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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: Ryaldinhio on January 04, 2025, 06:35:28 pm
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Walsall 3 shots on target scored 2 - 66%
Fleetwood 2 shots on target scored 1 - 50%
Port Vale 3 shots on target scored 2 - 66%
His BIG plus is his distribution which he isn't using? If you take his distribution out of the equation is he all that?
I'm still not convinced.
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Conceded 30 from expected 21.6. The defence for the most part is doing its job.
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Walsall 3 shots on target scored 2 - 66%
Fleetwood 2 shots on target scored 1 - 50%
Port Vale 3 shots on target scored 2 - 66%
His BIG plus is his distribution which he isn't using? If you take his distribution out of the equation is he all that?
I'm still not convinced.
makes you wonder if he has a positioning problem ..
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Conceded 30 from expected 21.6. The defence for the most part is doing its job.
How does that expected figure work? Is it based on where the shot goes in the goal? So one straight at him would be an expected goal conceded of almost zero? Or is it just based on the expected goal figure? As if it’s the latter, surely at least some of the variance could be down to really good finishes, deflections etc.
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Doesn't help when the right back is shit at defending and constantly let's oppo get inside.
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Conceded 30 from expected 21.6. The defence for the most part is doing its job.
Can't use this at all. Same thing used if all 30 got put over the bar
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Though stats mean shit.
If a team has 2 shots on goal but are absolute worldies then does that go against a keeper?
Or are that team more clinical?
If football was won on shots on goal alone then why hasnt any team just taken pot shots feom 30 yard everytime.
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How did their lad score that second goal today? I’m in the SW corner but the angles totally baffled me, looked impossible to score the way the attacker went in.
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Conceded 30 from expected 21.6. The defence for the most part is doing its job.
How does that expected figure work? Is it based on where the shot goes in the goal? So one straight at him would be an expected goal conceded of almost zero? Or is it just based on the expected goal figure? As if it’s the latter, surely at least some of the variance could be down to really good finishes, deflections etc.
Over a small dataset you would have a point but over 25 games it's big enough where you can use it as a judge.
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Though stats mean shit.
If a team has 2 shots on goal but are absolute worldies then does that go against a keeper?
Or are that team more clinical?
If football was won on shots on goal alone then why hasnt any team just taken pot shots feom 30 yard everytime.
Every team we play against must be really f*cking clinical against us then and then turn back to normal after.
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FBRef, FotMob and others have him in the bottom 4 for save percentage for the league but if you lot aren't ready to mention TSL in any criticism that's fine we can talk about it later in the season when you wake up.
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Another post of rubbish.
If you don’t get a first touch to a quality cross into your area you’re done.Today we were second to balls into the box…. At both ends.
Absolute quality finishes, end of.
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Another post of rubbish.
If you don’t get a first touch to a quality cross into your area you’re done.Today we were second to balls into the box…. At both ends.
Absolute quality finishes, end of.
Watch the highlights back. They weren't quality finishes at all. He will be very dissapointed with himself for both.
Note - if that was Louis he would be getting ripped to pieces.
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Another post of rubbish.
If you don’t get a first touch to a quality cross into your area you’re done.Today we were second to balls into the box…. At both ends.
Absolute quality finishes, end of.
Watch the highlights back. They weren't quality finishes at all. He will be very dissapointed with himself for both.
Note - if that was Louis he would be getting ripped to pieces.
Reckon Louis would have saved that first one tbf.
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Another post of rubbish.
If you don’t get a first touch to a quality cross into your area you’re done.Today we were second to balls into the box…. At both ends.
Absolute quality finishes, end of.
Watch the highlights back. They weren't quality finishes at all. He will be very dissapointed with himself for both.
Note - if that was Louis he would be getting ripped to pieces.
Reckon Louis would have saved that first one tbf.
And the second for me.
By the way, the third shot on target I don't think was actually on target, I was sat right behind it and it would've hit side netting.....looked like a good save though.
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Another post of rubbish.
If you don’t get a first touch to a quality cross into your area you’re done.Today we were second to balls into the box…. At both ends.
Absolute quality finishes, end of.
Watch the highlights back. They weren't quality finishes at all. He will be very dissapointed with himself for both.
Note - if that was Louis he would be getting ripped to pieces.
Reckon Louis would have saved that first one tbf.
And the second for me.
By the way, the third shot on target I don't think was actually on target, I was sat right behind it and it would've hit side netting.....looked like a good save though.
The second was deflected past him wasn’t it? No chance with it.
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I raised this last week. It does feel like teams are extremely clinical against us because we seem to be defensively solid most of the game, only giving away few opportunities, but when we do, it seems to result in a goal.
Today for example, I haven't looked at the stats, but I'd guess they had three shots on target and they've scored two.
DonnyOsmond provided some stats last week regarding this and it appears to back my thoughts up. I've seen the highlights today and the guy is unmarked for the second goal but the shot isn't great.
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Second goal deflected up off McGrath,
He didn’t have much chance with that
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I'm not convinced either.
Looks good with the ball at his feet, but flaps at crosses and doesn't actually seem to save many shots.
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The first goal we would hope TSL could do better but not the root cause of the problem.
Second was a bit freaky how it looped up over him but again not the root cause.
On balance, if he saves one of them then he's earned us a point. There's very few points overall that have been lost due to TSL.
There are potentially at least six players in front of him who we could equally not be convinced by including Joe Ironside who we could say wasn't strong enough to hold off a defender to tap in a goal.
