer then that’s because we can’t offer him the wages he wants. The CEO and club have the rest of the season to talk and sort it out. Losing Whiteman has forced the clubs hand to get this loan sorted quickly.
In the summer some of the high wage earners will be off the books and may allow a deal to be done.
Can't offer the wages he wants, or can't offer the wages he's accustomed to?
These young players need to accept if they don't make it in the premiership bubble they need to come back into the real world
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I think Houghton is a different character to Conor Grant, and a vastly superior player too. Hopefully he’ll still be here longer term.
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Houghton here for the rest of the season. If we lose him in the summer then that’s because we can’t offer him the wages he wants. The CEO and club have the rest of the season to talk and sort it out. Losing Whiteman has forced the clubs hand to get this loan sorted quickly.
In the summer some of the high wage earners will be off the books and may allow a deal to be done.
Can't offer the wages he wants, or can't offer the wages he's accustomed to?
These young players need to accept if they don't make it in the premiership bubble they need to come back into the real world
I agree with that but then we must be prepared he will not sign.
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Houghton here for the rest of the season. If we lose him in the summer then that’s because we can’t offer him the wages he wants. The CEO and club have the rest of the season to talk and sort it out. Losing Whiteman has forced the clubs hand to get this loan sorted quickly.
In the summer some of the high wage earners will be off the books and may allow a deal to be done.
Can't offer the wages he wants, or can't offer the wages he's accustomed to?
These young players need to accept if they don't make it in the premiership bubble they need to come back into the real world
A lot of players in L1 aren’t on real world money.
Houghton is one of the best players in his position in L1, he should be payed accordingly. Whether that’s with us or elsewhere.
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Some absolute tubes on here. Personal terms is a very broad term. It could possibly be that he’s due a loyalty bonus, like players often are, if he gets to the end of his Chelsea contract. It may be worth him running down the contract to get that lump.
I dare say the "golden handshake" is something to do with it. However, if I were his agent I'd be advising him to keep his options open at this stage. There's likely to be something on the table for him here in the summer and there's the chance other clubs may be interested. We've got him till the end of the season and we'll have to take things from there.
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As stated above JH may be due a loyalty bonus from Chelsea at end of contract, if he is and that amount was 250K then JH would need to recoup that in wages from DRFC, which to me equates at roughly 5K a week for a 1 year contract with DRFC or 2.5K a week for 2 years ON TOP of a reasonable salary of say 3K a week. So there is no wonder the two parties cannot agree.
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It could well be just isn’t in our bracket .Loans are try before you buy but it’s a gamble as teams will be watching . Let’s face it we waited for Marquis to make up his mind and ended up with a player firing blanks.
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FFS Marquis is doing a great job for the team..
Houghton is a key player this season and it is great he is here for the rest..
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It could well be just isn’t in our bracket .Loans are try before you buy but it’s a gamble as teams will be watching . Let’s face it we waited for Marquis to make up his mind and ended up with a player firing blanks.
Yeah, useless that Marquis is! What good is he just terrorising defenders, holding the ball up, bringing others into play and setting up goals if he doesn't score 30 every season? Rubbish Marquis, bring back Curtis Main!
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Yeah !! Doh !
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A few ways of looking at this and it can't be easy for DRFC or JH with his Chelsea contract up at the end of the season.
He'll be on decent money at Chelsea and will want to maximise that before he's released. Who can blame him?
We can have him for the rest of the season on loan anyway so we're saving a bit of money in the short term. Should we speculate to accumulate? Maybe, but it's a tricky balance for DF and the board when other areas of the team clearly need strengthening.
We may well be priced out in the summer but it's a calculated risk that the club obviously feels it has to take.
Unless as someone has already pointed out it's a Marquis-esque negotiation scenario and the loan is just to make sure he's here and available while a deal is thrashed out.
For me, if it's between prizing Houghton away now at an inflated price from his lucrative Chelsea contract and having no money to get a striker/left back in, vs loaning him for now and hoping he will give us first dibs on his services in the summer when we've freed up some money, I'd take the loan.
Your spot on pub with the above. 100% agree with you.
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Sorry pib not pub.
