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Viking Chat => Off Topic => Topic started by: sha66y on November 16, 2021, 08:42:15 pm
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Nearly every advert on TV has a mixed race family in it, surely to god that doesn’t represent anything reasonably normal other than patronising the coloured folks!
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"coloured" :ermm:
Says it all,really.
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Nearly every advert on TV has a mixed race family in it, surely to god that doesn’t represent anything reasonably normal other than patronising the coloured folks!
I think you'd get a more positive response posting this on a Yorkshire CCC forum.
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Nearly every advert on TV has a mixed race family in it, surely to god that doesn’t represent anything reasonably normal other than patronising the coloured folks!
Shaggy, you were onto something with your original point. But that c word is classed as a racial slur in many parts of the world. Including the uk. Worthy of modification imho, and lesson learnt.
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That's nothing. 65% of them are gay too. ;)
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sha66y choice of words out of date but you make a valid point
Inclusivity has gone mad. When I was a lad. Many many moons ago no one gave a monkeys about whether superman or Batman or any other super hero had a partner of any kind it was fictional
Why have Disney suddenly decided to give cartoon characters sexuality. It’s absolute nonsense
I can only assume that all this wokeism is going to continue to take over the world
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Thomas and friends
https://play.thomasandfriends.com/en-gb/engines
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Anyone seen The Larkins?
(You're lucky if you haven't btw)
It's set in the 1950's and Charlie (played by Philip Franks in the original) is now a black guy who marries one of the daughters.
This is 1950's Britain and his race is never mentioned by anyone, when in the real world prejudice was rife and there'd have been hell on.
The headmistress of the local school is a black Asian, again this was an impossibility back then, and the guy who plays an ex Brigadeer in the British Army is the same.
I'm all for diversity but this load of nonsense, just lazily parachuting people of colour in without addressing it, is just ridiculous and does nothing foster inclusivity, which I imagine was the intention.
I'll admit I might be missing the point, as this is a fantasy drama, where you should maybe suspend belief, and the heroes of which are a law breaking, tax dodging family who are a complete disgrace.
But still ....
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sha66y choice of words out of date but you make a valid point
Inclusivity has gone mad. When I was a lad. Many many moons ago no one gave a monkeys about whether superman or Batman or any other super hero had a partner of any kind it was fictional
Why have Disney suddenly decided to give cartoon characters sexuality. It’s absolute nonsense
I can only assume that all this wokeism is going to continue to take over the world
Totally agree, Phil. The OP wasn't racist, it was an observation of what is an obvious agenda that isn't representative of how things are at this present time.
If they're suggesting that this is how things should be in family life, then I'd say they're being deeply disrespectful, particularly to black people.
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We are becoming a pure woke society that is so clean it's dirty.
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Might I add, we will be much worse under a Britain Surrendering Together society than a British Bulldog one.
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We are becoming a pure woke society that is so clean it's dirty.
I think the logic behind a change of culture of this type is to bypass those that find change difficult and help the younger ones that will accept a new normal where it doesn't matter what one looks like or where you are from it's how you help society to progress.
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It's become a fashion with advertising to feature mixed race families. These things go through phases. I remember when nearly advert had a hapless idiot husband who was always stupid and a smart wife who was always right.
It's the brands that want to make a statement about their values, Kellogs aren't sexist. McDonalds isn't racist. And in both cases we're modern brands hoping to appeal to a younger demographic. They will have all the data that tells them this will appeal to the consumers they want to attract.
If it upsets you, not to worry. It merely confirms you're past it and these businesses are no longer interested in you.
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It's become a fashion with advertising to feature mixed race families. These things go through phases. I remember when nearly advert had a hapless idiot husband who was always stupid and a smart wife who was always right.
It's the brands that want to make a statement about their values, Kellogs aren't sexist. McDonalds isn't racist. And in both cases we're modern brands hoping to appeal to a younger demographic. They will have all the data that tells them this will appeal to the consumers they want to attract.
If it upsets you, not to worry. It merely confirms you're past it and these businesses are no longer interested in you.
that about sums it up RD, we are often sating to each other, they're not aimed at us
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It's become a fashion with advertising to feature mixed race families. These things go through phases. I remember when nearly advert had a hapless idiot husband who was always stupid and a smart wife who was always right.
It's the brands that want to make a statement about their values, Kellogs aren't sexist. McDonalds isn't racist. And in both cases we're modern brands hoping to appeal to a younger demographic. They will have all the data that tells them this will appeal to the consumers they want to attract.
If it upsets you, not to worry. It merely confirms you're past it and these businesses are no longer interested in you.
Companies don't include minorities in their ads to be politically correct, they do it because they want them to buy their crap. That's the one and only reason they pay to make the bloody adverts in the first place.
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Glyn, the one thing we can be sure of with marketing and advertising, is it's all about the money.
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Simple answer. Don't buy their woke shit product that you probably don't need or want in any case.
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It’s the same as all this blind casting
The same people then cry out when gay people aren’t portrayed by gay people or people in wheel chairs are played by the able bodied or roles as Jewish people aren’t played by Jews
Sometimes it even difficult to make comment in case the incorrect words or descriptions are used.