TSL isn't the reason for our recent poor form. It's a team game and we haven't been good enough in areas further up the pitch.
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I think he's good on crosses, but you've got to question his shot stopping a little. Better keepers save both their goals today I think.
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I am not saying that he is individually to blame for the goals, clearly there is one or two mistakes before you rely on the keeper.
That said a good keeper stops these shots and wins you points. We had that last year with TLT. We don't with TSL.
As a shot stopper he is definitely a step down from TLT, and personally I don't think he is any better than what we have in Lawler and Louis.
Yes his distribution can be good but not in recent games.
If we were seeing absolute worldies fly past him then I could sympathise but barring one or two decent ones these are just normal shots that go past him.
The facts show that there are less shots on target saved than go in........this is not a scape goat, it is a genuine concern.
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So, that’s all common sense views aired then.
Step up Ian Lawlor.
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So, that’s all common sense views aired then.
Step up Ian Lawlor.
What a great post, really well considered and productive to the discussion :blink:
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So, that’s all common sense views aired then.
Step up Ian Lawlor.
What a great post, really well considered and productive to the discussion :blink:
And when you’re finished criticising Ted to bits please tell me, where are ‘you going’ exactly.
I’d do ‘rolling of eyes’ at this point but I leave emoji’s to my nine year old.
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So, that’s all common sense views aired then.
Step up Ian Lawlor.
What a great post, really well considered and productive to the discussion :blink:
And when you’re finished criticising Ted to bits please tell me, where are ‘you going’ exactly.
I’d do ‘rolling of eyes’ at this point but I leave emoji’s to my nine year old.
Criticising to bits? Where is that exactly?
I've said:
I'm not convinced by him.
TLT stopped these goals last yr and won us points.
As a shot stopped IMO he isn't any different to having Lawlor or Jones.
If that is criticising to bits then what can be said?
If you also read through you will note the compliment of his distribution so if you need a shit sandwich for soft edges within your modern thinking of harsh criticism there it is.
His distribution is VERY good - we should be working on using it!!!
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Midfield is the problem
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Midfield is the reason why TSL is letting in shots he should really be saving.
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Another post of rubbish.
If you don’t get a first touch to a quality cross into your area you’re done.Today we were second to balls into the box…. At both ends.
Absolute quality finishes, end of.
Watch the highlights back. They weren't quality finishes at all. He will be very dissapointed with himself for both.
Note - if that was Louis he would be getting ripped to pieces.
Reckon Louis would have saved that first one tbf.
And the second for me.
By the way, the third shot on target I don't think was actually on target, I was sat right behind it and it would've hit side netting.....looked like a good save though.
The second was deflected past him wasn’t it? No chance with it.
My mate text me saying he was at fault for the first. And I didn’t agree. Watched the highlights back and he was definitely at fault. It was well placed and I think went through Kelly’s legs but he was stood in the corner where it went in. You then look at the other end. Sharp has an identical shot and the keeper saves it onto the post. I have been saying TSL has come on a hell of a lot but, looking at his stats somebody has posted I am obviously wrong but, what do you do? Drop him and start Lawlor? No thanks. Poor recruitment again.
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I posted this on another thread but this is my opinion on TSL ...on TSL being a good shot stopper, both the goals yesterday went through him, his positioning ok but his shot stopping reactions are too slow, this is not the first time he lets in goals that even Jones would gobble up, I agree his distribution is good but this lad sees himself as a sweeper the first goal yesterday went right under him and was only medium strength power , maybe we are crowding him out and should give him more room but for me TLT instead of TSL and we would be romping this league
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I posted this on another thread but this is my opinion on TSL ...on TSL being a good shot stopper, both the goals yesterday went through him, his positioning ok but his shot stopping reactions are too slow, this is not the first time he lets in goals that even Jones would gobble up, I agree his distribution is good but this lad sees himself as a sweeper the first goal yesterday went right under him and was only medium strength power , maybe we are crowding him out and should give him more room but for me TLT instead of TSL and we would be romping this league
I agree with this and it isn't only a recent thing with the shot stopping, there were examples early season of goals from shots that he might have been expected to stop, and which Jones or Lawlor probably would have done better with. But he definitely is better commanding his area and coming for high balls punching and catching.
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The goalkeeper is the least of our issues.
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The goalkeeper is the least of our issues.
Incorrect.
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The goalkeeper is the least of our issues.
I'm sorry but if he stops those shots he would be expected to save we could be top, but I agree he's not the only issue but whoever is in goal they will have shots to contend with, no defence is 100 % and that's why we have a goalkeeper
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And sure as eggs are eggs he's going to come up against someone who's seen josh Windass lob the other day and think hey I can do that too his walkabout makes me nervous
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I'm fine with him coming off his line he's got at that and good at sweeping behind the defence. We just can't surely say we'll be promoted with a keeper who doesn't make that many saves. Granted he's not made many howlers but he doesn't win us games like the port vale keeper did yesterday. That's a weakness.
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I'm fine with him coming off his line he's got at that and good at sweeping behind the defence. We just can't surely say we'll be promoted with a keeper who doesn't make that many saves. Granted he's not made many howlers but he doesn't win us games like the port vale keeper did yesterday. That's a weakness.
In general, with keepers, it’s easy to see the howlers and the great saves. It’s the stuff in between that’s really hard to judge. The marginal things that really only numbers can represent.
