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Title: Network North
Post by: Filo on December 20, 2023, 01:38:59 pm
The t**ts are not even hiding their contempt anymore

https://x.com/transportgovuk/status/1737401590808543620?s=61&t=DCRm1C_BBr5pt7J45jXUsA
Title: Re: Network North
Post by: drfchound on December 20, 2023, 01:48:57 pm
I’m not sticking up for them but £235m is only a small fraction of £8.3b that is available after the scrapping of the not needed HS2.
I don’t know why you are getting het up over this.
It does say there is enough to resurface up to 5000 miles of roads across the country.
Title: Re: Network North
Post by: Filo on December 20, 2023, 01:52:54 pm
I’m not sticking up for them but £235m is only a small fraction of £8.3b that is available after the scrapping of the not needed HS2.
I don’t know why you are getting het up over this.
It does say there is enough to resurface up to 5000 miles of roads across the country.

London has 9000 miles of roads alone


The money has been redirected from the cancelled Birmingham to Crewe HS2 project which was supposed to be used in the North, hence Project North


Now I’m not great at Geography, but I’m sure London is not in the North, no matter how small the amount is
Title: Re: Network North
Post by: drfchound on December 20, 2023, 01:55:01 pm
I’m not sticking up for them but £235m is only a small fraction of £8.3b that is available after the scrapping of the not needed HS2.
I don’t know why you are getting het up over this.
It does say there is enough to resurface up to 5000 miles of roads across the country.

London has 9000 miles of roads alone


The money has been redirected from the cancelled Birmingham to Crewe HS2 project which was supposed to be used in the North, hence Project North


Now I’m not great at Geography, but I’m sure London is not in the North, no matter how small the amount is

Well your guess is correct that London is in the south.
However I doubt very much that all 9000 miles of London roads will be resurfaced so as I said, the amount earmarked for there is a drop in the ocean from the amount put aside.
Title: Re: Network North
Post by: Filo on December 20, 2023, 02:12:19 pm
I’m not sticking up for them but £235m is only a small fraction of £8.3b that is available after the scrapping of the not needed HS2.
I don’t know why you are getting het up over this.
It does say there is enough to resurface up to 5000 miles of roads across the country.

London has 9000 miles of roads alone


The money has been redirected from the cancelled Birmingham to Crewe HS2 project which was supposed to be used in the North, hence Project North


Now I’m not great at Geography, but I’m sure London is not in the North, no matter how small the amount is

Well your guess is correct that London is in the south.
However I doubt very much that all 9000 miles of London roads will be resurfaced so as I said, the amount earmarked for there is a drop in the ocean from the amount put aside.

That drop in the Ocean could be spent in the North as part of Network North, like it was promised
Title: Re: Network North
Post by: drfchound on December 20, 2023, 02:16:34 pm
I’m not sticking up for them but £235m is only a small fraction of £8.3b that is available after the scrapping of the not needed HS2.
I don’t know why you are getting het up over this.
It does say there is enough to resurface up to 5000 miles of roads across the country.

London has 9000 miles of roads alone


The money has been redirected from the cancelled Birmingham to Crewe HS2 project which was supposed to be used in the North, hence Project North


Now I’m not great at Geography, but I’m sure London is not in the North, no matter how small the amount is

Well your guess is correct that London is in the south.
However I doubt very much that all 9000 miles of London roads will be resurfaced so as I said, the amount earmarked for there is a drop in the ocean from the amount put aside.

That drop in the Ocean could be spent in the North as part of Network North, like it was promised

Yes it could.
Title: Re: Network North
Post by: ravenrover on December 20, 2023, 03:27:46 pm
I’m not sticking up for them but £235m is only a small fraction of £8.3b that is available after the scrapping of the not needed HS2.
I don’t know why you are getting het up over this.
It does say there is enough to resurface up to 5000 miles of roads across the country.

London has 9000 miles of roads alone


The money has been redirected from the cancelled Birmingham to Crewe HS2 project which was supposed to be used in the North, hence Project North


Now I’m not great at Geography, but I’m sure London is not in the North, no matter how small the amount is
But but it's NORTH London
Title: Re: Network North
Post by: drfchound on December 20, 2023, 04:14:06 pm
I’m not sticking up for them but £235m is only a small fraction of £8.3b that is available after the scrapping of the not needed HS2.
I don’t know why you are getting het up over this.
It does say there is enough to resurface up to 5000 miles of roads across the country.

London has 9000 miles of roads alone


The money has been redirected from the cancelled Birmingham to Crewe HS2 project which was supposed to be used in the North, hence Project North


Now I’m not great at Geography, but I’m sure London is not in the North, no matter how small the amount is
But but it's NORTH London

Convenienly missing out the rest of the messages between myself and Filo.  :thumbdown:
Title: Re: Network North
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on December 20, 2023, 04:18:52 pm
I’m not sticking up for them but £235m is only a small fraction of £8.3b that is available after the scrapping of the not needed HS2.
I don’t know why you are getting het up over this.
It does say there is enough to resurface up to 5000 miles of roads across the country.