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Sorry pib not pub.
freudian slip
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A few ways of looking at this and it can't be easy for DRFC or JH with his Chelsea contract up at the end of the season.
He'll be on decent money at Chelsea and will want to maximise that before he's released. Who can blame him?
We can have him for the rest of the season on loan anyway so we're saving a bit of money in the short term. Should we speculate to accumulate? Maybe, but it's a tricky balance for DF and the board when other areas of the team clearly need strengthening.
We may well be priced out in the summer but it's a calculated risk that the club obviously feels it has to take.
Unless as someone has already pointed out it's a Marquis-esque negotiation scenario and the loan is just to make sure he's here and available while a deal is thrashed out.
For me, if it's between prizing Houghton away now at an inflated price from his lucrative Chelsea contract and having no money to get a striker/left back in, vs loaning him for now and hoping he will give us first dibs on his services in the summer when we've freed up some money, I'd take the loan.
What if Chelsea offer him a new deal ?
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To me i dont personnelly like this loaning of players with the exeption of emergency cover for goalkeepers,it doesnt give our own youngsters any encouragement.The rovers were badly bitten with the Johnstone affair recalled at a minutes notice to join another club again on loan.Regarding houghton i admit has impressed but remember Manderville looked a star in the making last season.To me we should be looking for more experianced players on permanant deals not just another club giving their youngsters a platform to shine hoping more money can be made for someone they dont really want
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There's a long list of players who joined the club initially on a loan basis. It's sensible to try before you buy. The first loan I can really remember was Tony Woodcock. We didn't sign him of course but I'm glad to have seen him in a Rovers shirt.
Loans work both ways and better get used to it, as we will always utilise the loan market.
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Some say it's all down to wages, anybody thought he might be like some of the pessemists on here, and waiting to see which league we are in next season?
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A few ways of looking at this and it can't be easy for DRFC or JH with his Chelsea contract up at the end of the season.
He'll be on decent money at Chelsea and will want to maximise that before he's released. Who can blame him?
We can have him for the rest of the season on loan anyway so we're saving a bit of money in the short term. Should we speculate to accumulate? Maybe, but it's a tricky balance for DF and the board when other areas of the team clearly need strengthening.
We may well be priced out in the summer but it's a calculated risk that the club obviously feels it has to take.
Unless as someone has already pointed out it's a Marquis-esque negotiation scenario and the loan is just to make sure he's here and available while a deal is thrashed out.
For me, if it's between prizing Houghton away now at an inflated price from his lucrative Chelsea contract and having no money to get a striker/left back in, vs loaning him for now and hoping he will give us first dibs on his services in the summer when we've freed up some money, I'd take the loan.
What if Chelsea offer him a new deal ?
Jordans good but can't see Chelsea offering him a new deal at all, Conte won't even know who he is they will have about 10 other players in his position out on loan around the world who are as good or better and probably younger
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I am personally not that bothered about Whiteman or Houghton staying if we cannot afford his wages, it is unfortunate about the timing so near to the cup game, but January is notorious for top fees being paid, and when the parasite agents feather their own nests.
This is the danger of loan players, the club is being used to coach, bring on, and look after another teams players, whose club will not hesitate to take them back if they want/need to.
If Houghton does stay until the end of the season,great, but I would prefer us to replace him with a permanent player if possible, but only if he does leave now that is, and would be happy if he stayed until the end of the season, then both parties can do what they think is best for them.
If another club does not come in with a permanent move by the end of this window, I think we can assume that it is either a contractual problem, where it is not to Houghtons advantage to sign at the moment, or an agent trying it on at an important time of the year, to feather his own nest.
It will be interesting to see the outcome,
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The impact loans have had leaves the clubs progresss is in the hands of events or inflated market values. How DF can plan the future , when so many come in and leave if recalled after 6 months must be infuriating. The loans system now , is a double edged sword . You take players in and they get injured and you can’t replace them or they perform brilliant and they get recalled and your back to square one .
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I think he will sign permo in summer, didn't he buy an house in area in summer?
Don't know if he has bought a house but I do know he is currently living in an apartment with his partner.