That point stands for football in general really but it’s generally easier judging outfield players by eye due to the higher number of actions they perform in a match (unless you play in our midfield!!).
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There has been a few goals recently where TSL should be doing better but disagree with ppl saying he should be saving the first one on Saturday.
Was poor from Olowu to let his man get by him that easy then didn’t pick up Croasdale in the middle of the box.
As for TSL, all his momentum and weight was going the opposite way as the cross came in and from that distance it’s near impossible to get that when going the other way.
Look at Raul Jimenez’ first penalty against Ipswich on Sunday. The keeper made one small movement to put weight on one side and Jimenez passed it to the other, hardly any power on it but the keeper was already going the other way and that’s in the premier league when keepers should be able to react a lot quicker.
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The player who turned Joe was just too good for him on that occasion and the cross into the box was perfect, giving Croasdale plenty of time to pick his spot.
These things happen, even in the PL.
Sometimes we should just accept that it wasn’t stoppable.
Better players than Joe would have been done by the winger that time.
All goals are preventable with hindsight.
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Grant seemed more upset that our players were marking empty space rather than picking players up in the. box. His comment was space doesn’t score goals.
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Must say I was wrong regarding Vales first goal. If you look at the view from behind the net it’s just really bad defending and a good finish.
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Idler, exactly, the best defenders, and the best attackers know where to be in the box, compare their two goals with what Ironside had to put up with in the last few minutes, good defending in their box.
That moment with their defender cost us a point and gained Port Vale two points, get tight on the man.
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The question is, does his quality distribution result in us creating and scoring more than his poor shot stopping - and it generally isn't great, the numbers don't lie - costs us? Difficult to say.
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No way was teddy at fault with either goal Saturday,1st one was joes fault he got well and truly done and had it been sterry he would of been hung drawn and quartered,ball come in the box from the cross and anyone who had played in goal will know teddy will of been transferring his weight onto his left to move towards more centrally and then couldn’t adjust,same with the 2nd it takes a deflation off Jay so goes up instead of along the floor and he didn’t ready quick enough
There is a difference with being at fault and possibly coukd of done better
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No way was teddy at fault with either goal Saturday,1st one was joes fault he got well and truly done and had it been sterry he would of been hung drawn and quartered,ball come in the box from the cross and anyone who had played in goal will know teddy will of been transferring his weight onto his left to move towards more centrally and then couldn’t adjust,same with the 2nd it takes a deflation off Jay so goes up instead of along the floor and he didn’t ready quick enough
There is a difference with being at fault and possibly coukd of done better
First one was the refs fault, Clifton gets taken out on the West Side near the halfway line, ref doesn’t give a nailed on foul, they score 10 seconds later. If we got a free kick then, the goal never happens
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No way was teddy at fault with either goal Saturday,1st one was joes fault he got well and truly done and had it been sterry he would of been hung drawn and quartered,ball come in the box from the cross and anyone who had played in goal will know teddy will of been transferring his weight onto his left to move towards more centrally and then couldn’t adjust,same with the 2nd it takes a deflation off Jay so goes up instead of along the floor and he didn’t ready quick enough
There is a difference with being at fault and possibly coukd of done better
First one was the refs fault, Clifton gets taken out on the West Side near the halfway line, ref doesn’t give a nailed on foul, they score 10 seconds later. If we got a free kick then, the goal never happens
maybe so but still shouldn’t have got across the field then back into the box
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Anyone still not convinced?
COYR
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He needs to do this more often but a man of the match performance today.
Could have easily been sent off with a league 2 ref in charge today
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Anyone still not convinced?
COYR
Yeah 100%. Louis Jones had good games, made some good double saves, saved penalties... Yet the majority of the fans don't want him in goal.
Despite today the stats still show he costs us goals, despite what yourself and the people who liked the post think.
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Anyone still not convinced?
COYR
Yeah 100%. Louis Jones had good games, made some good double saves, saved penalties... Yet the majority of the fans don't want him in goal.
Despite today the stats still show he costs us goals, despite what yourself and the people who liked the post think.
I don't care what stats you choose to show, but TSL hasn't been the reason we have lost games.
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Anyone still not convinced?
COYR
Yeah 100%. Louis Jones had good games, made some good double saves, saved penalties... Yet the majority of the fans don't want him in goal.
Despite today the stats still show he costs us goals, despite what yourself and the people who liked the post think.
I don't care what stats you choose to show, but TSL hasn't been the reason we have lost games.
"Shut up with your facts! I don't like them!!!"
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Show us these stats then
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Anyone still not convinced?
COYR
Yeah 100%. Louis Jones had good games, made some good double saves, saved penalties... Yet the majority of the fans don't want him in goal.
Despite today the stats still show he costs us goals, despite what yourself and the people who liked the post think.
I don't care what stats you choose to show, but TSL hasn't been the reason we have lost games.
"Shut up with your facts! I don't like them!!!"
Great performance from him today, absolute nonsense from anyone that slates him.
I’m sure he will make mistakes like any player would but as a previous poster the goalkeeper is the least of our problems.
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Anyone still not convinced?
COYR
Yeah 100%. Louis Jones had good games, made some good double saves, saved penalties... Yet the majority of the fans don't want him in goal.
Despite today the stats still show he costs us goals, despite what yourself and the people who liked the post think.
I don't care what stats you choose to show, but TSL hasn't been the reason we have lost games.
"Shut up with your facts! I don't like them!!!"
It's about judgement over a season balanced with the saves he has made and those where he might have done better...as with any keeper and what difference those judgement calls make to the outcome of the game. Plus, whether the defence in front of him were the root cause. Stats don't tell the whole story either way.
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Show us these stats then
Think I've named 3 sites in this thread you could have Googled and found the answer to but here you go.
https://fbref.com/en/comps/16/keepers/League-Two-Stats#all_stats_keeper
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I like TSL,we was always unlikely to replace TLT with anyone as good.
Oddly,the only gripe I have with TSL is penalties,he always seems to dive wrong way,I was thinking during todays shoot-out,have I ever seen him save a Pen,and I mean save,not opponents miss the target,then he goes and saves Hull's 6th pen and Im deliriously happy!!!
Well done young man,Im sure he is going to have a good career.
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Show us these stats then
Think I've named 3 sites in this thread you could have Googled and found the answer to but here you go.
https://fbref.com/en/comps/16/keepers/League-Two-Stats#all_stats_keeper
Stats can,and sometimes do lie.
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Lad had a blinder today - let's celebrate that and the win eh..
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Show us these stats then
Think I've named 3 sites in this thread you could have Googled and found the answer to but here you go.
https://fbref.com/en/comps/16/keepers/League-Two-Stats#all_stats_keeper
Stats can,and sometimes do lie.
One or two games in isolation and you'd have a point, 25 games not so much.
Love from a Professional Data Analyst.
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He was terrific today.
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Lad had a blinder today - let's celebrate that and the win eh..
I'd be up for that but glosterred decided to tell people that have perfectly valid views that they're wrong.
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I thought he should have saved their goal if his hand was stronger but he made some great other saves today particularly late in injury time.
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I'm on the fence but I'm going to share an opinion I have on what spearates some keepers from the others and you see this at the top level. The stats quoted in the OP show there are definite concerns around TSL. Then today he makes save after save after save. I compare this to Paul Robinson, David James, Ben Foster, Mark Bosnic and plenty of keepers who looked amazing at lesser clubs, got a big move, and then failed because they didn't have the concentration levels to do nothing for 88 minutes then make the big save required.
For me, today, he's had a great game but needs to be keeping clean sheets against lower L2 teams.
But overall, yes, a great win and hopefully a springboard for better times to come in the league.
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Anyone still not convinced?
COYR
Yeah 100%. Louis Jones had good games, made some good double saves, saved penalties... Yet the majority of the fans don't want him in goal.
Despite today the stats still show he costs us goals, despite what yourself and the people who liked the post think.
The “Goals Prevented” stat you’re referencing I think is good, but it’s purely about shot stopping.
Keepers can also cost you goals by :
- Not coming off their line quickly.
- Having poor handling with collecting crosses.
- Having poor distribution / making mistakes playing out from the back.
He’s great at those things. Our last few keepers (excluding TLT) have been poor at them.
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Anyone still not convinced?
COYR
Yeah 100%. Louis Jones had good games, made some good double saves, saved penalties... Yet the majority of the fans don't want him in goal.
Despite today the stats still show he costs us goals, despite what yourself and the people who liked the post think.
The “Goals Prevented” stat you’re referencing I think is good, but it’s purely about shot stopping.
Keepers can also cost you goals by :
- Not coming off their line quickly.
- Having poor handling with collecting crosses.
- Having poor distribution / making mistakes playing out from the back.
He’s great at those things. Our last few keepers have been poor at them.
I agree that he's good with those points but they would also end up being taken into consideration for what he's dealing with in regards to save percentage or prevented goals, and like I've mentioned before were talking about a 25 game, 2,000+ minute data set.
I do think what you've mentioned has an interesting point though, I think there's the possibility that he's better with those areas of his game than some of our previous keepers is why he is seen as better, despite his poor shot stopping ability.
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Show us these stats then
Think I've named 3 sites in this thread you could have Googled and found the answer to but here you go.
https://fbref.com/en/comps/16/keepers/League-Two-Stats#all_stats_keeper
Fair play , on the face of it his stats don't look great , I'd argue they don't tell the full story but it is what it is.
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Why do we as fans need such detailed stats? Managers and coaches, performance analysts - yes, that’s fair enough..
But if football went according to the stats all the time, it wouldn’t be the emotional roller coaster that it is.
Stats are all well and good in their rightful place - but not to the extent of taking away the enjoyment.?
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I thought he should have saved their goal if his hand was stronger
Harsh that. Thought he did well to get anywhere near it given he was only getting up off the ground after the dive to try and save the initial shot.
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Should he have been sent off? I hope so. About time we had some luck!
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From where I was in the ground I thought he was nailed on to get sent off, as did everyone around me.
Having seen the clip of it, he did try to pull out of the challenge and there was a covering defender so maybe the ref got the right call.
Unusual for us to get lucky with that kind of thing though.
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Where have the highlights been posted please hound?
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Where have the highlights been posted please hound?
I have seen them on the bbc website and I think on here somewhere.
There is a clip from X which shows the TSL foul really clearly.
Sorry I’m not sure which thread I saw it on, maybe someone else will help us out.
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Where have the highlights been posted please hound?
Here you go mate...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/live/c3wegv33qzwt
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From where I was in the ground I thought he was nailed on to get sent off, as did everyone around me.
Having seen the clip of it, he did try to pull out of the challenge and there was a covering defender so maybe the ref got the right call.
Unusual for us to get lucky with that kind of thing though.
Having watched it again it was a nailed on red card, but for once we get away with it, I’ll take that
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From where I was in the ground I thought he was nailed on to get sent off, as did everyone around me.
Having seen the clip of it, he did try to pull out of the challenge and there was a covering defender so maybe the ref got the right call.
Unusual for us to get lucky with that kind of thing though.
Having watched it again it was a nailed on red card, but for once we get away with it, I’ll take that
I don't think it was nailed on red. 2 defenders there in close proximity. Yellow right for me.
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Where have the highlights been posted please hound?
Here you go mate...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/live/c3wegv33qzwt
Cheers Mickey.
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Their player blatantly tried to buy it. Went down way too easily. TSL made enough effort to withdraw.
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I have just posted and deleted my post. I’ve watched it again and it the correct decision. It’s a foul but Maxwell takes it off the player if he carries on.
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Their player blatantly tried to buy it. Went down way too easily. TSL made enough effort to withdraw.
It might have been hard to see in the heat of the moment but the above is correct, when watching the reply. There was at worst a minor brush, and TSL clearly tried to stop himself making contact.
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Show us these stats then
Think I've named 3 sites in this thread you could have Googled and found the answer to but here you go.
https://fbref.com/en/comps/16/keepers/League-Two-Stats#all_stats_keeper
Stats can,and sometimes do lie.
Stats don't lie, it's the interpretation of them that can be lies.
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was Sunday the day TSL became a man ? I think so I have had my doubts but :thumbsup:
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You tube has extensive highlights as well
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Thought TSL has been excellent especially in the last few games, pulled off some great saves.
DonnyO, respectfully would like your view on his recent performances after slating him.
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The save from the overhead kick was good. Hard to predict where they are likely to go so just have to react.
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YSL is a good as we'll get in this league
I for one am thankful.
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I’d say as good as we can get in most levels, the lad is quality.
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Yes, good performance today, some good reaction saves. Little bit slow to distribute at times but hopefully that will develop. Its noticeable we've started to keep a few cleans sheets lately.
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I’d offer him a contract.
Chelsea will probably let him go in the summer.
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I was so unsure about him early this season but obviously still supportive. He has grown into that performance today.
It's one of those positions that everything you do everyone is super critical as everything gets noticed.
Well done TSL.
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There were people in the south stand shouting for Teddy to release the ball more quickly but often there wasn’t a situation or a player he could give it to.
There is no point in just kicking it to halfway and hope one of our players gets it and it would often be suicide to give it to a defender who would instantly be under pressure.
Sometimes an early release just isn’t on.
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YSL is a good as we'll get in this league
I for one am thankful.
Nanananananananananana, Yeddy Sharman-Lowe, Sharman-Lowe, Yeddy Sharman-Lowe.
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Thought TSL has been excellent especially in the last few games, pulled off some great saves.
DonnyO, respectfully would like your view on his recent performances after slating him.
Did alright today, although they didn't challenge him with many shots today, most of what he dealt with was within his skillset imo. Looks like we're sticking with him for the season so hopefully he improves and keeps them clean sheets coming.
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People can say what they like about TSL but for me his progress from pre season to now is chalk and cheese. And out of all the loans we’ve had over the years I can’t say there have been many where I have seen such progression. It’s been a very good loan for all parties.
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Thought TSL has been excellent especially in the last few games, pulled off some great saves.
DonnyO, respectfully would like your view on his recent performances after slating him.
Did alright today, although they didn't challenge him with many shots today, most of what he dealt with was within his skillset imo. Looks like we're sticking with him for the season so hopefully he improves and keeps them clean sheets coming.
Sorry? Were you at the game today?
One excellent hand to the ball from a brilliantly executed overhead kick followed up by a double save at the base of his post that ricocheted off their attacker for a goal kick, then a foot of the post save from inside the box seconds before the halftime whistle blew.
Either one of those goes in & we’d have lost that game today as Harrogate would have stifled us out of it.
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Did well today the lad. I did say to r old boy at the end of the game that he has won MOM 2 or 3 times in last half a dozen game so he is proving his worth.
I would like to add that I started this on his stats and today he saved 2, possibly 3 attempts on goal that were deemed offside. They got the effort on target and he saved them well......but they wouldn't go into stats for saves because they were offside.
Hat's off, he did well today the lad. Probably won us the game and deserved MOM.
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I thought the follow-ups were off side, the initial shots onside, surely? Either way, he was not to know.
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He's been superb. Looks built like De Gea, but really good on crosses. Best keeper we've had with his feet too and reading the game well.
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The ‘brilliantly executed’ overhead kick was offside!
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Takes the pressure of the defence as he deals with a lot of crosses, the one yesterday he came through a crowd of bodies and got a solid fist on it that went over midway in our own half.
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YSL is a good as we'll get in this league
I for one am thankful.
Nanananananananananana, Yeddy Sharman-Lowe, Sharman-Lowe, Yeddy Sharman-Lowe.
I thought maybe Yves St Laurent had taken over in goal for us
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YSL is a good as we'll get in this league
I for one am thankful.
Nanananananananananana, Yeddy Sharman-Lowe, Sharman-Lowe, Yeddy Sharman-Lowe.
I thought maybe Yves St Laurent had taken over in goal for us
Clean Sheets by YSL… the new eau d’parfum
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The ‘brilliantly executed’ overhead kick was offside!
Did TSL know that!!
