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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: roversdude on April 15, 2023, 08:10:16 pm
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There were some proper dheads there today trying to drive their anti board agenda
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Perhaps they were having one last tantrum because it’s the end of the Easter school holidays
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There were some older heads amongst them too. I found the constant negativity tiresome, as did a lot of people around me as well.
Support the team not the regime my arse!
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Agree there was no support from any of them - it was draining tbh
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That was one of the most disappointing things for me last home game. When doing well in the first half, we heard the "You must be sh*t, we're winning at home' whilst Grimsby were playing poorly and their crowd were behind them all the way.
When the teams low on confidence, but playing well,.no matter what we think about DS, the players deserve and need the support, especially the younger ones.
These nobs just seem intent on destruction no matter what. They're getting precisely what they wish for.
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I know it can get negative on here when things are bad, and they are, but if you’re paying to go away to watch the team you’d expect everyone to be behind the team. Fair enough if there’s a shit show people are going to be negative but at least give it chance.
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whilst every club has its fair share of what some describe as "d**kheads", lets not forget, the ones that travel are usually the die hards. those that follow though thick and thin.
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Thinking about it again it does show how bad we’ve been and how dejected the fan base is if the away support can’t get behind the team.
When you’ve over 90% wanting the manager gone it’s not that surprising. The clubs decisions go directly against what such an overwhelming majority of supporters believe.
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There were some older heads amongst them too. I found the constant negativity tiresome, as did a lot of people around me as well.
Support the team not the regime my arse!
Singing “you’re not fit to wear the shirt” while holding the flag up
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There were some older heads amongst them too. I found the constant negativity tiresome, as did a lot of people around me as well.
Support the team not the regime my arse!
Maybe if Copps wasn’t stubborn and actually acted and did the right thing by sacking Schofield, the support wouldnt be so toxic.
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I get the impression the fans used it today just to get their point across, I didn't see any trouble to suggest there was d**kheads. Not saying I agree with the board out on that, I just want Blunt and Schofield out.
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I found the constant negativity tiresome, as did a lot of people around me as well.
This describes how the people who sit around me at home games think about Schofield's tactics and approach to matches.
If any football club is obviously and continuously negligent and incompetent in it's most important task - running a football team - then this is going to result in increasingly poor performances, poor results and therefore a very unhappy fan base.
It's not really rocket science is it???
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I found the constant negativity tiresome, as did a lot of people around me as well.
This describes how the people who sit around me at home games think about Schofield's tactics and approach to matches.
If any football club is obviously and continuously negligent and incompetent in it's most important task - running a football team - then this is going to result in increasingly poor performances, poor results and therefore a very unhappy fan base.
It's not really rocket science is it???
No it’s not rocket science, but it’s not the point I made either. Doh!
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A lot of our fans today were an absolute disgrace.
I’ve never been so disappointed at an away game in hundreds of games since 1962.
Not just the negativity and constant foul and abusive language and moronic chants but the lack of support for the team as well.
There was one guy there with his son who was about seven. He swore constantly whist explaining to his son where DS was going wrong.
There’s no wonder the young players are scared to death of making a mistake a lot of the time.
Not a great advert for Doncaster.
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There were some older heads amongst them too. I found the constant negativity tiresome, as did a lot of people around me as well.
Support the team not the regime my arse!
I'm finding the whole thing exhausting.
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I found the constant negativity tiresome, as did a lot of people around me as well.
This describes how the people who sit around me at home games think about Schofield's tactics and approach to matches.
If any football club is obviously and continuously negligent and incompetent in it's most important task - running a football team - then this is going to result in increasingly poor performances, poor results and therefore a very unhappy fan base.
It's not really rocket science is it???
No it’s not rocket science, but it’s not the point I made either. Doh!
You were complaining at the negativity of some fans today.
I was explaining in the simplest terms why fans are unhappy - and therefore why some may have a negative attitude at matches.
Seems to me my response was exceptionally apt to the point you were making. Duh!
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I found the constant negativity tiresome, as did a lot of people around me as well.
This describes how the people who sit around me at home games think about Schofield's tactics and approach to matches.
If any football club is obviously and continuously negligent and incompetent in it's most important task - running a football team - then this is going to result in increasingly poor performances, poor results and therefore a very unhappy fan base.
It's not really rocket science is it???
No it’s not rocket science, but it’s not the point I made either. Doh!
You were complaining at the negativity of some fans today.
I was explaining in the simplest terms why fans are unhappy - and therefore why some may have a negative attitude at matches.
Seems to me my response was exceptionally apt to the point you were making. Duh!
Fans can be unhappy but the behaviour today contributed to the distinct evaporation of confidence in that second half.
Some bloke near me started chanting “come on harrogate” absolute clowns
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They are total d!ckheads. Leeds Utd have around 40,000 of them, Only one way to shut them up
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There were quite a few I’d not seen at away games this season and had obviously had a good sesh
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Dreadful atmosphere there today.
A loud minority seemingly turned up with one intention; to just jeer and abuse the manager, including pouncing on every mistake to then go on and abuse the manager some more.
A very disappointing day, and that was nothing to do with the performance which wasn't that bad.
I can only sympathise with Schofield at this point. No one deserves this sort of rubbish directed at them.
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Surely to get tickets they must have been season ticket holders?
A lot were a disgrace though.
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Dreadful atmosphere there today.
A loud minority seemingly turned up with one intention; to just jeer and abuse the manager, including pouncing on every mistake to then go on and abuse the manager some more.
A very disappointing day, and that was nothing to do with the performance which wasn't that bad.
I can only sympathise with Schofield at this point. No one deserves this sort of rubbish directed at them.
That’s the worst “ abuse “ I’ve heard aimed at our manager in my lifetime. Not only that the “ physio” was getting abuse as well.
To me, give your opinion at the end of the match, but by destroying the manager, players & staff DURING the match is bizarre. A game we WERE winning & still gets it. Whatever wage DS is on he didn’t deserve that today.
I’m not sticking up for his tactics etc, I’m saying give him respect as a human being.
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If Schofield is sacked the toxicity will disappear and there will be some optimism going into the new season.
Surely the club want the fans on side, there’s no way back when the majority of the fan base want the manager out. Just get rid of Schofield for Christ sake
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There was toxicity before Schofield came to the club, it has been there all season and is sucking the life blood out of the club
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There was toxicity before Schofield came to the club, it has been there all season and is sucking the life blood out of the club
It's the appalling and utterly incompetent leadership decisions on matters of football administration over a sustained period of time which is 'sucking the life blood out of the club'.
I'm not condoning some of the worst behaviour of a minority of fans however the 'toxicity' in the stands is totally understandable in Rovers current circumstances. It is a symptom not a cause of Rovers woes.
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There was toxicity before Schofield came to the club, it has been there all season and is sucking the life blood out of the club
It's the appalling and utterly incompetent leadership decisions on matters of football administration over a sustained period of time which is 'sucking the life blood out of the club'.
I'm not condoning some of the worst behaviour of a minority of fans however the 'toxicity' in the stands is totally understandable in Rovers current circumstances.
The toxicity in the stands has contributed to the demise. Other clubs get behind their team during a game, no matter what. Clubs with far worse boards than us.
We have hundreds of fans who have no interest in the game or how well the club is doing. They just go for the drink and the aggro
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I couldn’t get a ticket but after watching the videos from yesterday, talking to mates who were there and sleeping on it I admit I find the whole situation quite sad on a personal level for him.
Anyone who thinks Schofield deserves that for 90 minutes is a moron. This is a local guy with a young family who is clearly under immense pressure, and gets booed into the dugout before a ball is kicked? Disgusting really.
Maybe I’m being too nice but I think I’m through the angry stage of the performances/decisions and genuinely feel for the guy now.
A decision needs to be made for his own good.
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That was possibly one of the worst atmospheres created by a handful of d**kheads. Some obviously had had a few bevvies. It stopped the MAJORITY of us getting behind the team with their anal, boring, chanting. If you currently played for the Rovers would you be encouraged to continue to, and have a glowing experience that you went on to talk about “despite the results how great the fans were”?
If you were about to sign would you go elsewhere? I did hear that during the Tom Anderson controversial match that a couple of prospects left saying “they wouldn’t play for that lot”
I must admit after following the Rovers home and away for 57 years I was always proud of the Doncaster fan base. I’m now very disillusioned and considering if I want to be associated with them anymore. I hated the Grimsby fans with an historic vengeance but had to admit they knocked us out of the park in terms of support. All be it in a similar position to us.
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I agree with mush completely. We said the same leaving yesterday. The football has been really poor but you can't not feel sorry for the man surely?
I also found the atmosphere in the away section excessive yesterday. I struggle a little to understand just how people can get so angry about football etc, surely there is a line? Maybe it's just me getting older.
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I think it's hard to disagree with the comment from Mush, I'm in the Schofield out camp. But at the same time you have got to feel sorry for the bloke for what he went through yesterday.
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It was quite telling yesterday that after both Rovers goals the players made no attempt to celebrate near our fans. Barlow ran to the subs warming up and Molyneux ran straight to the photographer. Faulkner and Seaman the most engaged with the fans but the remainder all pretty much ignored us.
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It was quite telling yesterday that after both Rovers goals the players made no attempt to celebrate near our fans. Barlow ran to the subs warming up and Molyneux ran straight to the photographer. Faulkner and Seaman the most engaged with the fans but the remainder all pretty much ignored us.
Can’t blame them though
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The videos from yesterday looked grim and I definitely feel for Schofield in that regard. Problems here are deeper than who is in charge. We simply have a squad that is 3/4s very average league two players and rest sucked into the whirlpool of negativity surrounding us at the mo.
This plan for the summer is huge for us.
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Well I think you lads deserve better than you've had served up this season and last to be fair .
It's a culmination of the last two season's which probably contributed to yesterday's events .
Fans can be brutal but given what you've endured of late I find it perfectly understandable to be honest .
The fans care passionately about Rovers , you would have to care passionately about Rovers to even go to Harrogate yesterday given it was a dead game in an awful season and they are frustrated , rightly so .
How on earth are fans meant to show their frustration ?
Of course it's not going to be pleasant , they are extremely pyssed off .
That show of frustration yesterday may well be the trigger that rids you of DS and points to a brighter future next season .
If DS is upset then tough , if he hasn't worked out the reality of football failure and how fans frustration can boil over maybe he's in the wrong job .
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I’m no fan of DS but you have to feel for him and it isn’t right the abuse he’s getting personally.
I think when you see how many fans want him gone and for how many games he’s probably feeling the brunt of fans feeling their voices aren’t been heard.
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Well I think you lads deserve better than you've had served up this season and last to be fair .
It's a culmination of the last two season's which probably contributed to yesterday's events .
Fans can be brutal but given what you've endured of late I find it perfectly understandable to be honest .
The fans care passionately about Rovers , you would have to care passionately about Rovers to even go to Harrogate yesterday given it was a dead game in an awful season and they are frustrated , rightly so .
How on earth are fans meant to show their frustration ?
Of course it's not going to be pleasant , they are extremely pyssed off .
That show of frustration yesterday may well be the trigger that rids you of DS and points to a brighter future next season .
If DS is upset then tough , if he hasn't worked out the reality of football failure and how fans frustration can boil over maybe he's in the wrong job .
Plenty of the folk that attend games done care passionately about the club, they’re just there for the booze and the aggro.
Every manager we’ve had over the last 3 years have got similar abuse, they’re just idiots
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The worrying thing is if we get rid of DS get a new manager and lose a couple of games the knobs will start again.
It was ironic that they were chanting the football is sh1t as we scored
Throwback as well when they were chanting at the Harrogate physio
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There was toxicity before Schofield came to the club, it has been there all season and is sucking the life blood out of the club
It's the appalling and utterly incompetent leadership decisions on matters of football administration over a sustained period of time which is 'sucking the life blood out of the club'.
I'm not condoning some of the worst behaviour of a minority of fans however the 'toxicity' in the stands is totally understandable in Rovers current circumstances.
The toxicity in the stands has contributed to the demise. Other clubs get behind their team during a game, no matter what. Clubs with far worse boards than us.
We have hundreds of fans who have no interest in the game or how well the club is doing. They just go for the drink and the aggro
you can’t possibly be that naive? There’s morons at every club. The country’s full of them full stop. And god forbid he isn’t coaching in another country. They’d have kidnapped his family or something equally ridiculous if he was in Italy.
In no way shape or form am I condoning the vitriol but how are fans supposed to demonstrate their dissatisfaction at the disgusting football being served up by him? Me? I’m staying away, not buying a ST and moaning a bucket full on here. But that isn’t getting through to the club. Is it?
So those of a little lower tolerance / intelligence are doing this.
Choose what, the status cannot be allowed to continue. We’re at the point of return for DS. The divide between the fans and players/coaches is massive. The next incumbent has a massive job on his hands and I believe PR should be top of his list before a ball is even kicked.
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Agree completely Cramby. He’s absolutely passed the point of no return, right or wrong this is the only real way our fans can demonstrate how they feel. Fans drink and get carried away at every game, this is different because the vast majority are absolutely at the end of their tether and need to see the manager change, until that happens there is no reason for positivity. The club need to do right by everyone now, including Schofield, and move on so the healing and rebuilding can start. Like it or not, it can’t happen with Schofield now.
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Well I think you lads deserve better than you've had served up this season and last to be fair .
It's a culmination of the last two season's which probably contributed to yesterday's events .
Fans can be brutal but given what you've endured of late I find it perfectly understandable to be honest .
The fans care passionately about Rovers , you would have to care passionately about Rovers to even go to Harrogate yesterday given it was a dead game in an awful season and they are frustrated , rightly so .
How on earth are fans meant to show their frustration ?
