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Viking Chat => Off Topic => Topic started by: selby on November 17, 2020, 06:51:45 pm
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Reinstated back into the fold, let battle begin.
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Reinstated back into the fold, let battle begin.
Has Starmer lost the plot.
Corbyn still has not said sorry yet. Not actually said the word or even said he could have done more.
Think this is really bad for a resurgence of the Labour Party.
What on earth is Starmer thinking doing this. It is madness imo.
The press will have a field day.
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It’s good to know that at least one of our two major political parties are not complete laughing stocks.
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Reinstated back into the fold, let battle begin.
They'll be no battle Selby , the party is back in Centre control , the Centre have the control in NEC and the polls are favourable .
Starmer's already shown he won't tolerate any nonsense in the party .
A sniff of power tends to put bonfires out in the Labour Party .
Saying that it will be interesting to see how Labour go with the Brexit situation about to come to a head .
Going to have to come out to play on this one Starmer , the former Red Wall will of course be paying keen attention .
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Reinstated back into the fold, let battle begin.
They'll be no battle Selby , the party is back in Centre control , the Centre have the control in NEC and the polls are favourable .
Starmer's already shown he won't tolerate any nonsense in the party .
A sniff of power tends to put bonfires out in the Labour Party .
Saying that it will be interesting to see how Labour go with the Brexit situation about to come to a head .
Going to have to come out to play on this one Starmer , the former Red Wall will of course be paying keen attention .
I think you're being overly optimistic Tyke. Jon Craig of Sky News, a very neutral and independent reporter, has just said that civil war is about to break out in the Labour Party.
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Not much interest in this thread ?
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Maybe folks are waiting to see the outcome.?
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That could be years though mate.
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The Labour Party as we used to know it in this area has not got years Hound.
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Not much interest in this thread ?
Wrong agenda for most...
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Reinstated back into the fold, let battle begin.
Has Starmer lost the plot.
Corbyn still has not said sorry yet. Not actually said the word or even said he could have done more.
Think this is really bad for a resurgence of the Labour Party.
What on earth is Starmer thinking doing this. It is madness imo.
The press will have a field day.
As far as I know CR it isnt SKS who has done anything
My immediate reaction is what is Starmer doing but as it turned out some Panel consisting of NEC Members did the jusging and they recommended reinstatement - so SKS hasnt done anything
Difficult though because now he has another decision to make
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This will prove absolutely disastrous for Labour.
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I was going to agree but maybe the time to sort this issue and "fallout" from it and any voter negatives would be now when we are years from the next GE
Also I can remember the Candidates for the Prime Ministers job (when Johnson won) all committed to launch an Islamaphobia enquiry as that had apparanlty "dogged" their Party - and yet I have not seen any follow up. It may have been missed by me due to the pandemic or B****t but surely that too would be disastrous for them if that came out when they were actually in power
There is no difference imo in Anti Semitism and Islamaphobia - they are both plain wrong and I think the only difference is the Media "outed" Corbyn and dug and dug into this story and managed to make it a "mess" for Labour in the eyes of the public (and I do AGREE it is an issue that is repulsive)
That same media has not been as fastidious (or even bothered) in digging and digging into the allegations (because that is all we can say it is until we have evidence via investigation) of Ismamaphobia. True the current PM has used phrases on Camera and elsewhere that will be well known to Forum users but we the public should know whether or not it is a Party wide thing
At that point I would have said if it was proven true it would be absolutely disastrous for a "sitting Government" but I dont think it would be.
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Have any members of the conservative party ever been known to hold racist views wolfie :)
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Antisemitism is more deeply rooted in the Labour Party than anyone will admit.
Driven by local membership in predominately Muslim membership in the big urban areas who dominate local councils in those areas mostly in the large cities and are drawn to the Labour party because of their historical stance on benefits for large unemployed families. and because of their herd like voting powers can gain traction in local councils and committees.
Nobody publicises the fact that they have now become a big power faction within the party, but have become at the same time a big reason for the desertion of labours traditional supporters in the North of England some who share the constituencies they are most prevalent in, hence the now clear difference in the results of local elections and national elections in some of those areas.
