Post by: selby on January 25, 2020, 09:34:16 am
It will not, recently although not winning too many they are proving much more difficult to beat, drawing games earlier in the season they were getting beaten in, and we need to get a result, therefore playing the game and not the occasion, being patient and taking what chances we create being important.
Will we have new recruits? possibly not for this fixture, most of us are able to pick probably nine players if fit, who would be the other two? more of a lottery, especially after the good display at Sunderland.
So, Would you make changes?
Are you expecting transfer news before this game?
can we get back in the mix for a top six finish?
Lots to discuss about this game, please have your say.
Post by: IDM on January 25, 2020, 09:37:43 am
I can see Copps starting, but who to leave out.?
James looked a real threat in that advanced position and Gomes was very good.
We do need more options to change the game. Hopefully Sadlier will be allowed back, and like him or not, Bingham too.
But yes, or would be good to have at least one incoming player even if only on the bench.
Southend will be no pushovers that’s for sure.
Post by: Campsall rover on January 25, 2020, 09:50:33 am
If we are at it from the start, get an early lead & get the 2nd before half time then i would fancy a 3 or 4 hopefully nil win.
Another clean sheet would be good. If we keep getting them then without stating the obvious we only need 1 to win.
Until we get that elusive goal scorer then 1 goal is the number we are likely to get in the majority of matches.
Scoring 3/4 goals is going to be a a fairly rare event.
Post by: Jonathan on January 25, 2020, 09:58:55 am
Post by: Colin C No.3 on January 25, 2020, 10:09:35 am
We can’t lose this one after last night’s gutsy performance surely. But yes, we need more creativity than we were able to show last night so Copps & Sadler will hopefully start.
Post by: selby on January 25, 2020, 02:20:18 pm
Sadlier could be one who returns, but with an head injury I would think caution would be required, and leave it to the medical experts.
Coppinger gives us that bit extra going forward, Blair gives us pace and cover in more than one area, and it would not surprise me if there is a roll reversal with Taylor on the bench, and Matty starting.
So my pick would be Coppinger for Gomes, Taylor if 100% fit , but Blair as the wide right man if not.
Post by: Alan Southstand on January 25, 2020, 02:32:48 pm
Why should Gomes lose out when he put in a tremendous shift last night? It would be very unfair in my view. Maybe Sadlier could come back in, but that depends on his concussion. He would then replace James who drops back to his normal berth.
Taylor, for all the frustration with him, would also keep his shirt, if 100%.
Fingers crossed for a signing, or three next week.
Post by: Chris Black come back on January 25, 2020, 02:32:55 pm
Post by: Chris Black come back on January 25, 2020, 02:35:10 pm
Post by: DonnyBazR0ver on January 25, 2020, 02:51:32 pm
Post by: the vicar on January 25, 2020, 03:09:49 pm
Post by: Colemans Left Hook on January 25, 2020, 05:47:45 pm
"During a three-year stint with Scunthorpe Hopper scored 23 goals, before leaving to join Southend United, scoring 10 times in 30 appearances."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/51224156
another gone 16th January was Simon Cox [Southend - Western Sydney Wanderers] Free
who used to be a very good player
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/51132943
and wait for it
On 29 August 2019, Robinson joined League Two side Colchester United on loan until January 2020.[63] He scored his first goal for "U's" in their 3–2 EFL Trophy win against Gillingham on 3 September.[64] After a relatively successful start to the campaign for Robinson, the loan deal was extended until the end of the 2019–20 season on 14 January 2020
So on paper it seems Southend are aiming to score "Nil" at best and depending on Rovers own goals (a cunning plan) :headbang:
Post by: Padge_DRFC on January 25, 2020, 09:54:58 pm
Post by: Barmby Rover on January 25, 2020, 10:19:04 pm
Post by: sedwardsdrfc on January 25, 2020, 10:45:21 pm
Cameron John out Coppinger in. James left back.
That's what i'd go with as well. If Sadlier can play he's good to be able to bring on if needed.
Post by: DonnyBazR0ver on January 27, 2020, 03:21:06 pm
Who starts, Ennis or Cole or both?
Post by: IDM on January 27, 2020, 03:24:11 pm
Can’t be playing young players too often can we.?(Bolton)
Post by: dickos1 on January 27, 2020, 03:45:58 pm
Simples
Post by: IDM on January 27, 2020, 03:48:05 pm
Post by: bpoolrover on January 27, 2020, 03:51:06 pm
Post by: sha66y on January 27, 2020, 04:36:05 pm
Post by: IDM on January 27, 2020, 04:41:44 pm
Post by: selby on January 27, 2020, 04:42:56 pm
Well said IDM
Post by: drfchound on January 27, 2020, 04:47:41 pm
On the selection issues, bring it on, you can’t have too many good players in your squad.
It is up to the manager to play who he thinks is right against the opposition any particular week.
Post by: sha66y on January 27, 2020, 05:10:43 pm
Post by: Dutch Uncle on January 27, 2020, 05:17:37 pm
Post by: ravenrover on January 27, 2020, 05:42:09 pm
The defence speaks for itself with just a debate over John or James at LB
Now fit the rest into the team.
Do we stick with the same 4 2 3 1 formation or do we now change, if we change then to what?
Who and how would you play on Tuesday?
Post by: selby on January 27, 2020, 06:38:55 pm
I would hope we get to the position in the game so as we could ease him into the game in the second half, without him feeling too much under pressure.
Post by: Donnybax on January 27, 2020, 06:43:04 pm
Post by: Barmby Rover on January 27, 2020, 07:14:43 pm
Post by: IDM on January 27, 2020, 07:16:58 pm
I think we should win, but a big score isn’t a given..
Post by: dickos1 on January 27, 2020, 07:22:00 pm
In place of.?
Sadlier Cole ennis
Post by: Donnybax on January 27, 2020, 07:23:39 pm
Not sure why folks think we should get a big win..I’m not saying we SHOULD get a big win. I’d take a 1-0 now if offered. I’ve just got a hunch
I think we should win, but a big score isn’t a given..