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I think he will sign permo in summer, didn't he buy an house in area in summer?
Don't know if he has bought a house but I do know he is currently living in an apartment with his partner.
I think you call that Instagram stalking lol. Quite a lifestyle the lad has!
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Some absolute tubes on here. Personal terms is a very broad term. It could possibly be that he’s due a loyalty bonus, like players often are, if he gets to the end of his Chelsea contract. It may be worth him running down the contract to get that lump.
Very strange , surely DRFC would sort all this personal terms , loyalty bonus and so on ,out with Jordan and his agent before they approached Chelsea.
Or may be after they had initially tested the water with Chelsea.
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We have loan players because we can’t sign permanent players. If we had signed Jordan permanent we did not have the funds without players going out to sign another player.
So how could we sign three midfield players that are better than what we have when we only had money for one.
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Some absolute tubes on here. Personal terms is a very broad term. It could possibly be that he’s due a loyalty bonus, like players often are, if he gets to the end of his Chelsea contract. It may be worth him running down the contract to get that lump.
Very strange , surely DRFC would sort all this personal terms , loyalty bonus and so on ,out with Jordan and his agent before they approached Chelsea.
Or may be after they had initially tested the water with Chelsea.
DF made it clear in an interview a while ago that JH would not be invited to discuss terms until it was sanctioned by his parent club .
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Some absolute tubes on here. Personal terms is a very broad term. It could possibly be that he’s due a loyalty bonus, like players often are, if he gets to the end of his Chelsea contract. It may be worth him running down the contract to get that lump.
Very strange , surely DRFC would sort all this personal terms , loyalty bonus and so on ,out with Jordan and his agent before they approached Chelsea.
Or may be after they had initially tested the water with Chelsea.
DF made it clear in an interview a while ago that JH would not be invited to discuss terms until it was sanctioned by his parent club .
Right , i must have missed that interview .
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A few ways of looking at this and it can't be easy for DRFC or JH with his Chelsea contract up at the end of the season.
He'll be on decent money at Chelsea and will want to maximise that before he's released. Who can blame him?
We can have him for the rest of the season on loan anyway so we're saving a bit of money in the short term. Should we speculate to accumulate? Maybe, but it's a tricky balance for DF and the board when other areas of the team clearly need strengthening.
We may well be priced out in the summer but it's a calculated risk that the club obviously feels it has to take.
Unless as someone has already pointed out it's a Marquis-esque negotiation scenario and the loan is just to make sure he's here and available while a deal is thrashed out.
For me, if it's between prizing Houghton away now at an inflated price from his lucrative Chelsea contract and having no money to get a striker/left back in, vs loaning him for now and hoping he will give us first dibs on his services in the summer when we've freed up some money, I'd take the loan.
What if Chelsea offer him a new deal ?
What if they do? Would be a surprise given they're willing to sell him to a L1 side now.
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The positive side of this is there must be the money put aside for signing JH still in the pot. Who might that be used for?
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The positive side of this is there must be the money put aside for signing JH still in the pot. Who might that be used for?
You are right but if another club comes in and meets the valuation agreed with Chelsea Plus negotiates agreed wages we could lose him this window. So we might have hang on to that money.
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It sounds like a very complicated jig saw puzzle.
Maybe it’s not as complicated as is being made out on here.
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Surely the money is for the here and now not next season?
The loan has been agreed for the rest of the season so how would we lose him in this window? Can an agreed loan deal be annulled?
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Surely the money is for the here and now not next season?
The loan has been agreed for the rest of the season so how would we lose him in this window? Can an agreed loan deal be annulled?
I thought a player could be sold in atransfer window even a loan agreement had been made or has that changed now.
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Some absolute tubes on here. Personal terms is a very broad term. It could possibly be that he’s due a loyalty bonus, like players often are, if he gets to the end of his Chelsea contract. It may be worth him running down the contract to get that lump.
Very strange , surely DRFC would sort all this personal terms , loyalty bonus and so on ,out with Jordan and his agent before they approached Chelsea.
Or may be after they had initially tested the water with Chelsea.