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I think I’ll stick to calling them the “ coloured folk” because I know what the colour black looks like ( Darth Vador’s suit)
The coloured folk I’m referring to range from a very dark brown to a kind of warm coffee colour , none of which are unappealing to the eye…..so if you really insist on calling them black , feel free , but you do know your just being very silly and trying to belong in a world that is off kilter….
You have to seriously be racist minded to lump all the coloured folk into one bracket and call it black!
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"coloured" :ermm:
Says it all,really.
And the word you would use is………..?
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Nearly every advert on TV has a mixed race family in it, surely to god that doesn’t represent anything reasonably normal other than patronising the coloured folks!
I think you'd get a more positive response posting this on a Yorkshire CCC forum.
Why?
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Nearly every advert on TV has a mixed race family in it, surely to god that doesn’t represent anything reasonably normal other than patronising the coloured folks!
Shaggy, you were onto something with your original point. But that c word is classed as a racial slur in many parts of the world. Including the uk. Worthy of modification imho, and lesson learnt.
NR , that C word is the only word available when the range is so vast within that particular spectrum, we break down the other colours like sky blue to midnight blue!
Yet fear to do this with brown people ….so we call them “ BLACK.” …. Can you not see how bad that is?
They are not black, they are beautiful swaths of brown!
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Coloured, would in my eyes be fine had it not been used primarily to segregate people when racism was actually a legal standpoint. It has negative connotations to anyone it is used against, it’s used hand in hand with white supremacy. People of Colour I believe is the more accepted term.
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Coloured, would in my eyes be fine had it not been used primarily to segregate people when racism was actually a legal standpoint. It has negative connotations to anyone it is used against, it’s used hand in hand with white supremacy. People of Colour I believe is the more accepted term.
I guess then, with the range so vast that we're all coloured.
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Coloured, would in my eyes be fine had it not been used primarily to segregate people when racism was actually a legal standpoint. It has negative connotations to anyone it is used against, it’s used hand in hand with white supremacy. People of Colour I believe is the more accepted term.
I don’t think we had segregation in the UK,
when I first saw a coloured family move in next door I didn’t feel I needed to define them as Black…the father was a rich chocolate colour and his wife Chichi slightly lighter, in fact it was a beautiful coffee colour, their 3 daughters are not the same colour , the oldest is darker like her father and the other 2 are close to their mother….
None of them are black!
They are all differing variations of brown, and when we as a society can stop pigeon holing and incorrectly labelling other folk, we may get some balance back…
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Coloured, would in my eyes be fine had it not been used primarily to segregate people when racism was actually a legal standpoint. It has negative connotations to anyone it is used against, it’s used hand in hand with white supremacy. People of Colour I believe is the more accepted term.
I don’t think we had segregation in the UK,
when I first saw a coloured family move in next door I didn’t feel I needed to define them as Black…the father was a rich chocolate colour and his wife Chichi slightly lighter, in fact it was a beautiful coffee colour, their 3 daughters are not the same colour , the oldest is darker like her father and the other 2 are close to their mother….
None of them are black!
They are all differing variations of brown, and when we as a society can stop pigeon holing and incorrectly labelling other folk, we may get some balance back…
How would you describe yourself, Sha66y?
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Surely they just want to represent people who may buy their products, i.e every demographic. What’s the issue with it? Don’t you like seeing black people on TV?
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Oddly the 2 main references for a persons skin colour is white or black, and neither of them is an actual colour. No person is entirely white and the same for black, So on that basis I am assuming, the terms of white/black are referencing the colour of skin more closely associated to, but not specifically. Having a colour grading system of every hue would be ridiculous.
In my eyes the only time you need to mention someone’s skin colour is if you have been asked to describe another persons physical characteristics, which would be a pretty rare occasion. Using it as a point of reference in this day and age is outdated at best.
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I generally try to stay out of the off topic sewer these days, this thread is a reminder of why. f**king Dulux colour charting black people, did you get the calipers out and measure their skulls while you were at it? Lot of people in this thread saying woke with a hard r, as my wife says.
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Coloured, would in my eyes be fine had it not been used primarily to segregate people when racism was actually a legal standpoint. It has negative connotations to anyone it is used against, it’s used hand in hand with white supremacy. People of Colour I believe is the more accepted term.
I don’t think we had segregation in the UK,
when I first saw a coloured family move in next door I didn’t feel I needed to define them as Black…the father was a rich chocolate colour and his wife Chichi slightly lighter, in fact it was a beautiful coffee colour, their 3 daughters are not the same colour , the oldest is darker like her father and the other 2 are close to their mother….
None of them are black!
They are all differing variations of brown, and when we as a society can stop pigeon holing and incorrectly labelling other folk, we may get some balance back…
How would you describe yourself, Sha66y?
A creamy sheen that goes a pinky brown a couple of times a year…..but not white, snow is white and I’m a better shade of cream…
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Surely they just want to represent people who may buy their products, i.e every demographic. What’s the issue with it? Don’t you like seeing black people on TV?
I’m not that fussed to be honest…but mix raced families rolled out as if it’s the norm just feels like it’s being force fed…..
We have a lot of orientals in England yet the broadcasters seem to represent them very sparingly…..
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I generally try to stay out of the off topic sewer these days, this thread is a reminder of why. f**king Dulux colour charting black people, did you get the calipers out and measure their skulls while you were at it? Lot of people in this thread saying woke with a hard r, as my wife says.
Ignorance I take it is bliss in the MM household…..well done , good contribution!
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Oddly the 2 main references for a persons skin colour is white or black, and neither of them is an actual colour. No person is entirely white and the same for black, So on that basis I am assuming, the terms of white/black are referencing the colour of skin more closely associated to, but not specifically. Having a colour grading system of every hue would be ridiculous.
In my eyes the only time you need to mention someone’s skin colour is if you have been asked to describe another persons physical characteristics, which would be a pretty rare occasion. Using it as a point of reference in this day and age is outdated at best.
If for example someone at work comes to you and says, 'I've been told to ask for Bill', you then point to a group of three men stood talking together and say 'He's the black fellow over there', what's wrong with that? It's like saying ask the bloke with ginger hair. I don't see the problem, it's not abusive or anything.
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Coloured, would in my eyes be fine had it not been used primarily to segregate people when racism was actually a legal standpoint. It has negative connotations to anyone it is used against, it’s used hand in hand with white supremacy. People of Colour I believe is the more accepted term.
I don’t think we had segregation in the UK,
when I first saw a coloured family move in next door I didn’t feel I needed to define them as Black…the father was a rich chocolate colour and his wife Chichi slightly lighter, in fact it was a beautiful coffee colour, their 3 daughters are not the same colour , the oldest is darker like her father and the other 2 are close to their mother….
None of them are black!
They are all differing variations of brown, and when we as a society can stop pigeon holing and incorrectly labelling other folk, we may get some balance back…
How would you describe yourself, Sha66y?
A creamy sheen that goes a pinky brown a couple of times a year…..but not white, snow is white and I’m a better shade of cream…
So coloured then?
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So you are coloured then?
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Be careful having adult thoughts Axholme. You’re bound to offend someone who wants to be offended because they feel they should be
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So you are coloured then?
Coloured, would in my eyes be fine had it not been used primarily to segregate people when racism was actually a legal standpoint. It has negative connotations to anyone it is used against, it’s used hand in hand with white supremacy. People of Colour I believe is the more accepted term.
I don’t think we had segregation in the UK,
when I first saw a coloured family move in next door I didn’t feel I needed to define them as Black…the father was a rich chocolate colour and his wife Chichi slightly lighter, in fact it was a beautiful coffee colour, their 3 daughters are not the same colour , the oldest is darker like her father and the other 2 are close to their mother….
None of them are black!
They are all differing variations of brown, and when we as a society can stop pigeon holing and incorrectly labelling other folk, we may get some balance back…
How would you describe yourself, Sha66y?
A creamy sheen that goes a pinky brown a couple of times a year…..but not white, snow is white and I’m a better shade of cream…
So coloured then?
Coloured, would in my eyes be fine had it not been used primarily to segregate people when racism was actually a legal standpoint. It has negative connotations to anyone it is used against, it’s used hand in hand with white supremacy. People of Colour I believe is the more accepted term.
I don’t think we had segregation in the UK,
when I first saw a coloured family move in next door I didn’t feel I needed to define them as Black…the father was a rich chocolate colour and his wife Chichi slightly lighter, in fact it was a beautiful coffee colour, their 3 daughters are not the same colour , the oldest is darker like her father and the other 2 are close to their mother….
None of them are black!
They are all differing variations of brown, and when we as a society can stop pigeon holing and incorrectly labelling other folk, we may get some balance back…
How would you describe yourself, Sha66y?
A creamy sheen that goes a pinky brown a couple of times a year…..but not white, snow is white and I’m a better shade of cream…
So coloured then?
Yes..Coloured!
We are all coloured and there are no blacks or whites, just a melting pot , big enough for all the world and all it’s got…..
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So, calling someone 'coloured' is meaningless then?
Pointing to the 'coloured' lad over there, only begs the question, what colour?
It is confused, since black is shorthand for of African descent and Asian is a more acceptable term than brown.
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And you would have described the family who moved in next door to you as ‘coloured’ if they had the same skin tone as you?
And when you said ‘I think I’ll stick to calling them the “ coloured folk”, who are ‘them’?
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And you would have described the family who moved in next door to you as ‘coloured’ if they had the same skin tone as you?
And when you said ‘I think I’ll stick to calling them the “ coloured folk”, who are ‘them’?
You wouldn't describe anyone as being coloured. It's meaningless.
Describing someone as coloured then is shorthand for dark coloured, which is getting towards terms like 'darky' and so is discriminatory.
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I'm surprised people care, really surprised. I do think it's sad we have to purposefully represent differing people from society equally or in some different way in advertising and I'd be surprised if it made any difference. It then can sometimes feel forced, that has to be a genuine point.
The use of the term coloured I never really thought about as I grew up around that term, but when someone pointed out it offends some it made sense not to use it. It's not hard to avoid a phrase or term whether it really matters or not.
I do though find it interesting that certainly in America coloured and people of colour are phrases very commonly used.
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"coloured can refer to white people actually" is one of the most insane things I've ever read. My patience for this kind of disingenuous shit wore out 10 years ago, god bless anyone trying to engage this nonsense in good faith.
If we're all one big happy family and everyone is "coloured" there's really no point in crying about how many "coloured" people you see in adverts is there?
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To a degree it is a minefield, particularly for elderly people who are necessarily up to date with what is politically correct.
So 'black' is fine but 'blackie' is completely unacceptable. 'nigga' appears to be acceptable amongst some black communities but is completely unacceptable for anyone outside of it. Even Ali G. 'Coloured' is wrong but 'of colour' OK.
There is often no clear reason to it. So my 80 year old mum sometimes says 'coloured' but I assure you, she is in no way racist and would never want to offend anyone.
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It's about intent.
You can use a word through ignorance or by mistake and not mean offence.
Use a potentially offensive word in a message in which you're complaining that there's too many of "them" on the telly and you've got a job on arguing that you're not discriminatory.
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I think most people can understand if the older generation slip up and use outdated terms every now and then. It can be hard to get your head around, especially if you're from a traditionally white community.
Context is key. There's a big difference between some old dear who means well calling someone coloured and someone complaining that there are too many coloureds on TV.
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It is about intent but you get my point.
I've seen my Mum hesitate about calling someone black but feels coloured is unoffensive. I've explained it's the other way around but she forgets.
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It's about intent.
You can use a word through ignorance or by mistake and not mean offence.
Use a potentially offensive word in a message in which you're complaining that there's too many of "them" on the telly and you've got a job on arguing that you're not discriminatory.
Poor reasoning by someone of your ability, BST, and completely missing the point of the debate. Who has said there's too many of "them"? and what does "them" refer to? black people, white people, or adverts with mixed race families?
What there are too many of, are PC woke agendas by people up their own arses with their own self-importance, telling the rest of us, black and white, how we should live our lives.
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It's about intent.
You can use a word through ignorance or by mistake and not mean offence.
Use a potentially offensive word in a message in which you're complaining that there's too many of "them" on the telly and you've got a job on arguing that you're not discriminatory.
That is not the point of the discussion. But there you go again, accusing someone who isn’t one of your sycophants of something they simply haven’t done.
And you have the nerve to bang on about being misrepresented.
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SS.
Look at the OP. Do you read that as saying that their AREN'T too many "coloured" people on TV?
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SS.
Look at the OP. Do you read that as saying that their AREN'T too many "coloured" people on TV?
No; neither does it say there are. What it says is that there are too many adverts on TV with mixed race families.
I thought your understanding of semantics was better than this.
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Funny this should be brought up because family members and I were also mentioning this the other day. Not only that but it seems that rap music is now the music of choice for just about every advert. I find it incredulous too that it is permitted to have a music of black origin awards (MOBO) but the opposite wouldn't be allowed in a month of sundays.
I have no issue with music of afro-caribbean origin awards for example as it is highlighting music from a particular geographical area. But music of black origin clearly indicates a divide between people of colour IMO.
As for the word 'coloured' as used in the OP. Yes, it not appropriate to say that word in these times but i do not see why saying 'person of colour' is ok and yet 'coloured person' isn't.
Tonight for example on the Stockport v Bolton match. They had Alex Scott presenting along with Dion Dublin and Ashley Williams? Alex Scott gets on my nerves a bit but as for Dion and Ashley, not a problem. Both great blokes they seem but all a bit excessive IMO to prove a point it seems.
I have hidden disabilities but i don't see anybody on any adverts even with identifiable disabilities these days and IMO, people with disabilities are the most discriminated against. There is no representation at all for people with disabilities on tv or adverts. Black or white.
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Funny this should be brought up because family members and I were also mentioning this the other day. Not only that but it seems that rap music is now the music of choice for just about every advert. I find it incredulous too that it is permitted to have a music of black origin awards (MOBO) but the opposite wouldn't be allowed in a month of sundays.
I have no issue with music of afro-caribbean origin awards for example as it is highlighting music from a particular geographical area. But music of black origin clearly indicates a divide between people of colour IMO.
As for the word 'coloured' as used in the OP. Yes, it not appropriate to say that word in these times but i do not see why saying 'person of colour' is ok and yet 'coloured person' isn't.
Tonight for example on the Stockport v Bolton match. They had Alex Scott presenting along with Dion Dublin and Ashley Williams? Alex Scott gets on my nerves a bit but as for Dion and Ashley, not a problem. Both great blokes they seem but all a bit excessive IMO to prove a point it seems.
I have hidden disabilities but i don't see anybody on any adverts even with identifiable disabilities these days and IMO, people with disabilities are the most discriminated against. There is no representation at all for people with disabilities on tv or adverts.
In simplistic terms, Colin, ‘people of colour’ puts the person first, whereas ‘coloured people’ focuses on the colour of the person before the actual person.
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Funny this should be brought up because family members and I were also mentioning this the other day. Not only that but it seems that rap music is now the music of choice for just about every advert. I find it incredulous too that it is permitted to have a music of black origin awards (MOBO) but the opposite wouldn't be allowed in a month of sundays.