Anyway it wasn’t, the follow up was.
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The ‘brilliantly executed’ overhead kick was offside!
Don’t think it was.
It was the other lad going for the follow up.
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I think Chelsea have 8 goalkeepers at his level and above and if we can get promoted you might hope that he will reman here next season.
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The ‘brilliantly executed’ overhead kick was offside!
Don’t think it was.
It was the other lad going for the follow up.
Definitely the follow up but even if it was I’m not sure what it matters, was still a great save.
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Terrible on first goal, should never be beat from that angle.
Second goal TSL ended up in back of net before it was even an effort on target?
Made a decent save later on though.
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Terrible on first goal, should never be beat from that angle.
Second goal ended up in back of net before it was even an effort on target?
Made a decent save later on though.
What do you mean with that second sentence.
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Terrible on first goal, should never be beat from that angle.
Second goal ended up in back of net before it was even an effort on target?
Made a decent save later on though.
What do you mean with that second sentence.
Amended
But he was just trying to make himself big.
That first goal is really poor though
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1 more shot on target 1 more goal.
His stats must be poor.
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1 more on target
1 more goal
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Rovers will go no where until they invest in a real keeper
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Rovers will go no where until they invest in a real keeper
Agree
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They are doing exactly what they did to us at home, pick the ball up deep and run straight at us, we have one decent defender who is a good defender when off the ball Olowu all the rest can be run at squared up and left for dead.
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They are doing exactly what they did to us at home, pick the ball up deep and run straight at us, we have one decent defender who is a good defender when off the ball Olowu all the rest can be run at squared up and left for dead.
I'm more worried how easily they are running through midfield before they get to our defence
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YSL is a good as we'll get in this league
I for one am thankful.
Nanananananananananana, Yeddy Sharman-Lowe, Sharman-Lowe, Yeddy Sharman-Lowe.
Being a gargoyle suits you much more that punditry.
You've perfected it.
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Chesterfield have had 7 shots on target and scored 5.
72% of shots on targets are a goal.
Someone jump in and tell me TSL is a good keeper??????
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Why do we as fans need such detailed stats? Managers and coaches, performance analysts - yes, that’s fair enough..
But if football went according to the stats all the time, it wouldn’t be the emotional roller coaster that it is.
Stats are all well and good in their rightful place - but not to the extent of taking away the enjoyment.?
Fans don't,but people in the game do.
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Terrible on first goal, should never be beat from that angle.
Second goal TSL ended up in back of net before it was even an effort on target?
Made a decent save later on though.
He lost his footing & slipped for the first goal unfortunately. Don't understand why you're so quick to come on here to criticise and try and prove some kind of point?! Probably not his best of games but we've played worse and won and likewise the Chesterfield commentators said the same about themselves
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Terrible on first goal, should never be beat from that angle.
Second goal TSL ended up in back of net before it was even an effort on target?
Made a decent save later on though.
He lost his footing & slipped for the first goal unfortunately. Don't understand why you're so quick to come on here to criticise and try and prove some kind of point?! Probably not his best of games but we've played worse and won and likewise the Chesterfield commentators said the same about themselves
Check the OP pal.
TSL doesn't save a lot of shots.
Not saying the loss is his fault BUT a decent keeper and it wouldn't have been 5
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Terrible on first goal, should never be beat from that angle.
Second goal TSL ended up in back of net before it was even an effort on target?
Made a decent save later on though.
He lost his footing & slipped for the first goal unfortunately. Don't understand why you're so quick to come on here to criticise and try and prove some kind of point?! Probably not his best of games but we've played worse and won and likewise the Chesterfield commentators said the same about themselves
Lots of fans have one or two players that they don’t like and jump on every mistake they make.
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Chesterfield have had 7 shots on target and scored 5.
72% of shots on targets are a goal.
Someone jump in and tell me TSL is a good keeper??????
No fA#ker believes stats in this hick town
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Rubbish. Check this check that. He has made some vital saves. But. It is a forum so you are allowed your views
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Chesterfield have had 7 shots on target and scored 5.
72% of shots on targets are a goal.
Someone jump in and tell me TSL is a good keeper??????
No fA#ker believes star in this hick town
What?
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They were clinical, we weren't, wasn't by no means an horrific performance. We were far the better team 1st half, but goals change games and we were far too open for the majority of it chasing the game unfortunately
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Terrible on first goal, should never be beat from that angle.
Second goal TSL ended up in back of net before it was even an effort on target?
Made a decent save later on though.
He slipped for the first goal!
Should we pile on McGrath for slipping for the last goal?
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Some people need to blame someone. We lost. End of more on. More important things in life.
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Terrible on first goal, should never be beat from that angle.
Second goal TSL ended up in back of net before it was even an effort on target?
Made a decent save later on though.
He lost his footing & slipped for the first goal unfortunately. Don't understand why you're so quick to come on here to criticise and try and prove some kind of point?! Probably not his best of games but we've played worse and won and likewise the Chesterfield commentators said the same about themselves
Lots of fans have one or two players that they don’t like and jump on every mistake they make.
Walsall 3 shots on target scored 2 - 66%
Fleetwood 2 shots on target scored 1 - 50%
Port Vale 3 shots on target scored 2 - 66%
Chesterfield 7 shots on target scored 5 - 72%
Yeah, it's me jumping on a player :huh:
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Chesterfield have had 7 shots on target and scored 5.
72% of shots on targets are a goal.