Of course it's not going to be pleasant , they are extremely pyssed off .
That show of frustration yesterday may well be the trigger that rids you of DS and points to a brighter future next season .
If DS is upset then tough , if he hasn't worked out the reality of football failure and how fans frustration can boil over maybe he's in the wrong job .
Plenty of the folk that attend games done care passionately about the club, they’re just there for the booze and the aggro.
Every manager we’ve had over the last 3 years have got similar abuse, they’re just idiots
That's a bit of a sweeping statement dickos with all due respect .
There's nowt going on at Rovers currently that I haven't seen over here .
As a club your in exactly the same state as we were last season , one look at the final championship table told the story , it was horrific .
A Protest Group was formed , it just wasn't the events on the field either driving it , the stadium was in poor state , the owners bought the club in 2017 debt free and £5m in the bank and managed to not only create the worst championship team in our history we'd debts mounting up to £8m plus a £14.6m wage bill to service .
The Protest Group were met with a mixed reaction , good folk like yourself backed the club , backed a sinking ship taking us in to oblivion for Christ's sake .
Division within the fan base is never good but this got ugly , fights in the stands and a smear campaign against the Protest Groups main face , his mental health took a hammering , his relationship with his partner took a hammering , it was toxic .
All he wanted was the club run right financially and half a chance on the championship field .
People within the Oakwell hierarchy took note following relegation , three of the owners were sacked from the board , they still own considerable shares but no longer make the decisions .
The club got its act together to reconnect with its fans with a number of offers and events and it's worked too .
It helps considerably to consistently win games of football I'll concede , we threw the foreign coach thing out of the window and brought someone in who knew the league .
We threw away the absurd age restriction on players coming in , previously we'd only sign players under 24 and brought Norwood in and a couple more .
My point is your board have to listen to the fans and make better decisions going forward because if they don't then the bottom of the well looms closer , I can see it myself .
Get rid of DS , start a fresh in the summer , new identity , the whole works .
You take this current situation in to the new season and he loses the first home game having spent the budget and your just compounding this in my opinion .
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Its a reflection of todays society, the entitled generations who have been spoon fed from birth, and expect nothing else but everything they want to be handed on a plate for them to devour with them providing the minimum input to attain success.
They used to be thought of and looked on as a rabble, but now they are accepted as upstanding citizens with passion.
By some.
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I feel for Danny but feel he made have rod for his own back in many ways. The earlier interviews he never acknowledged or thanked the fans and at times almost treated them as if they were stupid and knew nothing about the game. This led to a seperation of him and them.
Fast forward with injuries and some horrendous goalkeeping errors and he's now desperate for the backing of the fans who show him none. His treatment of them has come home to roost.
In all of this he still keeps with the same formation which is a negative one.
Then out of nowhere comes two statements in one. The first part is Terry. An acknowledgement that the playing side of things are going to change for the better; he's going to invest significant funds personally to the team - great.
The second part came from the much maligned Blunt who stated that Danny was here to stay and was effectively being trusted into next season.
The games come in thick and fast, defensive/goal keeping errors and formation remain and so do the results. And the fans vent their frustration in horrid manners.
Undeserved? maybe
Inappropriate? Without a doubt understandable? 100%
Either way a line in the sand needs to be drawn as this can't continue.
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Well I think you lads deserve better than you've had served up this season and last to be fair .
It's a culmination of the last two season's which probably contributed to yesterday's events .
Fans can be brutal but given what you've endured of late I find it perfectly understandable to be honest .
The fans care passionately about Rovers , you would have to care passionately about Rovers to even go to Harrogate yesterday given it was a dead game in an awful season and they are frustrated , rightly so .
How on earth are fans meant to show their frustration ?
Of course it's not going to be pleasant , they are extremely pyssed off .
That show of frustration yesterday may well be the trigger that rids you of DS and points to a brighter future next season .
If DS is upset then tough , if he hasn't worked out the reality of football failure and how fans frustration can boil over maybe he's in the wrong job .
Plenty of the folk that attend games done care passionately about the club, they’re just there for the booze and the aggro.
Every manager we’ve had over the last 3 years have got similar abuse, they’re just idiots
That's a bit of a sweeping statement dickos with all due respect .
There's nowt going on at Rovers currently that I haven't seen over here .
As a club your in exactly the same state as we were last season , one look at the final championship table told the story , it was horrific .
A Protest Group was formed , it just wasn't the events on the field either driving it , the stadium was in poor state , the owners bought the club in 2017 debt free and £5m in the bank and managed to not only create the worst championship team in our history we'd debts mounting up to £8m plus a £14.6m wage bill to service .
The Protest Group were met with a mixed reaction , good folk like yourself backed the club , backed a sinking ship taking us in to oblivion for Christ's sake .
Division within the fan base is never good but this got ugly , fights in the stands and a smear campaign against the Protest Groups main face , his mental health took a hammering , his relationship with his partner took a hammering , it was toxic .
All he wanted was the club run right financially and half a chance on the championship field .
People within the Oakwell hierarchy took note following relegation , three of the owners were sacked from the board , they still own considerable shares but no longer make the decisions .
The club got its act together to reconnect with its fans with a number of offers and events and it's worked too .
It helps considerably to consistently win games of football I'll concede , we threw the foreign coach thing out of the window and brought someone in who knew the league .
We threw away the absurd age restriction on players coming in , previously we'd only sign players under 24 and brought Norwood in and a couple more .
My point is your board have to listen to the fans and make better decisions going forward because if they don't then the bottom of the well looms closer , I can see it myself .
Get rid of DS , start a fresh in the summer , new identity , the whole works .
You take this current situation in to the new season and he loses the first home game having spent the budget and your just compounding this in my opinion .
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Couldn’t agree more tyke, I hope our board are able to look outside of the club and see what needs to be done then take action in a similar way to Barnsley. That’s all we want to see, as fans, a club heading in the right direction with a plan, rather than nosediving into the national league and oblivion.
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Well I think you lads deserve better than you've had served up this season and last to be fair .
It's a culmination of the last two season's which probably contributed to yesterday's events .
Fans can be brutal but given what you've endured of late I find it perfectly understandable to be honest .
The fans care passionately about Rovers , you would have to care passionately about Rovers to even go to Harrogate yesterday given it was a dead game in an awful season and they are frustrated , rightly so .
How on earth are fans meant to show their frustration ?
Of course it's not going to be pleasant , they are extremely pyssed off .
That show of frustration yesterday may well be the trigger that rids you of DS and points to a brighter future next season .
If DS is upset then tough , if he hasn't worked out the reality of football failure and how fans frustration can boil over maybe he's in the wrong job .
Plenty of the folk that attend games done care passionately about the club, they’re just there for the booze and the aggro.
Every manager we’ve had over the last 3 years have got similar abuse, they’re just idiots
that is absolutely nonsense
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Its a reflection of todays society, the entitled generations who have been spoon fed from birth, and expect nothing else but everything they want to be handed on a plate for them to devour with them providing the minimum input to attain success.
They used to be thought of and looked on as a rabble, but now they are accepted as upstanding citizens with passion.
By some.
With all due respect Selby anyone who follows Rovers and Barnsley with a sense of entitlement doesn't exist .
Way too easy to follow City , United or any number of big PL clubs these days .
If your a Rovers fan at Harrogate yesterday your a proper fan and know what you've signed up to and have probably known it for years .
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That was absolutely horrible yesterday. Things aren’t going well but the abuse towards Schofield was way OTT. I came away feeling completely despondent to be honest. Whether he keeps his job or not, I hope his mental health can withstand this. I know mine wouldn’t.
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I think it's hard to disagree with the comment from Mush, I'm in the Schofield out camp. But at the same time you have got to feel sorry for the bloke for what he went through yesterday.
He’s been in football long enough to know that it comes with the territory, I don’t feel sorry for him at all, he’s not flexible, the fans can see that and have a right to show their displeasure, if he can’t handle it that is another reason why he’s in the wrong job
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There were some older heads amongst them too. I found the constant negativity tiresome, as did a lot of people around me as well.
Support the team not the regime my arse!
Yep the constant sack the board chant, along with your not fit to wear the shirt and Schofield your football is shit isn’t exactly supporting the team. But what really is insipid is the chant “how shit must you be we’re winning away” how is this last chant, especially, supporting the team?
COYR
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The behaviour of an element of our away fans is the main reason I have stopped, with the exception of a few games, going to away matches
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In my opinion yesterday's events can't just be brushed off as some kind of society problem because there's genuine reasons for the behaviour of some fans yesterday .
Their club is in turmoil and I suspect because many have seen this before at Rovers they are seriously concerned by it and it's adding extra fat to the flames .
The rot has to stop , it really does because the bottom three next season in league two is in play here right now .
You don't need me to highlight the consequences of relegation to the National League and in my opinion it's way tougher today than it was over 20 years ago and you didn't get straight back to the EFL then .
This is one of the most important summer's in Rovers history in my opinion and you simply have to get it right , you really do .
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I agree Tyke, fans are trying to articulate how unhappy they are - there’s not that many ways to do that. This forum has pages of confirmation that we’re not happy and want change, a recent vote on here showed about 90% of 300ish fans want him gone. I don’t know why that message is not getting through, but this isn’t daft kids with a sense of misplaced entitlement, this is a majority of fans trying to express how unhappy we are - and this isn’t going away until Copps and the Board take the decisive action required and remove this incompetent manager. In my opinion it is them putting Schofield in this position of being subject to the abuse because they won’t respond to the voice of the fans - which has been very clear.
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I agree Tyke, fans are trying to articulate how unhappy they are - there’s not that many ways to do that. This forum has pages of confirmation that we’re not happy and want change, a recent vote on here showed about 90% of 300ish fans want him gone. I don’t know why that message is not getting through, but this isn’t daft kids with a sense of misplaced entitlement, this is a majority of fans trying to express how unhappy we are - and this isn’t going away until Copps and the Board take the decisive action required and remove this incompetent manager. In my opinion it is them putting Schofield in this position of being subject to the abuse because they won’t respond to the voice of the fans - which has been very clear.
I think it's also important to acknowledge many of the fans saw this coming at the time of the appointment and clearly stated it.
Others like me stayed silent and were happy to clap on and encourage and hope in blind faith and misplaced optimism that JC knew we were getting a genius coach in the SOD, Potter mould and that we would build something very impressive.
It turns out that the silent fans are now speaking out and agree with the vocal ones from the outset. These numbers didn't all come at once but have built and built, many remained patient (some like Dickos still are)
The silent majority (not Martin) are no longer silent and the two statements in one press release have turned optimism into speciesism as many see the two points as contradictory. Further interviews from JC and Sean Lockwood haven't exactly installed confidence either. Only one person thus far has taken accountability of their failures and that was Terry Bramall who has spoke about it and vowed to make a difference going forward.
It's time for others to do the same.
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In my opinion yesterday's events can't just be brushed off as some kind of society problem because there's genuine reasons for the behaviour of some fans yesterday .
Their club is in turmoil and I suspect because many have seen this before at Rovers they are seriously concerned by it and it's adding extra fat to the flames .
The rot has to stop , it really does because the bottom three next season in league two is in play here right now .
You don't need me to highlight the consequences of relegation to the National League and in my opinion it's way tougher today than it was over 20 years ago and you didn't get straight back to the EFL then .
This is one of the most important summer's in Rovers history in my opinion and you simply have to get it right , you really do .
Tyke your 3 or 4 posts on this thread are absolutely spot on and extremely eloquently put. I'd recommend anyone goes back and reads them.
Perhaps your being able to view this malaise from afar and relatively dispassionately help in terms of you being able to sum up exactly what I, and I believe many Rovers fans are thinking right now, so very, very well.
I'd add by own thoughts, but they mirror yours exactly, and I'm so angry and upset right now with what's happening to my club that my missives will just be too emotive and incoherent in comparison.
Just to say that if DS is not removed from his post I am hugely concerned for this club and this city retaining football league status next season.
31 points from 28 matches under DS. 15 points from the last 18 matches (inc before the injuries kicked in - injuries that can easily happen next season again)
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Well I think you lads deserve better than you've had served up this season and last to be fair .
It's a culmination of the last two season's which probably contributed to yesterday's events .
Fans can be brutal but given what you've endured of late I find it perfectly understandable to be honest .
The fans care passionately about Rovers , you would have to care passionately about Rovers to even go to Harrogate yesterday given it was a dead game in an awful season and they are frustrated , rightly so .
How on earth are fans meant to show their frustration ?
Of course it's not going to be pleasant , they are extremely pyssed off .
That show of frustration yesterday may well be the trigger that rids you of DS and points to a brighter future next season .
If DS is upset then tough , if he hasn't worked out the reality of football failure and how fans frustration can boil over maybe he's in the wrong job .
Plenty of the folk that attend games done care passionately about the club, they’re just there for the booze and the aggro.
Every manager we’ve had over the last 3 years have got similar abuse, they’re just idiots
that is absolutely nonsense
Plenty of people there yesterday who don’t care about the club, not even watching the game, singing for harrogate to win, booing before we’d even kicked off.
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Dreadful atmosphere there today.
A loud minority seemingly turned up with one intention; to just jeer and abuse the manager, including pouncing on every mistake to then go on and abuse the manager some more.
A very disappointing day, and that was nothing to do with the performance which wasn't that bad.
I can only sympathise with Schofield at this point. No one deserves this sort of rubbish directed at them.
That’s the worst “ abuse “ I’ve heard aimed at our manager in my lifetime. Not only that the “ physio” was getting abuse as well.
To me, give your opinion at the end of the match, but by destroying the manager, players & staff DURING the match is bizarre. A game we WERE winning & still gets it. Whatever wage DS is on he didn’t deserve that today.
I’m not sticking up for his tactics etc, I’m saying give him respect as a human being.
agree with wot you say regarding getting it during the game as doesn’t help the players either as they be worried the do anything wrong incase they get any grief,however he does bring slot of it on himself with certain things he says or does with however they have played or by not changing things.
Regarding the physio it was more banter than anything else with difference in their physio to ours
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Well I think you lads deserve better than you've had served up this season and last to be fair .
It's a culmination of the last two season's which probably contributed to yesterday's events .
Fans can be brutal but given what you've endured of late I find it perfectly understandable to be honest .
The fans care passionately about Rovers , you would have to care passionately about Rovers to even go to Harrogate yesterday given it was a dead game in an awful season and they are frustrated , rightly so .
How on earth are fans meant to show their frustration ?
Of course it's not going to be pleasant , they are extremely pyssed off .
That show of frustration yesterday may well be the trigger that rids you of DS and points to a brighter future next season .
If DS is upset then tough , if he hasn't worked out the reality of football failure and how fans frustration can boil over maybe he's in the wrong job .
Plenty of the folk that attend games done care passionately about the club, they’re just there for the booze and the aggro.
Every manager we’ve had over the last 3 years have got similar abuse, they’re just idiots
that is absolutely nonsense
Plenty of people there yesterday who don’t care about the club, not even watching the game, singing for harrogate to win, booing before we’d even kicked off.
I think that some of the dissent is being mispresented or misunderstood as poor behaviour or mischief making. To see Rovers play a pointless game during one of the biggest slumps in our history, you had to buy a ticket in a 1 hour window on a Monday morning at 9am. It's not random troublesome fans - only season ticket holders who are organised die-hard fans could possibly have been there given how hard it was to get tickets. This is the true voice of our fans, upset and hurt and demanding a change of manager.
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Well I think you lads deserve better than you've had served up this season and last to be fair .
It's a culmination of the last two season's which probably contributed to yesterday's events .
Fans can be brutal but given what you've endured of late I find it perfectly understandable to be honest .
The fans care passionately about Rovers , you would have to care passionately about Rovers to even go to Harrogate yesterday given it was a dead game in an awful season and they are frustrated , rightly so .
How on earth are fans meant to show their frustration ?
Of course it's not going to be pleasant , they are extremely pyssed off .
That show of frustration yesterday may well be the trigger that rids you of DS and points to a brighter future next season .
If DS is upset then tough , if he hasn't worked out the reality of football failure and how fans frustration can boil over maybe he's in the wrong job .
Plenty of the folk that attend games done care passionately about the club, they’re just there for the booze and the aggro.
Every manager we’ve had over the last 3 years have got similar abuse, they’re just idiots
that is absolutely nonsense
Plenty of people there yesterday who don’t care about the club, not even watching the game, singing for harrogate to win, booing before we’d even kicked off.
but to suggest the last 3 managers is a massive exaggeration. I think yesterday was wrong there’s no denying that but it was most likely an accumulation of the last few years of absolute rubbish.
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I think it's hard to disagree with the comment from Mush, I'm in the Schofield out camp. But at the same time you have got to feel sorry for the bloke for what he went through yesterday.
He’s been in football long enough to know that it comes with the territory, I don’t feel sorry for him at all, he’s not flexible, the fans can see that and have a right to show their displeasure, if he can’t handle it that is another reason why he’s in the wrong job
What would you do if someone got in your taxi and shouted at you how much of a shit driver you were all through the journey?
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I think it's hard to disagree with the comment from Mush, I'm in the Schofield out camp. But at the same time you have got to feel sorry for the bloke for what he went through yesterday.
He’s been in football long enough to know that it comes with the territory, I don’t feel sorry for him at all, he’s not flexible, the fans can see that and have a right to show their displeasure, if he can’t handle it that is another reason why he’s in the wrong job
What would you do if someone got in your taxi and shouted at you how much of a shit driver you were all through the journey?
Only a comparison if it’s after nearly crashing the car several times and Kerbing it a few times for good measure.
Personal abuse not ok but you’d probably expect the passenger to ask if your ok to drive and then ask to get out so they can get another taxi.
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I think it's hard to disagree with the comment from Mush, I'm in the Schofield out camp. But at the same time you have got to feel sorry for the bloke for what he went through yesterday.
He’s been in football long enough to know that it comes with the territory, I don’t feel sorry for him at all, he’s not flexible, the fans can see that and have a right to show their displeasure, if he can’t handle it that is another reason why he’s in the wrong job
What would you do if someone got in your taxi and shouted at you how much of a shit driver you were all through the journey?
I do a competent job, so your comments are not valid
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I think it's hard to disagree with the comment from Mush, I'm in the Schofield out camp. But at the same time you have got to feel sorry for the bloke for what he went through yesterday.
He’s been in football long enough to know that it comes with the territory, I don’t feel sorry for him at all, he’s not flexible, the fans can see that and have a right to show their displeasure, if he can’t handle it that is another reason why he’s in the wrong job
What would you do if someone got in your taxi and shouted at you how much of a shit driver you were all through the journey?
I'd kick them out or to put into football terms..quit. Many wish he would.
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I think it's hard to disagree with the comment from Mush, I'm in the Schofield out camp. But at the same time you have got to feel sorry for the bloke for what he went through yesterday.
He’s been in football long enough to know that it comes with the territory, I don’t feel sorry for him at all, he’s not flexible, the fans can see that and have a right to show their displeasure, if he can’t handle it that is another reason why he’s in the wrong job
What would you do if someone got in your taxi and shouted at you how much of a shit driver you were all through the journey?
If they paid me £3k for a 90 minute taxi ride every Saturday they could shout what they wanted at me for the duration of the journey .
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Well I think you lads deserve better than you've had served up this season and last to be fair .
It's a culmination of the last two season's which probably contributed to yesterday's events .
Fans can be brutal but given what you've endured of late I find it perfectly understandable to be honest .
The fans care passionately about Rovers , you would have to care passionately about Rovers to even go to Harrogate yesterday given it was a dead game in an awful season and they are frustrated , rightly so .
How on earth are fans meant to show their frustration ?
Of course it's not going to be pleasant , they are extremely pyssed off .
That show of frustration yesterday may well be the trigger that rids you of DS and points to a brighter future next season .
If DS is upset then tough , if he hasn't worked out the reality of football failure and how fans frustration can boil over maybe he's in the wrong job .
Plenty of the folk that attend games done care passionately about the club, they’re just there for the booze and the aggro.
Every manager we’ve had over the last 3 years have got similar abuse, they’re just idiots
that is absolutely nonsense
Plenty of people there yesterday who don’t care about the club, not even watching the game, singing for harrogate to win, booing before we’d even kicked off.
Well I'd be thankful they are angry and frustrated if I was you because it means they still care .
It's to be hoped what comes after anger doesn't materialise .
It's called apathy and that's way worse than anger .
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Also ironic was the fact the colours they had chosen for their (imo) petty protest were those that the home team played in
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Given the horrendous, tedious, ineffective tripe Schofield has consistently served up over several months I'm amazed the fans have been so restrained - especially at home matches.
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It was always going to be difficult as soon as rumours where going round that he'd got the job and no one wanted him as manager after his efforts at Huddersfield
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I think it's hard to disagree with the comment from Mush, I'm in the Schofield out camp. But at the same time you have got to feel sorry for the bloke for what he went through yesterday.
He’s been in football long enough to know that it comes with the territory, I don’t feel sorry for him at all, he’s not flexible, the fans can see that and have a right to show their displeasure, if he can’t handle it that is another reason why he’s in the wrong job
What would you do if someone got in your taxi and shouted at you how much of a shit driver you were all through the journey?
I do a competent job, so your comments are not valid
But the passenger isn't thinking you're doing a competent job, so it is valid.
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You call them, but they are true fans that are upset with the stubbornness of some senior members of Club Doncaster, everyone is entitled to their opinions, they paid good money to go watch overpaid so called footballers. I wouldn’t waste my time and energy to watch this inapt coach,
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In my opinion yesterday's events can't just be brushed off as some kind of society problem because there's genuine reasons for the behaviour of some fans yesterday .
Their club is in turmoil and I suspect because many have seen this before at Rovers they are seriously concerned by it and it's adding extra fat to the flames .
The rot has to stop , it really does because the bottom three next season in league two is in play here right now .
You don't need me to highlight the consequences of relegation to the National League and in my opinion it's way tougher today than it was over 20 years ago and you didn't get straight back to the EFL then .
This is one of the most important summer's in Rovers history in my opinion and you simply have to get it right , you really do .
Tyke your 3 or 4 posts on this thread are absolutely spot on and extremely eloquently put. I'd recommend anyone goes back and reads them.
Perhaps your being able to view this malaise from afar and relatively dispassionately help in terms of you being able to sum up exactly what I, and I believe many Rovers fans are thinking right now, so very, very well.
I'd add by own thoughts, but they mirror yours exactly, and I'm so angry and upset right now with what's happening to my club that my missives will just be too emotive and incoherent in comparison.
Just to say that if DS is not removed from his post I am hugely concerned for this club and this city retaining football league status next season.
31 points from 28 matches under DS. 15 points from the last 18 matches (inc before the injuries kicked in - injuries that can easily happen next season again)
Totally agree with all comments above.
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I think it's hard to disagree with the comment from Mush, I'm in the Schofield out camp. But at the same time you have got to feel sorry for the bloke for what he went through yesterday.
He’s been in football long enough to know that it comes with the territory, I don’t feel sorry for him at all, he’s not flexible, the fans can see that and have a right to show their displeasure, if he can’t handle it that is another reason why he’s in the wrong job
What would you do if someone got in your taxi and shouted at you how much of a shit driver you were all through the journey?
I do a competent job, so your comments are not valid
But the passenger isn't thinking you're doing a competent job, so it is valid.
Silly comparison. Filo is by all accounts an experienced and competent driver, so the passenger thinking otherwise is unjustified.
DS is neither experienced nor competent.
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I think it's hard to disagree with the comment from Mush, I'm in the Schofield out camp. But at the same time you have got to feel sorry for the bloke for what he went through yesterday.
He’s been in football long enough to know that it comes with the territory, I don’t feel sorry for him at all, he’s not flexible, the fans can see that and have a right to show their displeasure, if he can’t handle it that is another reason why he’s in the wrong job
What would you do if someone got in your taxi and shouted at you how much of a shit driver you were all through the journey?
I do a competent job, so your comments are not valid
But the passenger isn't thinking you're doing a competent job, so it is valid.
Silly comparison. Filo is by all accounts an experienced and competent driver, so the passenger thinking otherwise is unjustified.
DS is neither experienced nor competent.
And the abuse does NOT 'go with the territory'. Never has.
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I think it's hard to disagree with the comment from Mush, I'm in the Schofield out camp. But at the same time you have got to feel sorry for the bloke for what he went through yesterday.
He’s been in football long enough to know that it comes with the territory, I don’t feel sorry for him at all, he’s not flexible, the fans can see that and have a right to show their displeasure, if he can’t handle it that is another reason why he’s in the wrong job
What would you do if someone got in your taxi and shouted at you how much of a shit driver you were all through the journey?
I do a competent job, so your comments are not valid
But the passenger isn't thinking you're doing a competent job, so it is valid.
Silly comparison. Filo is by all accounts an experienced and competent driver, so the passenger thinking otherwise is unjustified.
DS is neither experienced nor competent.
And the abuse does NOT 'go with the territory'. Never has.
Have you ever been to a professional level football match in the UK and stood/sat amongst the passionate, largely male and often to some degree inebriated supporters?
Your last post suggests that you haven't.
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It's a tough one, no one (as Glyn and others are saying) should be subject to relentless personal abuse, however I'm not sure what other form of protest is left for the fans. The vast majority of us are demanding a change, before it's too late, for our club. How else do we make clear to those in a position to make a decision that we must not start next year with this manager, that we will lose fans, and lose games and continue to lose the identity of the club we love. I don't think we're an unreasonable or cruel set of fans on the whole (by comparison to fans of other teams) but this is different, most of us have reached the end of our tether now and are trying to make those in power understand that.
The only other way I can think of is a total boycott, which would speak as loudly but cuts our nose off to spite our face in terms of no longer coming to be part of the club, at least in the short term.
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I think it's hard to disagree with the comment from Mush, I'm in the Schofield out camp. But at the same time you have got to feel sorry for the bloke for what he went through yesterday.
He’s been in football long enough to know that it comes with the territory, I don’t feel sorry for him at all, he’s not flexible, the fans can see that and have a right to show their displeasure, if he can’t handle it that is another reason why he’s in the wrong job
What would you do if someone got in your taxi and shouted at you how much of a shit driver you were all through the journey?
I do a competent job, so your comments are not valid
But the passenger isn't thinking you're doing a competent job, so it is valid.
Silly comparison. Filo is by all accounts an experienced and competent driver, so the passenger thinking otherwise is unjustified.
DS is neither experienced nor competent.
And the abuse does NOT 'go with the territory'. Never has.
Have you ever been to a professional level football match in the UK and stood/sat amongst the passionate, largely male and often to some degree inebriated supporters?
Your last post suggests that you haven't.
Just because t**ts act like that on a regular basis it doesn't mean it should be tolerated, let alone become accepted as 'going with the territory' as if it's written in someone's job description.
Racism and homophobia from football crowds used to 'go with the territory' too. One can only presume that you'd have just shrugged your shoulders at those too and nothing would have changed in respect to those either.
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Well I think you lads deserve better than you've had served up this season and last to be fair .
It's a culmination of the last two season's which probably contributed to yesterday's events .
Fans can be brutal but given what you've endured of late I find it perfectly understandable to be honest .
The fans care passionately about Rovers , you would have to care passionately about Rovers to even go to Harrogate yesterday given it was a dead game in an awful season and they are frustrated , rightly so .
How on earth are fans meant to show their frustration ?
Of course it's not going to be pleasant , they are extremely pyssed off .
That show of frustration yesterday may well be the trigger that rids you of DS and points to a brighter future next season .
If DS is upset then tough , if he hasn't worked out the reality of football failure and how fans frustration can boil over maybe he's in the wrong job .
Plenty of the folk that attend games done care passionately about the club, they’re just there for the booze and the aggro.
Every manager we’ve had over the last 3 years have got similar abuse, they’re just idiots
that is absolutely nonsense
Plenty of people there yesterday who don’t care about the club, not even watching the game, singing for harrogate to win, booing before we’d even kicked off.
Well I'd be thankful they are angry and frustrated if I was you because it means they still care .
It's to be hoped what comes after anger doesn't materialise .
It's called apathy and that's way worse than anger .
You can't normalise that level of abuse tyke, no matter what results are like.
In all the years of supporting this club I have never heard anything even approaching that level. No wonder the players couldn't perform as I'm convinced they were struggling with it as well.
There's a major movement afoot to ban 'tragedy chanting', i.e. Hillsborough, Munich air crash, etc and this, in my mind , falls into the same category.
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With respect SM, it doesn't come close to the same category. Abusing other fans because 96 of their friends and family have died is beyond reproach.
The treatment of Schofield is born out of absolute frustration of a clearly incompetent manager, and the refusal of those in power to do anything about that. I've said earlier in the thread I'm not sure what form of protest is left for fans now, but the atmosphere at Harrogate was as clear a demonstration as is possible that decent, loyal fans are demanding change. And the club are not listening to the vast majority of their paying customers, and it will have a massively detrimental impact on the club if it is not resolved satisfactorily.
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With respect SM, it doesn't come close to the same category. Abusing other fans because 96 of their friends and family have died is beyond reproach.
The treatment of Schofield is born out of absolute frustration of a clearly incompetent manager, and the refusal of those in power to do anything about that. I've said earlier in the thread I'm not sure what form of protest is left for fans now, but the atmosphere at Harrogate was as clear a demonstration as is possible that decent, loyal fans are demanding change. And the club are not listening to the vast majority of their paying customers, and it will have a massively detrimental impact on the club if it is not resolved satisfactorily.
My point is that football supporters seem to be of the mind that anything goes when at a game of football, that can't be the case.
As we used to say in the FSF its about Passion not Poison.
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With respect SM, it doesn't come close to the same category. Abusing other fans because 96 of their friends and family have died is beyond reproach.
The treatment of Schofield is born out of absolute frustration of a clearly incompetent manager, and the refusal of those in power to do anything about that. I've said earlier in the thread I'm not sure what form of protest is left for fans now, but the atmosphere at Harrogate was as clear a demonstration as is possible that decent, loyal fans are demanding change. And the club are not listening to the vast majority of their paying customers, and it will have a massively detrimental impact on the club if it is not resolved satisfactorily.
My point is that football supporters seem to be of the mind that anything goes when at a game of football, that can't be the case.
As we used to say in the FSF its about Passion not Poison.
I do agree, and that's really sensible and absolutely the right ethos. I think the pressure that's building is a symptom of the club not listening, and I can't seeing it getting any better until the fans are heard, so there is responsibility on both sides to resolve this.
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This wasnt a group of 20 or 30, it was larger numbers and it will continue to grow in numbers. It wasnt the majority, but the numbers are growing, the fans base is frustrated and it does appear the club has its head in the sand.
A complete lack of trust of the board and probably more important any trust in them making the correct decisions. I cannot see any reason to be positive about the club. The frustrations around DS are understandable, his poorly thought out after match interviews should be banned. I am guessing he has never had media training.
None of this means I liked the abuse he took Saturday. He is just a completely lost sheep, out of his depth.
To compare this kind of chanting to disaster chanting is wrong.
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I wasn’t at Harrogate. Couldn’t get a ticket . I have been privvy to “your football is shit” chants etc.
whilst sustained chanting of this nature is probably quite uncomfortable for the recipient, and for some observers, I believe it would fall under what currently constitutes “peaceful protest” in the uk. It’s not violent. Uncomfortable yes, but not against the law.
No different to people protesting about politics or human rights or animal rights, even those protests targetted at specific individuals such as prime minsters, home secretaries etc.
providing it doesn’t break any of the obvious public order acts or hate crimes, I can never see a situation where this sort of abuse is outlawed.
How many times have we heard the “f**king useless” chant when someone has messed up on the pitch? Or “you’re getting sacked in the morning? “
Everything aimed at Schofield falls under this. It’s a little more intense as it’s focussed on just him. But He knows the risks of being the fall guy of a football team in demise.
As has been said, how else can supporters air their feelings and frustrations?
And with respect, to tag this under the same headline as tragedies where lives have been lost is a little off piste imo.
That said. After the sad loss of Caroline Flacks life I seem to recall there was a #bekind movement sprung up. DS would have to have a pretty thick skin to ignore or shrug off such abuse. It’s probably not too off piste to suggest it could be affecting his mental health. At which point this perhaps is an issue.
I’m usure how this sort of movement would fare in the professional football world given what goes on on pitches up and down the country every Saturday. Is this something we would want? I’m unsure.
One thing is for sure, as long as rovers woes continue on the pitch, then the board, JC and Ds’s woes will continue off it.
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Let’s consider at the last count on here over 90% want him gone . Before the next game . Now transpose that to an average crowd and of those 90% some will be more than happy to air their views, how ever distasteful they may be to some .
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I agree that it must be hard for Schofield to hear those chants and it must be hard for him to have to take.
I said as much a couple of weeks ago when it first started.
It can’t be classed as a tragedy song though.
Sadly, it goes with the job when someone becomes a football player or manager.
I also reckon that if Copps didn’t have the legend background then he would be on the receiving end of some similar chants.
I remember a few years ago when Billy Sharp was playing for us at Bramall Lane.
One of my pals is a SUFC season ticket holder and sits near Billy’s family.
He told me that BS was getting some really bad abuse from the home fans and that his parents left the ground because of it.
Sadly it happens all the time in football.
Jonny Mitchell is getting a lot of stick from our fans too right now due to his recent mistakes.
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I was at Harrogate and did not like the personal nature of what was thrown at DS. Some of the crowd near me (in the standing area) seemed happy that it was impacting DS, and in their words, he looked like he was gonna cry. The away crowd being right next to the dug out made it worse. Understand the fans frustration and have no answer as to how fans let their feelings known without it impacting on DS but felt it went too far on Saturday.
Agree DS is doing nothing currently, which would suggest he can turn this around. He is following the textbook definition of madness. But I hope he does turn it around and is successful at Donny both for us but also for him personally.
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Well I think you lads deserve better than you've had served up this season and last to be fair .
It's a culmination of the last two season's which probably contributed to yesterday's events .
Fans can be brutal but given what you've endured of late I find it perfectly understandable to be honest .
The fans care passionately about Rovers , you would have to care passionately about Rovers to even go to Harrogate yesterday given it was a dead game in an awful season and they are frustrated , rightly so .
How on earth are fans meant to show their frustration ?
Of course it's not going to be pleasant , they are extremely pyssed off .
That show of frustration yesterday may well be the trigger that rids you of DS and points to a brighter future next season .
If DS is upset then tough , if he hasn't worked out the reality of football failure and how fans frustration can boil over maybe he's in the wrong job .
Plenty of the folk that attend games done care passionately about the club, they’re just there for the booze and the aggro.
Every manager we’ve had over the last 3 years have got similar abuse, they’re just idiots
that is absolutely nonsense
Plenty of people there yesterday who don’t care about the club, not even watching the game, singing for harrogate to win, booing before we’d even kicked off.
Well I'd be thankful they are angry and frustrated if I was you because it means they still care .
It's to be hoped what comes after anger doesn't materialise .
It's called apathy and that's way worse than anger .
You can't normalise that level of abuse tyke, no matter what results are like.
In all the years of supporting this club I have never heard anything even approaching that level. No wonder the players couldn't perform as I'm convinced they were struggling with it as well.
There's a major movement afoot to ban 'tragedy chanting', i.e. Hillsborough, Munich air crash, etc and this, in my mind , falls into the same category.
I don't really have to normalise something that is in essence normal .
A club has a very disappointing couple of seasons of major under-achievment including a relegation to the lowest tier .
The football on display isn't working and you are losing games left , right and centre .
The manger doesn't seem capable of a change in tactics or formation .
Things have come to a head with the manager getting dogs abuse .
There really isn't anything in the slightest that's unusual about that other than I'm personally surprised it's taken this long .
To put it in the same box as Tragedy Chanting is pretty poor with all due respect to yourself .
It's an emotional game and that emotion can go two ways and right now it's going in a direction you clearly don't like .
Tell you what SM , how's about the critics stay away and starve the club of finance , would that be a better option for you ?
These fans pay their money and they are entitled to vent their anger , I draw the line at having a go at DS's family or his kids and stuff like that but if they are calling him out on his managerial record , his teams performance and so forth in no uncertain terms then that's reasonable .
As I say the next stage is apathy and staying away altogether .
Be thankful they care enough to still be angry .
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Yet more incorrectly saying personal abuse 'it goes with the job'. No it doesn't and never has.
All we need now is for someone to excuse it away as 'banter' to complete the bingo card.
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Yes it has always been the case in football.
I’m not saying it is right but it is usual for it to be like is now for a failing manager.
No one is suggestion it is banter either.
How else can supporters make their feelings known to the club.
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Yes it has always been the case in football.
I’m not saying it is right but it is usual for it to be like is now for a failing manager.
No one is suggestion it is banter either.
How else can supporters make their feelings known to the club.
Do you not think the club already know how the fans feel?
Do you think people like me don't express our opinions when we talk to them? Or does it have to be shouted in an abusive manner?
So, what your saying is that it's not right and it's not banter, shouldn't it be called out for what it is then?
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Yes it has always been the case in football.
I’m not saying it is right but it is usual for it to be like is now for a failing manager.
No one is suggestion it is banter either.
How else can supporters make their feelings known to the club.
Do you not think the club already know how the fans feel?
Do you think people like me don't express our opinions when we talk to them? Or does it have to be shouted in an abusive manner?
So, what your saying is that it's not right and it's not banter, shouldn't it be called out for what it is then?
In some ways that makes me feel worse though, because if the club know how the vast majority of our fans feel, then they are choosing to ignore us. Maybe the club don't rely on season ticket income as an important revenue stream, but it's a very very dangerous game for a business to ignore a massive section of its customers. So what are our options as fans now? The club have heard us but are ignoring us - where left is there to go?
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Well I think you lads deserve better than you've had served up this season and last to be fair .
It's a culmination of the last two season's which probably contributed to yesterday's events .
Fans can be brutal but given what you've endured of late I find it perfectly understandable to be honest .
The fans care passionately about Rovers , you would have to care passionately about Rovers to even go to Harrogate yesterday given it was a dead game in an awful season and they are frustrated , rightly so .
How on earth are fans meant to show their frustration ?
Of course it's not going to be pleasant , they are extremely pyssed off .
That show of frustration yesterday may well be the trigger that rids you of DS and points to a brighter future next season .
If DS is upset then tough , if he hasn't worked out the reality of football failure and how fans frustration can boil over maybe he's in the wrong job .
Plenty of the folk that attend games done care passionately about the club, they’re just there for the booze and the aggro.
Every manager we’ve had over the last 3 years have got similar abuse, they’re just idiots
that is absolutely nonsense
Plenty of people there yesterday who don’t care about the club, not even watching the game, singing for harrogate to win, booing before we’d even kicked off.
Well I'd be thankful they are angry and frustrated if I was you because it means they still care .
It's to be hoped what comes after anger doesn't materialise .
It's called apathy and that's way worse than anger .
You can't normalise that level of abuse tyke, no matter what results are like.
In all the years of supporting this club I have never heard anything even approaching that level. No wonder the players couldn't perform as I'm convinced they were struggling with it as well.
There's a major movement afoot to ban 'tragedy chanting', i.e. Hillsborough, Munich air crash, etc and this, in my mind , falls into the same category.
I don't really have to normalise something that is in essence normal .
A club has a very disappointing couple of seasons of major under-achievment including a relegation to the lowest tier .
The football on display isn't working and you are losing games left , right and centre .
The manger doesn't seem capable of a change in tactics or formation .
Things have come to a head with the manager getting dogs abuse .
There really isn't anything in the slightest that's unusual about that other than I'm personally surprised it's taken this long .
To put it in the same box as Tragedy Chanting is pretty poor with all due respect to yourself .
It's an emotional game and that emotion can go two ways and right now it's going in a direction you clearly don't like .
Tell you what SM , how's about the critics stay away and starve the club of finance , would that be a better option for you ?
These fans pay their money and they are entitled to vent their anger , I draw the line at having a go at DS's family or his kids and stuff like that but if they are calling him out on his managerial record , his teams performance and so forth in no uncertain terms then that's reasonable .
As I say the next stage is apathy and staying away altogether .
Be thankful they care enough to still be angry .
I often wonder why those fans who shout abuse are always considered to be the loyal fans, the hard core. Aren't people like me hard core too, and loyal?
Be thankful they care enough to be angry? That's a nonsense too, assuming that only the angry ones care enough.
I've been involved in more football campaigns than I care to mention, but I can guarantee that you never make progress if this is how you rely on getting your point across. there are lines you don't cross, and for me those lines were crossed on Saturday. And I wasn't the only one, the people staying away in future will be people like me, those who care enough to be upset by the vilification of the staff at DRFC.
That's not support, not in the slightest.
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It is an unusual situation in football as the overwhelming majority of clubs would have sacked him some time ago. Thus you might expect that the abuse (which by its very nature is coarse) is reaching abnormal levels of intensity. Would it be correct to say that none of his recent predecessors have suffered as much? I would also venture to suggest that his blinkered reaction to criticism of the team's failures - as compared with his immediate predecessors will not have gone down well either. I remember Wellens apologising and neither McSheffery nor Butler being so dogged in their style when questioned.
I would guess that many of us would have recognised that we had no future at the club and resigned by now and that course is open to him. It won't stop unless there is a near-miraculous turn-around.
The solution is on his own hands.
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Yes it has always been the case in football.
I’m not saying it is right but it is usual for it to be like is now for a failing manager.
No one is suggestion it is banter either.
How else can supporters make their feelings known to the club.
Do you not think the club already know how the fans feel?
Do you think people like me don't express our opinions when we talk to them? Or does it have to be shouted in an abusive manner?
So, what your saying is that it's not right and it's not banter, shouldn't it be called out for what it is then?
In some ways that makes me feel worse though, because if the club know how the vast majority of our fans feel, then they are choosing to ignore us. Maybe the club don't rely on season ticket income as an important revenue stream, but it's a very very dangerous game for a business to ignore a massive section of its customers. So what are our options as fans now? The club have heard us but are ignoring us - where left is there to go?
So, you want the club to let the fans make the decisions then, because essentially that's what you're asking for. Of course a business doesn't ignore its customers, but they still have a club to run, they're the ones negotiating with sponsors, players, staff members, and if you think about it potential new owners. How do think that would play out if a potential new owner can see that the supporters are the ones deciding who the manager should be or when his times up?
We're at the end of a very poor season, I fail to see how a few weeks is going to change anything.
PS - I'm not saying we are talking to new owners, just how would it look if we were?
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Yes it has always been the case in football.
I’m not saying it is right but it is usual for it to be like is now for a failing manager.
No one is suggestion it is banter either.
How else can supporters make their feelings known to the club.
Do you not think the club already know how the fans feel?
Do you think people like me don't express our opinions when we talk to them? Or does it have to be shouted in an abusive manner?
So, what your saying is that it's not right and it's not banter, shouldn't it be called out for what it is then?
In some ways that makes me feel worse though, because if the club know how the vast majority of our fans feel, then they are choosing to ignore us. Maybe the club don't rely on season ticket income as an important revenue stream, but it's a very very dangerous game for a business to ignore a massive section of its customers. So what are our options as fans now? The club have heard us but are ignoring us - where left is there to go?
So, you want the club to let the fans make the decisions then, because essentially that's what you're asking for. Of course a business doesn't ignore its customers, but they still have a club to run, they're the ones negotiating with sponsors, players, staff members, and if you think about it potential new owners. How do think that would play out if a potential new owner can see that the supporters are the ones deciding who the manager should be or when his times up?
We're at the end of a very poor season, I fail to see how a few weeks is going to change anything.
PS - I'm not saying we are talking to new owners, just how would it look if we were?
Not even "fans".
A mouthy subset of the fan base.
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Yes it has always been the case in football.
I’m not saying it is right but it is usual for it to be like is now for a failing manager.
No one is suggestion it is banter either.
How else can supporters make their feelings known to the club.
Do you not think the club already know how the fans feel?
Do you think people like me don't express our opinions when we talk to them? Or does it have to be shouted in an abusive manner?
So, what your saying is that it's not right and it's not banter, shouldn't it be called out for what it is then?
In some ways that makes me feel worse though, because if the club know how the vast majority of our fans feel, then they are choosing to ignore us. Maybe the club don't rely on season ticket income as an important revenue stream, but it's a very very dangerous game for a business to ignore a massive section of its customers. So what are our options as fans now? The club have heard us but are ignoring us - where left is there to go?
So, you want the club to let the fans make the decisions then, because essentially that's what you're asking for. Of course a business doesn't ignore its customers, but they still have a club to run, they're the ones negotiating with sponsors, players, staff members, and if you think about it potential new owners. How do think that would play out if a potential new owner can see that the supporters are the ones deciding who the manager should be or when his times up?
We're at the end of a very poor season, I fail to see how a few weeks is going to change anything.
PS - I'm not saying we are talking to new owners, just how would it look if we were?
Fans decide the future of pretty much every very manger in the country. As soon as they lose the support of the fan base then it’s pretty much time up
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SM: I can see that you feel that you must give the Owners' perspective, but I wonder whether you always get the balance right. Suggesting that the fans should not be allowed to dictate policy and that a new owner might believe that to be the culture at DRFC is to take the current situation out of context. One might make a counter argument that on recent evidence, this is a club that paid little attention to the views of its customers, the fans.
Schofield does not help himself when he talks to the media. The DFP's main quotation from his pre Stevenage press call make no reference to the fans and their obvious continuing disappointment. He might show that he cares for their feelings too.
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Well I think you lads deserve better than you've had served up this season and last to be fair .
It's a culmination of the last two season's which probably contributed to yesterday's events .
Fans can be brutal but given what you've endured of late I find it perfectly understandable to be honest .
The fans care passionately about Rovers , you would have to care passionately about Rovers to even go to Harrogate yesterday given it was a dead game in an awful season and they are frustrated , rightly so .
How on earth are fans meant to show their frustration ?
Of course it's not going to be pleasant , they are extremely pyssed off .
That show of frustration yesterday may well be the trigger that rids you of DS and points to a brighter future next season .
If DS is upset then tough , if he hasn't worked out the reality of football failure and how fans frustration can boil over maybe he's in the wrong job .
Plenty of the folk that attend games done care passionately about the club, they’re just there for the booze and the aggro.
Every manager we’ve had over the last 3 years have got similar abuse, they’re just idiots
that is absolutely nonsense
Plenty of people there yesterday who don’t care about the club, not even watching the game, singing for harrogate to win, booing before we’d even kicked off.
Well I'd be thankful they are angry and frustrated if I was you because it means they still care .
It's to be hoped what comes after anger doesn't materialise .
It's called apathy and that's way worse than anger .
You can't normalise that level of abuse tyke, no matter what results are like.
In all the years of supporting this club I have never heard anything even approaching that level. No wonder the players couldn't perform as I'm convinced they were struggling with it as well.
There's a major movement afoot to ban 'tragedy chanting', i.e. Hillsborough, Munich air crash, etc and this, in my mind , falls into the same category.
I don't really have to normalise something that is in essence normal .
A club has a very disappointing couple of seasons of major under-achievment including a relegation to the lowest tier .
The football on display isn't working and you are losing games left , right and centre .
The manger doesn't seem capable of a change in tactics or formation .
Things have come to a head with the manager getting dogs abuse .
There really isn't anything in the slightest that's unusual about that other than I'm personally surprised it's taken this long .
To put it in the same box as Tragedy Chanting is pretty poor with all due respect to yourself .
It's an emotional game and that emotion can go two ways and right now it's going in a direction you clearly don't like .
Tell you what SM , how's about the critics stay away and starve the club of finance , would that be a better option for you ?
These fans pay their money and they are entitled to vent their anger , I draw the line at having a go at DS's family or his kids and stuff like that but if they are calling him out on his managerial record , his teams performance and so forth in no uncertain terms then that's reasonable .
As I say the next stage is apathy and staying away altogether .
Be thankful they care enough to still be angry .
I've been involved in more football campaigns than I care to mention, but I can guarantee that you never make progress if this is how you rely on getting your point across. there are lines you don't cross, and for me those lines were crossed on Saturday. And I wasn't the only one, the people staying away in future will be people like me, those who care enough to be upset by the vilification of the staff at DRFC.
That's not support, not in the slightest.
How's that worked out these last two years SM ?
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Is anyone able to provide context about what the abuse actually was for those of us who weren’t there? I said the other day that Schofield must have gone into the job with his eyes open about how things can get if it goes badly, by which I meant booing, shouts of things along the lines of “this is shit Schofield”, “you deserve to be sacked Schofield” or “you don’t know what you’re doing”. Stuff beyond that, to me, is over the line, but it’s difficult to know whether our fans have crossed that line or indeed equivalence should be drawn with racism/homophobia/tragedy chanting without actually knowing what’s being shouted!
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I’d like to know what “personal abuse” ds received at Harrogate from anyone that was there.
Criticising his football ethos, process, decision making around tactics and subs etc I have no issue with. Or the widely regarded perception that he doesn’t know what he is doing based on lack of experience. I’m ok with that.
Anything aimed at his family though is bang out of order. It has been suggested that this was the case, can anyone who was there and bore witness testify ?
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Well to suggest the club don’t listen to fans is stupid.
The VSC through SM talk very regularly.
The supporters club through, Len, Paul & Melanie are always chatting to Shaun & Gavin.
Then there’s the Shadow Board which I’m proud to be part of. We have meetings with GB & SL & constantly talk to these gents just about every other day.
These people who in the main are elected & are volunteers. If we reacted to every call to get rid of a manager, sign a player or extend a contract, then I’d never be off the phone.
If anyone thinks that they can make the club listen “ more” or react quicker, then come & join us on the respective boards.
By yelling & screaming “ abuse” won’t win you any favours.
EVERYONE is against the football we are watching & the club totally gets that.
I can’t wait to see you all apply for the Shadow Board when it’s announced shortly.
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Is anyone able to provide context about what the abuse actually was for those of us who weren’t there? I said the other day that Schofield must have gone into the job with his eyes open about how things can get if it goes badly, by which I meant booing, shouts of things along the lines of “this is shit Schofield”, “you deserve to be sacked Schofield” or “you don’t know what you’re doing”. Stuff beyond that, to me, is over the line, but it’s difficult to know whether our fans have crossed that line or indeed equivalence should be drawn with racism/homophobia/tragedy chanting without actually knowing what’s being shouted!
It was a wide range of dissent, some of it 'your football is shite' type chants, some of it individuals shouting direct and personal insults e.g. you useless c*** etc. It was a definite majority voicing issues and the whole atmosphere was really toxic for the whole game - made worse by the fact the away dugout was right next to the loudest section of the away fans - so Schofield was only a couple of meters away from the shouts. The content / suitability aside, I think the message (i.e. the most fans are unhappy with Schofield and want him gone) is really really clear, and even where fans seemed to be disagreeing with the content of chants, where I was stood most still wanted him gone. It wasn't a few daft kids, it was a large section of the crowd which was made up entirely of season ticket holders.
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Bit of a point being missed here.
The fans, especially on Saturday, were not as one singing songs of discontent with the way things have been going over however long. The chants were neanderthal, abusive, not very imaginative and split the fan base. Most of the fans know what our position is but will not at any point join in with the banal hounding of another human being. Come up with something constructive that gets the point across at least.
The guys that were chanting were half cut and virtually stood behind the bench. It was very uncomfortable especially when we 2-0 up and at that point cruising. For anyone there that spent good money and time off work to support the team during the 90 minutes it completely took away any enjoyment with a few vowing to not return.
As a travelling support we sounded and looked awful especially in front of our newest rivals. Good day out totally spoilt!
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I’d like to know what “personal abuse” ds received at Harrogate from anyone that was there.
Criticising his football ethos, process decision making around tactics and subs etc I have no issue with. Or the widely regarded perception that he doesn’t know what he is doing based on lack of experience. I’m ok with that.
Anything aimed at his family though is bang out of order. It has been suggested that this was the case, can anyone who was there and bore witness testify ?
Family , kids etc etc is way way unacceptable .
The thing is sometimes dialogue and the so called doing the right thing doesn't work and you have to show some teeth .
Who was it that was instrumental in getting rid of the threat of the European Super League ?
The Man Utd fans who broke in to Old Trafford and got the Liverpool game abandoned ?
The thousands of fans protesting outside Stamford Bridge , The Emirates or Anfield complete with pyros etc etc .
Or was it dialogue ?
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Well to suggest the club don’t listen to fans is stupid.
The VSC through SM talk very regularly.
The supporters club through, Len, Paul & Melanie are always chatting to Shaun & Gavin.
Then there’s the Shadow Board which I’m proud to be part of. We have meetings with GB & SL & constantly talk to these gents just about every other day.
These people who in the main are elected & are volunteers. If we reacted to every call to get rid of a manager, sign a player or extend a contract, then I’d never be off the phone.
If anyone thinks that they can make the club listen “ more” or react quicker, then come & join us on the respective boards.
By yelling & screaming “ abuse” won’t win you any favours.
EVERYONE is against the football we are watching & the club totally gets that.
I can’t wait to see you all apply for the Shadow Board when it’s announced shortly.
I respect and applaud the time and effort of all the volunteers supporting the club, and advocating for fans. But at the moment either a. you're advocating for Schofield to stay, or b. you're being ignored. We're paying customers of a business providing a single product, which at the moment is unacceptably poor - using any measure it's diabolically bad. The only solution shouldn't be to join the shadow board or similar, the voice of the majority should be heard, and there has to be a way to tell the club directly that this manager is destroying our club and needs to be gone. I agree that there is no justification for abuse, but the club keep wheeling him out in front on fans the majority of whom want him gone - what do they think is going to keep happening?
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That’s a massive problem, we have been playing some good stuff in the last few games, and his playing style is looking like it is starting to work, and whilst missing the so called better players.
To be getting that abuse even when you’re winning and playing quite well is appalling.
We do not need these types of people at the club. That is not passion for the club or team, you are not supporters - just brain dead morons who are enjoying their time in the sun as pied pipers to the youth, fuelled by drink and drugs - sad.
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It’s part of the contract to place DS before the media/press pre & post match.
Show me one fan that likes what we’re seeing at this time & id be stunned.
We feed all the information to the likes of Gavin & Shaun.
They in turn relay this to David Blunt. I’ll be bold enough to suggest the latter who has the final say. That’s why I’ll defend Gavin, as he’s the one keeping the club going on a daily basis.
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I would add, Reg, the product is bad for a number of reasons, not just Schofield. We certainly have quite a few issues and these have been gradually getting worse or, at least, not getting any better!
The owner has suggested one thing to correct the ongoing slide, whether that alone works remains to be seen, but there’s more to it than that, I believe.
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Tyke, I don’t see it as good or bad “fans”
These people seem incapable of normal and decent behaviour- there is a line where the odd comment can be accepted, but an onslaught as reported on here is just out of line.
These are the same people who can be a real asset when times are great, but when times are bad…
Then there is those who have had an agenda for a couple of seasons, they are incapable of gaining any traction, so use the youths voice to try and gain some form of backing and this is fuelling the hatred.
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Yes it has always been the case in football.
I’m not saying it is right but it is usual for it to be like is now for a failing manager.
No one is suggestion it is banter either.
How else can supporters make their feelings known to the club.
Do you not think the club already know how the fans feel?
Do you think people like me don't express our opinions when we talk to them? Or does it have to be shouted in an abusive manner?
So, what your saying is that it's not right and it's not banter, shouldn't it be called out for what it is then?
I’m saying nothing of the sort SM (that it shouldn’t be called out) and it isn’t me or you who are doing the shouting.
There are many who are doing the shouting though.
I truly hope that the club know how the fans feel but in all honesty we don’t know because no one from the club talks to the fan base about it.
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That’s a massive problem, we have been playing some good stuff in the last few games, and his playing style is looking like it is starting to work, and whilst missing the so called better players.
To be getting that abuse even when you’re winning and playing quite well is appalling.
We do not need these types of people at the club. That is not passion for the club or team, you are not supporters - just brain dead morons who are enjoying their time in the sun as pied pipers to the youth, fuelled by drink and drugs - sad.
is this a joke? Starting to work? Aside from a couple of decent strikes by Barlow we have been dire ffs
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I’d like to know what “personal abuse” ds received at Harrogate from anyone that was there.
Criticising his football ethos, process, decision making around tactics and subs etc I have no issue with. Or the widely regarded perception that he doesn’t know what he is doing based on lack of experience. I’m ok with that.
Anything aimed at his family though is bang out of order. It has been suggested that this was the case, can anyone who was there and bore witness testify ?
I was close to the dugout, the worst I heard was "we've got shitty Danny Schofield ", instead of super etc...
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I’d like to know what “personal abuse” ds received at Harrogate from anyone that was there.
Criticising his football ethos, process, decision making around tactics and subs etc I have no issue with. Or the widely regarded perception that he doesn’t know what he is doing based on lack of experience. I’m ok with that.
Anything aimed at his family though is bang out of order. It has been suggested that this was the case, can anyone who was there and bore witness testify ?
I was close to the dugout, the worst I heard was "we've got shitty Danny Schofield ", instead of super etc...
I was there as well but nearer to the fence between the sets of fans.
I heard far worse for most of the first half. It was sheer hate coming from some fans.
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I’d like to know what “personal abuse” ds received at Harrogate from anyone that was there.
Criticising his football ethos, process, decision making around tactics and subs etc I have no issue with. Or the widely regarded perception that he doesn’t know what he is doing based on lack of experience. I’m ok with that.
Anything aimed at his family though is bang out of order. It has been suggested that this was the case, can anyone who was there and bore witness testify ?
I was close to the dugout, the worst I heard was "we've got shitty Danny Schofield ", instead of super etc...
I was there as well but nearer to the fence between the sets of fans.
I heard far worse for most of the first half. It was sheer hate coming from some fans.
The thing was, it was relentless for 90 minutes
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The chants didn't help the team at all.
The individual abuse was just sick in a lot of cases.
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That’s a massive problem, we have been playing some good stuff in the last few games, and his playing style is looking like it is starting to work, and whilst missing the so called better players.
To be getting that abuse even when you’re winning and playing quite well is appalling.
We do not need these types of people at the club. That is not passion for the club or team, you are not supporters - just brain dead morons who are enjoying their time in the sun as pied pipers to the youth, fuelled by drink and drugs - sad.
starting to work?
are you watching tonights game??
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Yes, we are really poor tonight, but that is not how we have played in the last few games is it - the problem is people are so entrenched in their opinions they can’t see when we have started to play better, they cannot accept it.
I am not saying he deserves to keep, or stay in his job. I do think it would be fair to see him have a crack with his own players. He has inherited a s?!. group of players that can’t play any style.
What I don’t think he deserves is the abuse.
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I’d like to know what “personal abuse” ds received at Harrogate from anyone that was there.
Criticising his football ethos, process decision making around tactics and subs etc I have no issue with. Or the widely regarded perception that he doesn’t know what he is doing based on lack of experience. I’m ok with that.
Anything aimed at his family though is bang out of order. It has been suggested that this was the case, can anyone who was there and bore witness testify ?
Family , kids etc etc is way way unacceptable .
The thing is sometimes dialogue and the so called doing the right thing doesn't work and you have to show some teeth .
Who was it that was instrumental in getting rid of the threat of the European Super League ?
The Man Utd fans who broke in to Old Trafford and got the Liverpool game abandoned ?
The thousands of fans protesting outside Stamford Bridge , The Emirates or Anfield complete with pyros etc etc .
Or was it dialogue ?
Tyke, I could write a dozen pages on how we dealt with the ESL and in the end, as always, it was dialogue that did it.
We knew at least 12 months in advance that this was coming and therefore we prepared the ground. We'd discussed this with UEFA, the EPL and FA, on top of that we'd prepared our APPG (All Party Parliamentary Group) where we act as secretariat, and therefore had immediate access to the PM. That triggered the FLR that the Tory Government promised and had the PM threatening the leading clubs that should they attempt it he would legislate.
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I see most of the people on here defending the abuse dished out weren't actually at the game, or in some cases not even supporters of DRFC.
I have no intention of defining what was said, however for those who do acknowledge that chants involving family etc are wrong then rest assured there was a lot of that, some of it way beyond the pale.
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I wasn’t at the game and I’m not condoning whatever bad behaviour went off.
All I will say is that it should not deflect attention away from what is going on at the Club right now. We are in a truly shocking state and it appears to be getting worse by the day. I can very much understand the level of frustration felt by the majority of supporters.
Please can someone assure, at least those of us still left that are bothered, that something major is going to be done to stop the free-fall. And I don’t mean tinkering, it’s going to take some monumental changes to sort this out and get us back on the upward curve.
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I am hoping it will not distract, but bring it perfectly in focus.
Danny is showing the board that the level of investment has not been enough, coupled with poor player identification, and this has led to the current squad we have.
It is also saying that if you want me to play the style you employed me to implement, you need to invest.
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I see most of the people on here defending the abuse dished out weren't actually at the game, or in some cases not even supporters of DRFC.
I have no intention of defining what was said, however for those who do acknowledge that chants involving family etc are wrong then rest assured there was a lot of that, some of it way beyond the pale.
That's disgusting behaviour and shouldn't be tolerated.
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I was at the game and not far from the dugout which was close to the away fans not good for Scofield but most of the comments I heard was ,your football is shit and Garry mcsheffery was better than you and get out of our club ,nothing personal about his family or brother who died which was mentioned on Facebook which as a fan did not even no about and if this did happen the fans should be banned for life , the atmosphere was toxic even at 2 nil up and never stopped from start to finish ,never seen a rovers manager get so much abuse since weaver was in charge under uncle Ken , I understand he is the manager but he is never going to win the fans around and nobody wants him to fail but it's just not working , I would have more respect for him if he was honest and said yes it's not good enough but he doesn't,I think he must watch a different game to me most weeks as I see nothing positive in what he is trying to achieve
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I wasn’t at the game and I’m not condoning whatever bad behaviour went off.
All I will say is that it should not deflect attention away from what is going on at the Club right now. We are in a truly shocking state and it appears to be getting worse by the day. I can very much understand the level of frustration felt by the majority of supporters.
Please can someone assure, at least those of us still left that are bothered, that something major is going to be done to stop the free-fall. And I don’t mean tinkering, it’s going to take some monumental changes to sort this out and get us back on the upward curve.
The above is also my viewpoint.
As far as I am aware all the tickets sold for the Harrogate game were sold to season ticket holders.
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It is bad behaviour and nobody should be proud of it, but it comes from pure frustration.
Nobody is seeing any change, that is the frustration, the club are creating this, they have held onto him far far far too long
The first step is there, now we have investment.
The next step is to get people in who can do something with it.
The frustration is nothing will change with this guy he has shown with a decent set of players and a reduced selection.
The frustration is turning to anger as the process with this guy and the boards inability and timescale to react is far to long.
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I wasn’t at the game and I’m not condoning whatever bad behaviour went off.
All I will say is that it should not deflect attention away from what is going on at the Club right now. We are in a truly shocking state and it appears to be getting worse by the day. I can very much understand the level of frustration felt by the majority of supporters.
Please can someone assure, at least those of us still left that are bothered, that something major is going to be done to stop the free-fall. And I don’t mean tinkering, it’s going to take some monumental changes to sort this out and get us back on the upward curve.
The above is also my viewpoint.
As far as I am aware all the tickets sold for the Harrogate game were sold to season ticket holders.
There were plenty of tickets sold via social media,
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Well to suggest the club don’t listen to fans is stupid.
The VSC through SM talk very regularly.
The supporters club through, Len, Paul & Melanie are always chatting to Shaun & Gavin.
Then there’s the Shadow Board which I’m proud to be part of. We have meetings with GB & SL & constantly talk to these gents just about every other day.
These people who in the main are elected & are volunteers. If we reacted to every call to get rid of a manager, sign a player or extend a contract, then I’d never be off the phone.
If anyone thinks that they can make the club listen “ more” or react quicker, then come & join us on the respective boards.
By yelling & screaming “ abuse” won’t win you any favours.
EVERYONE is against the football we are watching & the club totally gets that.
I can’t wait to see you all apply for the Shadow Board when it’s announced shortly.
I respect and applaud the time and effort of all the volunteers supporting the club, and advocating for fans. But at the moment either a. you're advocating for Schofield to stay, or b. you're being ignored. We're paying customers of a business providing a single product, which at the moment is unacceptably poor - using any measure it's diabolically bad. The only solution shouldn't be to join the shadow board or similar, the voice of the majority should be heard, and there has to be a way to tell the club directly that this manager is destroying our club and needs to be gone. I agree that there is no justification for abuse, but the club keep wheeling him out in front on fans the majority of whom want him gone - what do they think is going to keep happening?
It's B, it has been for years
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I wasn’t at the game and I’m not condoning whatever bad behaviour went off.
All I will say is that it should not deflect attention away from what is going on at the Club right now. We are in a truly shocking state and it appears to be getting worse by the day. I can very much understand the level of frustration felt by the majority of supporters.
Please can someone assure, at least those of us still left that are bothered, that something major is going to be done to stop the free-fall. And I don’t mean tinkering, it’s going to take some monumental changes to sort this out and get us back on the upward curve.
The above is also my viewpoint.
As far as I am aware all the tickets sold for the Harrogate game were sold to season ticket holders.
There were plenty of tickets sold via social media,
I thought that was against F A rules
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I wasn’t at the game and I’m not condoning whatever bad behaviour went off.
All I will say is that it should not deflect attention away from what is going on at the Club right now. We are in a truly shocking state and it appears to be getting worse by the day. I can very much understand the level of frustration felt by the majority of supporters.
Please can someone assure, at least those of us still left that are bothered, that something major is going to be done to stop the free-fall. And I don’t mean tinkering, it’s going to take some monumental changes to sort this out and get us back on the upward curve.
The above is also my viewpoint.
As far as I am aware all the tickets sold for the Harrogate game were sold to season ticket holders.
There were plenty of tickets sold via social media,
I thought that was against F A rules
May well be, but impossible to police
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I wasn’t at the game and I’m not condoning whatever bad behaviour went off.
All I will say is that it should not deflect attention away from what is going on at the Club right now. We are in a truly shocking state and it appears to be getting worse by the day. I can very much understand the level of frustration felt by the majority of supporters.
Please can someone assure, at least those of us still left that are bothered, that something major is going to be done to stop the free-fall. And I don’t mean tinkering, it’s going to take some monumental changes to sort this out and get us back on the upward curve.
The above is also my viewpoint.
As far as I am aware all the tickets sold for the Harrogate game were sold to season ticket holders.
There were plenty of tickets sold via social media,
If that were s the case I wonder whether the people who sold them on social media can be tracked down and banned from buying away tickets in the future.
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A lot of our fans today were an absolute disgrace.
I’ve never been so disappointed at an away game in hundreds of games since 1962.
Not just the negativity and constant foul and abusive language and moronic chants but the lack of support for the team as well.
There was one guy there with his son who was about seven. He swore constantly whist explaining to his son where DS was going wrong.
There’s no wonder the young players are scared to death of making a mistake a lot of the time.
Not a great advert for Doncaster.
If you we’re offended, then ask him not to sware
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They are total d!ckheads. Leeds Utd have around 40,000 of them, Only one way to shut them up
Mr right
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It was quite telling yesterday that after both Rovers goals the players made no attempt to celebrate near our fans. Barlow ran to the subs warming up and Molyneux ran straight to the photographer. Faulkner and Seaman the most engaged with the fans but the remainder all pretty much ignored us.
Can’t blame them though
Your either the biggest windup person on here, or just someone who’s got no footballing knowledge at all ,
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Well I think you lads deserve better than you've had served up this season and last to be fair .
It's a culmination of the last two season's which probably contributed to yesterday's events .
Fans can be brutal but given what you've endured of late I find it perfectly understandable to be honest .
The fans care passionately about Rovers , you would have to care passionately about Rovers to even go to Harrogate yesterday given it was a dead game in an awful season and they are frustrated , rightly so .
How on earth are fans meant to show their frustration ?
Of course it's not going to be pleasant , they are extremely pyssed off .
That show of frustration yesterday may well be the trigger that rids you of DS and points to a brighter future next season .
If DS is upset then tough , if he hasn't worked out the reality of football failure and how fans frustration can boil over maybe he's in the wrong job .
Plenty of the folk that attend games done care passionately about the club, they’re just there for the booze and the aggro.
Every manager we’ve had over the last 3 years have got similar abuse, they’re just idiots
that is absolutely nonsense
Plenty of people there yesterday who don’t care about the club, not even watching the game, singing for harrogate to win, booing before we’d even kicked off.
Well I'd be thankful they are angry and frustrated if I was you because it means they still care .
It's to be hoped what comes after anger doesn't materialise .
It's called apathy and that's way worse than anger .
You can't normalise that level of abuse tyke, no matter what results are like.
In all the years of supporting this club I have never heard anything even approaching that level. No wonder the players couldn't perform as I'm convinced they were struggling with it as well.
There's a major movement afoot to ban 'tragedy chanting', i.e. Hillsborough, Munich air crash, etc and this, in my mind , falls into the same category.
I don't really have to normalise something that is in essence normal .
A club has a very disappointing couple of seasons of major under-achievment including a relegation to the lowest tier .
The football on display isn't working and you are losing games left , right and centre .
The manger doesn't seem capable of a change in tactics or formation .
Things have come to a head with the manager getting dogs abuse .
There really isn't anything in the slightest that's unusual about that other than I'm personally surprised it's taken this long .
To put it in the same box as Tragedy Chanting is pretty poor with all due respect to yourself .
It's an emotional game and that emotion can go two ways and right now it's going in a direction you clearly don't like .
Tell you what SM , how's about the critics stay away and starve the club of finance , would that be a better option for you ?
These fans pay their money and they are entitled to vent their anger , I draw the line at having a go at DS's family or his kids and stuff like that but if they are calling him out on his managerial record , his teams performance and so forth in no uncertain terms then that's reasonable .
As I say the next stage is apathy and staying away altogether .
Be thankful they care enough to still be angry .
I often wonder why those fans who shout abuse are always considered to be the loyal fans, the hard core. Aren't people like me hard core too, and loyal?
Be thankful they care enough to be angry? That's a nonsense too, assuming that only the angry ones care enough.
I've been involved in more football campaigns than I care to mention, but I can guarantee that you never make progress if this is how you rely on getting your point across. there are lines you don't cross, and for me those lines were crossed on Saturday. And I wasn't the only one, the people staying away in future will be people like me, those who care enough to be upset by the vilification of the staff at DRFC.
That's not support, not in the slightest.
SM true loyal fans have endured poor performances on the field, and turmoil behind the scenes for the past 2 seasons now, the loyal fans who pay good money to watch this shower of offal , they are trying to get this stubborn board to do something, and they are aware of the fans unrest, and don’t want to do sweet fa about it.
We want this Head coach sacking, and the return of a experienced manager, no head coach shit, just a normal football manager.
I’ve said this many times before that a fan pays very good money to watch their favourite football team, not only in Season tickets/match day tickets, it’s the travelling costs, food and drink costs, time away from possible work and time spent away from families, so everyone as a right to a protest in whatever they think fit, as long as it’s peaceful, there’s to many people on here who want to chastise fellow fans. Swearing at a game has been around for years and still will be for years to come, SM I guess that you have some clout with the club, and you should be getting the points across, that the majority of the fans are so disappointed with many aspects that they are drifting away in quite large numbers. Just a few months ago these were the odd unhappy fan, however now we read alarming comments coming from fans who have years behind the supporting of the club, to now not caring about going to the next game and many about not renewing season tickets next season. I won’t spend another penny within the club till he’s gone, people may think wow so what, I also know that several younger season ticket holders that I introduced to the club some 15 years ago, have also drifted away, burnt their current season tickets and have no interest to renew. Very worrying times.
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It was quite telling yesterday that after both Rovers goals the players made no attempt to celebrate near our fans. Barlow ran to the subs warming up and Molyneux ran straight to the photographer. Faulkner and Seaman the most engaged with the fans but the remainder all pretty much ignored us.
Can’t blame them though
Your either the biggest windup person on here, or just someone who’s got no footballing knowledge at all ,
He has plenty of football knowledge.
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A lot of our fans today were an absolute disgrace.
I’ve never been so disappointed at an away game in hundreds of games since 1962.
Not just the negativity and constant foul and abusive language and moronic chants but the lack of support for the team as well.
There was one guy there with his son who was about seven. He swore constantly whist explaining to his son where DS was going wrong.
There’s no wonder the young players are scared to death of making a mistake a lot of the time.
Not a great advert for Doncaster.
If you we’re offended, then ask him not to sware
Upton, over the years I have had a few goes at fans . Usually ours but also Leeds fans among others. The normal outcome is I get wound up but nothing changes.
At 74 I’ve given up now. I go to try to watch a football match.not argue. I do find it bemusing that supporters would rather chant how crap the opposition must be when we are winning 1-0 and then 2-0 and wonder why our players are timid and frightened on and off the ball.
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I can’t believe some of the comments on here from so called supporters. For a while now I’ve been coming to the conclusion that a sizeable number of our fans are morons. I stopped going to away games 5 years ago because of this. Now I read a topic on the forum that virtually supports mob rule. What half decent manager or player would want to come to a club like this? Who in their right mind would invest their hard earned cash in taking over the club? The level of toxicity on here is unbelievable.
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A lot of our fans today were an absolute disgrace.
I’ve never been so disappointed at an away game in hundreds of games since 1962.
Not just the negativity and constant foul and abusive language and moronic chants but the lack of support for the team as well.
There was one guy there with his son who was about seven. He swore constantly whist explaining to his son where DS was going wrong.
There’s no wonder the young players are scared to death of making a mistake a lot of the time.
Not a great advert for Doncaster.
If you we’re offended, then ask him not to sware
Upton, over the years I have had a few goes at fans . Usually ours but also Leeds fans among others. The normal outcome is I get wound up but nothing changes.
At 74 I’ve given up now. I go to try to watch a football match.not argue. I do find it bemusing that supporters would rather chant how crap the opposition must be when we are winning 1-0 and then 2-0 and wonder why our players are timid and frightened on and off the ball.
I think the issue with our fans is frustration, I applaud you for going to the games and hope you will still keep going, I admire that and yes it can be annoying to hear what some fans shout, maybe the crowds will be sparse over the coming months, I for one won’t be going till DS as departed
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I can’t believe some of the comments on here from so called supporters. For a while now I’ve been coming to the conclusion that a sizeable number of our fans are morons. I stopped going to away games 5 years ago because of this. Now I read a topic on the forum that virtually supports mob rule. What half decent manager or player would want to come to a club like this? Who in their right mind would invest their hard earned cash in taking over the club? The level of toxicity on here is unbelievable.
It’s not just the Neanderthal’s that are not happy Chris.
There are Hundreds if not into the thousands of our die hard fans that seriously pi..ed off inc myself.
Every club has morons. We have no more than other clubs.
It is the diet of negative boring football that has been served up that people are spending their hard earned income to watch that will not be tolerated any more.
I will never condone violent or abusive behaviour but even I have shouted for DS to be sacked during several games.
I have never ever done that with any previous Manager or Coach.
I am 68 yrs old next month and i am now resorting this kind of behaviour.
That’s how bad it is.
I consider myself to be a sensible, level headed, educated person but I am extremely angry that we are seemingly sticking with a Coach who is driving our supporter base into their armchairs.
Supporters we may never get back again and our younger generations who will just tag along to a Premier league Club.
They are the future and we could lose them for good.
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A lot of our fans today were an absolute disgrace.
I’ve never been so disappointed at an away game in hundreds of games since 1962.
Not just the negativity and constant foul and abusive language and moronic chants but the lack of support for the team as well.
There was one guy there with his son who was about seven. He swore constantly whist explaining to his son where DS was going wrong.
There’s no wonder the young players are scared to death of making a mistake a lot of the time.
Not a great advert for Doncaster.
If you we’re offended, then ask him not to sware
Upton, over the years I have had a few goes at fans . Usually ours but also Leeds fans among others. The normal outcome is I get wound up but nothing changes.
At 74 I’ve given up now. I go to try to watch a football match.not argue. I do find it bemusing that supporters would rather chant how crap the opposition must be when we are winning 1-0 and then 2-0 and wonder why our players are timid and frightened on and off the ball.
I think the issue with our fans is frustration, I applaud you for going to the games and hope you will still keep going, I admire that and yes it can be annoying to hear what some fans shout, maybe the crowds will be sparse over the coming months, I for one won’t be going till DS as departed
Someone I knew for a long time, a lifelong Rovers supporter told me and a group of friends in 2007, "I'm not coming again while that useless Kitson is in charge." The "useless Kitson" in question, of course, being O'Driscoll.
He stuck to his word.
Missed out on Wembley and several years in the Championship. Never came back again.
I will never understand people who's ego is so fragile that they have to pretend it is rock solid.
If Schofield does end up getting things right, why on earth would you not come and support his team?
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A lot of our fans today were an absolute disgrace.
I’ve never been so disappointed at an away game in hundreds of games since 1962.
Not just the negativity and constant foul and abusive language and moronic chants but the lack of support for the team as well.
There was one guy there with his son who was about seven. He swore constantly whist explaining to his son where DS was going wrong.
There’s no wonder the young players are scared to death of making a mistake a lot of the time.
Not a great advert for Doncaster.
If you we’re offended, then ask him not to sware
Upton, over the years I have had a few goes at fans . Usually ours but also Leeds fans among others. The normal outcome is I get wound up but nothing changes.
At 74 I’ve given up now. I go to try to watch a football match.not argue. I do find it bemusing that supporters would rather chant how crap the opposition must be when we are winning 1-0 and then 2-0 and wonder why our players are timid and frightened on and off the ball.
I think the issue with our fans is frustration, I applaud you for going to the games and hope you will still keep going, I admire that and yes it can be annoying to hear what some fans shout, maybe the crowds will be sparse over the coming months, I for one won’t be going till DS as departed
Someone I knew for a long time, a lifelong Rovers supporter told me and a group of friends in 2007, "I'm not coming again while that useless Kitson is in charge." The "useless Kitson" in question, of course, being O'Driscoll.
He stuck to his word.
Missed out on Wembley and several years in the Championship. Never came back again.
I will never understand people who's ego is so fragile that they have to pretend it is rock solid.
If Schofield does end up getting things right, why on earth would you not come and support his team?
On what evidence do you think DS might get it right? You keep avoiding answering that question BST.
SoD had a track record of success at Bournemouth. Trying to justify that DS could achieve what SoD achieved based on the contrast of their CV’s is just a little crazy I think.
SoD started slowly at Rovers but there was a continuous improvement seen over the 2006/7 season.
Yes our league form dropped off after we qualified for the JPT Final
Under DS we have seen a gradual disintegration of form. The Football quality has also got worse not better.
I rest my case.
I have yet to see anyone make a credible case to justify keeping DS in this job.
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It would be good if fans see behaviour that isn’t right, then report it. We don’t need fans that bad that we have to listen to people shouting things about the managers relatives.
There needs to be a standard of behaviour. We are there as supporters to watch the football, people coming out with these things aren’t even human beings.
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I have yet to see anyone make a credible case to justify keeping DS in this job.
To be fair there are credible reasons...
1. Another change in manager means even more upheaval and all that comes with that in terms of changes to backroom staff, players etc.
2. Players have signed contract extensions and renewals on the knowledge that they'll be working with Schofield. They've obviously bought into what he offers.
So if anyone feels that those two reasons outweigh the reasons for not sticking with Schofield then they have a credible case.
So there is a credible case... it's just that you and many (many) other supporters don't agree with it, which is understandable as there are probably more reasons for getting rid than there are keeping him. But I don't think it's fair to dismiss anyone who wants him to stay as not being credible.
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I have yet to see anyone make a credible case to justify keeping DS in this job.
To be fair there are credible reasons...
1. Another change in manager means even more upheaval and all that comes with that in terms of changes to backroom staff, players etc.
2. Players have signed contract extensions and renewals on the knowledge that they'll be working with Schofield. They've obviously bought into what he offers.
So if anyone feels that those two reasons outweigh the reasons for not sticking with Schofield then they have a credible case.
So there is a credible case... it's just that you and many (many) other supporters don't agree with it, which is understandable as there are probably more reasons for getting rid than there are keeping him. But I don't think it's fair to dismiss anyone who wants him to stay as not being credible.
Ok fair enough.
If that’s credible? May save some money short term but what will it cost longer term?
imo it is a massive risk keeping him as he will be sacked in November anyway if not before because we are languishing in the lower reaches of League 2
If I am wrong and we are in the top echelons of the league I will hold my hands up and admit I got it wrong.
I desperately hope I am wrong but there is no evidence whatsoever to suggest after the last 6 months that I will be.
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I have yet to see anyone make a credible case to justify keeping DS in this job.
To be fair there are credible reasons...
1. Another change in manager means even more upheaval and all that comes with that in terms of changes to backroom staff, players etc.
2. Players have signed contract extensions and renewals on the knowledge that they'll be working with Schofield. They've obviously bought into what he offers.