A case could be made out for Labour to be the most racial political party in Britain, not only are they antisemitic but are in some cases anti white British
At least these discussions have given the party the option of burying the news about Lord Ahmed of Rotherham.
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If the Tory party was a house in the TV programme "Homes Under The Hammer", they'd renovate it. If it was a Labour party house they'd demolish it and start again.
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you did vote labour selby during that period you used to tell us about it.
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Selby do you have any ethnic breakdown of councillors in the Uk, or just England? And if so, can you provide it?
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Selby, care to offer any proof behind your opinions.?
Also, SKS has said today that Corbyn is not returning as an MP.
Corbyn will be forgotten by the next GE, Johnson’s circus clown antics won’t.
Apologies to any circus performers offended by the comparison to our current PM.
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There you go, I knew it would get it going with the heads in sand and arses up brigade.
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If the Tory party was a house in the TV programme "Homes Under The Hammer", they'd renovate it. If it was a Labour party house they'd demolish it and start again.
If the Tory party was a house there would be a blue plaque denoting that integrity used to live here, before the 21st century.
Don’t you think Starmer is rebuilding labour.?
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There you go, I knew it would get it going with the heads in sand and arses up brigade.
Care to engage in a sensible debate.?
No, thought not.
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IDM, he may not be an MP under the Labour Party's banner but he will still be the MP for the constituency he was voted in to represent SKS as you refer to is not god.
Being a good socialist I expect he will still want to draw his payments and pension rights until the last moment possible. Don't forget a good socialist is a good socialist until someone else's money runs out.
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Corbyn has been outed publicly and denounced by Starmer. What do you think he should do, chop his Jacobs off.?
Anyway, I expect that Starmer will without doubt clean up the Labour Party and will be a very credible choice as the next PM.
He has more integrity in his little finger than liar Johnson.
Do you really think the voters will forget the fiasco of this government next time around.?
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Selby, can you address the issue you started and provide figures for your statement?
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Starmer has not restored the Whip to Corbyn, that kind of pisses on your bonfire Selby
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IDM, he may not be an MP under the Labour Party's banner but he will still be the MP for the constituency he was voted in to represent SKS as you refer to is not god.
Being a good socialist I expect he will still want to draw his payments and pension rights until the last moment possible. Don't forget a good socialist is a good socialist until someone else's money runs out.
Corbyn was voted in to represent his constituents as all MPs are, nobody else.
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Both the main parties are in my humble opinion are J Arthur. We need a new party to stand up for the rights of normal working people. Something not in the pay of big business or taken over by the PC cult.
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Agree 100% - plus a fairer Electoral system.
With the latter we MIGHT (no guarantees of course) get that fairer Party / Government or back to the Govt of the people by the people and for the people.
That ideal would do me just great as Party politics is s*****d over here now and forever possibly,
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Selby, can you address the issue you started and provide figures for your statement?
Arseholes being WUMs don't do that kind of thing.
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Wow. I've just read an article from the Independent that shows a party embroiled in total war.
From what I can gather, there are 3 factions at each other; the Starmer supporters who think both his decisions on Corbin were correct; the Jewish MPs and their supporters who don't think Corbin should have been reinstated to the party; and the left who want the whip restored to him.
What a bloody mess. Starmer's got his work cut out with all this.
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Total war.?
Or just some individuals holding different opinions..?
Four years is a long time to prepare for the next GE, that is, assuming this government lasts full term..
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Wow. I've just read an article from the Independent that shows a party embroiled in total war.
From what I can gather, there are 3 factions at each other; the Starmer supporters who think both his decisions on Corbin were correct; the Jewish MPs and their supporters who don't think Corbin should have been reinstated to the party; and the left who want the whip restored to him.
What a bloody mess. Starmer's got his work cut out with all this.
And on the other hand there is a Tory MP being investigated for serious sexual allegations, and he’s not even been suspended from the party, and no Tory fanboy bats an eyelid
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Total war.?
Or just some individuals holding different opinions..?
Four years is a long time to prepare for the next GE, that is, assuming this government lasts full term..
Two things IDM. Firstly, that article's not from me, it's from the Independent. Secondly, how can this government not last full term, with an 80 seat majority?
Although, I very much doubt that Johnson will last as leader for the full term.
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Wow. I've just read an article from the Independent that shows a party embroiled in total war.
From what I can gather, there are 3 factions at each other; the Starmer supporters who think both his decisions on Corbin were correct; the Jewish MPs and their supporters who don't think Corbin should have been reinstated to the party; and the left who want the whip restored to him.
What a bloody mess. Starmer's got his work cut out with all this.
And on the other hand there is a Tory MP being investigated for serious sexual allegations, and he’s not even been suspended from the party, and no Tory fanboy bats an eyelid
I've no idea what a Tory fanboy is Filo, seeing as I've never voted Tory in my life, and never would.
I also don't see what your comment has to do with the Labour Party having internal warfare at the moment.
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Wow. I've just read an article from the Independent that shows a party embroiled in total war.
From what I can gather, there are 3 factions at each other; the Starmer supporters who think both his decisions on Corbin were correct; the Jewish MPs and their supporters who don't think Corbin should have been reinstated to the party; and the left who want the whip restored to him.
What a bloody mess. Starmer's got his work cut out with all this.
And on the other hand there is a Tory MP being investigated for serious sexual allegations, and he’s not even been suspended from the party, and no Tory fanboy bats an eyelid
Would that be the Tory hard-Brexit rentagob who was never off the tv regarding Brexit but has been uncharacteristically silent for the past six months?
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Let’s deflect attention away from the thread subject then.
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Let’s deflect attention away from the thread subject then.
Following in your esteemed footsteps of whataboutery
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Wow. I've just read an article from the Independent that shows a party embroiled in total war.
From what I can gather, there are 3 factions at each other; the Starmer supporters who think both his decisions on Corbin were correct; the Jewish MPs and their supporters who don't think Corbin should have been reinstated to the party; and the left who want the whip restored to him.
What a bloody mess. Starmer's got his work cut out with all this.
And on the other hand there is a Tory MP being investigated for serious sexual allegations, and he’s not even been suspended from the party, and no Tory fanboy bats an eyelid
Would that be the Tory hard-Brexit rentagob who was never off the tv regarding Brexit but has been uncharacteristically silent for the past six months?
Allegedly
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Let’s deflect attention away from the thread subject then.
Following in your esteemed footsteps of whataboutery
I will take that as a compliment, thank you.
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At least these discussions have given the party the option of burying the news about Lord Ahmed of Rotherham.
Who left the Labour Party in 2013.
They also appear to have overshadowed the formal complaint made against the Tory MP Michael Fabricant for his remarks today. Which must be why you missed it.
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If the Tory party was a house in the TV programme "Homes Under The Hammer", they'd renovate it. If it was a Labour party house they'd demolish it and start again.
If the Tory party was a house there would be a blue plaque denoting that integrity used to live here, before the 21st century.
Don’t you think Starmer is rebuilding labour.?
I think Starmer's fighting a losing battle. I think Labour voters are far too diverse in their opinions for him to represent a big enough chunk of them to fully support him in his attempts to grab the party by the b*llocks. I think there's even proof of that with the handful of Labour supporters who are regularly active on this forum. If they aren't arguing with non-Labour supporters they are arguing among themselves.
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Both the main parties are in my humble opinion are J Arthur. We need a new party to stand up for the rights of normal working people. Something not in the pay of big business or taken over by the PC cult.
Over 400 registered political parties in the UK but yeah let's add another. Surely the problems the system if at an election only 2 parties ever have a chance.
I personally feel like there's already mainstream parties that look out for the normal working people, but what do you think a new party should be doing and what policies should they promote?
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If the Tory party was a house in the TV programme "Homes Under The Hammer", they'd renovate it. If it was a Labour party house they'd demolish it and start again.
If the Tory party was a house there would be a blue plaque denoting that integrity used to live here, before the 21st century.
Don’t you think Starmer is rebuilding labour.?
I think Starmer's fighting a losing battle. I think Labour voters are far too diverse in their opinions for him to represent a big enough chunk of them to fully support him in his attempts to grab the party by the b*llocks. I think there's even proof of that with the handful of Labour supporters who are regularly active on this forum. If they aren't arguing with non-Labour supporters they are arguing among themselves.
Starmer could do nowt and just let Johnson do his electioneering for him over the next 4 years..
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If the Tory party was a house in the TV programme "Homes Under The Hammer", they'd renovate it. If it was a Labour party house they'd demolish it and start again.
If the Tory party was a house there would be a blue plaque denoting that integrity used to live here, before the 21st century.
Don’t you think Starmer is rebuilding labour.?
I think Starmer's fighting a losing battle. I think Labour voters are far too diverse in their opinions for him to represent a big enough chunk of them to fully support him in his attempts to grab the party by the b*llocks. I think there's even proof of that with the handful of Labour supporters who are regularly active on this forum. If they aren't arguing with non-Labour supporters they are arguing among themselves.
Starmer could do nowt and just let Johnson do his electioneering for him over the next 4 years..
Well, the Labour party does tend to be better at protesting than leading.
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Both the main parties are in my humble opinion are J Arthur. We need a new party to stand up for the rights of normal working people. Something not in the pay of big business or taken over by the PC cult.
Over 400 registered political parties in the UK but yeah let's add another. Surely the problems the system if at an election only 2 parties ever have a chance.
I personally feel like there's already mainstream parties that look out for the normal working people, but what do you think a new party should be doing and what policies should they promote?
Nationalise all utilities and railways.
Rebuild the armed forces with decent equipment for our defence.
Leave NATO.
Stop other nations robbing our fisheries.
Once and for all stop illegal immigrants and protect our borders.
Encourage and fund new manufacturing industry. Let's start making things again.
Provide a decent pension for OAP's.
Provide decent funding to NHS in return for restructuring and cutting back on wastefulness.
Proper taxation for multinationals.
Stop building houses on green spaces. There is NO housing shortage, just too many people.
Introduce a decent minimum wage.
A minimum holiday entitlement for workers of 25 days.
Stop identity politics and the PC agenda and treat everyone the same.
Start a building programme of nuclear power stations.
Scrap HS2.
That's just for starters...
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If the Tory party was a house in the TV programme "Homes Under The Hammer", they'd renovate it. If it was a Labour party house they'd demolish it and start again.
If the Tory party was a house there would be a blue plaque denoting that integrity used to live here, before the 21st century.
Don’t you think Starmer is rebuilding labour.?
I think Starmer's fighting a losing battle. I think Labour voters are far too diverse in their opinions for him to represent a big enough chunk of them to fully support him in his attempts to grab the party by the b*llocks. I think there's even proof of that with the handful of Labour supporters who are regularly active on this forum. If they aren't arguing with non-Labour supporters they are arguing among themselves.
Starmer could do nowt and just let Johnson do his electioneering for him over the next 4 years..
Well, the Labour party does tend to be better at protesting than leading.
Like when it led the world response to the Great Financial Crash 12 years ago while Cameron vanished for 6 months, then came back criticising once the worst of the crisis had been averted?
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That's exactly like I said! Another prime example of protesting against the government instead of saying how great your own party is.
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Both the main parties are in my humble opinion are J Arthur. We need a new party to stand up for the rights of normal working people. Something not in the pay of big business or taken over by the PC cult.
Over 400 registered political parties in the UK but yeah let's add another. Surely the problems the system if at an election only 2 parties ever have a chance.
I personally feel like there's already mainstream parties that look out for the normal working people, but what do you think a new party should be doing and what policies should they promote?
Nationalise all utilities and railways.
Rebuild the armed forces with decent equipment for our defence.
Leave NATO.
Stop other nations robbing our fisheries.
Once and for all stop illegal immigrants and protect our borders.
Encourage and fund new manufacturing industry. Let's start making things again.
Provide a decent pension for OAP's.
Provide decent funding to NHS in return for restructuring and cutting back on wastefulness.
Proper taxation for multinationals.
Stop building houses on green spaces. There is NO housing shortage, just too many people.
Introduce a decent minimum wage.
A minimum holiday entitlement for workers of 25 days.
Stop identity politics and the PC agenda and treat everyone the same.
Start a building programme of nuclear power stations.
Scrap HS2.
That's just for starters...
Axholme Lion for PM.
Agree with most of that but LEAVE NATO. Why would you wish to do that?
I wouldn’t re nationalise the railways or Utilities. It didn’t work before did it?
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That's exactly like I said! Another prime example of protesting against the government instead of saying how great your own party is.
As non-sequiturs go, that deserves an award. What on earth has that got to do with what I posted?
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Both the main parties are in my humble opinion are J Arthur. We need a new party to stand up for the rights of normal working people. Something not in the pay of big business or taken over by the PC cult.
Over 400 registered political parties in the UK but yeah let's add another. Surely the problems the system if at an election only 2 parties ever have a chance.
I personally feel like there's already mainstream parties that look out for the normal working people, but what do you think a new party should be doing and what policies should they promote?
Nationalise all utilities and railways.
Rebuild the armed forces with decent equipment for our defence.
Leave NATO.
Stop other nations robbing our fisheries.
Once and for all stop illegal immigrants and protect our borders.
Encourage and fund new manufacturing industry. Let's start making things again.
Provide a decent pension for OAP's.
Provide decent funding to NHS in return for restructuring and cutting back on wastefulness.
Proper taxation for multinationals.
Stop building houses on green spaces. There is NO housing shortage, just too many people.
Introduce a decent minimum wage.
A minimum holiday entitlement for workers of 25 days.
Stop identity politics and the PC agenda and treat everyone the same.
Start a building programme of nuclear power stations.
Scrap HS2.
That's just for starters...
Bar one or two (the reason for identity politics is that people are not being treated the same - see Windrush, How can the fish be ours, they move - thats why we had the Cod Wars cos they moved to Iceland) that's the Labour manifesto in 1945.
You are correct there is no housing shortage. There are over 200 000 empty houses in the UK - that's your problem. People having multiple homes (Rishi Sunak has 12).
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Does Sunak use all 12 houses himself or does he rent some out, therefore providing homes for people to live in.
There is nothing wrong by the way with having multiple houses.
They create income to the government by the way of taxes.
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Does Sunak use all 12 houses himself or does he rent some out, therefore providing homes for people to live in.
There is nothing wrong by the way with having multiple houses.
They create income to the government by the way of taxes.
That's if your ok with denying hard working ordinary people the chance to get on the housing ladder.
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I know plenty of people who only want to rent, rather than buy.
They like to rent a nice house but not have the burden of maintaining it.
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That doesn't change the point I made, hound.
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I know plenty of people who only want to rent, rather than buy.
They like to rent a nice house but not have the burden of maintaining it.
It beats me how most of them afford it !
£500 for a Calendar month for a family house - and what if you are not a family but a single person for whatever reason. First £500 straight to the Landlord - good grief thats a huge committment eh ?
No wonder people are Buying to Rent - get good tenants and it beats the pittance most people will be getting on a similar amount of money if its just in a Bank
Good grief how do people find this money month in month out - and its a double whammy I guess as RtBuy people drive up the prices of the housing stock pricing the would be buyers out
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Both the main parties are in my humble opinion are J Arthur. We need a new party to stand up for the rights of normal working people. Something not in the pay of big business or taken over by the PC cult.
Over 400 registered political parties in the UK but yeah let's add another. Surely the problems the system if at an election only 2 parties ever have a chance.
I personally feel like there's already mainstream parties that look out for the normal working people, but what do you think a new party should be doing and what policies should they promote?
Nationalise all utilities and railways.
Rebuild the armed forces with decent equipment for our defence.
Leave NATO.
Stop other nations robbing our fisheries.
Once and for all stop illegal immigrants and protect our borders.
Encourage and fund new manufacturing industry. Let's start making things again.
Provide a decent pension for OAP's.
Provide decent funding to NHS in return for restructuring and cutting back on wastefulness.
Proper taxation for multinationals.
Stop building houses on green spaces. There is NO housing shortage, just too many people.
Introduce a decent minimum wage.
A minimum holiday entitlement for workers of 25 days.
Stop identity politics and the PC agenda and treat everyone the same.
Start a building programme of nuclear power stations.
Scrap HS2.
That's just for starters...
Axholme Lion for PM.
Agree with most of that but LEAVE NATO. Why would you wish to do that?
I wouldn’t re nationalise the railways or Utilities. It didn’t work before did it?
The railways were far more efficient under nationalisation than they have been under private ownership Campsall. I never had the delays getting into London as I've had with private companies.
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ECML was making money before it got privatised again.
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ECML was making money before it got privatised again.
Its not currently privatised
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Ldr.
I think the point is that the last two private companies to run ECML have f**ked it up, whereas it was run efficiently and profitably when taken back into public ownership.
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Ldr.
I think the point is that the last two private companies to run ECML have f**ked it up, whereas it was run efficiently and profitably when taken back into public ownership.
Correct.
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I know plenty of people who only want to rent, rather than buy.
They like to rent a nice house but not have the burden of maintaining it.
It beats me how most of them afford it !
£500 for a Calendar month for a family house - and what if you are not a family but a single person for whatever reason. First £500 straight to the Landlord - good grief thats a huge committment eh ?
No wonder people are Buying to Rent - get good tenants and it beats the pittance most people will be getting on a similar amount of money if its just in a Bank
Good grief how do people find this money month in month out - and its a double whammy I guess as RtBuy people drive up the prices of the housing stock pricing the would be buyers out
If the renters did manage to get a mortgage Wolfie the repayments could well be in excess of £500pcm.
The biggest problem though is putting together the deposit they need to put down.
Renting allows lots of people to live in a home that is better than one they could possibly afford to buy.
They also can move on without the aggravation of having to sell.
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Agree but my real question is how they afford it ? It sounds an astronomical amount of money to me especially to those on Zero Hours or even those on minimum wage
They cant all be relying on bank of Mum and Dad can they ?
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Agree but my real question is how they afford it ? It sounds an astronomical amount of money to me especially to those on Zero Hours or even those on minimum wage
They cant all be relying on bank of Mum and Dad can they ?
590 pcm here wolfie, crippling my ability to save a deposit. Mortgage on the same house would be c400 pcm. Though I would have to cover maintenance of the building fabric which I dont currently which considering the roof has needed work and a new heating system i was pleased about in the short term
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Ridiculous thing about mortgages is that I could get a 100% mortgage in 1991, when interest rates were >10%. Now, when the actual cost of borrowing for banks is near zero, they are imposing punitive deposit requirements that many people just can't meet.
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Money which they then invest or lend out to make more money on, in lieu of receiving higher mortgage interest.
Regardless of comparative affordability, renting is throwing money down the drain.. I agree it is difficult for folks to get onto the housing ladder with high deposits needed and high prices anyway, but if you can buy, you should..
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The 3 bed semi next to ours was rented out to a woman who stayed for 7 years.
She paid £550 a month.
She left last year and new people moved in paying £675 a month.
They are now buying their own 4 bed detached on the new estate on Wheatley Hall Road where their mortgage is £600 a month.
(Admittedly they've had to come up with a hefty deposit)
The new tenant of the house next door will be paying £725 a month.
No shortage of viewings either.
It's ridiculous.
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Both the main parties are in my humble opinion are J Arthur. We need a new party to stand up for the rights of normal working people. Something not in the pay of big business or taken over by the PC cult.
Over 400 registered political parties in the UK but yeah let's add another. Surely the problems the system if at an election only 2 parties ever have a chance.
I personally feel like there's already mainstream parties that look out for the normal working people, but what do you think a new party should be doing and what policies should they promote?
Nationalise all utilities and railways.
Rebuild the armed forces with decent equipment for our defence.
Leave NATO.
Stop other nations robbing our fisheries.
Once and for all stop illegal immigrants and protect our borders.
Encourage and fund new manufacturing industry. Let's start making things again.
Provide a decent pension for OAP's.
Provide decent funding to NHS in return for restructuring and cutting back on wastefulness.
Proper taxation for multinationals.
Stop building houses on green spaces. There is NO housing shortage, just too many people.
Introduce a decent minimum wage.
A minimum holiday entitlement for workers of 25 days.
Stop identity politics and the PC agenda and treat everyone the same.
Start a building programme of nuclear power stations.
Scrap HS2.