Someone jump in and tell me TSL is a good keeper??????
No fA#ker believes star in this hick town
What?
Troll
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Rubbish. Check this check that. He has made some vital saves. But. It is a forum so you are allowed your views
He has made a lot less basic saves than vital saves.....
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And ???
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Chesterfield have had 7 shots on target and scored 5.
72% of shots on targets are a goal.
Someone jump in and tell me TSL is a good keeper??????
No fA#ker believes star in this hick town
What?
Troll
Take your dogs for a walk and kick the neighbours cat
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Chesterfield have had 7 shots on target and scored 5.
72% of shots on targets are a goal.
Someone jump in and tell me TSL is a good keeper??????
No fA#ker believes star in this hick town
What?
Troll
Seriously, what did you mean, I won’t be the only one who doesn’t know.
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Terrible on first goal, should never be beat from that angle.
Second goal TSL ended up in back of net before it was even an effort on target?
Made a decent save later on though.
He slipped for the first goal!
Should we pile on McGrath for slipping for the last goal?
I only saw replay and didn't notice the slip
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Terrible on first goal, should never be beat from that angle.
Second goal TSL ended up in back of net before it was even an effort on target?
Made a decent save later on though.
He lost his footing & slipped for the first goal unfortunately. Don't understand why you're so quick to come on here to criticise and try and prove some kind of point?! Probably not his best of games but we've played worse and won and likewise the Chesterfield commentators said the same about themselves
Lots of fans have one or two players that they don’t like and jump on every mistake they make.
Walsall 3 shots on target scored 2 - 66%
Fleetwood 2 shots on target scored 1 - 50%
Port Vale 3 shots on target scored 2 - 66%
Chesterfield 7 shots on target scored 5 - 72%
Yeah, it's me jumping on a player :huh:
Rovers 21 shots, 4 on target, theres your problem
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Didn't our defence tonight consist of Maxwell, McGrath, Olowu and Sterry and not just TSL. So why blame just one man? What were the others doing?
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Terrible on first goal, should never be beat from that angle.
Second goal TSL ended up in back of net before it was even an effort on target?
Made a decent save later on though.
He lost his footing & slipped for the first goal unfortunately. Don't understand why you're so quick to come on here to criticise and try and prove some kind of point?! Probably not his best of games but we've played worse and won and likewise the Chesterfield commentators said the same about themselves
Lots of fans have one or two players that they don’t like and jump on every mistake they make.
Walsall 3 shots on target scored 2 - 66%
Fleetwood 2 shots on target scored 1 - 50%
Port Vale 3 shots on target scored 2 - 66%
Chesterfield 7 shots on target scored 5 - 72%
Yeah, it's me jumping on a player :huh:
What are the figures for MK Dons, Barrow, Harrogate, Gillingham and Hull?
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Terrible on first goal, should never be beat from that angle.
Second goal TSL ended up in back of net before it was even an effort on target?
Made a decent save later on though.
He lost his footing & slipped for the first goal unfortunately. Don't understand why you're so quick to come on here to criticise and try and prove some kind of point?! Probably not his best of games but we've played worse and won and likewise the Chesterfield commentators said the same about themselves
Lots of fans have one or two players that they don’t like and jump on every mistake they make.
Walsall 3 shots on target scored 2 - 66%
Fleetwood 2 shots on target scored 1 - 50%
Port Vale 3 shots on target scored 2 - 66%
Chesterfield 7 shots on target scored 5 - 72%
Yeah, it's me jumping on a player :huh:
What are the figures for MK Dons, Barrow, Harrogate, Gillingham and Hull?
I don't know, post them if you want?
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So people blame the keeper and defence but not criticise the players missing chances. Absolute garbage what people pipe up about. TSL didn’t do this, Sterry was rubbish etc etc. we win as a team and lose as a team
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Terrible on first goal, should never be beat from that angle.
Second goal TSL ended up in back of net before it was even an effort on target?
Made a decent save later on though.
He lost his footing & slipped for the first goal unfortunately. Don't understand why you're so quick to come on here to criticise and try and prove some kind of point?! Probably not his best of games but we've played worse and won and likewise the Chesterfield commentators said the same about themselves
Lots of fans have one or two players that they don’t like and jump on every mistake they make.
Walsall 3 shots on target scored 2 - 66%
Fleetwood 2 shots on target scored 1 - 50%
Port Vale 3 shots on target scored 2 - 66%
Chesterfield 7 shots on target scored 5 - 72%
Yeah, it's me jumping on a player :huh:
What are the figures for MK Dons, Barrow, Harrogate, Gillingham and Hull?
I don't know, post them if you want?
I don't have them. I was wondering why you hadn't included them, and what they were.
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Terrible on first goal, should never be beat from that angle.
Second goal TSL ended up in back of net before it was even an effort on target?
Made a decent save later on though.
He lost his footing & slipped for the first goal unfortunately. Don't understand why you're so quick to come on here to criticise and try and prove some kind of point?! Probably not his best of games but we've played worse and won and likewise the Chesterfield commentators said the same about themselves
Lots of fans have one or two players that they don’t like and jump on every mistake they make.
Walsall 3 shots on target scored 2 - 66%
Fleetwood 2 shots on target scored 1 - 50%
Port Vale 3 shots on target scored 2 - 66%
Chesterfield 7 shots on target scored 5 - 72%
Yeah, it's me jumping on a player :huh:
Couldn't wait to get keyboard ready asap trying to prove some kind of point
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Chesterfield have had 7 shots on target and scored 5.