I have no issue with music of afro-caribbean origin awards for example as it is highlighting music from a particular geographical area. But music of black origin clearly indicates a divide between people of colour IMO.
As for the word 'coloured' as used in the OP. Yes, it not appropriate to say that word in these times but i do not see why saying 'person of colour' is ok and yet 'coloured person' isn't.
Tonight for example on the Stockport v Bolton match. They had Alex Scott presenting along with Dion Dublin and Ashley Williams? Alex Scott gets on my nerves a bit but as for Dion and Ashley, not a problem. Both great blokes they seem but all a bit excessive IMO to prove a point it seems.
I have hidden disabilities but i don't see anybody on any adverts even with identifiable disabilities these days and IMO, people with disabilities are the most discriminated against. There is no representation at all for people with disabilities on tv or adverts.
In simplistic terms, Colin, ‘people of colour’ puts the person first, whereas ‘coloured people’ focuses on the colour of the person before the actual person.
Ah i see. Thank you for pointing that out BR.
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Funny this should be brought up because family members and I were also mentioning this the other day. Not only that but it seems that rap music is now the music of choice for just about every advert. I find it incredulous too that it is permitted to have a music of black origin awards (MOBO) but the opposite wouldn't be allowed in a month of sundays.
I have no issue with music of afro-caribbean origin awards for example as it is highlighting music from a particular geographical area. But music of black origin clearly indicates a divide between people of colour IMO.
As for the word 'coloured' as used in the OP. Yes, it not appropriate to say that word in these times but i do not see why saying 'person of colour' is ok and yet 'coloured person' isn't.
Tonight for example on the Stockport v Bolton match. They had Alex Scott presenting along with Dion Dublin and Ashley Williams? Alex Scott gets on my nerves a bit but as for Dion and Ashley, not a problem. Both great blokes they seem but all a bit excessive IMO to prove a point it seems.
I have hidden disabilities but i don't see anybody on any adverts even with identifiable disabilities these days and IMO, people with disabilities are the most discriminated against. There is no representation at all for people with disabilities on tv or adverts.
In simplistic terms, Colin, ‘people of colour’ puts the person first, whereas ‘coloured people’ focuses on the colour of the person before the actual person.
Ah i see. Thank you for pointing that out BR.
I only learned that on here, a few months back.
It can be good for something, this forum.
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SS.
Look at the OP. Do you read that as saying that their AREN'T too many "coloured" people on TV?
No; neither does it say there are. What it says is that there are too many adverts on TV with mixed race families.
I thought your understanding of semantics was better than this.
Ahh, thanks for clearing that up. So. Not racist at all then.
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It should be encouraged having mixed race or black / ethnic people on tv and given the same exposure and opportunities as white people, as these groups of people are clearly under represented in the media.
It should also be encouraged to give disabled people equal opportunities also in mainstream media and adverts but nobody wants to do this.
Even f**king animals get on TV more than disabled people!!
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SS.
Look at the OP. Do you read that as saying that their AREN'T too many "coloured" people on TV?
No; neither does it say there are. What it says is that there are too many adverts on TV with mixed race families.
I thought your understanding of semantics was better than this.
Ahh, thanks for clearing that up. So. Not racist at all then.
No, not racist. It was an observation that the ratio of mixed race families on TV adverts does not reflect society. Some people have tried to engage in that observation, and also challenge the OP’s use of language. It’s worthy of discussion.
You, however, have decided that it meant something else in a bid to play the racist card.
You never change, do you?
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But then not so long ago it was all white bread families and few complained, except maybe people of colour
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This is one reason people are confused and apparently get it wrong
https://shadesofnoir.org.uk/people-of-colour-vs-black-people/
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Funny this should be brought up because family members and I were also mentioning this the other day. Not only that but it seems that rap music is now the music of choice for just about every advert. I find it incredulous too that it is permitted to have a music of black origin awards (MOBO) but the opposite wouldn't be allowed in a month of sundays.
I have no issue with music of afro-caribbean origin awards for example as it is highlighting music from a particular geographical area. But music of black origin clearly indicates a divide between people of colour IMO.
As for the word 'coloured' as used in the OP. Yes, it not appropriate to say that word in these times but i do not see why saying 'person of colour' is ok and yet 'coloured person' isn't.
Tonight for example on the Stockport v Bolton match. They had Alex Scott presenting along with Dion Dublin and Ashley Williams? Alex Scott gets on my nerves a bit but as for Dion and Ashley, not a problem. Both great blokes they seem but all a bit excessive IMO to prove a point it seems.
I have hidden disabilities but i don't see anybody on any adverts even with identifiable disabilities these days and IMO, people with disabilities are the most discriminated against. There is no representation at all for people with disabilities on tv or adverts. Black or white.
Well things like mobo were set up because the black artists didn't get recognition correctly in the other music awards. Maybe one day we won't need it and it will be inclusive enough in all events or the name will be changed to reflect something different.
I find your point on the football pundits strange. You thought that was a deliberate thing, I never been thought about it. I thought it was 3 valid pundits including an ex player of one of the teams (probably their most successful) one of the BBC's main hosts (I don't mind her but she is used too often) and another of their main pundits. That you mention it was 3 black people suggests there remains a problem. Frankly who cares?