London has 9000 miles of roads alone


The money has been redirected from the cancelled Birmingham to Crewe HS2 project which was supposed to be used in the North, hence Project North


Now I’m not great at Geography, but I’m sure London is not in the North, no matter how small the amount is

Well your guess is correct that London is in the south.
However I doubt very much that all 9000 miles of London roads will be resurfaced so as I said, the amount earmarked for there is a drop in the ocean from the amount put aside.

That drop in the Ocean could be spent in the North as part of Network North, like it was promised

I think the bit that Hound isn't getting is the fact that this is being pushed as a Network North thing.

https://twitter.com/transportgovuk/status/1737401590808543620/photo/1

We really should have realised they didn't really care much about the North when they released that map to support the Network North idea. The one that looked like they had just thrown a bunch of placenames randomly onto a map of North England.

(https://i2-prod.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/incoming/article27842786.ece/ALTERNATES/s615b/0_side_by_side_map.jpg)
Title: Re: Network North
Post by: i_ateallthepies on December 20, 2023, 04:21:38 pm
What's the matter with folk on here, it's north of the equator FFS!
Title: Re: Network North
Post by: Filo on December 20, 2023, 04:33:42 pm
I’m not sticking up for them but £235m is only a small fraction of £8.3b that is available after the scrapping of the not needed HS2.
I don’t know why you are getting het up over this.
It does say there is enough to resurface up to 5000 miles of roads across the country.

London has 9000 miles of roads alone


The money has been redirected from the cancelled Birmingham to Crewe HS2 project which was supposed to be used in the North, hence Project North


Now I’m not great at Geography, but I’m sure London is not in the North, no matter how small the amount is

Well your guess is correct that London is in the south.
However I doubt very much that all 9000 miles of London roads will be resurfaced so as I said, the amount earmarked for there is a drop in the ocean from the amount put aside.

That drop in the Ocean could be spent in the North as part of Network North, like it was promised

I think the bit that Hound isn't getting is the fact that this is being pushed as a Network North thing.

https://twitter.com/transportgovuk/status/1737401590808543620/photo/1

We really should have realised they didn't really care much about the North when they released that map to support the Network North idea. The one that looked like they had just thrown a bunch of placenames randomly onto a map of North England.

(https://i2-prod.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/incoming/article27842786.ece/ALTERNATES/s615b/0_side_by_side_map.jpg)

They’ve obviously given up on the Red Wall seats
Title: Re: Network North
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on December 20, 2023, 05:25:52 pm
Actually I never noticed that Network North map had Plymouth on it.
Title: Re: Network North
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on December 20, 2023, 05:32:47 pm
And I love the fact that some Tory intern has put "Waverley" on that map. Demonstrating the levels of their ignorance of all things northern. Waverley isn't a city or a town or any of the things you'd expect to be highlighted on a map of the scale of the country. It's a chuffing housing estate of a few hundred dwellings on the old Orgreave site.
Title: Re: Network North
Post by: drfchound on December 20, 2023, 05:36:20 pm
I’m not sticking up for them but £235m is only a small fraction of £8.3b that is available after the scrapping of the not needed HS2.
I don’t know why you are getting het up over this.
It does say there is enough to resurface up to 5000 miles of roads across the country.

London has 9000 miles of roads alone


The money has been redirected from the cancelled Birmingham to Crewe HS2 project which was supposed to be used in the North, hence Project North


Now I’m not great at Geography, but I’m sure London is not in the North, no matter how small the amount is

Well your guess is correct that London is in the south.
However I doubt very much that all 9000 miles of London roads will be resurfaced so as I said, the amount earmarked for there is a drop in the ocean from the amount put aside.

That drop in the Ocean could be spent in the North as part of Network North, like it was promised

I think the bit that Hound isn't getting is the fact that this is being pushed as a Network North thing.

https://twitter.com/transportgovuk/status/1737401590808543620/photo/1

We really should have realised they didn't really care much about the North when they released that map to support the Network North idea. The one that looked like they had just thrown a bunch of placenames randomly onto a map of North England.

(https://i2-prod.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/incoming/article27842786.ece/ALTERNATES/s615b/0_side_by_side_map.jpg)

Don’t be so chuffin patronising.
Of course I realise what it is.
It is usually you who points out the bleeding obvious that something like £235m is a tiny fraction of £8.3b.
What with your economics degree and all.
Title: Re: Network North
Post by: drfchound on December 20, 2023, 05:40:51 pm
I’m not sticking up for them but £235m is only a small fraction of £8.3b that is available after the scrapping of the not needed HS2.
I don’t know why you are getting het up over this.
It does say there is enough to resurface up to 5000 miles of roads across the country.

