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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: Donny Exile in York on March 27, 2023, 09:57:01 am
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https://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/sport/football/dismal-doncaster-rovers-losing-their-identity-and-soul-amid-worrying-times-4079813
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Beat me to it. I was about to post this. Its 100% accurate of where we are and where we are heading. Very very sad indeed.
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It’s not just us who have noticed then.
When will the club wake up to this.
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https://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/sport/football/dismal-doncaster-rovers-losing-their-identity-and-soul-amid-worrying-times-4079813
A very true picture of how it was v Northampton and how it is at DRFC at present.
It’s so sad to read but it was an honest appraisal and needed reporting.
Is anyone going to do anything to arrest this slide though. Is anyone going to wake up to the reality that this coach needs to go NOW.
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https://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/sport/football/dismal-doncaster-rovers-losing-their-identity-and-soul-amid-worrying-times-4079813
A very true picture of how it was v Northampton and how it is at DRFC at present.
It’s so sad to read but it was an honest appraisal and needed reporting.
Is anyone going to do anything to arrest this slide though. Is anyone going to wake up to the reality that this coach needs to go NOW.
It's much deeper than the coach. Changing him and getting a new one is the equivalent to polishing a turd. It will bargin bucket polish.
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You just can’t argue with that at all, and yet we still sit here being totally pissed off and not a peep out of anyone at the club
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Come on Rovers, take a leaf from Tottenham and Conte, they realised it wasn't working so came to a mutual agreement!
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Queue social media video interview from the club making out everything is going to plan.
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It’s more than getting rid of the manager I’m not saying I like his tactics. But will any really good manager want this job.
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Its not just about the manager though - Schofield is just a reflection of Coppinger - they must BOTH go!
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There is no way out of this without major changes.
Smart people running the football operation who know how to recruit a talented, coherent, and physically capable bunch of players.
Comms and marketing people who know how to drum up anticipation, ticket sales and can help to generate a feeling of honesty, transparency and togetherness. "If everyone brought a friend we'd have 50% extra ticket income" isn't a strategy, and isn't good enough.
Changes to the stadium and whole match day experience - cleanliness, maintenance, catering, and ideas to make it feel less like a cavernous empty bowl of red seats (in person and on TV - what must floating fans in the town think when they see the goals on TV and there are 12 people visible in the East Stand?)
A re-vamp of online systems and customer service - ticket website is clunky and if anything doesn't work, there are no solutions forthcoming. "Just call the box office" isn't good enough and this friction will make casual fans/visitors just give up and will be costing us ticket sales, no doubt.
All the above requires effort and investment, and above all an acceptance that things aren't good enough. Will we get that from the current board and senior leadership staff? Judging by their media output and the MTO answers, I won't hold my breath.
I won't even get on to the Head Coach. That needs its own dissertation.
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Like one of our fans had written it.
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More like what several fans have already written on this forum. This smells of lazy journalism all lifted from here
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More like what several fans have already written on this forum. This smells of lazy journalism all lifted from here
...or Mr Wobschall is an experienced and diligent reporter who covers our club and is aware of the wider issues and feeling within the fanbase?
He's from round here as well I believe, so will have his ear to the ground no doubt.
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More like what several fans have already written on this forum. This smells of lazy journalism all lifted from
Sorry ravenrover disagree with you.
He is a good sports journalist and as has been said will have his ear to the ground and will have done his homework before writing that piece.
Let’s face it everything he said was bang on the mark.
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Sometimes you must feel damned if you do and damned if you don't as a reporter in these situations.
If he'd come out with a straight-bat match report and not acknowledged our problems, I'm sure folk would be saying he hasn't done his research and that a regional journalist should be equipped with sufficient knowledge to put the game in context.
I personally think he's encapsulated the feeling at the club and packaged it in a well written piece there.
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More like what several fans have already written on this forum. This smells of lazy journalism all lifted from
Sorry ravenrover disagree with you.
He is a good sports journalist and as has been said will have his ear to the ground and will have done his homework before writing that piece.
Let’s face it everything he said was bang on the mark.
And everything he said has already been said on here
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More like what several fans have already written on this forum. This smells of lazy journalism all lifted from
Sorry ravenrover disagree with you.
He is a good sports journalist and as has been said will have his ear to the ground and will have done his homework before writing that piece.
Let’s face it everything he said was bang on the mark.
And everything he said has already been said on here
So what should he have written then?
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More like what several fans have already written on this forum. This smells of lazy journalism all lifted from here
The journalist in question was at the Keepmoat on Saturday and is well versed on the position at Donny, so stick your conspiracy theories up your proverbial. Even when it is to the point with feeling yes it probably does capture alot of what people as saying on here, because that is stark and the reality of the situation. You sit in your cave then or with your head in the sand, looking ridiculous in complete denial of reality. Its not lazy journalism, its idiotic fans in denial that's the real issue. Your outnumbered more and more, more and more alienated in your view. Time to wake up and smell the coffee or become the forum laughing stock.
I was in the East stand on Saturday and i couldn't believe how empty both the south stand and west stand looked, very worrying and if action isan't taken, it will probably be even more desolate next season.
I think that we needed and need an experienced manager who is results focused and got a track record of promotions out of this division (e.g. a Darren Ferguson, a Steve Evans) and the fact that we haven't, and the board have appointed the opposite again tells its own story of the board's plans and ambition.
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You just can’t argue with that at all, and yet we still sit here being totally pissed off and not a peep out of anyone at the club
It’s more than getting rid of the manager I’m not saying I like his tactics. But will any really good manager want this job.
I would say yes, if the board of directors show more ambition, enthusiasm,
forward thinking, & sell the club to any decent applicant, or even one we went after, they're out there. Sadly, I think that ships sailed.
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You just can’t argue with that at all, and yet we still sit here being totally pissed off and not a peep out of anyone at the club
It’s more than getting rid of the manager I’m not saying I like his tactics. But will any really good manager want this job.
I would say yes, if the board of directors show more ambition, enthusiasm,
forward thinking, & sell the club to any decent applicant, or even one we went after, they're out there. Sadly, I think that ships sailed.
Who is there of any decent calibre that would seriously consider risky their careers under this board? A board who repeatedly pat their selves on the back for not having to input funds into the club whilst simultaneously engaging in actions that reduce crowds and the clubs budget. Then when their strategy reaches its natural conclusion the manager gets blames by them and the supporters they have managed to gas light?