So if anyone feels that those two reasons outweigh the reasons for not sticking with Schofield then they have a credible case.
So there is a credible case... it's just that you and many (many) other supporters don't agree with it, which is understandable as there are probably more reasons for getting rid than there are keeping him. But I don't think it's fair to dismiss anyone who wants him to stay as not being credible.
Fair points.
RW went to Orient and signed three, just three players. They seemed to have managed the “upheaval” well. Those who advocate for DS to stay may want to consider this.
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Let's put this to bed right now Schofield will not be sacked just because some fans want it, if anything it could make the powers that be think two fingers to you, we run and finance the club not you.
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Not just “some fans” Raven.
I would think that this forum is made up of mostly middle aged to older supporters and 91% of those who responded to a poll think he should go.
If the club are sticking their fingers up to such an overwhelming number then they are certainly not willing to engage and probably don’t care what supporters think.
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Let's put this to bed right now Schofield will not be sacked just because some fans want it, if anything it could make the powers that be think two fingers to you, we run and finance the club not you.
They will need to finance it even more next year. I bet season ticket sales are horrendous
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Let's put this to bed right now Schofield will not be sacked just because some fans want it, if anything it could make the powers that be think two fingers to you, we run and finance the club not you.
Some fans?
Over 90% of those that voted on here. The vast majority of which have seen much of the rovers rollercoaster over the years? Many of which have invested heavily both emotionally and financially. For years. Decades. The living legacy of drfc. Grandads, dads, sons, and female equivalents of course.
This isn’t “some” fans.
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If the owners did think like that it would explain why were in a mess. Horrible attitude. Maybe a statement should be sent to them about insulting their fans.
I don’t believe they’ll think that way but I might be naive
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Let's put this to bed right now Schofield will not be sacked just because some fans want it, if anything it could make the powers that be think two fingers to you, we run and finance the club not you.
after their series of utterly horrendous decisions over the last couple of years they’d be very brave to stick two fingers up at us.
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I have yet to see anyone make a credible case to justify keeping DS in this job.
To be fair there are credible reasons...
1. Another change in manager means even more upheaval and all that comes with that in terms of changes to backroom staff, players etc.
2. Players have signed contract extensions and renewals on the knowledge that they'll be working with Schofield. They've obviously bought into what he offers.
So if anyone feels that those two reasons outweigh the reasons for not sticking with Schofield then they have a credible case.
So there is a credible case... it's just that you and many (many) other supporters don't agree with it, which is understandable as there are probably more reasons for getting rid than there are keeping him. But I don't think it's fair to dismiss anyone who wants him to stay as not being credible.
Fair points.
RW went to Orient and signed three, just three players. They seemed to have managed the “upheaval” well. Those who advocate for DS to stay may want to consider this.
You could look at it that he inherited a very good team
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I have yet to see anyone make a credible case to justify keeping DS in this job.
To be fair there are credible reasons...
1. Another change in manager means even more upheaval and all that comes with that in terms of changes to backroom staff, players etc.
2. Players have signed contract extensions and renewals on the knowledge that they'll be working with Schofield. They've obviously bought into what he offers.
So if anyone feels that those two reasons outweigh the reasons for not sticking with Schofield then they have a credible case.
So there is a credible case... it's just that you and many (many) other supporters don't agree with it, which is understandable as there are probably more reasons for getting rid than there are keeping him. But I don't think it's fair to dismiss anyone who wants him to stay as not being credible.
Fair points.
RW went to Orient and signed three, just three players. They seemed to have managed the “upheaval” well. Those who advocate for DS to stay may want to consider this.
You could look at it that he inherited a very good team
They looked very average at their place, either that or rovers were just better. ESP in the first half where rovers were easily on top.
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Agree with that NR
We seem to have regressed since Maxwell was injured
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I have yet to see anyone make a credible case to justify keeping DS in this job.
To be fair there are credible reasons...
1. Another change in manager means even more upheaval and all that comes with that in terms of changes to backroom staff, players etc.
2. Players have signed contract extensions and renewals on the knowledge that they'll be working with Schofield. They've obviously bought into what he offers.
So if anyone feels that those two reasons outweigh the reasons for not sticking with Schofield then they have a credible case.
So there is a credible case... it's just that you and many (many) other supporters don't agree with it, which is understandable as there are probably more reasons for getting rid than there are keeping him. But I don't think it's fair to dismiss anyone who wants him to stay as not being credible.
Fair points.
RW went to Orient and signed three, just three players. They seemed to have managed the “upheaval” well. Those who advocate for DS to stay may want to consider this.
You could look at it that he inherited a very good team
They finished 13th last year and I seem to remember Wellens complaining of an injury crisis at the start of the season after he’d been there a few weeks.
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Let's put this to bed right now Schofield will not be sacked just because some fans want it, if anything it could make the powers that be think two fingers to you, we run and finance the club not you.
Some fans?
Over 90% of those that voted on here. The vast majority of which have seen much of the rovers rollercoaster over the years? Many of which have invested heavily both emotionally and financially. For years. Decades. The living legacy of drfc. Grandads, dads, sons, and female equivalents of course.
This isn’t “some” fans.
90% of a few hundred adds up to not a lot.
I would like to see DS go, he is a coach not a manager, but do you think the powers that be will take any notice of the creche in the South Stand or the morons hurling abuse and change things. It's not going to happen they have drawn their line and he is here for the long haul.
I only hope they change their minds, for footballing reasons, as with you NC and Hound, I have been supporting Rovers for many many years but won't abuse someone even if the football is dire
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Let's put this to bed right now Schofield will not be sacked just because some fans want it, if anything it could make the powers that be think two fingers to you, we run and finance the club not you.
after their series of utterly horrendous decisions over the last couple of years they’d be very brave to stick two fingers up at us.
Not brave Cramby, unbelievably idiotic I would call it.
Without the fans there is no DRFC.
I would expect season ticket sales will be down to well under 3.000 by August.
If we make a bad start then we will be seeing gates of under 4.000 next season.
If that’s what Blunt wants then he is beyond stupid.
If they are looking for new investors or looking to sell the club then surely a club showing ambition with a solid loyal fan base is a more attractive proposition than one dying on its feet.
Self sustainability only works if the club keeps it current fan base and grows that fan base.
Increased sales. Bums on seats, customers buying merchandise, food, sponsorship & commercial revenue.
A club that sheds supporters by the bucket full which is what is happening right now is going to end in disaster.
If any organisation hasn’t got the right management personnel and are constantly failing because it doesn’t have enough customers/ sales, then what happens to that organisation/business.
Again it doesn’t need spelling out does it.
I think TB has got to tell Blunt to either wake up and start doing his job or tell him he is out.
Find another Chairman.
Someone who relates to the fans, shows empathy, someone who creates a positive vibe that gets the fans on side and excited. Someone who can make the fans proud to be fans of this Football Club.
JR May have had his faults but by heck we could do with that enthusiasm and ambition at the club right now.
Until Blunt goes I firmly believe we will not recover from this downward spiral we are in.
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Let's put this to bed right now Schofield will not be sacked just because some fans want it, if anything it could make the powers that be think two fingers to you, we run and finance the club not you.
Some fans?
Over 90% of those that voted on here. The vast majority of which have seen much of the rovers rollercoaster over the years? Many of which have invested heavily both emotionally and financially. For years. Decades. The living legacy of drfc. Grandads, dads, sons, and female equivalents of course.
This isn’t “some” fans.
90% of a few hundred adds up to not a lot.
I would like to see DS go, he is a coach not a manager, but do you think the powers that be will take any notice of the creche in the South Stand or the morons hurling abuse and change things. It's not going to happen they have drawn their line and he is here for the long haul.
I only hope they change their minds, for footballing reasons, as with you NC and Hound, I have been supporting Rovers for many many years but won't abuse someone even if the football is dire
Although he is nominally Head Coach he is the only person who the club put up as answerable for the performances. We might have expected Copps to have an executive managerial role and the old question of “job descriptions”, which I originally raised on his appointment, arises again.
However “competent manager”, de facto or otherwise, he is not.
I’m afraid that a blurred control structure in an organisation is a very obvious recipe for failure and just another feature of today’s DFRC.
Even within a creaking set-up you’d expect someone to pick up the baton in a crisis, but no one, not even the much-lauded Baldwin seems to have noticed that the whole enterprise is about to fall into the sea.
Onwards and downwards.
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Let's put this to bed right now Schofield will not be sacked just because some fans want it, if anything it could make the powers that be think two fingers to you, we run and finance the club not you.
Some fans?
Over 90% of those that voted on here. The vast majority of which have seen much of the rovers rollercoaster over the years? Many of which have invested heavily both emotionally and financially. For years. Decades. The living legacy of drfc. Grandads, dads, sons, and female equivalents of course.
This isn’t “some” fans.
90% of a few hundred adds up to not a lot.
I would like to see DS go, he is a coach not a manager, but do you think the powers that be will take any notice of the creche in the South Stand or the morons hurling abuse and change things. It's not going to happen they have drawn their line and he is here for the long haul.
I only hope they change their minds, for footballing reasons, as with you NC and Hound, I have been supporting Rovers for many many years but won't abuse someone even if the football is dire
Raven, I’m not quite sure which way the last part of your post is meant to be read mate.
Just so it is clear, I never shout abuse at players or management at games and I don’t like to hear it.
If that is how you meant it to sound then I apologise for misunderstanding your post.
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No just my personal point of view, nothing else intended
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Let's put this to bed right now Schofield will not be sacked just because some fans want it, if anything it could make the powers that be think two fingers to you, we run and finance the club not you.
Some fans?
Over 90% of those that voted on here. The vast majority of which have seen much of the rovers rollercoaster over the years? Many of which have invested heavily both emotionally and financially. For years. Decades. The living legacy of drfc. Grandads, dads, sons, and female equivalents of course.
This isn’t “some” fans.
90% of a few hundred adds up to not a lot.
I would like to see DS go, he is a coach not a manager, but do you think the powers that be will take any notice of the creche in the South Stand or the morons hurling abuse and change things. It's not going to happen they have drawn their line and he is here for the long haul.
I only hope they change their minds, for footballing reasons, as with you NC and Hound, I have been supporting Rovers for many many years but won't abuse someone even if the football is dire
It’s a fair consideration that “ a few hundred” on here represent a pretty broad spread of rovers support base. And perhaps many on here are more tolerant to failure having been supporting rovers for years.
I’d say the stats are pretty damning. If you could poll the few thousand that will be there this sat, I reckon you would get similar results, if not worse.
If the Malaise is widespread on here, which it is, then transpose that into the younger support base who maybe don’t proliferate this forum and you can see why we are where we are.
Regarding the clubs statement, I have no doubt that there will be some keyboard imbeciles out there that have directed their abuse personally at Schofield. The sort of abuse that crosses the line into harassment . I’d expect them to be getting a door knock if it continues. And they deserve everything they get .
The terraces are for letting your feeling known though. it’s the link between fans and players and club, always has been, providing it doesn’t cross the line.
If Schofields football is shit (which it is) then I’m ok with him being reminded of that.
If the perception is he doesn’t know what he is doing , then ditto.
And likewise if people, like me, want him out of our club.
It happens in all clubs, in all leagues up and down the country and all over the world.
I’ve supported rovers since 1985 and I’ve never felt as crap about the club as I do currently . Except perhaps 97. But even then every season in the conf saw progression. 16th. Then 12th, then 9th then 4th then 3rd and playoff winners.
I am very worried that rovers drop into non league next year. It’s not the same lge as it was in the late nineties/ early noughties. It would be very hard to escape from.
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Let's put this to bed right now Schofield will not be sacked just because some fans want it, if anything it could make the powers that be think two fingers to you, we run and finance the club not you.
Some fans?
Over 90% of those that voted on here. The vast majority of which have seen much of the rovers rollercoaster over the years? Many of which have invested heavily both emotionally and financially. For years. Decades. The living legacy of drfc. Grandads, dads, sons, and female equivalents of course.
This isn’t “some” fans.
90% of a few hundred adds up to not a lot.
I would like to see DS go, he is a coach not a manager, but do you think the powers that be will take any notice of the creche in the South Stand or the morons hurling abuse and change things. It's not going to happen they have drawn their line and he is here for the long haul.
I only hope they change their minds, for footballing reasons, as with you NC and Hound, I have been supporting Rovers for many many years but won't abuse someone even if the football is dire
It’s a fair consideration that “ a few hundred” on here represent a pretty broad spread of rovers support base. And perhaps many on here are more tolerant to failure having been supporting rovers for years.
I’d say the stats are pretty damning. If you could poll the few thousand that will be there this sat, I reckon you would get similar results, if not worse.
If the Malaise is widespread on here, which it is, then transpose that into the younger support base who maybe don’t proliferate this forum and you can see why we are where we are.
Regarding the clubs statement, I have no doubt that there will be some keyboard imbeciles out there that have directed their abuse personally at Schofield. The sort of abuse that crosses the line into harassment . I’d expect them to be getting a door knock if it continues. And they deserve everything they get .
The terraces are for letting your feeling known though. it’s the link between fans and players and club, always has been, providing it doesn’t cross the line.
If Schofields football is shit (which it is) then I’m ok with him being reminded of that.
If the perception is he doesn’t know what he is doing , then ditto.
And likewise if people, like me, want him out of our club.
It happens in all clubs, in all leagues up and down the country and all over the world.
I’ve supported rovers since 1985 and I’ve never felt as crap about the club as I do currently . Except perhaps 97. But even then every season in the conf saw progression. 16th. Then 12th, then 9th then 4th then 3rd and playoff winners.
I am very worried that rovers drop into non league next year. It’s not the same lge as it was in the late nineties/ early noughties. It would be very hard to escape from.
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