London has 9000 miles of roads alone


The money has been redirected from the cancelled Birmingham to Crewe HS2 project which was supposed to be used in the North, hence Project North


Now I’m not great at Geography, but I’m sure London is not in the North, no matter how small the amount is

Well your guess is correct that London is in the south.
However I doubt very much that all 9000 miles of London roads will be resurfaced so as I said, the amount earmarked for there is a drop in the ocean from the amount put aside.

That drop in the Ocean could be spent in the North as part of Network North, like it was promised

I think the bit that Hound isn't getting is the fact that this is being pushed as a Network North thing.

https://twitter.com/transportgovuk/status/1737401590808543620/photo/1

We really should have realised they didn't really care much about the North when they released that map to support the Network North idea. The one that looked like they had just thrown a bunch of placenames randomly onto a map of North England.

(https://i2-prod.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/incoming/article27842786.ece/ALTERNATES/s615b/0_side_by_side_map.jpg)

Don’t be so chuffin patronising.
Of course I realise what it is.
It is usually you who points out the bleeding obvious that something like £235m is a tiny fraction of £8.3b.
What with your economics degree and all.

 :that:
Title: Re: Network North
Post by: ravenrover on December 20, 2023, 06:36:36 pm
I’m not sticking up for them but £235m is only a small fraction of £8.3b that is available after the scrapping of the not needed HS2.
I don’t know why you are getting het up over this.
It does say there is enough to resurface up to 5000 miles of roads across the country.

London has 9000 miles of roads alone


The money has been redirected from the cancelled Birmingham to Crewe HS2 project which was supposed to be used in the North, hence Project North


Now I’m not great at Geography, but I’m sure London is not in the North, no matter how small the amount is
But but it's NORTH London

Convenienly missing out the rest of the messages between myself and Filo.  :thumbdown:
Somewhere out there is great big whoosh
Title: Re: Network North
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on December 20, 2023, 07:02:33 pm
The road resurfacing thing is interesting. Road resurfacing is a current expenditure. It's something you have to budget to do all the time. You don't do it once then it's done.

HS2 was a capital expense. You build it, it costs a lot but then you don't have to build it again the year after. It's an asset now that you didn't have before.

What the Govt is explicitly doing here is taking from capital investment and putting it into covering current expense costs.

But here's the thing.

You can only do that once. HS2 can't be cut again. But some more roads will need resurfacing next year and the year after and the year after that.

The way you SHOULD make paying current costs get easier is by growing the economy.

A standard way to encourage growth is to invest in capital infrastructure.

I'm sure I don't need to state the obvious problem here...
Title: Re: Network North
Post by: drfchound on December 21, 2023, 04:27:28 am
I’m not sticking up for them but £235m is only a small fraction of £8.3b that is available after the scrapping of the not needed HS2.
I don’t know why you are getting het up over this.
It does say there is enough to resurface up to 5000 miles of roads across the country.

London has 9000 miles of roads alone


The money has been redirected from the cancelled Birmingham to Crewe HS2 project which was supposed to be used in the North, hence Project North


Now I’m not great at Geography, but I’m sure London is not in the North, no matter how small the amount is
But but it's NORTH London

Convenienly missing out the rest of the messages between myself and Filo.  :thumbdown:
Somewhere out there is great big whoosh

Not really raven.
By missing out the rest of the conversation you removed the context in order to have one of your sly digs at me.
Title: Re: Network North
Post by: ravenrover on December 21, 2023, 08:51:32 am
Sly dig? Where do you get that idea from? Simply made as a joke , sorry you didn't get it as such, never mind
Title: Re: Network North
Post by: drfchound on December 21, 2023, 09:34:14 am
Sly dig? Where do you get that idea from? Simply made as a joke , sorry you didn't get it as such, never mind

Apologies if I miss read that Raven.
I still don’t see the whoosh though, the “but but” thing is what people often write when putting other peoples comments down.
I know you picked up on NORTH London but missing out the later posts between myself and Filo distorts the fact that I agreed with him but offered an alternative picture.
Never mind.
Title: Re: Network North
Post by: ravenrover on December 21, 2023, 09:53:51 am
No reference to your posts Hound, the comment was made purely on the Northern aspect of it, nothing else
Title: Re: Network North
Post by: drfchound on December 21, 2023, 09:57:35 am
No reference to your posts Hound, the comment was made purely on the Northern aspect of it, nothing else

And yet you included posts by myself and Filo before your comment.
Like I said, never mind.
Title: Re: Network North
Post by: ravenrover on December 21, 2023, 10:06:43 am
And lets  leave it at that
Merry Christmas
Title: Re: Network North
Post by: drfchound on December 21, 2023, 06:55:58 pm
And lets  leave it at that
Merry Christmas

Agreed and you have a good one too.  :scarf: :scarf: