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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: selby on September 08, 2021, 08:42:29 am
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After last nights result and probably the performance it is easy to slag the manager the team and the performance off, but I can't see any point in that, and in some ways I was a lot happier at the end of the game than I was after some games last season, not being good enough I can accept and we were not on this occasion, but throwing the towel in which we did on more than one occasion last year I will not.
So let's concentrate on what looked better, the front three for a start, Vilca will be a breath of fresh air I predict, he has skill and an edge to him like most South Americans, the other two lads are quick, physical, and run past and behind defenders, they will do OK especially if they improve their finishing.
Smith in midfield tried his heart out in an area of the pitch where Rotherham dominated both numerically and physically, he never gave up challenging, showed a bit of a nasty streak and gave the impression he was here at least to try and play and match the opposition when fighting a losing battle.
As a team we took a battering, but I never saw anyone give up, and I want to see that carried on into Saturdays game, and with some of our better skilled players back despite our league and results showing up to press, I do see progress being made and we now need a little luck to start to see better results.
Wigan would not be the team I would have chosen to try to get the show on the road by the way, looking to have strengthened their squad well from last season, but it is a place in the past when we have come away with decent results when not expected, one on Saturday would be very welcome.
How do you view our prospects?
Who would you pick in the team?
Who in their side do you rate?
Are you seeing any green chutes of hope?
Are you going to the game?
It seems as though at the moment we are staggering from crisis to crisis, so lots to talk about in general and about this game, please have your say.
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A tough game, probably men against boys yet we have a video nasty to inspire our fledglings….” This is not how you win a game!”
I am genuinely confused by our set up I may add, we seem to be built for speed rather than battering, and this is our Achilles heal until it isn’t…
It takes a lot of game time and near misses to fine tune a “ limited contact” playing style….but SOD got it right ….eventually!
At the moment I’m starting to despise our fanbase and the lack of obvious connection they are struggling with……
Simple words like : rebuild, pain, loss, struggle, are not being devoured in the right context……perhaps this forum should close down this year and start again next, with a different vision and landscape…
To read how shit we are thread after thread is soul destroying and culminates into a very negative thing……..
But I say if you pay your money you are entitled to your opinion!…. But it is only an opinion….
I think we will lose the game against Wigan but win the “ we need some strikers” battle…..
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At the moment I’d rather not talk about any game!
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I don’t see us getting anything out the Wigan game . Recent results can effect performances and Performances can effect results , it’s a cycle of cause and effect , Rovers cycle has its roots back to the sale of both those players Marquis and recently Whiteman, key components in a quality side looking to get promotion. Sort out the long term interest of investment in players can only win over the supporters who feel cheated of promotion last season when the club couldn’t keep Darren Moore or his two predecessors due the boards attitude of not being prepared to invest with long term gains in-mind only short term shuffling of finances .
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I don’t see us getting anything out the Wigan game . Recent results can effect performances and Performances can effect results , it’s a cycle of cause and effect , Rovers cycle has its roots back to the sale of both those players Marquis and recently Whiteman, key components in a quality side looking to get promotion. Sort out the long term interest of investment in players can only win over the supporters who feel cheated of promotion last season when the club couldn’t keep Darren Moore or his two predecessors due the boards attitude of not being prepared to invest with long term gains in-mind only short term shuffling of finances .
Serious question!
Are you not enjoying supporting Rovers at the minute, and if not……what will need to happen to make you happy again
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Positive we'll have Dalhgard back.
Defence will have Knoyle back the rest the same if John is still not available. Overall certainly not good enough without Anderson’s experience.
Midfield should have Galbraith back I would play two players in front of back four which will have to be Galbraith and Bostock. The third player if fit will be Close if not Smith.
If all fit then Hiwula and Dodoo it’s a choice between Seaman and Vilca for the other.
Do we play 4231 to give us better stability and match up to Wigan.
We need to be stronger at the back to stop Wykes heading.
Expectations no idea can’t see anything but a defeat without Anderson back.
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I don’t see us getting anything out the Wigan game . Recent results can effect performances and Performances can effect results , it’s a cycle of cause and effect , Rovers cycle has its roots back to the sale of both those players Marquis and recently Whiteman, key components in a quality side looking to get promotion. Sort out the long term interest of investment in players can only win over the supporters who feel cheated of promotion last season when the club couldn’t keep Darren Moore or his two predecessors due the boards attitude of not being prepared to invest with long term gains in-mind only short term shuffling of finances .
Yawn. Thread says talk about the Wigan game. It didn't invite you to repeat the same old stuff about the board.
There's ample other threads for you to express your opinion on that matter.
I agree, it's going to be another tough day at the office, especially if we don't have John or Anderson still.
Hopefully, we'll have Pontus and Gilbraith back but even then, you'd expect Wigan to be too strong for us.
So, what sign of improvement are you hoping to see? Maybe some positive play in the final third, creating chances and the outside chance of us scoring a goal?
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Another defeat.
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Another defeat.
I’m sure the Rovers won’t disappoint you !
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Positive we'll have Dalhgard back.
Defence will have Knoyle back the rest the same if John is still not available. Overall certainly not good enough without Anderson’s experience.
Midfield should have Galbraith back I would play two players in front of back four which will have to be Galbraith and Bostock. The third player if fit will be Close if not Smith.
If all fit then Hiwula and Dodoo it’s a choice between Seaman and Vilca for the other.
Do we play 4231 to give us better stability and match up to Wigan.
We need to be stronger at the back to stop Wykes heading.
Expectations no idea can’t see anything but a defeat without Anderson back.
Who is Dahlgard?
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Over the years I have watched Wyke play he has had good games when given the service from wide positions, but quite a passenger when when the service has been cut off.
Part of our game plan must be to keep him out of the danger area, and give no stupid free kecks away for set pieces around our area, in fact we need to play on the front foot and as much of the game as possible in their half of the field in my opinion.
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Sky bet now have Wigan at 3/5 for the home win. Rovers 17/4.
I was hoping for at least even money on Wigan.
It’s going to be a very tough game. I’d take a draw right now.
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Sky bet now have Wigan at 3/5 for the home win. Rovers 17/4.
I was hoping for at least even money on Wigan.
It’s going to be a very tough game. I’d take a draw right now.
f.f.s. :thumbdown: that makes Rovers about 5/2 to win meaning they would win 2 in 7 in a "perfect world"
have you got a different form book to everyone else (or is it upside down)
Rotherham should have beaten Wednesday -- Rotherham lost to an injury time goal at Wigan
ironically next match Wigan conceed in injury time for a draw
in fact wigans league results are very impressive to date they haven't played a rubbish team (left the door open there for the professional moaners ) yet
full results
sunderland 2 wigan 1
wigan 1 rotherham 0
wigan 1 wycombe 1
charlton 0 wigan 2
wigan 1 portsmouth 0
CLH realises "Rotherham Giants" are the best team in this division at this moment in time
Smith stayed and they got that extra striker they are very serious contenders - and they basically had the "lucky reserves " playing last night only 3 starters from the last match
forget their geographical location and get real
update
and i forget about Charlie Wyke and his "foreplay" :chair:
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Positive we'll have Dalhgard back.
Defence will have Knoyle back the rest the same if John is still not available. Overall certainly not good enough without Anderson’s experience.
Midfield should have Galbraith back I would play two players in front of back four which will have to be Galbraith and Bostock. The third player if fit will be Close if not Smith.
If all fit then Hiwula and Dodoo it’s a choice between Seaman and Vilca for the other.
Do we play 4231 to give us better stability and match up to Wigan.
We need to be stronger at the back to stop Wykes heading.
Expectations no idea can’t see anything but a defeat without Anderson back.
Who is Dahlgard?
He’s better than Jones but not as good as Dahlberg
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I don’t see us getting anything out the Wigan game . Recent results can effect performances and Performances can effect results , it’s a cycle of cause and effect , Rovers cycle has its roots back to the sale of both those players Marquis and recently Whiteman, key components in a quality side looking to get promotion. Sort out the long term interest of investment in players can only win over the supporters who feel cheated of promotion last season when the club couldn’t keep Darren Moore or his two predecessors due the boards attitude of not being prepared to invest with long term gains in-mind only short term shuffling of finances .
Serious question!
Are you not enjoying supporting Rovers at the minute, and if not……what will need to happen to make you happy again
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Good question.. Some honesty from the board who have taken liberties with the sales of players and why they can’t keep the managers they appointed . Did they mislead them or promise that they could leave at the first opportunity! As a supporter of over 50 years I was disappointed in the lack of effort to give it real go last season , when the opportunity was there inspite of Moore leaving . ( Water under a bridge now) but to start a new season with massive gaps in the squad and the probably the ONLY honest admission that this will be a consolidation season . Yet it’s fast becoming a relegation struggle because of its presumption that you can just invoke consolidation as aright without realising it means loosing games and all that entails. Watching an amateur manager struggle to put over his views on the pitch and listen to his excuses off are getting to point , if this was a pair of trousers that I’d purchased instead of a season ticket , I’d have taken the back as they do not look or feel right with no Zip and just holes in the arse !!
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Positive we'll have Dalhgard back.