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Nearly every advert on TV has a mixed race family in it, surely to god that doesn’t represent anything reasonably normal other than patronising the coloured folks!
Shaggy, you were onto something with your original point. But that c word is classed as a racial slur in many parts of the world. Including the uk. Worthy of modification imho, and lesson learnt.
NR , that C word is the only word available when the range is so vast within that particular spectrum, we break down the other colours like sky blue to midnight blue!
Yet fear to do this with brown people ….so we call them “ BLACK.” …. Can you not see how bad that is?
They are not black, they are beautiful swaths of brown!
The term you seek is BAME.
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There are some that live in my local area that still use the word “darkies”.
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FOBABAR.
I think the whole thing is summed up by this.
Fear of being accused of being a racist. The likes of the bbc are shit scared of mis or under representing anyone these days .
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The MOBO awards were initiated and aimed at specific gendre of music urban hip hop R and B reggae which I would suggest is a niche market in most cases and so wouldn’t get picked up for mainstream awards
The really great artists always get acknowledged
They are in reality no different to any other specific gendre awards like country music awards or folk awards
I don’t understand why you are suggesting that black artists don’t get recognised
Black artists who haven’t been recognised
M Jackson
Jackson 5
S Wonder
Drifters
Four tops
Stylistics
Temptations
D Ross
Supremes
M Reeve
M Gaye
Sade
R Crawford
Stormzy
Nina Simone
Gregory Porter
Mary J Blige
M Carey
A Franklyn
T Chapman
Nat king Cole
Beyonce
Rihanna
G Gaynor
Luther Vandross
Al Green
Gladys Knight
Prince
Barry White
J legend
P Williams
A Keyes
B Ocean
J Armatrading
W Houston
T Turner
B Holiday
J Hudson
The list goes on and on
All the magnificent blues guitarists
To suggest only non black artists get recognised is a nonsense
All the Motown artists
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Bob Marley
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FOBABAR.
I think the whole thing is summed up by this.
Fear of being accused of being a racist. The likes of the bbc are shit scared of mis or under representing anyone these days .
To a degree perhaps.
Eastenders for instance, is still out of date and unrepresentative of the communities found in East London today.
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FOBABAR.
I think the whole thing is summed up by this.
Fear of being accused of being a racist. The likes of the bbc are shit scared of mis or under representing anyone these days .
To a degree perhaps.
Eastenders for instance, is still out of date and unrepresentative of the communities found in East London today.
If Eastenders was truly representative of East London no-one would speak English! It would need subtitles.
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I would like to think that eastenders doesn’t represent true life in London otherwise the divorce courts would be inundated. The police domestic abuse officers would be permanently based there. Everyone would have a criminal record
It’s like going back 500 years to some seedy country village where they’re all related
No one’s got a tv and everyone’s always in the pub
Thank god London isn’t like that
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And you would have described the family who moved in next door to you as ‘coloured’ if they had the same skin tone as you?
And when you said ‘I think I’ll stick to calling them the “ coloured folk”, who are ‘them’?
You wouldn't describe anyone as being coloured. It's meaningless.
Describing someone as coloured then is shorthand for dark coloured, which is getting towards terms like 'darky' and so is discriminatory.
Now ya just being silly and trying to avoid the finger point!
If I said to anyone I know or have ever known , “ a coloured family has just moved in down the street” ….nobody would be confused …. ………or offended!
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And you would have described the family who moved in next door to you as ‘coloured’ if they had the same skin tone as you?
And when you said ‘I think I’ll stick to calling them the “ coloured folk”, who are ‘them’?
How PC could you possibly get…..?
A new family moved in next door = beige
A coloured family moved in next door = variations of glorious brown, perhaps a hint of coffee…
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"coloured can refer to white people actually" is one of the most insane things I've ever read. My patience for this kind of disingenuous shit wore out 10 years ago, god bless anyone trying to engage this nonsense in good faith.
If we're all one big happy family and everyone is "coloured" there's really no point in crying about how many "coloured" people you see in adverts is there?
Your ignorance of the subject matter is revelationary ….
I said the portrayal of mixed race families in nearly every advert is sending an incorrect message………not that there are too many coloured folk in adverts…
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It's about intent.
You can use a word through ignorance or by mistake and not mean offence.
Use a potentially offensive word in a message in which you're complaining that there's too many of "them" on the telly and you've got a job on arguing that you're not discriminatory.
Wrong!…wrong…
NOT TOO MANY OF THEM ON TELLY,!!
If every advert depicted a coloured family in whatever environment the advertisers found best to sell their product…I wouldn’t bat an eyelid, however the majority of adverts are now showing mixed race families……and they are not in the majority in any part of the world …….
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"coloured can refer to white people actually" is one of the most insane things I've ever read. My patience for this kind of disingenuous shit wore out 10 years ago, god bless anyone trying to engage this nonsense in good faith.
If we're all one big happy family and everyone is "coloured" there's really no point in crying about how many "coloured" people you see in adverts is there?
Your ignorance of the subject matter is revelationary ….
I said the portrayal of mixed race families in nearly every advert is sending an incorrect message………not that there are too many coloured folk in adverts…
What message would that be then? Buy our shit? It's an advert, designed to appeal to as many demographics as possible in a short time - ad space is expensive. That includes mixed race families. Our money spends the same way an all-white family's does, sorry that upsets you so much.
Your complaint is that there are too many mixed race families. Therefore if the families shown were all white you'd have no problem. Therefore you are upset about the number of non-white people on TV! At least have the balls to own it instead of making this meaningless distinction. Unless you're arguing if all adverts showed all black people you wouldn't care, which is obvious b*llocks.
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It's about intent.
You can use a word through ignorance or by mistake and not mean offence.
Use a potentially offensive word in a message in which you're complaining that there's too many of "them" on the telly and you've got a job on arguing that you're not discriminatory.
Wrong!…wrong…
NOT TOO MANY OF THEM ON TELLY,!!
If every advert depicted a coloured family in whatever environment the advertisers found best to sell their product…I wouldn’t bat an eyelid, however the majority of adverts are now showing mixed race families……and they are not in the majority in any part of the world …….
Then blame the advertising agencies. They decide what goes into their adverts, not the broadcasting stations.
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Yeah like they aren't trying to push an agenda much are they?! Tesco and the Santa Covid pass for example. Completely unacceptable.
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Yeah like they aren't trying to push an agenda much are they?! Tesco and the Santa Covid pass for example. Completely unacceptable.
Of course they are pushing an agenda. The amount of these families shown on TV in no way reflects the majority of Britain. Most families are not mixed race. They are generally one thing or the other. It's all about brain washing the younger generations, as if they don't get enough of that poison at school.
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It's about intent.
You can use a word through ignorance or by mistake and not mean offence.
Use a potentially offensive word in a message in which you're complaining that there's too many of "them" on the telly and you've got a job on arguing that you're not discriminatory.
Wrong!…wrong…
NOT TOO MANY OF THEM ON TELLY,!!
If every advert depicted a coloured family in whatever environment the advertisers found best to sell their product…I wouldn’t bat an eyelid, however the majority of adverts are now showing mixed race families……and they are not in the majority in any part of the world …….
Then blame the advertising agencies. They decide what goes into their adverts, not the broadcasting stations.
I’m sure the broadcasters would decide if the advert was acceptable…
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"coloured can refer to white people actually" is one of the most insane things I've ever read. My patience for this kind of disingenuous shit wore out 10 years ago, god bless anyone trying to engage this nonsense in good faith.
If we're all one big happy family and everyone is "coloured" there's really no point in crying about how many "coloured" people you see in adverts is there?
Your ignorance of the subject matter is revelationary ….
I said the portrayal of mixed race families in nearly every advert is sending an incorrect message………not that there are too many coloured folk in adverts…
What message would that be then? Buy our shit? It's an advert, designed to appeal to as many demographics as possible in a short time - ad space is expensive. That includes mixed race families. Our money spends the same way an all-white family's does, sorry that upsets you so much.
Your complaint is that there are too many mixed race families. Therefore if the families shown were all white you'd have no problem. Therefore you are upset about the number of non-white people on TV! At least have the balls to own it instead of making this meaningless distinction. Unless you're arguing if all adverts showed all black people you wouldn't care, which is obvious b*llocks.
Your extremes are very extreme!
White family advertising holidays for TUI , no probs!
Coloured family sat down at table enjoying Sunday lunch advertising Bisto, no probs!
Mixed race family advertising everything….. problem!
Transgender couple with lesbian daughter and Asian son watching old reruns of “ Love thy neighbour” ………big problem methinks
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I would like to think that eastenders doesn’t represent true life in London otherwise the divorce courts would be inundated. The police domestic abuse officers would be permanently based there. Everyone would have a criminal record
It’s like going back 500 years to some seedy country village where they’re all related
No one’s got a tv and everyone’s always in the pub
Thank god London isn’t like that
It's worse.
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There is room for everyone in this world, nobody needs to be prioritised we are all equal. You can’t change how people think, you can get only live your life by the values you believe in.
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Sha66y. Could you at least consider using the term ‘people of colour’ rather than ‘coloured people’?
Such a small ask, but so much more respectful.
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There are some that live in my local area that still use the word “darkies”.
I work with a bloke that until last year genuinely didn't realise it wasn't okay to use the word coon anymore.
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"coloured" :ermm:
Says it all,really.
And the word you would use is………..?
I don't segregate them by the colour of their skin...I just call them "people".
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Sha66y. Could you at least consider using the term ‘people of colour’ rather than ‘coloured people’?
Such a small ask, but so much more respectful.
Narrrrr!
I conform only when it makes sense, in this case it’s just juggling words, and when a person of colour says to my face “ please don’t call me a coloured person because I am a person of colour” ….then I might just sit down with him/her and have a discussion about it…..
But until that happens, and London/ Government stops dictating and controlling what is and isn’t in their opinion appropriate, the powers that be can kiss my honky white ass….
Or am I not allowed to call myself a honky because it might offend someone somewhere!
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"coloured" :ermm:
Says it all,really.
And the word you would use is………..?