That's just for starters...
Bar one or two (the reason for identity politics is that people are not being treated the same - see Windrush, How can the fish be ours, they move - thats why we had the Cod Wars cos they moved to Iceland) that's the Labour manifesto in 1945.
You are correct there is no housing shortage. There are over 200 000 empty houses in the UK - that's your problem. People having multiple homes (Rishi Sunak has 12).
I could live a few tweaks to that, a bit of compromise here and there. If as you say that's the 1945 Labour manifesto it didn't do too badly for them did it?
Everyone used to moan about British Rail, but when you look back they did a far better job than the privatised companies.
There is no way that utility companies should be I private hands. These are an essential to the nation and should be owned by us all and run for our collective benefit.
We should leave NATO and stop military involvement with the UN. We should not be interfering with the business of other nations. All it has done is help in growing the likes of IS and acted as a catalyst for terrorist attacks on ourselves.
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It’s good to know that at least one of our two major political parties are not complete laughing stocks.
Still think that today Belton?
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Both the main parties are in my humble opinion are J Arthur. We need a new party to stand up for the rights of normal working people. Something not in the pay of big business or taken over by the PC cult.
Over 400 registered political parties in the UK but yeah let's add another. Surely the problems the system if at an election only 2 parties ever have a chance.
I personally feel like there's already mainstream parties that look out for the normal working people, but what do you think a new party should be doing and what policies should they promote?
Nationalise all utilities and railways.
Rebuild the armed forces with decent equipment for our defence.
Leave NATO.
Stop other nations robbing our fisheries.
Once and for all stop illegal immigrants and protect our borders.
Encourage and fund new manufacturing industry. Let's start making things again.
Provide a decent pension for OAP's.
Provide decent funding to NHS in return for restructuring and cutting back on wastefulness.
Proper taxation for multinationals.
Stop building houses on green spaces. There is NO housing shortage, just too many people.
Introduce a decent minimum wage.
A minimum holiday entitlement for workers of 25 days.
Stop identity politics and the PC agenda and treat everyone the same.
Start a building programme of nuclear power stations.
Scrap HS2.
That's just for starters...
Axholme Lion for PM.
Agree with most of that but LEAVE NATO. Why would you wish to do that?
I wouldn’t re nationalise the railways or Utilities. It didn’t work before did it?
Well they certainly aren't working now are they??
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Point of fact. The 1945 Attlee Government was one of the founders of NATO. It was, to a great extent, the creation of Ernest Bevin. It was also the 1945 Labour Govt that set up the state of Israel. It was also the 1945 Labour Govt that started the UK nuclear deterrent policy. Those facts are frequently forgotten by the Corbynistas when they paint themselves as heirs to the 1945 Labour party. The foreign policy of the 45 Govt was very, very different to that of the Corbynistas.
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Could we all concur that the Atlee Government was the greatest Labour Government ever?
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It’s good to know that at least one of our two major political parties are not complete laughing stocks.
Still think that today Belton?
Easy. If ever a post was misunderstood, it’s this one. By you. I didn’t think I needed to add ‘this is an ironic comment’, but clearly, I did.
I apologise for assuming you’d get it.
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No possible argument there SS.
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Could we all concur that the Atlee Government was the greatest Labour Government ever?
It was the greatest government at the time and did exactly what was needed following WW2 .
There was absolutely not a step back but that Labour government had the balls despite the country virtually bankrupt to borrow and invest in its people .
People knock socialism , but it's a player at the toughest of times as we've seen under the Tories this year , if capitalism solves all problems then what the feck was the chancellor doing with the furlough scheme .
Which stripe sorted the financial crisis in 2008 ? .
Which is why you always need a mixed economy that works for all .
Market led economics couldn't solve either of the above .
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Ironic thing is Tyke, the economics that saw us emerge in the 30 years after the War was devised by the lifelong Liberal John Maynard Keynes. He said it was impossible to save your way out of debt and Depression. Govt had to borrow and spend to grow the economy. That worked brilliantly in the post-War years, and Govts of both right and left bought into it.
When that was applied by the Brown Govt in 2008, people on the right called it reckless. When Milliband and Balls proposed it in 2015, the right called it Marxist and the far left called it giving into Austerity. When Corbyn and McDonnell proposed a near-identical economic plan in 2017, the right called it Marxist and the far left called it inspired. Now even Johnson has bought into it, although Sunak seems determined to go back to the failed plan of saving our way out of the recovery from this crisis.
Funny how people view things.
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Could we all concur that the Atlee Government was the greatest Labour Government ever?
The greatest government ever?
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Both the main parties are in my humble opinion are J Arthur. We need a new party to stand up for the rights of normal working people. Something not in the pay of big business or taken over by the PC cult.
Over 400 registered political parties in the UK but yeah let's add another. Surely the problems the system if at an election only 2 parties ever have a chance.
I personally feel like there's already mainstream parties that look out for the normal working people, but what do you think a new party should be doing and what policies should they promote?
Nationalise all utilities and railways.
Rebuild the armed forces with decent equipment for our defence.
Leave NATO.
Stop other nations robbing our fisheries.
Once and for all stop illegal immigrants and protect our borders.
Encourage and fund new manufacturing industry. Let's start making things again.
Provide a decent pension for OAP's.
Provide decent funding to NHS in return for restructuring and cutting back on wastefulness.
Proper taxation for multinationals.
Stop building houses on green spaces. There is NO housing shortage, just too many people.
Introduce a decent minimum wage.
A minimum holiday entitlement for workers of 25 days.
Stop identity politics and the PC agenda and treat everyone the same.
Start a building programme of nuclear power stations.
Scrap HS2.
That's just for starters...
Axholme Lion for PM.
Agree with most of that but LEAVE NATO. Why would you wish to do that?
I wouldn’t re nationalise the railways or Utilities. It didn’t work before did it?
Well they certainly aren't working now are they??
Can make a case for the railways not working ok.
As for utilities well at least there is competition and people can move to the best offer as & when they wish.
If Gas & Electric were state owned were is the benefit to the consumer going to come from?
Water is a bit different as you have to be with your regional supplier.
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Can make a case for the railways not working ok.
As for utilities well at least there is competition and people can move to the best offer as & when they wish.
If Gas & Electric were state owned were is the benefit to the consumer going to come from?
Water is a bit different as you have to be with your regional supplier.
The fact that there's no already wealthy shareholders creaming an easy income from what everybody pays?
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Both the main parties are in my humble opinion are J Arthur. We need a new party to stand up for the rights of normal working people. Something not in the pay of big business or taken over by the PC cult.
Over 400 registered political parties in the UK but yeah let's add another. Surely the problems the system if at an election only 2 parties ever have a chance.
I personally feel like there's already mainstream parties that look out for the normal working people, but what do you think a new party should be doing and what policies should they promote?
Nationalise all utilities and railways.
Rebuild the armed forces with decent equipment for our defence.
Leave NATO.
Stop other nations robbing our fisheries.
Once and for all stop illegal immigrants and protect our borders.
Encourage and fund new manufacturing industry. Let's start making things again.
Provide a decent pension for OAP's.
Provide decent funding to NHS in return for restructuring and cutting back on wastefulness.
Proper taxation for multinationals.
Stop building houses on green spaces. There is NO housing shortage, just too many people.
Introduce a decent minimum wage.
A minimum holiday entitlement for workers of 25 days.
Stop identity politics and the PC agenda and treat everyone the same.
Start a building programme of nuclear power stations.
Scrap HS2.
That's just for starters...
Axholme Lion for PM.
Agree with most of that but LEAVE NATO. Why would you wish to do that?
I wouldn’t re nationalise the railways or Utilities. It didn’t work before did it?
Well they certainly aren't working now are they??
Can make a case for the railways not working ok.
As for utilities well at least there is competition and people can move to the best offer as & when they wish.
If Gas & Electric were state owned were is the benefit to the consumer going to come from?
Water is a bit different as you have to be with your regional supplier.
If fair competition for utiities worked so well - why do they need a regulator?
In what way didn't they work before? Thatcher and Major didn't flog them off because they weren't working for the consumer - they flogged them off because they WERE working for the consumer. They wanted them to work for the shareholders & Directors.