Defence will have Knoyle back the rest the same if John is still not available. Overall certainly not good enough without Anderson’s experience.
Midfield should have Galbraith back I would play two players in front of back four which will have to be Galbraith and Bostock. The third player if fit will be Close if not Smith.
If all fit then Hiwula and Dodoo it’s a choice between Seaman and Vilca for the other.
Do we play 4231 to give us better stability and match up to Wigan.
We need to be stronger at the back to stop Wykes heading.
Expectations no idea can’t see anything but a defeat without Anderson back.
Who is Dahlgard?
He’s better than Jones but not as good as Dahlberg
Acceptable recovery!
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People might think I am being facetious, but there could be some advantage to us as Wigan try to figure out what they might expect from Rovers. I think I would be hard put to know.
Cynics might say that whatever we produce will be comfortably countered.
For us though, the unexpected may be our only source of hope. (Someone mentioned Dickov recently and there were a few times we won in his time when it was difficult to believe how!)
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I don’t see us getting anything out the Wigan game . Recent results can effect performances and Performances can effect results , it’s a cycle of cause and effect , Rovers cycle has its roots back to the sale of both those players Marquis and recently Whiteman, key components in a quality side looking to get promotion. Sort out the long term interest of investment in players can only win over the supporters who feel cheated of promotion last season when the club couldn’t keep Darren Moore or his two predecessors due the boards attitude of not being prepared to invest with long term gains in-mind only short term shuffling of finances .
Serious question!
Are you not enjoying supporting Rovers at the minute, and if not……what will need to happen to make you happy again
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Good question.. Some honesty from the board who have taken liberties with the sales of players and why they can’t keep the managers they appointed . Did they mislead them or promise that they could leave at the first opportunity! As a supporter of over 50 years I was disappointed in the lack of effort to give it real go last season , when the opportunity was there inspite of Moore leaving . ( Water under a bridge now) but to start a new season with massive gaps in the squad and the probably the ONLY honest admission that this will be a consolidation season . Yet it’s fast becoming a relegation struggle because of its presumption that you can just invoke consolidation as aright without realising it means loosing games and all that entails. Watching an amateur manager struggle to put over his views on the pitch and listen to his excuses off are getting to point , if this was a pair of trousers that I’d purchased instead of a season ticket , I’d have taken the back as they do not look or feel right with no Zip and just holes in the arse !!
Phewwwwwww!
So from all that I glean you want a more accurate assessment from the board as to were we realistically should finish based upon the amount of funds available?
I guess you also want the board to tell us that RW was an economy buy, and would himself be working under a very tight budget that might not be enough o repair the damage caused by previous managers, but may also not be enough to be able to bring in the players we need to survive in this division !
Seems fare enough!
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People might think I am being facetious, but there could be some advantage to us as Wigan try to figure out what they might expect from Rovers. I think I would be hard put to know.
Cynics might say that whatever we produce will be comfortably countered.
For us though, the unexpected may be our only source of hope. (Someone mentioned Dickov recently and there were a few times we won in his time when it was difficult to believe how!)
Nobody will think you facetious, however they require a little more meat on the bone to agree!.....to on, go for it!
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1-0 win. Dodoo to score.
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I don’t see us getting anything out the Wigan game . Recent results can effect performances and Performances can effect results , it’s a cycle of cause and effect , Rovers cycle has its roots back to the sale of both those players Marquis and recently Whiteman, key components in a quality side looking to get promotion. Sort out the long term interest of investment in players can only win over the supporters who feel cheated of promotion last season when the club couldn’t keep Darren Moore or his two predecessors due the boards attitude of not being prepared to invest with long term gains in-mind only short term shuffling of finances .
Serious question!
Are you not enjoying supporting Rovers at the minute, and if not……what will need to happen to make you happy again
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Good question.. Some honesty from the board who have taken liberties with the sales of players and why they can’t keep the managers they appointed . Did they mislead them or promise that they could leave at the first opportunity! As a supporter of over 50 years I was disappointed in the lack of effort to give it real go last season , when the opportunity was there inspite of Moore leaving . ( Water under a bridge now) but to start a new season with massive gaps in the squad and the probably the ONLY honest admission that this will be a consolidation season . Yet it’s fast becoming a relegation struggle because of its presumption that you can just invoke consolidation as aright without realising it means loosing games and all that entails. Watching an amateur manager struggle to put over his views on the pitch and listen to his excuses off are getting to point , if this was a pair of trousers that I’d purchased instead of a season ticket , I’d have taken the back as they do not look or feel right with no Zip and just holes in the arse !!
Phewwwwwww!
So from all that I glean you want a more accurate assessment from the board as to were we realistically should finish based upon the amount of funds available?
I guess you also want the board to tell us that RW was an economy buy, and would himself be working under a very tight budget that might not be enough o repair the damage caused by previous managers, but may also not be enough to be able to bring in the players we need to survive in this division !
Seems fare enough!
That about covers it .Oh yes.. our defence has not been improved since we lost James , Halliday and Wright and now we have major injury worries on that front , And it would be better to have our keeper as-well , and every time we get a loan one they get recalled and we end up with Lewis !!
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Sha66y
I cannot say what I expect because, possibly like you, I genuinely have not worked out what the plan is.
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Sha66y
I cannot say what I expect because, possibly like you, I genuinely have not worked out what the plan is.
All anyone can hope is that it’s better behind the scenes then on the pitch . I’ve not known a season like this since the early conference days when Snoddin was in charge .
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Sha66y
I cannot say what I expect because, possibly like you, I genuinely have not worked out what the plan is.
Ahhhhhh I get it!
You think that if we don’t have a settled plan and style of play, this might work in our favour , because Wigan won’t know either?
Let’s hope so!
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Sha66y
I cannot say what I expect because, possibly like you, I genuinely have not worked out what the plan is.
All anyone can hope is that it’s better behind the scenes then on the pitch . I’ve not known a season like this since the early conference days when Snoddin was in charge .
I’d like to think that throughout all this turmoil , our back room and hierarchy are ahead of the curve , and this Is just the pain of redeveloping a squad for next year ….not this
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i always thought he stocked up on decent forwards especially loanees e.g. my friend the Admiral (who was back up and didnt play much ) to loanee Doyle and that bloke from Doncaster who is at Blackpool
and the wait for it the plan was to score one or more goals than the opposition !! this was when swindon won the division
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I like that lad called Smith, we were totally over run in midfield, we were second best every factor of the game in that area, they were bigger, faster, better and more experienced than we were but that lad never gave up trying, covered loads of ground, and should have had a goal to his name when he made a great run into the box, but failed to finish it off.
Give me players like that, he will only get better, has an edge to his game and attitude which when you are getting a battering like we did says a lot about character and a willingness to do well.
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I’m going for a 1-1 draw. Show signs of improvement step by step. Dodoo to score against his old club. Midfield should be improved if Galbraith plays.
It depends who plays centre back. Hopefully we have John available
Either way I’m going and looking forward to it
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Fully expect to get beat again. But I won’t be calling for the managers head, or be questioning of the boards perceived lack of investment, like some do if the inevitable happens again.
I’ve hunkered down for a struggle this season. Backs to the wall time.
I’d be very very happy with a draw. And ecstatic with anything better.
Come on rovers. We will be with you all the way.
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If Anderson and John still not available and we can’t get a slightly experienced CH on short term deal that’s up to Richie, CEO and Chairman. The it will be Williams and Horton both still young for one just 23 and the other just 21 both had birthdays last seven days. It was always said that Williams would learn off the experience of Anderson unfortunately his ankle problems have taken over.
Therefore the midfield need to protect them best they can. Galbraith should help Bostock allowing Close or Smith to work with forwards. Can’t see anything but a defeat but would like to see us score.
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If Anderson and John still not available and we can’t get a slightly experienced CH on short term deal that’s up to Richie, CEO and Chairman. The it will be Williams and Horton both still young for one just 23 and the other just 21 both had birthdays last seven days. It was always said that Williams would learn off the experience of Anderson unfortunately his ankle problems have taken over.
Therefore the midfield need to protect them best they can. Galbraith should help Bostock allowing Close or Smith to work with forwards. Can’t see anything but a defeat but would like to see us score.
Cmon now, you could have got away with just the last sentence there..
“can’t see anything but a defeat, but would like to see us score”
Absolutely no need to add all those other words, I dare say that most know exactly what you’d mean, with the shortened version….
I probably agree on both points
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If Anderson and John still not available and we can’t get a slightly experienced CH on short term deal that’s up to Richie, CEO and Chairman. The it will be Williams and Horton both still young for one just 23 and the other just 21 both had birthdays last seven days. It was always said that Williams would learn off the experience of Anderson unfortunately his ankle problems have taken over.
Therefore the midfield need to protect them best they can. Galbraith should help Bostock allowing Close or Smith to work with forwards. Can’t see anything but a defeat but would like to see us score.
Going on the Free Press interview with Baldwin, we won't be signing any more free agents
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Wigan have had five home games this season and kept four clean sheets, conceding a single goal in the other game. Suffice to say if they score, we are statistically likely to lose.
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If Anderson and John still not available and we can’t get a slightly experienced CH on short term deal that’s up to Richie, CEO and Chairman. The it will be Williams and Horton both still young for one just 23 and the other just 21 both had birthdays last seven days. It was always said that Williams would learn off the experience of Anderson unfortunately his ankle problems have taken over.
Therefore the midfield need to protect them best they can. Galbraith should help Bostock allowing Close or Smith to work with forwards. Can’t see anything but a defeat but would like to see us score.
Going on the Free Press interview with Baldwin, we won't be signing any more free agents
And that means what?
We’ll win, lose or draw ?
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Wigan have had five home games this season and kept four clean sheets, conceding a single goal in the other game. Suffice to say if they score, we are statistically likely to lose.
I’m assuming that the bit you missed off was “ and if we score, we will still lose!”
Or are there further statistics that might support a different outcome?
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If Anderson and John still not available and we can’t get a slightly experienced CH on short term deal that’s up to Richie, CEO and Chairman. The it will be Williams and Horton both still young for one just 23 and the other just 21 both had birthdays last seven days. It was always said that Williams would learn off the experience of Anderson unfortunately his ankle problems have taken over.
Therefore the midfield need to protect them best they can. Galbraith should help Bostock allowing Close or Smith to work with forwards. Can’t see anything but a defeat but would like to see us score.
Going on the Free Press interview with Baldwin, we won't be signing any more free agents
Unless of exceptional circumstances were his words that will depend how long Anderson and John are going to be out whether it’s judged as exceptional or not.
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If Anderson and John still not available and we can’t get a slightly experienced CH on short term deal that’s up to Richie, CEO and Chairman. The it will be Williams and Horton both still young for one just 23 and the other just 21 both had birthdays last seven days. It was always said that Williams would learn off the experience of Anderson unfortunately his ankle problems have taken over.
Therefore the midfield need to protect them best they can. Galbraith should help Bostock allowing Close or Smith to work with forwards. Can’t see anything but a defeat but would like to see us score.
Going on the Free Press interview with Baldwin, we won't be signing any more free agents
Unless of exceptional circumstances were his words that will depend how long Anderson and John are going to be out whether it’s judged as exceptional or not.
I read that as more of a 'unless an exceptional player came up' but you might very well be right... Don't think there are many CB's knocking about we would want to take a punt on, think all the decent ones are early to mid 30's and would take a month to get up to speed
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If Anderson and John still not available and we can’t get a slightly experienced CH on short term deal that’s up to Richie, CEO and Chairman. The it will be Williams and Horton both still young for one just 23 and the other just 21 both had birthdays last seven days. It was always said that Williams would learn off the experience of Anderson unfortunately his ankle problems have taken over.
Therefore the midfield need to protect them best they can. Galbraith should help Bostock allowing Close or Smith to work with forwards. Can’t see anything but a defeat but would like to see us score.
Going on the Free Press interview with Baldwin, we won't be signing any more free agents
Unless of exceptional circumstances were his words that will depend how long Anderson and John are going to be out whether it’s judged as exceptional or not.
I read that as more of a 'unless an exceptional player came up' but you might very well be right... Don't think there are many CB's knocking about we would want to take a punt on, think all the decent ones are early to mid 30's and would take a month to get up to speed
Are you sure about that?
I'd wait 24 hours if I was you.
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If Anderson and John still not available and we can’t get a slightly experienced CH on short term deal that’s up to Richie, CEO and Chairman. The it will be Williams and Horton both still young for one just 23 and the other just 21 both had birthdays last seven days. It was always said that Williams would learn off the experience of Anderson unfortunately his ankle problems have taken over.
Therefore the midfield need to protect them best they can. Galbraith should help Bostock allowing Close or Smith to work with forwards. Can’t see anything but a defeat but would like to see us score.
Going on the Free Press interview with Baldwin, we won't be signing any more free agents
Unless of exceptional circumstances were his words that will depend how long Anderson and John are going to be out whether it’s judged as exceptional or not.
I read that as more of a 'unless an exceptional player came up' but you might very well be right... Don't think there are many CB's knocking about we would want to take a punt on, think all the decent ones are early to mid 30's and would take a month to get up to speed
Are you sure about that?
I'd wait 24 hours if I was you.
More than happy to be proved wrong SM! Just how I read it that was all, I think we do need a little cover at CB though, can't go into Saturday with Horton at centre half
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If Anderson and John still not available and we can’t get a slightly experienced CH on short term deal that’s up to Richie, CEO and Chairman. The it will be Williams and Horton both still young for one just 23 and the other just 21 both had birthdays last seven days. It was always said that Williams would learn off the experience of Anderson unfortunately his ankle problems have taken over.
Therefore the midfield need to protect them best they can. Galbraith should help Bostock allowing Close or Smith to work with forwards. Can’t see anything but a defeat but would like to see us score.
Going on the Free Press interview with Baldwin, we won't be signing any more free agents
Unless of exceptional circumstances were his words that will depend how long Anderson and John are going to be out whether it’s judged as exceptional or not.
I read that as more of a 'unless an exceptional player came up' but you might very well be right... Don't think there are many CB's knocking about we would want to take a punt on, think all the decent ones are early to mid 30's and would take a month to get up to speed
Are you sure about that?
I'd wait 24 hours if I was you.
Oh you little tease!
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What will you accept tomorrow in a game that even if we were playing well and at the top instead of the bottom of the division would still be viewed as a very hard game and place to go to.
A win and nothing less?
A very lucky draw in which we were very poor? or a
A loss in which we were very unlucky, showed a lot of progress but lost?
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What will you accept tomorrow in a game that even if we were playing well and at the top instead of the bottom of the division would still be viewed as a very hard game and place to go to.
A win and nothing less?
A very lucky draw in which we were very poor? or a
A loss in which we were very unlucky, showed a lot of progress but lost?
I accept what happens but hope we acquit ourselves admirably
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What will you accept tomorrow in a game that even if we were playing well and at the top instead of the bottom of the division would still be viewed as a very hard game and place to go to.
A win and nothing less?
A very lucky draw in which we were very poor? or a
A loss in which we were very unlucky, showed a lot of progress but lost?
I accept what happens but hope we acquit ourselves admirably
General Custer 1876.
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What will you accept tomorrow in a game that even if we were playing well and at the top instead of the bottom of the division would still be viewed as a very hard game and place to go to.
A win and nothing less?
A very lucky draw in which we were very poor? or a
A loss in which we were very unlucky, showed a lot of progress but lost?
I accept what happens but hope we acquit ourselves admirably
General Custer 1876.
The 300
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What will you accept tomorrow in a game that even if we were playing well and at the top instead of the bottom of the division would still be viewed as a very hard game and place to go to.
A win and nothing less?
A very lucky draw in which we were very poor? or a
A loss in which we were very unlucky, showed a lot of progress but lost?
a goal
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Some of the Wigan fans seem very confident;
"I'm going 4 0 latics"
"Someone is in for a good rogering and it will be dony 5.0 UTFT"
"Donny's defence has more holes in it than a Tetley's Tea Bag"
"One look at their squad (which includes plenty of our old rubbish) and their results is enough to tell you how bad Doncaster are"
To be fair, a few of them are predicting a low scoring draw. Oh and a few also think Will Grigg signed for us :facepalm:
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looking at there squad it it's like stargate revisited
out of this world ??
Thelo Aasgaard
Max Power
Curtis Tilt
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Is there guess as to the possible line up now !
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For those of you that went to the game on Tuesday, knowing who played well and those who didn't, plus the return of some players and the new signing, would this be a reasonable guess of the line-up?
If it's 4-2-3-1
Dahlberg
Knoyle
Williams
Olowu
Rowe
Close
Galbraith
Hiwula
Smith
Vilca
Dodoo
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Brian Clough once said, I'd sooner face a team that won 5 0 than lost 5 0, let's stop the moaning throwing towel in attitude that is constantly on this site and get behind players and manager, we've a totally new team with horrendous injury list, our luck will change, I wouldn't want to be in trenches with half you lot as you've already got us relegated, let's have a bit of common sense and positively. COYR
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For those of you that went to the game on Tuesday, knowing who played well and those who didn't, plus the return of some players and the new signing, would this be a reasonable guess of the line-up?
If it's 4-2-3-1
Dahlberg
Knoyle
Williams
Olowu
Rowe
Close
Galbraith
Hiwula
Smith
Vilca
Dodoo
id agree with that apart from I think Close will be the one further forward, not sure whether smith will play ahead of Bostock. Bostock was poor on Tuesday but after listening to RWs interview he said were lacking a bit of heigh and physicality atm with Anderson and John missing so he might go with bostock. Same with Vilca, he said he was good technically but needs to be more physical so wasn’t sure whether to throw him straight in from the start so he may go with Seaman.
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You know you have a pretty lightweight squad when you’re playing Bostock for his “physicality”!
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For those of you that went to the game on Tuesday, knowing who played well and those who didn't, plus the return of some players and the new signing, would this be a reasonable guess of the line-up?
If it's 4-2-3-1
Dahlberg
Knoyle
Williams
Olowu
Rowe
Close
Galbraith
Hiwula
Smith
Vilca
Dodoo
I would be happy with that line up SS but suspect Bostock will start assuming 100% fit in place of either Smith or Close.
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You know you have a pretty lightweight squad when you’re playing Bostock for his “physicality”!
I know he’s not the most physical player but his height would help from corners.
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I’ve not watched every single match that Bostock has played for us, but I don’t think I’ve ever seen him head the ball.
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He did tend to duck out of them in the last season, however against Portsmouth this season he seemed really up for it, and was going in for headers and winning them.
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Bostock's been a decent DM so far this season and were going to miss him today.
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Charlie Wyke is starting for them. Ok he doesn’t have McGeady crossing to him, but it is not a good sign that big lump is playing, especially as neither of our centre backs are particularly experienced or physically his match. Lot of pressure on Rowe and Knoyle to stop balls coming in to Wyke. Be surprised if he doesn’t score if I am honest.
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Charlie Wyke is starting for them. Ok he doesn’t have McGeady crossing to him, but it is not a good sign that big lump is playing, especially as neither of our centre backs are particularly experienced or physically his match. Lot of pressure on Rowe and Knoyle to stop balls coming in to Wyke. Be surprised if he doesn’t score if I am honest.
Dahlberg apparently had a Wyke sized pocket sewn into his shorts….don’t sweat it, I’m sure he’s been made aware of what’s going to be attacking HIS goal!
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Dahlberg is still pulling off great saves but the team looks disjointed and their passing is just all over the place and not effecting Wigan in anyway and are just chasing shadows out of possession. A lot of work needs carting out on the training ground if they are to get this bunch to gel .
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Three shots , only one on target.
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We can just take this game as the one nobody wanted to play in as todays performance suggests .
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Thank Christ Wigan's finishing was absolutely crap. That was as comprehensive a 1-2 defeat as you will ever see. Their keeper touched the ball twice in the second half. Once for a goal kick and once from a header back to him from a defender.
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It seems to be getting worse rather than better. I hope there is an upturn soon before confidence is total shot
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We will win next Saturday. I can feel it in my water.
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The only way is up.
Keep the faith. These lads are still getting to know each other.
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It seems to be getting worse rather than better. I hope there is an upturn soon before confidence is total shot
Was Bostock not fit enough to start? . Wigan out fought Rovers all over the pitch , Dahkberg saved us from another thrashing with some brilliant saves . Lacked any real threat upfront and their set pieces had us panicking with all our player in our own six yard box every time they took a corner.
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Besides not having Taylor or Anderson that was our first choice team. The difference to last season's loanees can be summed by two men with one name.
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Chasing shadows all afternoon, what's concerning is we are miles away from the very good performances against Wednesday & Portsmouth, we seem to be going backwards, don't let the scoreline fool anyone, that was a 2-1 battering.
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Maybe Wellens should be the one frozen out of training and not Bogle.
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Have we heard from Wellens yet ?
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I am getting slightly concerned as I didn't think we was half as bad as some on here are saying.
We saw the downside today of having so many young loan players up against established pros.
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Besides not having Taylor or Anderson that was our first choice team. The difference to last season's loanees can be summed by two men with one name.
No Okenabirhie either, no Cameron John who I would argue is better than in one or two positions than those on the pitch today. Possibly argue Bostock in midfield as well rather than, say, Smith.
Not that I'm excusing things.
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I agree they are better but I was meaning Richie's first choice. Bostock would be most clubs first name on the teamsheet because most clubs wouldn't play him as a holding midfielder.
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I agree they are better but I was meaning Richie's first choice. Bostock would be most clubs first name on the teamsheet because most clubs wouldn't play him as a holding midfielder.
Why not? He's played as a defensive midfielder all of his career.
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I agree they are better but I was meaning Richie's first choice. Bostock would be most clubs first name on the teamsheet because most clubs wouldn't play him as a holding midfielder.
Hate to say it but he's one-paced and his class on the ball is too good for the players around him. This means i) that he doesn't make ground with the ball; and ii) more often than not no one makes the run for him to pick them out. As a result the play often slows when he's in possession, our moves break down and the ball gets nicked back by the opposition or they get to regroup.
However, I do think that if he were to stay up in the final third and gel with Hiwula and Fej then it could be good times. The challenge would then be to find a midfield mester who could feed him.
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I am getting slightly concerned as I didn't think we was half as bad as some on here are saying.
We saw the downside today of having so many young loan players up against established pros.
Disappointing thing is we saw the down side of the loan players last season. Everyone said we learnt from it
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Really disappointed in the 2nd half yesterday. We just had no cohesion, pattern of the play and created precisely nothing. We fizzled out completely late in the game when we should have been bombarding the Wigan goal.
1st half we gave as good as we got and apart from set pieces Wigan created nothing. We had another chance to go 2-1 ahead.
We need that win to build confidence. Any old scrappy win will do.
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I am getting slightly concerned as I didn't think we was half as bad as some on here are saying.
We saw the downside today of having so many young loan players up against established pros.
Disappointing thing is we saw the down side of the loan players last season. Everyone said we learnt from it
We had two outfield players on loan in our staring XI - Wigan had one.
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I am getting slightly concerned as I didn't think we was half as bad as some on here are saying.
We saw the downside today of having so many young loan players up against established pros.
Disappointing thing is we saw the down side of the loan players last season. Everyone said we learnt from it
We had two outfield players on loan in our staring XI - Wigan had one.
So of our loan players only half are good enough to get in the team? The way we’re playing? The fact they can’t get in the team doesn’t make the argument against less valid.
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I am getting slightly concerned as I didn't think we was half as bad as some on here are saying.
We saw the downside today of having so many young loan players up against established pros.
Disappointing thing is we saw the down side of the loan players last season. Everyone said we learnt from it
We had two outfield players on loan in our staring XI - Wigan had one.
So of our loan players only half are good enough to get in the team? The way we’re playing? The fact they can’t get in the team doesn’t make the argument against less valid.
So when someone writes 'we saw the downside today of having so many young loan players up against established pros' the fact there weren't young loan players up against established pros proves the point! OK, if thats what you want to believe.
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I am getting slightly concerned as I didn't think we was half as bad as some on here are saying.
We saw the downside today of having so many young loan players up against established pros.
Disappointing thing is we saw the down side of the loan players last season. Everyone said we learnt from it
We had two outfield players on loan in our staring XI - Wigan had one.
So of our loan players only half are good enough to get in the team? The way we’re playing? The fact they can’t get in the team doesn’t make the argument against less valid.
So whose going to provide the extra funds which would. bring in a good defensive midfield player and another midfield player instead of the loans.
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I am getting slightly concerned as I didn't think we was half as bad as some on here are saying.
We saw the downside today of having so many young loan players up against established pros.
Disappointing thing is we saw the down side of the loan players last season. Everyone said we learnt from it
We had two outfield players on loan in our staring XI - Wigan had one.
So of our loan players only half are good enough to get in the team? The way we’re playing? The fact they can’t get in the team doesn’t make the argument against less valid.
So when someone writes 'we saw the downside today of having so many young loan players up against established pros' the fact there weren't young loan players up against established pros proves the point! OK, if thats what you want to believe.
Fair enough maybe not the point from yesterday’s game but as a squad over the season I’d say it’s still relevant to us as it was last season
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I am getting slightly concerned as I didn't think we was half as bad as some on here are saying.
We saw the downside today of having so many young loan players up against established pros.
Disappointing thing is we saw the down side of the loan players last season. Everyone said we learnt from it
We had two outfield players on loan in our staring XI - Wigan had one.
So of our loan players only half are good enough to get in the team? The way we’re playing? The fact they can’t get in the team doesn’t make the argument against less valid.
So whose going to provide the extra funds which would. bring in a good defensive midfield player and another midfield player instead of the loans.
Not about extra funds about using what we have better. Loans are fine adding to a already established squad.
I’d say the signings of Gardener and Barlow seem a waste. Matt Smith is not the type of player we needed in midfield it was clear. The struggles in midfield aren’t injury related just bad recruitment. Take those 3 signings out and the striker who is overweight (WTF is that about) and yes there would be funds to sign a couple of players. Not works beaters but players who know the league sbd have a bit of nouse which is needed.
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If we would have signed permanent midfield players I’m not sure their cost. The selection team of chairman, CEO, TIM, Richie and Copps must have decided that the two young loans in Smith and Cukur were more cost effective with the money they had to spend. Richie said he couldn’t get a permanent goalkeeper as they start at £1500 a week. So signing two midfield players with league one experience would have been more than that each. Looking at the start of the season if we hadn’t signed Barlow, Gardner both were cheap options and Cukur we would not have had a front three. The selection team used the funds we have to maximise the squad.
What was and is wrong the signing of six young players that also taken up the budget.
The medical team at the club for not checking on Taylor and Okenbirhie through the summer so the first they knew about them was when they returned and both where not ready.
So yes I like you are not sure on the players you’ve mentioned. But I do not believe there were sufficient funds at that time when decisions were made to allow the signing of two league 1 standard midfield players.
Let’s be fair since MCCann left who have two managers been able to sign permanently that were better than the players he had. Got ask the question why?
We couldn’t even keep players we had as they would not sign contracts offered in the last two/ three years.