Post by: selby on January 27, 2020, 07:49:06 pm
When I asked the question, the general consensus was, Good question nobody had a real opinion.
Post by: dickos1 on January 27, 2020, 07:51:28 pm
Similar to wilks.
He’s strong, powerful and quick.
I’d play Cole up top with sadlier and ennis just off him, with Taylor coming off the bench when they’re tired
Post by: Campsall rover on January 27, 2020, 07:52:05 pm
Give Sadlier another game off. He has not been at his best in the last few weeks.
Post by: IDM on January 27, 2020, 07:54:12 pm
In place of.?
Sadlier Cole ennis
That doesn’t answer the question, which players would drop out.?
Post by: dickos1 on January 27, 2020, 07:55:20 pm
Post by: dickos1 on January 27, 2020, 07:57:06 pm
Mine Brian would try Ennis in a wide left position.
Give Sadlier another game off. He has not been at his best in the last few weeks.
Sadlier has been better than Taylor over the last few weeks and provides us with a greater goal threat
Post by: IDM on January 27, 2020, 07:58:27 pm
I expect Copps to start so maybe Sadlier misses out too, unless DM swaps out Gomes, which would be harsh.?
Post by: Jonathan on January 27, 2020, 08:37:59 pm
Mine Brian would try Ennis in a wide left position.
Give Sadlier another game off. He has not been at his best in the last few weeks.
Sadlier has been better than Taylor over the last few weeks and provides us with a greater goal threat
Agreed. Taylor runs around a lot but his end product has to improve. He sees more of the ball than anyone else in the team and needs to start doing more with it.
Post by: selby on January 27, 2020, 08:45:41 pm
That is why of the players that can play wide Taylor would be my first pick as a wide player, and Sadlier on his game is a goal scorer both in the box and from distance.
To me Dickos, Ennis has turning and acceleration over short distances, a great attribute, but over distance is not that quick, and if he gets starts now needs to get goals to keep his place, I would find it hard to change the team that started at Sunderland myself, in the first half, against one of the divisions better teams we played very very well, and they deserve to keep the shirt for me because of their form, and competition for a start is what we want.
I prefer James to John at full back, and would start Coppinger instead of Gomes normally, just my own preference, but would keep the same team to start this game, they deserve it in my opinion, and will have to play well to keep it, or those left out show in training they deserve a start.
Post by: dickos1 on January 27, 2020, 08:50:53 pm
Bringing sadlier and Cole in woukd make us much more threatening.
The line up at Sunderland was solid and defensive, we don’t need that set up to play against the worst side in the league at home.
Post by: Jonathan on January 27, 2020, 08:54:58 pm
I’m not sure about Ennis in another role. I’ve never seen him play in another position and I haven’t really seen the guile to convince me he could create from there. But he’s been a great number 9 for us and I really like him in that role. Every now and again he looks knackered like the pressure on him is taking its toll. I’m glad we’ve brought in some help and Cole should take some of the weight off his shoulders.
Post by: drfchound on January 27, 2020, 08:56:39 pm
Post by: sedwardsdrfc on January 27, 2020, 08:58:16 pm
Post by: IDM on January 27, 2020, 09:01:12 pm
I reckon DM will start with Ennis up top but will probably get Cole onto the pitch part way through the second half.
I would agree - perhaps with John making way for Copps..
Post by: selby on January 27, 2020, 09:02:14 pm
Post by: steve@dcfd on January 27, 2020, 10:35:35 pm
Gomes had his best game playing in Copps position, not wide left.
So it’s a choice of Sadlier coming in for James, you lose out on work rate and overall game but he may score. If he’s fit enough to play..
So does James go back to left back in place of John I’m not sure.
For me John goes to bench and James goes to left back.
Sadlier comes in for James.
Copps remains on the bench.
Post by: Paul Simpson on January 27, 2020, 10:44:49 pm
Post by: bpoolrover on January 27, 2020, 10:49:11 pm
Post by: the vicar on January 27, 2020, 10:50:43 pm
Not sure why folks think we should get a big win..I remember in the 70s we played Bury at away in the cup and beat them 6-0, we played Bury the week after in the league and lost 6-0
I think we should win, but a big score isn’t a given..
Post by: Jonathan on January 27, 2020, 11:18:53 pm
So it’s a choice of Sadlier coming in for James, you lose out on work rate and overall game but he may score.
Lose out on work rate and overall game? Give over. How about we actually play down the left a bit. I’d like to see a bit more variety in our attacking game. So many times we go down the right and end up in blind alleys.
Gomes could consider himself unfortunate to miss out, but I’d bring Coppinger back in for a home game that we need to play on the front foot. And find a way of getting Coppinger and Sadlier on the bell facing the opposition goal. We have some great attacking players but need to use them all effectively.
Would be good to see Cole introduced at some point. Happy with the signing, frustrated that it’s only short term.
Post by: Campsall rover on January 27, 2020, 11:27:55 pm
Yes short term because it’s up to him to prove himself. Is that not a good thing?So it’s a choice of Sadlier coming in for James, you lose out on work rate and overall game but he may score.
Lose out on work rate and overall game? Give over. How about we actually play down the left a bit. I’d like to see a bit more variety in our attacking game. So many times we go down the right and end up in blind alleys.
Gomes could consider himself unfortunate to miss out, but I’d bring Coppinger back in for a home game that we need to play on the front foot. And find a way of getting Coppinger and Sadlier on the bell facing the opposition goal. We have some great attacking players but need to use them all effectively.
Would be good to see Cole introduced at some point. Happy with the signing, frustrated that it’s only short term.
If he had been given a 3 yr contract and showed a bad attitude or turned out to be a dud in the goal scoring dept what would the reaction on here be? I think we know the answer to that one.
If he does well between now and May he will get an extended contract. That sounds like very sensible football & business sense to me.
Post by: Jonathan on January 27, 2020, 11:37:02 pm
Yes short term because it’s up to him to prove himself. Is that not a good thing?So it’s a choice of Sadlier coming in for James, you lose out on work rate and overall game but he may score.
Lose out on work rate and overall game? Give over. How about we actually play down the left a bit. I’d like to see a bit more variety in our attacking game. So many times we go down the right and end up in blind alleys.
Gomes could consider himself unfortunate to miss out, but I’d bring Coppinger back in for a home game that we need to play on the front foot. And find a way of getting Coppinger and Sadlier on the bell facing the opposition goal. We have some great attacking players but need to use them all effectively.
Would be good to see Cole introduced at some point. Happy with the signing, frustrated that it’s only short term.
If he had been given a 3 yr contract and showed a bad attitude or turned out to be a dud in the goal scoring dept what would the reaction on here be? I think we know the answer to that one.
If he does well between now and May he will get an extended contract. That sounds like very sensible football & business sense to me.
It depends if he gets that extended contract here or elsewhere. We have left ourselves wide open if we get him up to speed and he does well.
In an ideal world, yes, he’ll prove himself and we will make him a contract offer and he will agree it. If that happens, you’ll get no argument from me that it turned out to be good business.
Post by: NewDonny on January 27, 2020, 11:39:07 pm
Yes short term because it’s up to him to prove himself. Is that not a good thing?So it’s a choice of Sadlier coming in for James, you lose out on work rate and overall game but he may score.
Lose out on work rate and overall game? Give over. How about we actually play down the left a bit. I’d like to see a bit more variety in our attacking game. So many times we go down the right and end up in blind alleys.
Gomes could consider himself unfortunate to miss out, but I’d bring Coppinger back in for a home game that we need to play on the front foot. And find a way of getting Coppinger and Sadlier on the bell facing the opposition goal. We have some great attacking players but need to use them all effectively.
Would be good to see Cole introduced at some point. Happy with the signing, frustrated that it’s only short term.
If he had been given a 3 yr contract and showed a bad attitude or turned out to be a dud in the goal scoring dept what would the reaction on here be? I think we know the answer to that one.
If he does well between now and May he will get an extended contract. That sounds like very sensible football & business sense to me.
That argument works both ways Campsall tbh. Come the end of the season he may well have proved himself and been a great success and suddenly have a number of other clubs sniffing around him and DRFC lose him. Just putting another view on this that's all.
Post by: steve@dcfd on January 27, 2020, 11:47:32 pm
Yes short term because it’s up to him to prove himself. Is that not a good thing?So it’s a choice of Sadlier coming in for James, you lose out on work rate and overall game but he may score.
Lose out on work rate and overall game? Give over. How about we actually play down the left a bit. I’d like to see a bit more variety in our attacking game. So many times we go down the right and end up in blind alleys.
Gomes could consider himself unfortunate to miss out, but I’d bring Coppinger back in for a home game that we need to play on the front foot. And find a way of getting Coppinger and Sadlier on the bell facing the opposition goal. We have some great attacking players but need to use them all effectively.
Would be good to see Cole introduced at some point. Happy with the signing, frustrated that it’s only short term.
If he had been given a 3 yr contract and showed a bad attitude or turned out to be a dud in the goal scoring dept what would the reaction on here be? I think we know the answer to that one.
If he does well between now and May he will get an extended contract. That sounds like very sensible football & business sense to me.
That argument works both ways Campsall tbh. Come the end of the season he may well have proved himself and been a great success and suddenly have a number of other clubs sniffing around him and DRFC lose him. Just putting another view on this that's all.
You are right, same as Sadlier does not agree his contract and walks away at the end f the season. Our medium and long term strategy will have to start in the summer to sign and keep players on competitive wages and contracts if we are going to show progression and also keep the manager.
Post by: Campsall rover on January 27, 2020, 11:52:26 pm
Well thats true of course. But there will be a sound reason for not giving him a longer contract now.Yes short term because it’s up to him to prove himself. Is that not a good thing?So it’s a choice of Sadlier coming in for James, you lose out on work rate and overall game but he may score.
Lose out on work rate and overall game? Give over. How about we actually play down the left a bit. I’d like to see a bit more variety in our attacking game. So many times we go down the right and end up in blind alleys.
Gomes could consider himself unfortunate to miss out, but I’d bring Coppinger back in for a home game that we need to play on the front foot. And find a way of getting Coppinger and Sadlier on the bell facing the opposition goal. We have some great attacking players but need to use them all effectively.
Would be good to see Cole introduced at some point. Happy with the signing, frustrated that it’s only short term.
If he had been given a 3 yr contract and showed a bad attitude or turned out to be a dud in the goal scoring dept what would the reaction on here be? I think we know the answer to that one.
If he does well between now and May he will get an extended contract. That sounds like very sensible football & business sense to me.
That argument works both ways Campsall tbh. Come the end of the season he may well have proved himself and been a great success and suddenly have a number of other clubs sniffing around him and DRFC lose him. Just putting another view on this that's all.
He may get offered a better contract in a matter of weeks of course. If he doesn’t take it then bully for him.
In the summer there will be many players out of contract. We want players who want to come to us and that’s what is important. Character is just as important as ability. One without the other is a waste of time.
I have full trust in DM’s knowledge, man management and decision making.
No one will get it right every time but as long as more is right than wrong then we will be fine.
Post by: Campsall rover on January 27, 2020, 11:53:45 pm
Our salaries will be very competitive for this league.Yes short term because it’s up to him to prove himself. Is that not a good thing?So it’s a choice of Sadlier coming in for James, you lose out on work rate and overall game but he may score.
Lose out on work rate and overall game? Give over. How about we actually play down the left a bit. I’d like to see a bit more variety in our attacking game. So many times we go down the right and end up in blind alleys.
Gomes could consider himself unfortunate to miss out, but I’d bring Coppinger back in for a home game that we need to play on the front foot. And find a way of getting Coppinger and Sadlier on the bell facing the opposition goal. We have some great attacking players but need to use them all effectively.
Would be good to see Cole introduced at some point. Happy with the signing, frustrated that it’s only short term.
If he had been given a 3 yr contract and showed a bad attitude or turned out to be a dud in the goal scoring dept what would the reaction on here be? I think we know the answer to that one.
If he does well between now and May he will get an extended contract. That sounds like very sensible football & business sense to me.
That argument works both ways Campsall tbh. Come the end of the season he may well have proved himself and been a great success and suddenly have a number of other clubs sniffing around him and DRFC lose him. Just putting another view on this that's all.
You are right, same as Sadlier does not agree his contract and walks away at the end f the season. Our medium and long term strategy will have to start in the summer to sign and keep players on competitive wages and contracts if we are going to show progression and also keep the manager.
Post by: steve@dcfd on January 28, 2020, 12:01:01 am
We will see in the summer.Our salaries will be very competitive for this league.Yes short term because it’s up to him to prove himself. Is that not a good thing?So it’s a choice of Sadlier coming in for James, you lose out on work rate and overall game but he may score.
Lose out on work rate and overall game? Give over. How about we actually play down the left a bit. I’d like to see a bit more variety in our attacking game. So many times we go down the right and end up in blind alleys.
Gomes could consider himself unfortunate to miss out, but I’d bring Coppinger back in for a home game that we need to play on the front foot. And find a way of getting Coppinger and Sadlier on the bell facing the opposition goal. We have some great attacking players but need to use them all effectively.
Would be good to see Cole introduced at some point. Happy with the signing, frustrated that it’s only short term.
If he had been given a 3 yr contract and showed a bad attitude or turned out to be a dud in the goal scoring dept what would the reaction on here be? I think we know the answer to that one.
If he does well between now and May he will get an extended contract. That sounds like very sensible football & business sense to me.
That argument works both ways Campsall tbh. Come the end of the season he may well have proved himself and been a great success and suddenly have a number of other clubs sniffing around him and DRFC lose him. Just putting another view on this that's all.
You are right, same as Sadlier does not agree his contract and walks away at the end f the season. Our medium and long term strategy will have to start in the summer to sign and keep players on competitive wages and contracts if we are going to show progression and also keep the manager.
Post by: 5 on Tour on January 28, 2020, 07:41:02 am
As for his contract only being until the end of the season and him proving himself. A number of you seem to misunderstand how contract extensions work. Cole has signed an 18 month deal, that deal runs for 6 months and if WE choose to use up the 12 month extension that is our choice. He has already agreed to it. We file the paperwork and that’s it. No negotiations or talks needed by either party other than us saying well done mate we are extending. So stop stressing out about him being in the shop window.
The player really in that window is Sadlier currently. Top scorer with no contract in 6 months. DM is going to reach a point where he says either sign it or don’t. Can’t see him letting it rumble on much longer.
Formation for me is back to 4-2-3-1(not 4-3-3 as some people think we’ve played all season).
Dieng
Halliday Anderson Wright James
Sheaf Whiteman
Taylor Coppinger Sadlier
Ennis
Cole is a dead cert to come on assuming fully fit. Bingham will replace Sadlier mid way through 2nd half(earlier if winning) as running with a broken nose isn’t great for Oxygen intake. Then either Gomes or Blair to appear dependant on what’s happening.
Post by: Metalmicky on January 28, 2020, 08:21:22 am
I find it strange that a player would agree to play, knowing that he has a move lined up to another club. Surely he's jeopardising that move (which I believe he negotiated himself) by playing tonight - how committed is he going to be...?
Post by: Paul Simpson on January 28, 2020, 08:30:33 am
Post by: drfchound on January 28, 2020, 08:38:11 am
Isn’t Bingham injured ?
Best ask 5 on tour.......he seems to know everything.
Post by: RoversAlias on January 28, 2020, 08:44:29 am
I wouldn't start Sadlier purely because I think Gomes had a great game on Friday and we have Copps to bring in if we want to restore attacking impetus to the midfield. Sads suffered a nasty knock so let's bring him on in the second half if we need to. Copps for John or James and otherwise as you were. Sadlier and Cole to come on would be no bad thing to keep up our sleeve.
Post by: drfchound on January 28, 2020, 08:46:18 am
Taylor has to start for me against Sunderland yes he was wasteful but half time there was no one in the area to cross to
Ah but that is because at half time all the players were in the dressing room. 🤔😉
Post by: Alan Southstand on January 28, 2020, 08:54:39 am
It’s not the manager’s style to drop someone straight into the firing line, we’ll, not so far, anyway.
It’s going to be dependant on who is the fittest, as to who plays where, but I can see James reverting to his normal left back berth. Unfortunate for John, but how can you split the brick wall that is Anderson/Wright?
Middle 2 would normally be a gimme, but question marks over how fit BW is, after his knock on Friday night.
Then the 3? I think Sadlier comes back in, otherwise leave we’ll alone. Gomes has earned his place, for me.
So that leaves Ennis up top, with Cole ready to be introduced later.
Post by: Donnywolf on January 28, 2020, 09:06:18 am
Taylor has to start for me against Sunderland yes he was wasteful but half time there was no one in the area to cross to
Ah but that is because at half time all the players were in the dressing room. 🤔😉
Not the Subs ?
Post by: drfchound on January 28, 2020, 09:23:06 am
Taylor has to start for me against Sunderland yes he was wasteful but half time there was no one in the area to cross to
Ah but that is because at half time all the players were in the dressing room. 🤔😉
Not the Subs ?
Good question wolfie.
I don’t know coz I wasn’t able to go but in the last couple of home games I have noticed that the subs haven’t been out at half time.
Post by: IDM on January 28, 2020, 09:26:36 am
Sadlier I would ease back in after a broken nose and concussion, and Cole on the bench too with the expectation of some game time later on.
According to DM on RS yesterday, there are no other injuries so Whiteman should be ok..
Post by: big fat yorkshire pudding on January 28, 2020, 09:39:24 am
It would be harsh to drop Gomez imo so he should keep his place over Copps for me.
Post by: DonnyBazR0ver on January 28, 2020, 09:46:55 am
We could do with Copps back at full flow to help us unlock the door and maybe tonight, just the name Southend might trigger something in him.
Post by: 5 on Tour on January 28, 2020, 10:46:11 am
Isn’t Bingham injured ?
Best ask 5 on tour.......he seems to know everything.
IF he’s still injured he won’t come on or be in the squad. Not sure what you’ve got your knickers in a twist about?
Post by: 5 on Tour on January 28, 2020, 10:48:51 am
Is it available to watch on ifollow this one?
It would be harsh to drop Gomez imo so he should keep his place over Copps for me.
It should be mate. It does seem a bit hit and miss though. Last season even on a Tuesday night it was giving a message about restricted viewing rights for UK viewers. Some people got around it by creating a fresh account and then it let them watch.
Post by: IDM on January 28, 2020, 10:56:18 am
Post by: Lifelong supporter on January 28, 2020, 11:17:17 am
I would expect Cole to be coming on in the second half(unless someone gets injured) rather than going straight in.
As for his contract only being until the end of the season and him proving himself. A number of you seem to misunderstand how contract extensions work. Cole has signed an 18 month deal, that deal runs for 6 months and if WE choose to use up the 12 month extension that is our choice. He has already agreed to it. We file the paperwork and that’s it. No negotiations or talks needed by either party other than us saying well done mate we are extending. So stop stressing out about him being in the shop window.
The player really in that window is Sadlier currently. Top scorer with no contract in 6 months. DM is going to reach a point where he says either sign it or don’t. Can’t see him letting it rumble on much longer.
Formation for me is back to 4-2-3-1(not 4-3-3 as some people think we’ve played all season).
Dieng
Halliday Anderson Wright James
Sheaf Whiteman
Taylor Coppinger Sadlier
Ennis
Cole is a dead cert to come on assuming fully fit. Bingham will replace Sadlier mid way through 2nd half(earlier if winning) as running with a broken nose isn’t great for Oxygen intake. Then either Gomes or Blair to appear dependant on what’s happening.
Back to 4-2-3-1.
Not sure we're going back to it, because we never left it.
That was the formation we played at Sunderland.
Post by: 5 on Tour on January 28, 2020, 11:27:24 am
I would expect Cole to be coming on in the second half(unless someone gets injured) rather than going straight in.
As for his contract only being until the end of the season and him proving himself. A number of you seem to misunderstand how contract extensions work. Cole has signed an 18 month deal, that deal runs for 6 months and if WE choose to use up the 12 month extension that is our choice. He has already agreed to it. We file the paperwork and that’s it. No negotiations or talks needed by either party other than us saying well done mate we are extending. So stop stressing out about him being in the shop window.
The player really in that window is Sadlier currently. Top scorer with no contract in 6 months. DM is going to reach a point where he says either sign it or don’t. Can’t see him letting it rumble on much longer.
Formation for me is back to 4-2-3-1(not 4-3-3 as some people think we’ve played all season).
Dieng
Halliday Anderson Wright James
Sheaf Whiteman
Taylor Coppinger Sadlier
Ennis
Cole is a dead cert to come on assuming fully fit. Bingham will replace Sadlier mid way through 2nd half(earlier if winning) as running with a broken nose isn’t great for Oxygen intake. Then either Gomes or Blair to appear dependant on what’s happening.
Back to 4-2-3-1.
Not sure we're going back to it, because we never left it.
That was the formation we played at Sunderland.
Against Sunderland we seemed to be splitting the formation for me. 4-2-3-1 when we had it but when Sunderland had it we seemed to end up more like 3-4-2-1 with John stepping in to the 3 and Halliday and James sitting outside the 2 Ben’s. Both managers talked about the change in our formation from the first game over Xmas. Not seen us do it before that game this season - I assume it was just to combat the midfield heavy formation from Sunderland as they seem to end up with 6 in there a lot of the time.
Post by: drfchound on January 28, 2020, 11:36:12 am
I would expect Cole to be coming on in the second half(unless someone gets injured) rather than going straight in.
As for his contract only being until the end of the season and him proving himself. A number of you seem to misunderstand how contract extensions work. Cole has signed an 18 month deal, that deal runs for 6 months and if WE choose to use up the 12 month extension that is our choice. He has already agreed to it. We file the paperwork and that’s it. No negotiations or talks needed by either party other than us saying well done mate we are extending. So stop stressing out about him being in the shop window.
The player really in that window is Sadlier currently. Top scorer with no contract in 6 months. DM is going to reach a point where he says either sign it or don’t. Can’t see him letting it rumble on much longer.
Formation for me is back to 4-2-3-1(not 4-3-3 as some people think we’ve played all season).
Dieng
Halliday Anderson Wright James
Sheaf Whiteman
Taylor Coppinger Sadlier
Ennis
Cole is a dead cert to come on assuming fully fit. Bingham will replace Sadlier mid way through 2nd half(earlier if winning) as running with a broken nose isn’t great for Oxygen intake. Then either Gomes or Blair to appear dependant on what’s happening.
Back to 4-2-3-1.
Not sure we're going back to it, because we never left it.
That was the formation we played at Sunderland.
I think that we played two formations at Sunderland, switching from a back four to a back three with wing backs.
It was good to see us doing it and counteracting the Sunderland game plan.
Post by: Campsall rover on January 28, 2020, 11:42:55 am
The full backs push on when we have possession in the opposition half so the formation is always going to look different when we have the ball in offensive situations.
But James played left side in the 3 against Sunderland with John in the left back slot in a 4 at the back with Gomes in the middle of the 3 attacking positions as in Copps usual position.
Think James will probably go into the left back slot assuming Sadlier is fit, & John will give way. If not then I don’t see any change being made tonight unless Copps starts and then Gomes will have to give way. One of those 2 starts and one on the bench. Would be surprised if both were to start.
Ennis to start and Cole on the bench is the likely scenario up front.
Any way we know nothing and as i keep saying DM will know what he thinks is best and am happy to go with whatever that is.
Post by: Campsall rover on January 28, 2020, 11:45:42 am
We didn’t hound i promise you. Cameron John played at left back throughout the match. We had a constant back four.I would expect Cole to be coming on in the second half(unless someone gets injured) rather than going straight in.
As for his contract only being until the end of the season and him proving himself. A number of you seem to misunderstand how contract extensions work. Cole has signed an 18 month deal, that deal runs for 6 months and if WE choose to use up the 12 month extension that is our choice. He has already agreed to it. We file the paperwork and that’s it. No negotiations or talks needed by either party other than us saying well done mate we are extending. So stop stressing out about him being in the shop window.
The player really in that window is Sadlier currently. Top scorer with no contract in 6 months. DM is going to reach a point where he says either sign it or don’t. Can’t see him letting it rumble on much longer.
Formation for me is back to 4-2-3-1(not 4-3-3 as some people think we’ve played all season).
Dieng
Halliday Anderson Wright James
Sheaf Whiteman
Taylor Coppinger Sadlier
Ennis
Cole is a dead cert to come on assuming fully fit. Bingham will replace Sadlier mid way through 2nd half(earlier if winning) as running with a broken nose isn’t great for Oxygen intake. Then either Gomes or Blair to appear dependant on what’s happening.
Back to 4-2-3-1.
Not sure we're going back to it, because we never left it.
That was the formation we played at Sunderland.
I think that we played two formations at Sunderland, switching from a back four to a back three with wing backs.
It was good to see us doing it and counteracting the Sunderland game plan.
Post by: drfchound on January 28, 2020, 11:47:06 am
We didn’t hound i promise you. Cameron John played at left back throughout the match. We had a constant back four.I would expect Cole to be coming on in the second half(unless someone gets injured) rather than going straight in.
As for his contract only being until the end of the season and him proving himself. A number of you seem to misunderstand how contract extensions work. Cole has signed an 18 month deal, that deal runs for 6 months and if WE choose to use up the 12 month extension that is our choice. He has already agreed to it. We file the paperwork and that’s it. No negotiations or talks needed by either party other than us saying well done mate we are extending. So stop stressing out about him being in the shop window.
The player really in that window is Sadlier currently. Top scorer with no contract in 6 months. DM is going to reach a point where he says either sign it or don’t. Can’t see him letting it rumble on much longer.
Formation for me is back to 4-2-3-1(not 4-3-3 as some people think we’ve played all season).
Dieng
Halliday Anderson Wright James
Sheaf Whiteman
Taylor Coppinger Sadlier
Ennis
Cole is a dead cert to come on assuming fully fit. Bingham will replace Sadlier mid way through 2nd half(earlier if winning) as running with a broken nose isn’t great for Oxygen intake. Then either Gomes or Blair to appear dependant on what’s happening.
Back to 4-2-3-1.
Not sure we're going back to it, because we never left it.
That was the formation we played at Sunderland.
I think that we played two formations at Sunderland, switching from a back four to a back three with wing backs.
It was good to see us doing it and counteracting the Sunderland game plan.
I’m not getting into a debate about this but it isn’t only me who saw us switching during the game.
Post by: 5 on Tour on January 28, 2020, 11:47:34 am
Post by: Metalmicky on January 28, 2020, 11:50:44 am
Post by: drfchound on January 28, 2020, 11:51:33 am
DM might try that 2-7-2 formation of Motta. Dieng in midfield. 👍
Ha, I like that.
It could work 😉 seeing as how Dieng used to be a midfielder before becoming a keeper.
Post by: drfchound on January 28, 2020, 11:52:01 am
I'm not sure I care what exact 'formation' we play - surely it is an ever evolving situation - players aren't restricted to zones...
Bang on MM.
Post by: Campsall rover on January 28, 2020, 11:52:43 am
A great problem to have but .......Why change something that works? Defensively we are sound so it would be madness imo to change something the players are very comfortable playing.
The defence speaks for itself with just a debate over John or James at LB
Now fit the rest into the team.
Do we stick with the same 4 2 3 1 formation or do we now change, if we change then to what?
Who and how would you play on Tuesday?
DM is not going to change his initials to DF. Well i certainly hope he won’t be.
I think he likes the system we currently play and it is imo the best one with the players we have.
Post by: Campsall rover on January 28, 2020, 12:04:25 pm
I'm not sure I care what exact 'formation' we play - surely it is an ever evolving situation - players aren't restricted to zones...Of course that is correct. Any formation has to have some fluidity.
The best example of that was SOD’s team.
This one is becoming similar not at that level yet but definitely getting towards that. Let’s just say we are work in progress.
Next season which ever division we are in i predict is going to be very enjoyable & exciting.
With the right additions in the summer we will be a “proper” team. Deing & Sheaf would be massive signings for us if we could get them both.
Within reason of course, whatever they cost will be money well spent.
Post by: 5 on Tour on January 28, 2020, 12:13:52 pm
DM might try that 2-7-2 formation of Motta. Dieng in midfield. 👍
Ha, I like that.
It could work 😉 seeing as how Dieng used to be a midfielder before becoming a keeper.
Hasn’t he tried it and they were 3-0 after 20 minutes or something similar. Don’t think it will be a lasting style.
Post by: IDM on January 28, 2020, 12:25:28 pm
Post by: Reesielad on January 28, 2020, 12:25:32 pm
DM might try that 2-7-2 formation of Motta. Dieng in midfield.
Ha, I like that.
It could workseeing as how Dieng used to be a midfielder before becoming a keeper.
Hasn’t he tried it and they were 3-0 after 20 minutes or something similar. Don’t think it will be a lasting style.
All jokes aside, if you have a spare 5 mins give this a watch. Pretty insightful and talks about the use of inviting the press and having a goalkeeper who is comfortable with the ball.
https://youtu.be/GX8VoEw6Vxk
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Post by: 5 on Tour on January 28, 2020, 12:46:07 pm
DM might try that 2-7-2 formation of Motta. Dieng in midfield.
Ha, I like that.
It could work
Hasn’t he tried it and they were 3-0 after 20 minutes or something similar. Don’t think it will be a lasting style.
All jokes aside, if you have a spare 5 mins give this a watch. Pretty insightful and talks about the use of inviting the press and having a goalkeeper who is comfortable with the ball.
https://youtu.be/GX8VoEw6Vxk
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That’s a really good video. Explains a lot.
Post by: Filo on January 28, 2020, 12:52:38 pm
I'm not sure I care what exact 'formation' we play - surely it is an ever evolving situation - players aren't restricted to zones...
Ajax, total football 🤪
Post by: Reesielad on January 28, 2020, 12:53:40 pm
DM might try that 2-7-2 formation of Motta. Dieng in midfield.
Ha, I like that.
It could work
Hasn’t he tried it and they were 3-0 after 20 minutes or something similar. Don’t think it will be a lasting style.
All jokes aside, if you have a spare 5 mins give this a watch. Pretty insightful and talks about the use of inviting the press and having a goalkeeper who is comfortable with the ball.
https://youtu.be/GX8VoEw6Vxk
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That’s a really good video. Explains a lot.
People that are unsure should watch it, when it’s talking about the GK part and inviting the press it says about the two CB pushing out wide, the CM dropping back and the wing backs pushing forward to receive the ball, our game plan most games and should answer a few questions when people wonder why we’re inviting the oppo on to us.
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Post by: Metalmicky on January 28, 2020, 01:16:10 pm
Quote
People that are unsure should watch it, when it’s talking about the GK part and inviting the press it says about the two CB pushing out wide, the CM dropping back and the wing backs pushing forward to receive the ball, our game plan most games and should answer a few questions when people wonder why we’re inviting the oppo on to us.
However, the gerrit forrad brigade probably aren't subscribers to total football....
Post by: Cameron Rowe on January 28, 2020, 01:44:19 pm
2 halliday
3 james
4 wright
5 anderson
6whiteman
7sheaf
8taylor
9watters
10copps
11ennis
Id go with that team sadlier will be on bench i think. Also cole will probably come on in the second half depending on the score.
Post by: IDM on January 28, 2020, 01:48:13 pm
Post by: Retdon1 on January 28, 2020, 01:56:51 pm
Post by: IDM on January 28, 2020, 02:09:19 pm
Post by: Retdon1 on January 28, 2020, 03:54:56 pm
Gomes can play as a forward minded midfielder.
Not very well though in the games I've seen him play further forward
Post by: Bristol Red Rover on January 28, 2020, 03:58:50 pm
Halliday Anderson Wright James
Sheaf Whiteman
Taylor Copps Gomes
Ennis
Bench
Jones Amos Watters Sadlier Cole Blair John
Bring Sadlier on for Copps/Gomes after 60 mins
Bring Cole on for Copps/Gomes after 75 mins and play 4 4 2, see how Cole and Ennis can play together up front - this could be a fantastic partnership!
Post by: IDM on January 28, 2020, 04:07:40 pm
Gomes can play as a forward minded midfielder.
Not very well though in the games I've seen him play further forward
Didn’t do too bad getting more advanced on Friday last.!
Post by: Retdon1 on January 28, 2020, 04:15:15 pm
Gomes can play as a forward minded midfielder.
Not very well though in the games I've seen him play further forward
Didn’t do too bad getting more advanced on Friday last.!
He didn’t create anything though or have any chances, which as an attacking midfielder you need to do
Post by: IDM on January 28, 2020, 04:18:55 pm
Post by: Retdon1 on January 28, 2020, 04:33:15 pm
He played very well, and he also had our only shot on target.
I’m not saying he’s not improved a lot since being played centrally, I just think for tonight’s game, Copps would be a better choice in the attacking midfield role
Post by: IDM on January 28, 2020, 04:37:15 pm
Post by: Retdon1 on January 28, 2020, 04:46:43 pm
I don’t disagree and Copps should start IMHO, alongside Taylor and Gomes.
Would u have Copps or Gomez out wide ?
Post by: drfchound on January 28, 2020, 04:47:17 pm
QuotePeople that are unsure should watch it, when it’s talking about the GK part and inviting the press it says about the two CB pushing out wide, the CM dropping back and the wing backs pushing forward to receive the ball, our game plan most games and should answer a few questions when people wonder why we’re inviting the oppo on to us.
However, the gerrit forrad brigade probably aren't subscribers to total football....
........or have five minutes spare to watch a video.
They would just put it on fast forward.
Post by: IDM on January 28, 2020, 04:53:03 pm
I don’t disagree and Copps should start IMHO, alongside Taylor and Gomes.
Would u have Copps or Gomez out wide ?
Copps - he’s good enough to switch between either side..
What I like about the team is the flexibility with formation and positions..
Post by: donnievic on January 28, 2020, 04:56:28 pm
Post by: sha66y on January 28, 2020, 04:57:27 pm
Wright. Anderson. John
Halliday. James
Whiteman
Sadlier. Copps. Taylor
Ennis
Gomez
Cole
Watters
Jones
Blair
Bingham
Sheaf
Post by: IDM on January 28, 2020, 05:03:17 pm
Post by: anton123 on January 28, 2020, 05:18:34 pm
Post by: Campsall rover on January 28, 2020, 05:22:36 pm
DiengYour opinion but why change system. Crazy.
Wright. Anderson. John
Halliday. James
Whiteman
Sadlier. Copps. Taylor
Ennis
Gomez
Cole
Watters
Jones
Blair
Bingham
Sheaf
Post by: anton123 on January 28, 2020, 05:25:54 pm
Post by: sha66y on January 28, 2020, 05:47:42 pm
DiengYour opinion but why change system. Crazy.
Wright. Anderson. John
Halliday. James
Whiteman
Sadlier. Copps. Taylor
Ennis
Gomez
Cole
Watters
Jones
Blair
Bingham
Sheaf
Why not?
and where do you think it’s not gonna work....?
I see it as well balanced and full on attacking as it should be at home against a poor team...
It’s only an opinion .....so to say it’s crazy is only your opinion which is also crazy!
Post by: NickDRFC on January 28, 2020, 05:55:35 pm
DiengYour opinion but why change system. Crazy.
Wright. Anderson. John
Halliday. James
Whiteman
Sadlier. Copps. Taylor
Ennis
Gomez
Cole
Watters
Jones
Blair
Bingham
Sheaf
Why not?
and where do you think it’s not gonna work....?
I see it as well balanced and full on attacking as it should be at home against a poor team...
It’s only an opinion .....so to say it’s crazy is only your opinion which is also crazy!
You’re essentially saying that we should change our normal system by dropping one of our pivot two back to a third centre back (Sheaf for John). Why would this be any more “full on attacking” than our usual system? You might say it gives the full backs more licence to get forward but they have plenty of that anyway. Anderson and Wright have been extremely comfortable playing as a pair with the shield of Whiteman and Sheaf ahead of them, I don’t think we should bring in a system that several of the team might not be comfortable with.
Post by: Cameron Rowe on January 28, 2020, 05:59:30 pm
Post by: i_ateallthepies on January 28, 2020, 06:19:13 pm
Post by: Campsall rover on January 28, 2020, 06:21:38 pm
My opinion indeed. But it’s madness imo to change a system that works. Don’t need to re invent the wheel.DiengYour opinion but why change system. Crazy.
Wright. Anderson. John
Halliday. James
Whiteman
Sadlier. Copps. Taylor
Ennis
Gomez
Cole
Watters
Jones
Blair
Bingham
Sheaf
Why not?
and where do you think it’s not gonna work....?
I see it as well balanced and full on attacking as it should be at home against a poor team...
It’s only an opinion .....so to say it’s crazy is only your opinion which is also crazy!
We had enough of that with DF.
You might think differently.
Post by: Campsall rover on January 28, 2020, 06:22:22 pm
Post by: besty on January 28, 2020, 06:40:48 pm
Post by: Reesielad on January 28, 2020, 06:46:19 pm
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Post by: dickos1 on January 28, 2020, 06:49:13 pm
Back four has been incredible recently, why change that
Post by: Retdon1 on January 28, 2020, 06:49:42 pm
Post by: dickos1 on January 28, 2020, 06:53:37 pm
Post by: NickDRFC on January 28, 2020, 06:55:11 pm
Makes you think we may have contract guarantees regarding John
I doubt it. Wright’s played a lot more football recently than he has in a long time, I’m sure he’s just being given the night off. We are lucky to have a player as good as John to come in.
Post by: DonnyBazR0ver on January 28, 2020, 06:55:46 pm
Makes you think we may have contract guarantees regarding John
Trust you to come up with that one!
Post by: 5 on Tour on January 28, 2020, 06:58:50 pm
Post by: andyst79 on January 28, 2020, 06:59:01 pm
Post by: sedwardsdrfc on January 28, 2020, 07:19:50 pm
Post by: bpoolrover on January 28, 2020, 07:22:23 pm
Post by: Chris Black come back on January 28, 2020, 07:24:09 pm
Post by: Bristol Red Rover on January 28, 2020, 07:44:03 pm
Post by: dickos1 on January 28, 2020, 08:17:06 pm
We just seem to be shoe horning John I’m whenever he’s fit
We played him left back and dropped James other week, possibly our best player of the season so far
Just seems odd
Post by: 5 on Tour on January 28, 2020, 08:41:06 pm
Post by: big fat yorkshire pudding on January 28, 2020, 08:43:18 pm
Post by: 5 on Tour on January 28, 2020, 08:47:57 pm
Same old, sth counted... I'm in my living room at home.
Well my right leg is in a cast after rupturing my achilles(again) on Saturday afternoon so I’m at home as well. So that’s 5 STH not at the ground just from my house.
Post by: RoversAlias on January 28, 2020, 08:55:09 pm
Post by: sedwardsdrfc on January 28, 2020, 09:05:04 pm
If not as Dickos says it’s a bit strange we want to look for places to fit him in when our defence is our strongest area and in no need of change. It’s no comment in his ability obviously he’s decent
Post by: dickos1 on January 28, 2020, 09:49:42 pm
Makes you think we may have contract guarantees regarding John
Trust you to come up with that one!
🙄
Post by: Jonathan on January 28, 2020, 11:08:43 pm
It was evident early on that Ennis was back towards his best and that always helps the way we play. He looked a yard quicker than recent games, put himself about and took his goal very well.
Been calling out for us to use the left side of the pitch more when we’re attacking and it was clear that we did that tonight. It worked too, both Sadlier and James had very good games. James got forward a lot and seemed to enjoy it. Sadlier was always a threat cutting in and linking the play and took his two goals brilliantly. Great delivery from Taylor for the third and an excellent header.
Good to get the win. Now back to the transfer market and hopefully we’ll head into the weekend (and the rest of the season) with a stronger squad.
Post by: Campsall rover on January 28, 2020, 11:09:30 pm
Thought Cameron John was excellent tonight. So much more comfortable at centre back. His pace and reading of the game got us out of a hole on a couple of occasions.Makes you think we may have contract guarantees regarding John
Trust you to come up with that one!
Difficult to name a man of match. Just a solid good all round team performance from everyone.
Both full backs played well and good to see Sadlier find his best form again. 2 goals won’t do his confidence any harm and likewise Ennis scoring a very good goal was great for him.
Post by: Alan Southstand on January 28, 2020, 11:30:22 pm
A performance that didn’t get out of first gear and yet, was far too good for Southend. My goodness, but Sol has got one hell of a job on, there. How did they beat Accrington?
3-0 up and we revert to sloppy play all over the pitch. Probably as a result of our efforts at Sunderland.
Focus, focus, focus.
Still a couple of signings away from being a serious threat imho.
Post by: DonnyBazR0ver on January 29, 2020, 10:14:11 am
Just as we've seen from Sadlier, getting into the centre forwards position to head in, if all three have got the capability to play wide as well as central, by interchanging it's getting towards the total fluid football that defences can't cope with.
Of course it will take time as they need to get to know each others game better but I'm sure DM can get them working in the right direction.
Ennis, Cole and Sadlier could be the three that operate that system. For additional width we've got James and Halliday who are getting better all the time.