Is that not effectively tapping up? :laugh:
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I think he will sign permo in summer, didn't he buy an house in area in summer?
Don't know if he has bought a house but I do know he is currently living in an apartment with his partner.
I think you call that Instagram stalking lol. Quite a lifestyle the lad has!
I deliver to him & his partner.
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Some absolute tubes on here. Personal terms is a very broad term. It could possibly be that he’s due a loyalty bonus, like players often are, if he gets to the end of his Chelsea contract. It may be worth him running down the contract to get that lump.
Very strange , surely DRFC would sort all this personal terms , loyalty bonus and so on ,out with Jordan and his agent before they approached Chelsea.
Or may be after they had initially tested the water with Chelsea.
Is that not effectively tapping up? :laugh:
It would be, yes. Even if the player is on loan here, you have to agree a transfer with the parent club before conducting any negotiations with the player and his agent regarding that transfer.
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I might be in a minority here but I'm glad it's a loan deal and not permanent.
Houghton still has much to prove, IMO, and he's got another four months to do it during which time we can
A) See if his performances merit what he thinks he's worth wages wise
B) See if we actually want him on a long term deal; and
C) If he's worth it, open negotiations in the next four months.
We obviously run the risk of possibly losing him to a higher bidder in the summer if he does well, but by having him on loan we don't run the risk of having to fork out X amount on wages for however long if he gets injured again.
All good, IMO.
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I might be in a minority here but I'm glad it's a loan deal and not permanent.
Houghton still has much to prove, IMO, and he's got another four months to do it during which time we can
A) See if his performances merit what he thinks he's worth wages wise
B) See if we actually want him on a long term deal; and
C) If he's worth it, open negotiations in the next four months.
We obviously run the risk of possibly losing him to a higher bidder in the summer if he does well, but by having him on loan we don't run the risk of having to fork out X amount on wages for however long if he gets injured again.
All good, IMO.
Could I had (D) Help us us to safety.
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I might be in a minority here but I'm glad it's a loan deal and not permanent.
Houghton still has much to prove, IMO, and he's got another four months to do it during which time we can
A) See if his performances merit what he thinks he's worth wages wise
B) See if we actually want him on a long term deal; and
C) If he's worth it, open negotiations in the next four months.
We obviously run the risk of possibly losing him to a higher bidder in the summer if he does well, but by having him on loan we don't run the risk of having to fork out X amount on wages for however long if he gets injured again.
All good, IMO.
Could I had (D) Help us us to safety.
Spot on.
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You only have to listen to DF to hear that he was disappointed not to get it finalized . Houghton has nothing to prove we are a better team with him in front of the defence, he is an excellent player with a level headed approach. We have only to look at last season when we lost him for the remainder of the season and our form dipped to the point where winning the League was just dream instead of the reality it should have been .
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It could be any number of things why he (or his agent) didn't accept the first offer. The point is there was no time for protracted negotiations as his loan had expired. Unlike with Marquis where time wasn't really an issue, this had to be dealt with fast or lose his services. Given the Whiteman situation, we need Houghton in the line up on Saturday.
To be assuming we can't afford his wages is naïve. Bearing in mind a permanent transfer away from Chelsea is,a big step for him, he and his agent can afford more time to get the best terms.
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Can we still sign him permanently in this transfer window if he has signed on loan?
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Can we still sign him permanently in this transfer window if he has signed on loan?
Yes of course. Most loans are very flexible.
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You only have to listen to DF to hear that he was disappointed not to get it finalized . Houghton has nothing to prove we are a better team with him in front of the defence, he is an excellent player with a level headed approach. We have only to look at last season when we lost him for the remainder of the season and our form dipped to the point where winning the League was just dream instead of the reality it should have been .
We got promotion with 5 games to go, our form dipped after that, Houghton was missing from January
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Some say it's all down to wages, anybody thought he might be like some of the pessemists on here, and waiting to see which league we are in next season?
So, is he himself being negative about our prospects this season?
Using your analogy,I guess so.
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Surely the money is for the here and now not next season?
The loan has been agreed for the rest of the season so how would we lose him in this window? Can an agreed loan deal be annulled?
I thought a player could be sold in atransfer window even a loan agreement had been made or has that changed now.
I believe this answers my question.
52.1.2 any player registered on any other form of loan at a club, may not sign for any other Club (or club) during the period of the respective loan.
Therefore once the loan has been agreed, before Saturday we hope, he ours for the rest of the season
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I might be in a minority here but I'm glad it's a loan deal and not permanent.
Houghton still has much to prove, IMO, and he's got another four months to do it during which time we can
A) See if his performances merit what he thinks he's worth wages wise
B) See if we actually want him on a long term deal; and
C) If he's worth it, open negotiations in the next four months.
We obviously run the risk of possibly losing him to a higher bidder in the summer if he does well, but by having him on loan we don't run the risk of having to fork out X amount on wages for however long if he gets injured again.
All good, IMO.
Could I had (D) Help us us to safety.
But surely we are safe now that we are top half.
How can you post such a negative thing.
(Tongue firmly in writers cheek).
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Only a few weeks ago you were saying you would snap someone's hand off at a midtable finish. And you couldn't see it happing at all.
Now we're in that position you're suggesting a midtable finish would be a negative
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Only a few weeks ago you were saying you would snap someone's hand off at a midtable finish. And you couldn't see it happing at all.
Now we're in that position you're suggesting a midtable finish would be a negative
Dickos, please stop jumping on my posts.
You always seem to pick on me but never other posters.
Where am I suggesting that a mid table position would be negative?
Just to make it clear, a few weeks ago, yes I would have snapped your hand off for a mid table finish but since then things have improved.
I have said as much in my recent posts.
However, as you well know, we haven’t yet finished in mid table have we.
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Surely the money is for the here and now not next season?
The loan has been agreed for the rest of the season so how would we lose him in this window? Can an agreed loan deal be annulled?
I thought a player could be sold in atransfer window even a loan agreement had been made or has that changed now.
I believe this answers my question.
52.1.2 any player registered on any other form of loan at a club, may not sign for any other Club (or club) during the period of the respective loan.
Therefore once the loan has been agreed, before Saturday we hope, he ours for the rest of the season
If a player is recalled he would n't be on loan at another club
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Surely the money is for the here and now not next season?
The loan has been agreed for the rest of the season so how would we lose him in this window? Can an agreed loan deal be annulled?
I thought a player could be sold in atransfer window even a loan agreement had been made or has that changed now.
I believe this answers my question.
52.1.2 any player registered on any other form of loan at a club, may not sign for any other Club (or club) during the period of the respective loan.
Therefore once the loan has been agreed, before Saturday we hope, he ours for the rest of the season
If a player is recalled he would n't be on loan at another club
I’m Looking at Houghton who has not been recalled so once the loan has been agreed under that law he is ours to the end of the season.
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Only a few weeks ago you were saying you would snap someone's hand off at a midtable finish. And you couldn't see it happing at all.
Now we're in that position you're suggesting a midtable finish would be a negative
Dickos, please stop jumping on my posts.
You always seem to pick on me but never other posters.
Where am I suggesting that a mid table position would be negative?
Just to make it clear, a few weeks ago, yes I would have snapped your hand off for a mid table finish but since then things have improved.
I have said as much in my recent posts.
However, as you well know, we haven’t yet finished in mid table have we.
Jumping on your posts??
It's a discussion board, you say something and other people respond that's how it works.
It's the first comment I've made on one of your posts this year I reckon.
Just seems to me, now we're looking good for achieving something you would have snapped your hand off for, you're moving the goalposts to something even better, just so you can still describe the season as a disappointment when we don't achieve it.
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Surely the money is for the here and now not next season?
The loan has been agreed for the rest of the season so how would we lose him in this window? Can an agreed loan deal be annulled?
I thought a player could be sold in atransfer window even a loan agreement had been made or has that changed now.
I believe this answers my question.
52.1.2 any player registered on any other form of loan at a club, may not sign for any other Club (or club) during the period of the respective loan.
Therefore once the loan has been agreed, before Saturday we hope, he ours for the rest of the season
If a player is recalled he would n't be on loan at another club
I’m Looking at Houghton who has not been recalled so once the loan has been agreed under that law he is ours to the end of the season.
But he could be recalled this month if Chelsea got an offer for him' recall, meaning the loan has ended then sell him
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I might be in a minority here but I'm glad it's a loan deal and not permanent.
Houghton still has much to prove, IMO, and he's got another four months to do it during which time we can
A) See if his performances merit what he thinks he's worth wages wise
B) See if we actually want him on a long term deal; and
C) If he's worth it, open negotiations in the next four months.
We obviously run the risk of possibly losing him to a higher bidder in the summer if he does well, but by having him on loan we don't run the risk of having to fork out X amount on wages for however long if he gets injured again.
All good, IMO.
Could I had (D) Help us us to safety.
But surely we are safe now that we are top half.
How can you post such a negative thing.
We haven't got over 50 points yet. There's plenty of work still to be done to guarantee safety.
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Surely the money is for the here and now not next season?
The loan has been agreed for the rest of the season so how would we lose him in this window? Can an agreed loan deal be annulled?
I thought a player could be sold in atransfer window even a loan agreement had been made or has that changed now.
I believe this answers my question.
52.1.2 any player registered on any other form of loan at a club, may not sign for any other Club (or club) during the period of the respective loan.
Therefore once the loan has been agreed, before Saturday we hope, he ours for the rest of the season
If a player is recalled he would n't be on loan at another club
I’m Looking at Houghton who has not been recalled so once the loan has been agreed under that law he is ours to the end of the season.
But he could be recalled this month if Chelsea got an offer for him' recall, meaning the loan has ended then sell him
Thought a player couldn't be recalled within 28 days of the start of the loan?
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Only a few weeks ago you were saying you would snap someone's hand off at a midtable finish. And you couldn't see it happing at all.
Now we're in that position you're suggesting a midtable finish would be a negative
This year isn't five days old yet.
I haven't suggested anything negative at all.
You have a habit of trying to imply that they are.
I have my reasons for cutting this discussion short so you can have the last word if you want to.
Dickos, please stop jumping on my posts.
You always seem to pick on me but never other posters.
Where am I suggesting that a mid table position would be negative?
Just to make it clear, a few weeks ago, yes I would have snapped your hand off for a mid table finish but since then things have improved.
I have said as much in my recent posts.
However, as you well know, we haven’t yet finished in mid table have we.
Jumping on your posts??
It's a discussion board, you say something and other people respond that's how it works.
It's the first comment I've made on one of your posts this year I reckon.
Just seems to me, now we're looking good for achieving something you would have snapped your hand off for, you're moving the goalposts to something even better, just so you can still describe the season as a disappointment when we don't achieve it.
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Let’s hope today the club can announce a loan agreement for the rest of the season.
If it continues into next week then it may not happen. Let’s hope the club and CEO are not naive to miss out with protracted negotiations.
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Surely the money is for the here and now not next season?
The loan has been agreed for the rest of the season so how would we lose him in this window? Can an agreed loan deal be annulled?
I thought a player could be sold in atransfer window even a loan agreement had been made or has that changed now.
I believe this answers my question.
52.1.2 any player registered on any other form of loan at a club, may not sign for any other Club (or club) during the period of the respective loan.
Therefore once the loan has been agreed, before Saturday we hope, he ours for the rest of the season
If a player is recalled he would n't be on loan at another club
I’m Looking at Houghton who has not been recalled so once the loan has been agreed under that law he is ours to the end of the season.
But he could be recalled this month if Chelsea got an offer for him' recall, meaning the loan has ended then sell him
Thought a player couldn't be recalled within 28 days of the start of the loan?
Yes, I think you are correct, so in that case we do have Houghton for the rest of the season
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Didn’t we fall foul of this with Sam Johnson
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So it’s official the loan deal is done till the end of the season.
Jordon is happy the deal is done.
NEWS | @HOUGHTON_J was pleased to come to an agreement with #DRFC early in January, after extending his loan until the end of the season. bit.ly/2AuOnaz
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Didn’t we fall foul of this with Sam Johnson
I think the regulations on loans have been tightened up since then.