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Not much to add, except I wish it had come about 12 months sooner. A very good piece as most have already said and, like I have said on other threads, if the Club is not for investing more financial help, then fair enough, but just changing the manager/coach is pointless. There is a total lack of quality throughout this squad and the first thing any manager (worth his salt) will want is squad re-enforcement. Change from the top needed or suffer the consequences. Simple as that.
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More like what several fans have already written on this forum. This smells of lazy journalism all lifted from here
...or Mr Wobschall is an experienced and diligent reporter who covers our club and is aware of the wider issues and feeling within the fanbase?
He's from round here as well I believe, so will have his ear to the ground no doubt.
I know all his family very well. They all say things as they are, and he would have no need to "look on here" and become a lazy Journo. He is from Doncaster ( as you say).
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Ranting on here is one thing, but when it’s reported further afield then someone somewhere has to take note.
This should hurt those pulling the strings the most.
And I fully expect this to be referenced in upcoming interviews.
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More like what several fans have already written on this forum. This smells of lazy journalism all lifted from here
The journalist in question was at the Keepmoat on Saturday and is well versed on the position at Donny, so stick your conspiracy theories up your proverbial. Even when it is to the point with feeling yes it probably does capture alot of what people as saying on here, because that is stark and the reality of the situation. You sit in your cave then or with your head in the sand, looking ridiculous in complete denial of reality. Its not lazy journalism, its idiotic fans in denial that's the real issue. Your outnumbered more and more, more and more alienated in your view. Time to wake up and smell the coffee or become the forum laughing stock.
I was in the East stand on Saturday and i couldn't believe how empty both the south stand and west stand looked, very worrying and if action isan't taken, it will probably be even more desolate next season.
I think that we needed and need an experienced manager who is results focused and got a track record of promotions out of this division (e.g. a Darren Ferguson, a Steve Evans) and the fact that we haven't, and the board have appointed the opposite again tells its own story of the board's plans and ambition.
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Where did I say it wasn't correct, where is my denial that the situation is shocking?
I agree with the things he talks the article but as I said all been previously said on here
Try using your eyes and thinking with your brain not your fingers and since you mention it my cave is very comfortable thanks
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It's a reasonable observation and one that we don't really need reminding of when we're living it week in week out.
Whatever period we choose to compare our fortunes to, there are some things that aren't as bad as some make out but, no matter what we say, the solutions are as elusive as a common opinion or any potential new investors.
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Its not just about the manager though - Schofield is just a reflection of Coppinger - they must BOTH go!
Then we're back in the position of Blunt and co picking our manager and the circus resumes.
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More like what several fans have already written on this forum. This smells of lazy journalism all lifted from here
The journalist in question was at the Keepmoat on Saturday and is well versed on the position at Donny, so stick your conspiracy theories up your proverbial. Even when it is to the point with feeling yes it probably does capture alot of what people as saying on here, because that is stark and the reality of the situation. You sit in your cave then or with your head in the sand, looking ridiculous in complete denial of reality. Its not lazy journalism, its idiotic fans in denial that's the real issue. Your outnumbered more and more, more and more alienated in your view. Time to wake up and smell the coffee or become the forum laughing stock.
I was in the East stand on Saturday and i couldn't believe how empty both the south stand and west stand looked, very worrying and if action isan't taken, it will probably be even more desolate next season.
I think that we needed and need an experienced manager who is results focused and got a track record of promotions out of this division (e.g. a Darren Ferguson, a Steve Evans) and the fact that we haven't, and the board have appointed the opposite again tells its own story of the board's plans and ambition.
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Where did I say it wasn't correct, where is my denial that the situation is shocking?
I agree with the things he talks the article but as I said all been previously said on here
Try using your eyes and thinking with your brain not your fingers and since you mention it my cave is very comfortable thanks
You tried to dismiss it as lazy journalism which it quite frankly isan't so that is trying to dismiss it, now you appear to be back tracking, as i say, you are becoming more and more alienated in your views and defence of the indefensible.
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Ranting on here is one thing, but when it’s reported further afield then someone somewhere has to take note.
This should hurt those pulling the strings the most.
And I fully expect this to be referenced in upcoming interviews.
I know one thing, being a mere supporter, if it was my club & I read reports like the Yorkshire Post one & took notice of our excellent fanbase, ( that they have helped create), I would be on it like a ton of bricks.
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The flat earth brown nosers are noticeable by their absence I see.
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I hope everyone connected to the club, sits up and takes notice, however tbh I don’t think they give 2 shits about the fans and reporters reviews.
Can’t we do something about it?
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I hope everyone connected to the club, sits up and takes notice, however tbh I don’t think they give 2 shits about the fans and reporters reviews.
Can’t we do something about it?
Football is nothing without fans.
Just saying,
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It's a reasonable observation and one that we don't really need reminding of when we're living it week in week out.
Whatever period we choose to compare our fortunes to, there are some things that aren't as bad as some make out but, no matter what we say, the solutions are as elusive as a common opinion or any potential new investors.
The article isn't just reminding us though, Baz. It's going out to Yorkshire Post readers, which I understand has a significant circulation throughout Yorkshire and further afield.
We really are becoming a laughing stock to all and sundry, and if this article doesn't make the board feel ashamed and embarrassed then nothing will.
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It’s a good artical but for some reason I have always sensed an anti-Rovers tone from this guy over the years. I can’t explain it, it might just be me but I have always had a sense he doesn’t really like us.
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Do we still have access through SM to those who run the club? If so can we hear from SM what can be done and what pressure we can put on them?
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It's a reasonable observation and one that we don't really need reminding of when we're living it week in week out.
Whatever period we choose to compare our fortunes to, there are some things that aren't as bad as some make out but, no matter what we say, the solutions are as elusive as a common opinion or any potential new investors.
The article isn't just reminding us though, Baz. It's going out to Yorkshire Post readers, which I understand has a significant circulation throughout Yorkshire and further afield.
We really are becoming a laughing stock to all and sundry, and if this article doesn't make the board feel ashamed and embarrassed then nothing will.
No you aren't a laughing stock Steve , everyone of the Yorkshire clubs have gone through grim times at one time or another , I can remember the Blades in the 4th division , Leeds in league one and so forth .
Most fans will understand the current situation because we've had it ourselves .
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Do we still have access through SM to those who run the club? If so can we hear from SM what can be done and what pressure we can put on them?
At this point I’m not confident whatsoever that anything said to SM is anywhere close to the truth, and more to just appease us sadly.
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Some very unfair comments pointed towards SM . For what it’s worth, the members of the SB, whom SM is no longer a member I hasten to add, give their time freely. You only have to read the minutes of their meetings to see what is discussed when they meet. What is discussed is documented and is there for all to see on the club website.
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What he’s saying might sound similar to others on this forum because it’s the truth. Lots of people will look at us and come to the same conclusions.
This is why our failure to act is so frustrating. Mistakes are made, it’s fine, it’s normal. Just move on and learn from it don’t hide behind the mistake hoping it might miraculously turn into a great decision
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Normal - who exactly is being unfair to SM? I have simply asked that we activate the connection we have with the hierarchy to try and put to them how serious the situation is and how strong the feeling is about what is happening.
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Normal - who exactly is being unfair to SM? I have simply asked that we activate the connection we have with the hierarchy to try and put to them how serious the situation is and how strong the feeling is about what is happening.
Whilst I’m not on the SB myself, I know someone very well who is. And I can assure you the board are fully aware of the predicament and fan sentiment.
Ask yourself this. If you were a member, or an ex member of drfc SB, and you were good friends with, let’s say, Gavin Baldwin, would you come on a 4th tier footy forum and air your grievances towards the board?
I know I wouldn’t.
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More like what several fans have already written on this forum. This smells of lazy journalism all lifted from here
The journalist in question was at the Keepmoat on Saturday and is well versed on the position at Donny, so stick your conspiracy theories up your proverbial. Even when it is to the point with feeling yes it probably does capture alot of what people as saying on here, because that is stark and the reality of the situation. You sit in your cave then or with your head in the sand, looking ridiculous in complete denial of reality. Its not lazy journalism, its idiotic fans in denial that's the real issue. Your outnumbered more and more, more and more alienated in your view. Time to wake up and smell the coffee or become the forum laughing stock.
I was in the East stand on Saturday and i couldn't believe how empty both the south stand and west stand looked, very worrying and if action isan't taken, it will probably be even more desolate next season.
I think that we needed and need an experienced manager who is results focused and got a track record of promotions out of this division (e.g. a Darren Ferguson, a Steve Evans) and the fact that we haven't, and the board have appointed the opposite again tells its own story of the board's plans and ambition.
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Where did I say it wasn't correct, where is my denial that the situation is shocking?
I agree with the things he talks the article but as I said all been previously said on here
Try using your eyes and thinking with your brain not your fingers and since you mention it my cave is very comfortable thanks
You tried to dismiss it as lazy journalism which it quite frankly isan't so that is trying to dismiss it, now you appear to be back tracking, as i say, you are becoming more and more alienated in your views and defence of the indefensible.
You have a very strange imagination, my comment was made at my perception after reading the article that it was lifted/based on comnents made on this Forum, nothing you have said makes me change my opinion. I'm sorry it doesn't match with your opinion. I still fail to see how you interpret my opinion as a defence of the indefensible it was purely regarding the origin of the detail of the article.
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Ranting on here is one thing, but when it’s reported further afield then someone somewhere has to take note.
This should hurt those pulling the strings the most.
And I fully expect this to be referenced in upcoming interviews.
I know one thing, being a mere supporter, if it was my club & I read reports like the Yorkshire Post one & took notice of our excellent fanbase, ( that they have helped create), I would be on it like a ton of bricks.
Well said. But the reality is these owners don't give a stuff.
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I am not sure the owners will read or be bothered about the article.
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Does anyone in the hierarchy at DRFC read the posts on this forum
This forum is not the Netto brigade.
The vast majority are long term genuine die hard supporters.
If these posts are never seen by the Board / CEO then they should have this forum put firmly in front them to read.
If they are satisfied with the status quo & are not going to take the action required then mark my word we are on the slippery slope back to non league football where we may never recover from.
Action required
1) Sack DS immediately.
2) Head hunt a proven League 2 & League 1 manager.
Someone experienced with a CV of success, preferably a promotion on that CV.
To get that man might mean offering a higher salary / Bonus incentive
Give the manager the budget he needs to give him the best chance of promotion out of this league and a budget that makes us very competitive in the league above.
Give him the tools available. That’s allow him to bring in an assistant manager / coach.
3) implement a development team U21’s or U23’s to play regular competitive matches.
Yes this all costs money. So if that means investing more then do it.
What’s the point of being custodians of a football club, make it self sustainable and then run the football playing operation into the ground by appointing rookie Head Coach’s with no experience. Having a budget that’s not even play off level in League 2
If the plan is to sell the club on at some point, how does it become more attractive to a potential buyer if the Club is playing non league football as against playing League 1 football.
The only way to long term success is invest in a plan as above which gives the best possible opportunity to achieve that success.
Are this board going to do that or have they lost all interest in seeing DRFC achieving its potential?
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I am not sure the owners will read or be bothered about the article.
Think again.
They will have read it.
It will be of concern to them.
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I very much hope Copps is and has been for a while headhunting a Replacement manager/Head Coach. If he isn't God help us.
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Does anyone in the hierarchy at DRFC read the posts on this forum
This forum is not the Netto brigade.
The vast majority are long term genuine die hard supporters.
If these posts are never seen by the Board / CEO then they should have this forum put firmly in front them to read.
If they are satisfied with the status quo & are not going to take the action required then mark my word we are on the slippery slope back to non league football where we may never recover from.
Action required
1) Sack DS immediately.
2) Head hunt a proven League 2 & League 1 manager.
Someone experienced with a CV of success, preferably a promotion on that CV.
To get that man might mean offering a higher salary / Bonus incentive
Give the manager the budget he needs to give him the best chance of promotion out of this league and a budget that makes us very competitive in the league above.
Give him the tools available. That’s allow him to bring in an assistant manager / coach.
3) implement a development team U21’s or U23’s to play regular competitive matches.
Yes this all costs money. So if that means investing more then do it.
What’s the point of being custodians of a football club, make it self sustainable and then run the football playing operation into the ground by appointing rookie Head Coach’s with no experience. Having a budget that’s not even play off level in League 2
If the plan is to sell the club on at some point, how does it become more attractive to a potential buyer if the Club is playing non league football as against playing League 1 football.
The only way to long term success is invest in a plan as above which gives the best possible opportunity to achieve that success.
Are this board going to do that or have they lost all interest in seeing DRFC achieving its potential?
The point that was being made last week is that we are not self-sustainable, we are sustainable. The two are different.
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I am not sure the owners will read or be bothered about the article.
Think again.
I hope your right but the feel from the recent meet the owners and website statements suggest that they think they are doing a great job and they trust the whole process and everyone involved. Head in the sand... is the way I see it.
They will have read it.
It will be of concern to them.
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Normal - who exactly is being unfair to SM? I have simply asked that we activate the connection we have with the hierarchy to try and put to them how serious the situation is and how strong the feeling is about what is happening.
Whilst I’m not on the SB myself, I know someone very well who is. And I can assure you the board are fully aware of the predicament and fan sentiment.
Ask yourself this. If you were a member, or an ex member of drfc SB, and you were good friends with, let’s say, Gavin Baldwin, would you come on a 4th tier footy forum and air your grievances towards the board?
I know I wouldn’t.
THIS in spades.
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Exclusive interview tomorrow with Coppinger
#DRFC fans see Wednesday's @YPSport for an exclusive interview with @Coppinger26 about the fans' frustrations and what he is trying to do about them as head of football operations
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Can’t wait for these pearls of wisdom!! Judging by the last one it isn’t going to be great or what we want to hear. I sense propaganda. “Trust in the process”.
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If he goes on the defensive, that would be foolish to do just before we play and likely fail to beat one of the division's worst sides in Crewe.
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https://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/sport/football/leeds-united/doncaster-rovers-exclusive-part-two-james-coppinger-is-swimming-against-the-tide-most-days-but-weve-started-the-ball-rolling-4083372
Not sure the owners will like it. Feels like a bit of a grumble on budget and investment to me.
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Interesting that we are 12th and that reflects the budget we have
Is a mid table L2 budget really good enough?
What’s that going to be next year.
Desperate for some new direction and ambition.
And why was our deluded chairman telling us we would bounce back decisively on a mid table budget.
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I don’t think he’d speak of greater investment and bigger budgets unless that had already been agreed for next season
Let’s hope that’s the case
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I don’t think he’d speak of greater investment and bigger budgets unless that had already been agreed for next season
Let’s hope that’s the case
Let’s hope so. I think SM also hinted something was in place for next season but i can’t remember which thread it was in.
Whatever it is let’s hope it’s significant but I worry our boards view on significant doesn’t match what is actually needed, especially when the league will be stronger next year.
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Also I see how Copps has again mentioned the guy at the meet the owners who was honest enough to say it’s a challenge getting his young son to games …Copps again saying you should support your team win or lose.
He’s completely missing the point with that!!
These kids are the clubs future, mine is 5 and I have got him a ST for next year. If he says he doesn’t want to come he won’t be coming, you can’t force them. I don’t get his attitude on that one it should be a warning sign.
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The problem is the base we are now working from. The slide has been on-going for far too long with little tweaks along the way that havn’t addressed the need to get in some real quality into the first team. Then there’s the manager!
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“Success is having a clear plan and sticking to it”. Absolute b*llocks. That’s the quickest way to failure. Success is having a plan but also awareness and adaptability to get there in the long run. Sticking to it rigidly regardless is madness and the fastest way to a P45. As others have said, this process is like a cult that they’re trying to brainwash everyone with and it’s this hill they’re willing to die on. Crazy!!
It really is draining for all concerned now.
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Not denying we need investment in the club as a whole, but Carlisle, Stevenage and Northampton also have average League 2 playing budgets. Spend smart and be accountable Copps.
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Not denying we need investment in the club as a whole, but Carlisle, Stevenage and Northampton also have average League 2 playing budgets. Spend smart and be accountable Copps.
exactly. I honestly believe that if we had the top budget in League 2 that this joker wouldn’t get us promoted. I think he’s that bad. He’s no right being our manager. The football served up win lose or draw is disgustingly bad.
This is an entertainment business where the aim is to score goals!!!!
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The continuous misrepresentation of the playing budget really is draining. I’ve long ignored what comes out of the club and judged it on the calibre and quality of the signings.
I personally ignored the “budget to bounce back decisively” message, but for it now to become an average mid table budget is a little insulting to supporter’s intelligence.
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Not denying we need investment in the club as a whole, but Carlisle, Stevenage and Northampton also have average League 2 playing budgets. Spend smart and be accountable Copps.
exactly. I honestly believe that if we had the top budget in League 2 that this joker wouldn’t get us promoted. I think he’s that bad. He’s no right being our manager. The football served up win lose or draw is disgustingly bad.
This is an entertainment business where the aim is to score goals!!!!
Bang on
I wouldn’t trust DS with a 7 million playing budget in this league.
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The interview comes over as a typical one that Copps would do.
He always speaks well and with positivity.
I know him and like him but I feel that he will be frustrated when he doesn’t get sufficient backing to help him achieve what he wants.
Bounce back decisively on a mid table budget was unlikely to happen and further reinforces my thoughts that the supporter base being duped.
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“Success is having a clear plan and sticking to it”. Absolute b*llocks. That’s the quickest way to failure. Success is having a plan but also awareness and adaptability to get there in the long run. Sticking to it rigidly regardless is madness and the fastest way to a P45. As others have said, this process is like a cult that they’re trying to brainwash everyone with and it’s this hill they’re willing to die on. Crazy!!
It really is draining for all concerned now.
Agreed, Cramby10. The only way that having a clear plan would be successful is if that plan is designed to address the problems that have put us where we are. So, tell us more about the plan and see if that's what it does because if what we're seeing played out in game after game is 'the plan' then we're up the creek.
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Gillingham and Crawley, since their new owners arrived have invested heavily.
So that is 2 Clubs that have overtaken us on budget since the start of the season.
So about 10th to 12th now will have been higher in August.
Behind the top 6 budgets I would suggest that there will be very little difference in the next 6 clubs budgets.
In August, Salford, Bradford, Stockport, Swindon, Mansfield & Leyton Orient will be top 6 i suspect.
Then there will be a group of clubs, Northampton, Wimbledon, Doncaster, Tranmere, Carlisle,Grimsby & Walsall where there was very little difference in budgets in August.
Gillingham definitely now be top 6 and possibly Crawley ( not too sure about how high Crawley would rank ) since their new owners have come in and invested large sums into the Club.
So I would suggest we were very near to a top 7 budget if not having one at the beginning of the season.
Whatever the budget 7th or 12th is no excuse for the drivel we have been served up this last 2 seasons and 2 months since Late January 2021.
Whatever budgets have been almost all of it was frittered away on dross by RW which led to a relegation that wasn’t expected in August 2021 at the start of that season.
We have since recruited better in 2022 but there are missing pieces of the jigsaw.
The major fault though lies in appointing 2 rookie managers in GmS & DS who do not have the experience and tactical acumen to set up a team in League 1 or league 2 to be successful.
Yes the budget may not be where we would like it to be or even expect it to be big any Manager & emphasis the title Manager not Coach worth his salt would have got this group of players performing very much better than what we have seen this season.
With the players we have we should be set up to attack.
We only really saw the capability of this team at Grimsby and at home to Carlisle. The ability is there but DS insistence on playing this formation and style has been sussed by every opposing team.
We are so predictable and easy to play against.
Copps needs to get a grip on this, don’t make excuses of budget and injuries. Most clubs have those same issues.
We need a Manager who is capable of achieving results and providing some modicum of entertainment for or beleaguered fans.
There is no way i see that person being DS.
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Let’s assume Wrexham and Notts County come up.
That League 1’s current bottom 4 come down.
And that the current top 4 of Leyton Orient, Stevenage, Carlisle and Northampton are promoted.
League 2 would have:
Wrexham, Bradford, Notts, Stockport, Salford, Swindon, Mansfield, Gillingham, Crawley, Forest Green.
That’s 10 clubs easily above us in terms of budget.
Then you would pool us with another 6.
Cambridge, Morcambe, Walsall, Grimsby, Tranmere, Wimbledon.
Underperforming for our budget next season and assuming everybody else performs how they “should” would put us 17th and below.
Is that really a situation for a rookie manager with a very questionable system and playing style to continue? Based on the table for since he took over we are bottom third and getting worse, with no signs of let up. Are we all prepared to continue with this massive risk?
Yes people will say “he can strengthen the squad in the summer”. But so can those 16 clubs with similar or bigger budgets than us.
Also factor in that everybody will know EXACTLY how we are going to set up and how to nullify it.
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The lack of budget is a major contributor to our demise, not an excuse. I agree with your thoughts about the manager, but you simply can’t divorce that topic without including the quality of our squad, which bears no relationship to the one that so nearly had us in the L1 play-off final a few seasons ago. It’s pitiful.
Copps has told us we havn’t even got 8 players that can see us through 40 odd games!
Unless and until we get the investment right, it won’t matter who the manager is, we’re only going one way.
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Also I see how Copps has again mentioned the guy at the meet the owners who was honest enough to say it’s a challenge getting his young son to games …Copps again saying you should support your team win or lose.
That was me. I actually worry that taking kids to the Rovers at the moment could have a negative effect on their chances of becoming long-term supporters. My oldest lad is twelve and has had a season ticket since he was five so Rovers are very much his team but he has been apathetic at best this season.
He's absolutely football mad; on the occasion that I mentioned at the MTO event he'd had football training after school and said he'd rather have a soak in the bath than go to the Rovers!
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The lack of budget is a major contributor to our demise, not an excuse. I agree with your thoughts about the manager, but you simply can’t divorce that topic without including the quality of our squad, which bears no relationship to the one that so nearly had us in the L1 play-off’s a few seasons ago. It’s pitiful.
Copps has told us we havn’t even got 8 players that can see us through 40 odd games!
Unless and until we get the investment right, it won’t matter who the manager is, we’re only going one way.
That squad of DM was full of loan players though Alan. So while I agree we are short on the quality needed for top 3 in this league even if we get that in the summer do you trust DS to be capable of achieving it?
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It was McCann who got us in the play-off semi’s, not DM.
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Rovers future success, as it stands is reliant on a huge dose of good luck and the process that DS subscribes to.
It’s not looking good .
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It was McCann who got us in the play-off semi’s, not DM.
I thought you were referring to us being 2nd in the league at Christmas in 20/21 season under DM
Which ever Alan we have nosedived alarmingly. I have no faith this guy has the capability to turn it around.
Yes the budget is a major concern. But I stand by my comment that any Manager worth his salt would have turned this team into a top 7 one. The attacking threat DS’s style of play imposes on the opposition is nothing short of laughable. Well it would be if it was funny.
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It was McCann who got us in the play-off semi’s, not DM.
I thought you were referring to us being 2nd in the league at Christmas in 20/21 season under DM
Which ever Alan we have nosedived alarmingly. I have no faith this guy has the capability to turn it around.
Yes the budget is a major concern. But I stand by my comment that any Manager worth his salt would have turned this team into a top 7 one. The attacking threat DS’s style of play imposes on the opposition is nothing short of laughable. Well it would be if it was funny.
absolutely. 0.8 goals per game and 10 shots on target in 6 matches is not acceptable in any way shape or form.
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Oh. And the 6th worst goal difference!!
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Does he honestly believe that fans should have considered the play-offs an ‘unbelievable achievement’?
I thought the aim was always to bounce back convincingly.
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The problem is since MTO the football has, on a game by game basis deteriorated to the point where I really can’t see where we get a win.
Unless there are big plans for next season we are fckd.
I’ve backed the manager but I can’t see what he is hoping to achieve with his selection and formation. The only way of getting some interest for the last few weeks is blooding the kids and giving them freedom to play
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Let’s assume Wrexham and Notts County come up.
That League 1’s current bottom 4 come down.
And that the current top 4 of Leyton Orient, Stevenage, Carlisle and Northampton are promoted.
League 2 would have:
Wrexham, Bradford, Notts, Stockport, Salford, Swindon, Mansfield, Gillingham, Crawley, Forest Green.
That’s 10 clubs easily above us in terms of budget.
Then you would pool us with another 6.
Cambridge, Morcambe, Walsall, Grimsby, Tranmere, Wimbledon.
Underperforming for our budget next season and assuming everybody else performs how they “should” would put us 17th and below.
Is that really a situation for a rookie manager with a very questionable system and playing style to continue? Based on the table for since he took over we are bottom third and getting worse, with no signs of let up. Are we all prepared to continue with this massive risk?
Yes people will say “he can strengthen the squad in the summer”. But so can those 16 clubs with similar or bigger budgets than us.
Also factor in that everybody will know EXACTLY how we are going to set up and how to nullify it.
I’m not sure forest green, Crawley and Swindon have easily bigger budgets than us
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Let’s assume Wrexham and Notts County come up.
That League 1’s current bottom 4 come down.
And that the current top 4 of Leyton Orient, Stevenage, Carlisle and Northampton are promoted.
League 2 would have:
Wrexham, Bradford, Notts, Stockport, Salford, Swindon, Mansfield, Gillingham, Crawley, Forest Green.
That’s 10 clubs easily above us in terms of budget.
Then you would pool us with another 6.
Cambridge, Morcambe, Walsall, Grimsby, Tranmere, Wimbledon.
Underperforming for our budget next season and assuming everybody else performs how they “should” would put us 17th and below.
Is that really a situation for a rookie manager with a very questionable system and playing style to continue? Based on the table for since he took over we are bottom third and getting worse, with no signs of let up. Are we all prepared to continue with this massive risk?
Yes people will say “he can strengthen the squad in the summer”. But so can those 16 clubs with similar or bigger budgets than us.
Also factor in that everybody will know EXACTLY how we are going to set up and how to nullify it.
I’m not sure forest green, Crawley and Swindon have easily bigger budgets than us
I don’t think you’d see Rovers paying the wages of Wickham, Telford and Austin.
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Gillingham and Crawley, since their new owners arrived have invested heavily.
So that is 2 Clubs that have overtaken us on budget since the start of the season.
So about 10th to 12th now will have been higher in August.
Behind the top 6 budgets I would suggest that there will be very little difference in the next 6 clubs budgets.
In August, Salford, Bradford, Stockport, Swindon, Mansfield & Leyton Orient will be top 6 i suspect.
Then there will be a group of clubs, Northampton, Wimbledon, Doncaster, Tranmere, Carlisle,Grimsby & Walsall where there was very little difference in budgets in August.
Gillingham definitely now be top 6 and possibly Crawley ( not too sure about how high Crawley would rank ) since their new owners have come in and invested large sums into the Club.
So I would suggest we were very near to a top 7 budget if not having one at the beginning of the season.
Whatever the budget 7th or 12th is no excuse for the drivel we have been served up this last 2 seasons and 2 months since Late January 2021.
Whatever budgets have been almost all of it was frittered away on dross by RW which led to a relegation that wasn’t expected in August 2021 at the start of that season.
We have since recruited better in 2022 but there are missing pieces of the jigsaw.
The major fault though lies in appointing 2 rookie managers in GmS & DS who do not have the experience and tactical acumen to set up a team in League 1 or league 2 to be successful.
Yes the budget may not be where we would like it to be or even expect it to be big any Manager & emphasis the title Manager not Coach worth his salt would have got this group of players performing very much better than what we have seen this season.
With the players we have we should be set up to attack.
We only really saw the capability of this team at Grimsby and at home to Carlisle. The ability is there but DS insistence on playing this formation and style has been sussed by every opposing team.
We are so predictable and easy to play against.
Copps needs to get a grip on this, don’t make excuses of budget and injuries. Most clubs have those same issues.
We need a Manager who is capable of achieving results and providing some modicum of entertainment for or beleaguered fans.
There is no way i see that person being DS.
Camps when did Crawley get new owners from what I can see it’s still the crypto guys
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If DS is still in post, and the jury is still out on Copps, I’m a little concerned that if there is more investment it’ll just be wasted.
No doubt it’s needed (I can’t believe we have the 12th highest budget it doesn’t make any sense). But I’d prefer we get the basics right before offering any extra limited investment up. For example get a competent manager and let Copps prove he can recruit well.
Then a extra boost will be money we’ll spent. If it means waiting a bit longer to spend it I’m fine with it. We should still have the funds to compete towards the top of L2.
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Watching a rovers game under Schofield, has all the promise of a day hooked upto a drip in DRI.
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Let’s assume Wrexham and Notts County come up.
That League 1’s current bottom 4 come down.
And that the current top 4 of Leyton Orient, Stevenage, Carlisle and Northampton are promoted.
League 2 would have:
Wrexham, Bradford, Notts, Stockport, Salford, Swindon, Mansfield, Gillingham, Crawley, Forest Green.
That’s 10 clubs easily above us in terms of budget.
Then you would pool us with another 6.
Cambridge, Morcambe, Walsall, Grimsby, Tranmere, Wimbledon.
Underperforming for our budget next season and assuming everybody else performs how they “should” would put us 17th and below.
Is that really a situation for a rookie manager with a very questionable system and playing style to continue? Based on the table for since he took over we are bottom third and getting worse, with no signs of let up. Are we all prepared to continue with this massive risk?
Yes people will say “he can strengthen the squad in the summer”. But so can those 16 clubs with similar or bigger budgets than us.
Also factor in that everybody will know EXACTLY how we are going to set up and how to nullify it.
I’m not sure forest green, Crawley and Swindon have easily bigger budgets than us
I don’t think you’d see Rovers paying the wages of Wickham, Telford and Austin.
They won’t be on anymore than miller, Anderson, close, molyneux etc
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Let’s assume Wrexham and Notts County come up.
That League 1’s current bottom 4 come down.
And that the current top 4 of Leyton Orient, Stevenage, Carlisle and Northampton are promoted.
League 2 would have:
Wrexham, Bradford, Notts, Stockport, Salford, Swindon, Mansfield, Gillingham, Crawley, Forest Green.
That’s 10 clubs easily above us in terms of budget.
Then you would pool us with another 6.
Cambridge, Morcambe, Walsall, Grimsby, Tranmere, Wimbledon.
Underperforming for our budget next season and assuming everybody else performs how they “should” would put us 17th and below.
Is that really a situation for a rookie manager with a very questionable system and playing style to continue? Based on the table for since he took over we are bottom third and getting worse, with no signs of let up. Are we all prepared to continue with this massive risk?
Yes people will say “he can strengthen the squad in the summer”. But so can those 16 clubs with similar or bigger budgets than us.
Also factor in that everybody will know EXACTLY how we are going to set up and how to nullify it.
I’m not sure forest green, Crawley and Swindon have easily bigger budgets than us
I don’t think you’d see Rovers paying the wages of Wickham, Telford and Austin.
They won’t be on anymore than miller, Anderson, close, molyneux etc
You’re sure about that are you dickos?
I think you are living in cloud cuckoo land if that’s what you think.
How much do you think our players are on then? Genuine question.
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It was McCann who got us in the play-off semi’s, not DM.
I thought you were referring to us being 2nd in the league at Christmas in 20/21 season under DM
Which ever Alan we have nosedived alarmingly. I have no faith this guy has the capability to turn it around.
Yes the budget is a major concern. But I stand by my comment that any Manager worth his salt would have turned this team into a top 7 one. The attacking threat DS’s style of play imposes on the opposition is nothing short of laughable. Well it would be if it was funny.
absolutely. 0.8 goals per game and 10 shots on target in 6 matches is not acceptable in any way shape or form.
THIS!!!
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Let’s assume Wrexham and Notts County come up.
That League 1’s current bottom 4 come down.
And that the current top 4 of Leyton Orient, Stevenage, Carlisle and Northampton are promoted.
League 2 would have:
Wrexham, Bradford, Notts, Stockport, Salford, Swindon, Mansfield, Gillingham, Crawley, Forest Green.
That’s 10 clubs easily above us in terms of budget.
Then you would pool us with another 6.
Cambridge, Morcambe, Walsall, Grimsby, Tranmere, Wimbledon.
Underperforming for our budget next season and assuming everybody else performs how they “should” would put us 17th and below.
Is that really a situation for a rookie manager with a very questionable system and playing style to continue? Based on the table for since he took over we are bottom third and getting worse, with no signs of let up. Are we all prepared to continue with this massive risk?
Yes people will say “he can strengthen the squad in the summer”. But so can those 16 clubs with similar or bigger budgets than us.
Also factor in that everybody will know EXACTLY how we are going to set up and how to nullify it.
I’m not sure forest green, Crawley and Swindon have easily bigger budgets than us
I don’t think you’d see Rovers paying the wages of Wickham, Telford and Austin.
They won’t be on anymore than miller, Anderson, close, molyneux etc
Austin is on around 7k a week from what I’ve seen and heard and Telford will be on 5k minimum at Crawley.
Bet our highest paid is on 3k a week max
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Let’s assume Wrexham and Notts County come up.
That League 1’s current bottom 4 come down.
And that the current top 4 of Leyton Orient, Stevenage, Carlisle and Northampton are promoted.
League 2 would have:
Wrexham, Bradford, Notts, Stockport, Salford, Swindon, Mansfield, Gillingham, Crawley, Forest Green.
That’s 10 clubs easily above us in terms of budget.
Then you would pool us with another 6.
Cambridge, Morcambe, Walsall, Grimsby, Tranmere, Wimbledon.
Underperforming for our budget next season and assuming everybody else performs how they “should” would put us 17th and below.
Is that really a situation for a rookie manager with a very questionable system and playing style to continue? Based on the table for since he took over we are bottom third and getting worse, with no signs of let up. Are we all prepared to continue with this massive risk?
Yes people will say “he can strengthen the squad in the summer”. But so can those 16 clubs with similar or bigger budgets than us.
Also factor in that everybody will know EXACTLY how we are going to set up and how to nullify it.
I’m not sure forest green, Crawley and Swindon have easily bigger budgets than us
I don’t think you’d see Rovers paying the wages of Wickham, Telford and Austin.
They won’t be on anymore than miller, Anderson, close, molyneux etc
Austin is on around 7k a week from what I’ve seen and heard and Telford will be on 5k minimum at Crawley.
Bet our highest paid is on 3k a week max
Even less.
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Utter twoddle
You think close signed for us on a pittance? Molyneux, Anderson new contract, olowu new contract? Rowe? Miller?
Telford has had one good season and Crawley have some of the smallest gates in the league, no chance at all he’s on 5k a week,
Austin is shortly about to turn 34, no way at all Swindon are paying him 7k a week.
Miller will be on the same as both of them, players like close, molyneux will be on more than all 3 of them
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If you don't actually know and have the evidence to prove what you're saying what is the point of this to-ing and fro-ing?
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It's just.like all the threads on our budget..... no one actually knows it's all about arguing about opinions
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Gillingham and Crawley, since their new owners arrived have invested heavily.
So that is 2 Clubs that have overtaken us on budget since the start of the season.
So about 10th to 12th now will have been higher in August.
Behind the top 6 budgets I would suggest that there will be very little difference in the next 6 clubs budgets.
In August, Salford, Bradford, Stockport, Swindon, Mansfield & Leyton Orient will be top 6 i suspect.
Then there will be a group of clubs, Northampton, Wimbledon, Doncaster, Tranmere, Carlisle,Grimsby & Walsall where there was very little difference in budgets in August.
Gillingham definitely now be top 6 and possibly Crawley ( not too sure about how high Crawley would rank ) since their new owners have come in and invested large sums into the Club.
So I would suggest we were very near to a top 7 budget if not having one at the beginning of the season.
Whatever the budget 7th or 12th is no excuse for the drivel we have been served up this last 2 seasons and 2 months since Late January 2021.
Whatever budgets have been almost all of it was frittered away on dross by RW which led to a relegation that wasn’t expected in August 2021 at the start of that season.
We have since recruited better in 2022 but there are missing pieces of the jigsaw.
The major fault though lies in appointing 2 rookie managers in GmS & DS who do not have the experience and tactical acumen to set up a team in League 1 or league 2 to be successful.
Yes the budget may not be where we would like it to be or even expect it to be big any Manager & emphasis the title Manager not Coach worth his salt would have got this group of players performing very much better than what we have seen this season.
With the players we have we should be set up to attack.
We only really saw the capability of this team at Grimsby and at home to Carlisle. The ability is there but DS insistence on playing this formation and style has been sussed by every opposing team.
We are so predictable and easy to play against.
Copps needs to get a grip on this, don’t make excuses of budget and injuries. Most clubs have those same issues.
We need a Manager who is capable of achieving results and providing some modicum of entertainment for or beleaguered fans.
There is no way i see that person being DS.
Camps when did Crawley get new owners from what I can see it’s still the crypto guys
They are the ones I was referring to. They didn’t take over until October I think. So their budget will have increased from what it was last summer.
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Utter twoddle
You think close signed for us on a pittance? Molyneux, Anderson new contract, olowu new contract? Rowe? Miller?
Telford has had one good season and Crawley have some of the smallest gates in the league, no chance at all he’s on 5k a week,
Austin is shortly about to turn 34, no way at all Swindon are paying him 7k a week.
Miller will be on the same as both of them, players like close, molyneux will be on more than all 3 of them
Outside of Salford, Bradford, Stockport how many players in league 2 do you think are on £3.000 or more per week dickos.
Bet there are not 10 players.
Do your Maths. If a club had 15 players on £3.000 per week that is 1.5 million per year + say 8 players on
£1.500 per week that is another £600.000 per year. Total 2.1 million + All other wages of staff + all overheads.
16 of the clubs in this league would be insolvent after just 2 seasons with that level of expenditure.
The average player wage in this league will be well under £1.500 per week. I would surmise that the ave Rovers player wage will be around that figure. Only 3/4 of our players will be on £2.500 per week or over, and no one will be on over £3.000. Not even Taylor, Close, Rowe or Anderson. Not even with new contract offered to Anderson.
I have no facts but sure that will be fairly accurate.
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Utter twoddle
You think close signed for us on a pittance? Molyneux, Anderson new contract, olowu new contract? Rowe? Miller?
Telford has had one good season and Crawley have some of the smallest gates in the league, no chance at all he’s on 5k a week,
Austin is shortly about to turn 34, no way at all Swindon are paying him 7k a week.
Miller will be on the same as both of them, players like close, molyneux will be on more than all 3 of them
Austin has played majority of his career in championship and will probs have had offers from league 1 clubs, Telford had a great season last year and again will have probs had league 1 offers and Crawleys owners will have threw a lot of money at him.
I reckon close is our highest paid but a lot of clubs have a clause in the contracts where wages are cut if they are relegated, I’d expect Anderson has took a bit of a pay cut with his injury problems.
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As people have suggested, neither of us know the facts but to suggest our average weekly wage is £1500 a week is absolute nonsense.
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There's been quite a lot of clubs releasing their annual accounts recently.
Some stick out massively like Stockport who made a loss of over £4m in the national League (nearly twice their income).
Oxford one of our competitors in league 1 last year lost just about £5m and that's with selling players.
The championship is a whole new ball game. Forest for example made a loss of. £42m in gaining promotion. Just let that sink in.....
These just a few examples and shows the scale of what you're up against trying to operate at break even. It's impossible.
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Gillingham and Crawley, since their new owners arrived have invested heavily.
So that is 2 Clubs that have overtaken us on budget since the start of the season.
So about 10th to 12th now will have been higher in August.
Behind the top 6 budgets I would suggest that there will be very little difference in the next 6 clubs budgets.
In August, Salford, Bradford, Stockport, Swindon, Mansfield & Leyton Orient will be top 6 i suspect.
Then there will be a group of clubs, Northampton, Wimbledon, Doncaster, Tranmere, Carlisle,Grimsby & Walsall where there was very little difference in budgets in August.
Gillingham definitely now be top 6 and possibly Crawley ( not too sure about how high Crawley would rank ) since their new owners have come in and invested large sums into the Club.
So I would suggest we were very near to a top 7 budget if not having one at the beginning of the season.
Whatever the budget 7th or 12th is no excuse for the drivel we have been served up this last 2 seasons and 2 months since Late January 2021.
Whatever budgets have been almost all of it was frittered away on dross by RW which led to a relegation that wasn’t expected in August 2021 at the start of that season.
We have since recruited better in 2022 but there are missing pieces of the jigsaw.
The major fault though lies in appointing 2 rookie managers in GmS & DS who do not have the experience and tactical acumen to set up a team in League 1 or league 2 to be successful.
Yes the budget may not be where we would like it to be or even expect it to be big any Manager & emphasis the title Manager not Coach worth his salt would have got this group of players performing very much better than what we have seen this season.
With the players we have we should be set up to attack.
We only really saw the capability of this team at Grimsby and at home to Carlisle. The ability is there but DS insistence on playing this formation and style has been sussed by every opposing team.
We are so predictable and easy to play against.
Copps needs to get a grip on this, don’t make excuses of budget and injuries. Most clubs have those same issues.
We need a Manager who is capable of achieving results and providing some modicum of entertainment for or beleaguered fans.
There is no way i see that person being DS.
Camps when did Crawley get new owners from what I can see it’s still the crypto guys
They are the ones I was referring to. They didn’t take over until October I think. So their budget will have increased from what it was last summer.
Doesn’t change anything but they’ve been there longer than you thought https://www.indy100.com/sport/hunter-orrell-crawley-town-owner
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There's been quite a lot of clubs releasing their annual accounts recently.
Some stick out massively like Stockport who made a loss of over £4m in the national League (nearly twice their income).
Oxford one of our competitors in league 1 last year lost just about £5m and that's with selling players.
The championship is a whole new ball game. Forest for example made a loss of. £42m in gaining promotion. Just let that sink in.....
These just a few examples and shows the scale of what you're up against trying to operate at break even. It's impossible.
Are there any notable clubs who broke even?
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Most clubs make a loss every year and yet very few go under. If we’re expecting some sort of advantage by been financially stable the reality will be disappointing.
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As people have suggested, neither of us know the facts but to suggest our average weekly wage is £1500 a week is absolute nonsense.
So how much do you think, Jones, Maxwell, Faulkner, Barlow, Ravenhill, Lavery, Agard, & Griffiths are on.
They are all in the 1st team squad so part of the total wage bill.
Therefore the ave of 1.500 will in all probability be fairly accurate.
We are not in League 1 any more. Our wage bill will have been reduced. No way will any of those players above be on over 1.500 a week imo. Some of them very considerably less.
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There's been quite a lot of clubs releasing their annual accounts recently.
Some stick out massively like Stockport who made a loss of over £4m in the national League (nearly twice their income).
Oxford one of our competitors in league 1 last year lost just about £5m and that's with selling players.
The championship is a whole new ball game. Forest for example made a loss of. £42m in gaining promotion. Just let that sink in.....
These just a few examples and shows the scale of what you're up against trying to operate at break even. It's impossible.
Yet there are those in the club who think we can not only remain but be competitive in Lg2 whilst breaking even.
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There's been quite a lot of clubs releasing their annual accounts recently.
Some stick out massively like Stockport who made a loss of over £4m in the national League (nearly twice their income).
Oxford one of our competitors in league 1 last year lost just about £5m and that's with selling players.
The championship is a whole new ball game. Forest for example made a loss of. £42m in gaining promotion. Just let that sink in.....
These just a few examples and shows the scale of what you're up against trying to operate at break even. It's impossible.
Are there any notable clubs who broke even?
There's quite a few actually. Most Premiership clubs for example.
Even at our level there's a number of clubs who make sure the books balance.
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SM, it that balancing the books without financial input from their owners?