I don't segregate them by the colour of their skin...I just call them "people".
If I read this out of context it appears that you are referring to “ THEM” as people as if that needed clarification!……
Context is the bane of written opinions on forums like these….but I know what you mean…..and your opinion is respected!
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I would like to think that eastenders doesn’t represent true life in London otherwise the divorce courts would be inundated. The police domestic abuse officers would be permanently based there. Everyone would have a criminal record
It’s like going back 500 years to some seedy country village where they’re all related
No one’s got a tv and everyone’s always in the pub
Thank god London isn’t like that
Dead right Phil, and no-one's got a washing machine either.
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It's about intent.
You can use a word through ignorance or by mistake and not mean offence.
Use a potentially offensive word in a message in which you're complaining that there's too many of "them" on the telly and you've got a job on arguing that you're not discriminatory.
Wrong!…wrong…
NOT TOO MANY OF THEM ON TELLY,!!
If every advert depicted a coloured family in whatever environment the advertisers found best to sell their product…I wouldn’t bat an eyelid, however the majority of adverts are now showing mixed race families……and they are not in the majority in any part of the world …….
Then blame the advertising agencies. They decide what goes into their adverts, not the broadcasting stations.
I’m sure the broadcasters would decide if the advert was acceptable…
''The Advertising Standards Authority (ASA) is the UK’s independent regulator of advertising across all media. We apply the Advertising Codes, which are written by the Committees of Advertising Practice''
https://www.asa.org.uk/
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I would like to think that eastenders doesn’t represent true life in London otherwise the divorce courts would be inundated. The police domestic abuse officers would be permanently based there. Everyone would have a criminal record
It’s like going back 500 years to some seedy country village where they’re all related
No one’s got a tv and everyone’s always in the pub
Thank god London isn’t like that
Albert Square is the last place you would want to be on Christmas Day, theres always a murder that day
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Have you ever been to Midsomer? I'm astonished there's never been a Royal Inquiry into the murder rate there.
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Oddly the 2 main references for a persons skin colour is white or black, and neither of them is an actual colour. No person is entirely white and the same for black, So on that basis I am assuming, the terms of white/black are referencing the colour of skin more closely associated to, but not specifically. Having a colour grading system of every hue would be ridiculous.
In my eyes the only time you need to mention someone’s skin colour is if you have been asked to describe another persons physical characteristics, which would be a pretty rare occasion. Using it as a point of reference in this day and age is outdated at best.
If for example someone at work comes to you and says, 'I've been told to ask for Bill', you then point to a group of three men stood talking together and say 'He's the black fellow over there', what's wrong with that? It's like saying ask the bloke with ginger hair. I don't see the problem, it's not abusive or anything.
There wouldn’t be a problem with that as you’re describing his physical appearance as stated in my original message.
However personally If Bill was stood on the left, I’d say he was the guy on the left, if he was in the middle I’d say he was the guy in the middle, if he was on the right… well, I think you get the picture.
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Oddly the 2 main references for a persons skin colour is white or black, and neither of them is an actual colour. No person is entirely white and the same for black, So on that basis I am assuming, the terms of white/black are referencing the colour of skin more closely associated to, but not specifically. Having a colour grading system of every hue would be ridiculous.
In my eyes the only time you need to mention someone’s skin colour is if you have been asked to describe another persons physical characteristics, which would be a pretty rare occasion. Using it as a point of reference in this day and age is outdated at best.
If for example someone at work comes to you and says, 'I've been told to ask for Bill', you then point to a group of three men stood talking together and say 'He's the black fellow over there', what's wrong with that? It's like saying ask the bloke with ginger hair. I don't see the problem, it's not abusive or anything.
I'd say that's innocent enough, but it's a throwback to an earlier time where (white) people saw the fact that someone was black as being their most distinctive feature. I'm from that generation and I do still have that built into me.
I'm not sure the younger generation has that to anything like that extent. When my eldest first went to secondary school, he met a new friend. He'd come home and talk about this friend. It was six months or so before I met him. He is black, but my young un had never once mentioned that when talking about him. It just isn't an issue. Just like it isn't when he thinks about his white British, Indian or East Asian schoolfriends.
There's a new world coming through and it feels a lot healthier.
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Have you ever been to Midsomer? I'm astonished there's never been a Royal Inquiry into the murder rate there.
I used to have a hankering to retire to Shetland, to get away from it all.
Not now though. You're not bloody safe up there.
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You're not safe anywhere and it will only get worse. In the cities it's gangs of youths and druggies, in the countryside you get a plague of g***os coming in thieving from all and sundry. Nothing and no-one is safe anymore, anywhere.
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Have you ever been to Midsomer? I'm astonished there's never been a Royal Inquiry into the murder rate there.
I used to have a hankering to retire to Shetland, to get away from it all.
Not now though. You're not bloody safe up there.
No point in stopping of in Newcastle either, I don't know how Ldr survives up there especially with all the reruns, they could use Vera's theme tune to empty the pubs at closing time.
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Your not even safe at a fancy dress party if you want to be B.A Barracass……unless you are a human of colour……( but that’s for another thread)
So in summing up we all have seen the adverts and they are ok