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Didn’t we fall foul of this with Sam Johnson
I think the regulations on loans have been tightened up since then.
His loan was halfway through a season long loan I think, and he was recalled in January to go to Preston on loan
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I think that we also agreed to the early termination of his loan as the move to Preston was supposed to be a loan with a view to a permenant transfer at a price that we could never match.
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Thanks guys
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Only a few weeks ago you were saying you would snap someone's hand off at a midtable finish. And you couldn't see it happing at all.
Now we're in that position you're suggesting a midtable finish would be a negative
This year isn't five days old yet.
I haven't suggested anything negative at all.
You have a habit of trying to imply that they are.
I have my reasons for cutting this discussion short so you can have the last word if you want to.
Dickos, please stop jumping on my posts.
You always seem to pick on me but never other posters.
Where am I suggesting that a mid table position would be negative?
Just to make it clear, a few weeks ago, yes I would have snapped your hand off for a mid table finish but since then things have improved.
I have said as much in my recent posts.
However, as you well know, we haven’t yet finished in mid table have we.
Jumping on your posts??
It's a discussion board, you say something and other people respond that's how it works.
It's the first comment I've made on one of your posts this year I reckon.
Just seems to me, now we're looking good for achieving something you would have snapped your hand off for, you're moving the goalposts to something even better, just so you can still describe the season as a disappointment when we don't achieve it.
I have re read my post and still can't see where I have said a mid table finish isn't good enough.
Nowhere have I said anything negative about our recent upturn except if course for saying that Northampton were poor.
Lots of other people said the same but you didn't make any comment about them doing so.
Maybe you should understand that sometimes people can express a viewpoint which is just a concern, not a negative post.
As you say, it is a forum and lots of other members post similarly to myself.
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I know you haven't said it, I didn't say you had.
I said you're moving the goalposts to something better so then at the end of the season if we finish midtable you can then say it's disappointing.
Rather than saying midtable is brilliant which you had said when you felt it was unachievabke
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Have to say I cannot understand where all this supposed ' negativity' of hound's posts comes from. Having followed his posts for a while now I find the majority to be positive assessment and critique of the team - even when we win there may be some elements of a oerformance that warrants critique.
I also fully agree on hounds post re the Northampton game which I also watched - yes we played quite well and yes we got the 3 points BUT Northampton that day were very poor and ther display supported their league position and their goals against also!!
if I remember rightly their manager was also quite critical post match of his teams poor display. Hound being negative - I do not agree and find his posts quite refreshing and factual and sometimes a bit of subtle humour thrown in.
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Dickos I love your positivity with regard anything Rovers.
There is no one more positive than me so I understand your dislike for what you see as negativity.
That said this is a forum for all to air their views whatever they maybe. As long as they are not racist, abusive, or contain foul language they are part of a discussion forum that this site is supposed to be.
What I don’t understand is why you are continually looking for a verbal fight with anybody you think is being negative.
Particularly Hound. He like all of us are entitled to our opinions even if some of the posts on here may in your or my view be total nonsense.
PLEASE PLEASE pack it in. It is getting tiresome and boring.
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Well said Campsall - onwards and upwards
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I'm not looking for a fight, hound said numerous times he didn't think we would make midtable this season and he'd snap his hand off for it.
Today in response to the suggestion houghton naught be waiting to see which league were in next year, hound stated
So, is he himself being negative about our prospects this season?
Using your analogy,I guess so.
This implies that not getting promotion is a negative
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I'm not looking for a fight, hound said numerous times he didn't think we would make midtable this season and he'd snap his hand off for it.
Today in response to the suggestion houghton naught be waiting to see which league were in next year, hound stated
So, is he himself being negative about our prospects this season?
Using your analogy,I guess so.
This implies that not getting promotion is a negative
It is nothing of the sort mate, it was a question about what thoughts JH might be having, not my thoughts at all.
It could even be him considering whether we could end up back in L2 if things took a turn for the worse ( his thoughts, not my suggestion, just so you know).
A number of good results have lifted us up the league but as someone else (not me) has posted earlier, a few bad results could put us back in the relegation mix.
By the way, I was appalled the other day when you suggested that I would be unhappy that we were leading 2-0 against Rochdale.
I could not have been anything but the polar opposite.
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Can you argue through pm ffs! You’re spoiling every theead!
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Sorry Filo but I have to defend myself against accusations.
As mach2man and Campsall noted, I am the innocent party here.
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Hound, you're starting to sound like baby!
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Hound, you're starting to sound like baby!
At least it isn’t negative mate. ;)
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He wants to come. A good move on all parts I think, so we can thrash out the deal that works directly with him.
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We have issued some advice to one or two posters this week about their approach on the forum that is spoiling it for others. Heed our words please, otherwise you leave us with little alternatives. We don't want to be deleting posts if we can help it.
Be nice out there, play fair.
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Ooooooooh it's kicking off and the headmaster is getting involved now! :lol:
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Some folk perhaps need to log off now and again.
Smell fresh air. Read a book. Meet some friends.
More to life than a computer screen.
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Some folk perhaps need to log off now and again.
Smell fresh air. Read a book. Meet some friends.
More to life than a computer screen.
Who on earth do you possibly mean? Do you think the message will have registered.
Oh please please I do hope so.
Peace and goodwill to all Rovers fans everywhere.
UTOPIA :that:
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Some folk perhaps need to log off now and again.
Smell fresh air. Read a book. Meet some friends.
More to life than a computer screen.
Who on earth do you possibly mean? Do you think the message will have registered.
Oh please please I do hope so.
Peace and goodwill to all Rovers fans everywhere.
UTOPIA :that:
I too hope the advice given out by admin has registered
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Can you argue through pm ffs! You’re spoiling every theead!
We've not posted in any other thread 😂
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Can you argue through pm ffs! You’re spoiling every theead!
We've not posted in any other thread 😂
You'll find some playground stuff between you in this thread
https://www.drfc-vsc.co.uk/index.php?topic=264695.0
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Can you argue through pm ffs! You’re spoiling every theead!
We've not posted in any other thread 😂
You'll find some playground stuff between you in this thread
https://www.drfc-vsc.co.uk/index.php?topic=264695.0
Yeah, over a week ago.
Spoiling every thread 🙄
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Your at it again. Grow up. Let’s talk about Rovers.
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Get a grip,
Instead of just reading my post and having a pop, read the initial post which I was responding to.
Throughout this thread there's only one person being aggressive and it's you my friend
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We have issued some advice to one or two posters this week about their approach on the forum that is spoiling it for others. Heed our words please, otherwise you leave us with little alternatives. We don't want to be deleting posts if we can help it.
Well said.
Be nice out there, play fair.
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Hope it now sinks in.
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I am going to give up reasoning with you as I am quite obviously wasting my time.
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Seems to me that admin mention x2 posters being advised re their posts on the forum but I get the feeling it is only really Hound that has been approached as the tone of the posts that allegedly started all of this off is still continuing. Let's stick to all things Rovers and ensure we get open and honest exchange of comments/opinion and of course a bit of good old canter and humour.
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It’s getting boring, agree to dissgree and move on, or contine your disagreements in private
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Hope it now sinks in.
I've not Heard from the admin fella,
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It’s boring for everyone else to wade through when I want to read about Houghton. Maybe we should have a ‘handbags at dawn’ section?
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He's just said on Radio Sheff that he'd consider signing permanent this window but he wanted some time to make his mind up because leaving Chelsea is a big deal.
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He's just said on Radio Sheff that he'd consider signing permanent this window but he wanted some time to make his mind up because leaving Chelsea is a big deal.
I heard the interview, it sounds promising
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I think it sounds like he's going to sign
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Hope it now sinks in.
I've not Heard from the admin fella,
You have now.
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He's just said on Radio Sheff that he'd consider signing permanent this window but he wanted some time to make his mind up because leaving Chelsea is a big deal.
Sounds like a sensible lad. Did the right thing not rushing his first move.
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Because certain individuals wish to keep hijacking this post so they can have a pop at others we've locked this topic and we've deleted a few posts. We asked you to defer from doing so.
If you want to talk about Houghton then somebody can start another topic.