72% of shots on targets are a goal.
Someone jump in and tell me TSL is a good keeper??????
No fA#ker believes star in this hick town
What?
Troll
Seriously, what did you mean, I won’t be the only one who doesn’t know.
I understand completely.
It's beyond the realms of your understanding.
Don't worry.
I have sympathy for you
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So people blame the keeper and defence but not criticise the players missing chances. Absolute garbage what people pipe up about. TSL didn’t do this, Sterry was rubbish etc etc. we win as a team and lose as a team
Think you have me all wrong here, on another thread I noted the issue was Ches walking through midfield.
For clarity WE DID NOT LOSE THIS GAME BECAUSE OF TSL.
BUT if we had a better keeper he would save more than 5 out of 7 shots.
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Spouting rubbish
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Terrible on first goal, should never be beat from that angle.
Second goal TSL ended up in back of net before it was even an effort on target?
Made a decent save later on though.
He lost his footing & slipped for the first goal unfortunately. Don't understand why you're so quick to come on here to criticise and try and prove some kind of point?! Probably not his best of games but we've played worse and won and likewise the Chesterfield commentators said the same about themselves
Lots of fans have one or two players that they don’t like and jump on every mistake they make.
Walsall 3 shots on target scored 2 - 66%
Fleetwood 2 shots on target scored 1 - 50%
Port Vale 3 shots on target scored 2 - 66%
Chesterfield 7 shots on target scored 5 - 72%
Yeah, it's me jumping on a player :huh:
What are the figures for MK Dons, Barrow, Harrogate, Gillingham and Hull?
I don't know, post them if you want?
I don't have them. I was wondering why you hadn't included them, and what they were.
These were the original stats at the beginning of this thread thats all
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Chesterfield have had 7 shots on target and scored 5.
72% of shots on targets are a goal.
Someone jump in and tell me TSL is a good keeper??????
No fA#ker believes star in this hick town
What?
Troll
Seriously, what did you mean, I won’t be the only one who doesn’t know.
I understand completely.
It's beyond the realms of your understanding.
Don't witty.
I have sympathy for you
It’s ok, I get it, too much sangria has made you a bit tetchy.
Calm down, it will all be ok in the morning.
What does “don’t witty” mean by the way, is it a Spanglish phrase.
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Terrible on first goal, should never be beat from that angle.
Second goal TSL ended up in back of net before it was even an effort on target?
Made a decent save later on though.
He lost his footing & slipped for the first goal unfortunately. Don't understand why you're so quick to come on here to criticise and try and prove some kind of point?! Probably not his best of games but we've played worse and won and likewise the Chesterfield commentators said the same about themselves
Lots of fans have one or two players that they don’t like and jump on every mistake they make.
Walsall 3 shots on target scored 2 - 66%
Fleetwood 2 shots on target scored 1 - 50%
Port Vale 3 shots on target scored 2 - 66%
Chesterfield 7 shots on target scored 5 - 72%
Yeah, it's me jumping on a player :huh:
Couldn't wait to get keyboard ready asap trying to prove some kind of point
TSL didn't lose us this game, the team did.
However his stats are not good enough. A keepers job is to stop/save shots. He isn't good enough at that IMO.
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Spouting rubbish
Spouting rubbish? What do you mean?
He had 7 saves to make....we conceded 5.
If that was Louis he would be getting ripped to bits.
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No point talking to you.
Its only a game
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So people blame the keeper and defence but not criticise the players missing chances. Absolute garbage what people pipe up about. TSL didn’t do this, Sterry was rubbish etc etc. we win as a team and lose as a team
Think you have me all wrong here, on another thread I noted the issue was Ches walking through midfield.
For clarity WE DID NOT LOSE THIS GAME BECAUSE OF TSL.
BUT if we had a better keeper he would save more than 5 out of 7 shots.
One he slipped, not much chance of recovering and saving that one I reckon, the question should be about how much space their guy had out wide
Another came from a corner that the defense failed to deal with, not much he could do about that
The last was from a defender slipping and leaving the attacker one on one with him, he did everything right on that one and came out to make himself big, the attacker chipped it over him
So thats 3 of those 5 where he had very little chance of saving them
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Terrible on first goal, should never be beat from that angle.
Second goal TSL ended up in back of net before it was even an effort on target?
Made a decent save later on though.
He lost his footing & slipped for the first goal unfortunately. Don't understand why you're so quick to come on here to criticise and try and prove some kind of point?! Probably not his best of games but we've played worse and won and likewise the Chesterfield commentators said the same about themselves
Lots of fans have one or two players that they don’t like and jump on every mistake they make.
Walsall 3 shots on target scored 2 - 66%
Fleetwood 2 shots on target scored 1 - 50%
Port Vale 3 shots on target scored 2 - 66%
Chesterfield 7 shots on target scored 5 - 72%
Yeah, it's me jumping on a player :huh:
What are the figures for MK Dons, Barrow, Harrogate, Gillingham and Hull?
I don't know, post them if you want?
I don't have them. I was wondering why you hadn't included them, and what they were.
I believe over the 30 league games our opponents have had a combined 93 shots on target on our goal, and scored with 37 of them
But that says nothing about the quality of on-target shots, and that might depend on how much pressure was put on the shooter by our defenders. I don't think you can judge a keeper on those basic stats, the 56 saves might all have been blinders, or all routine as far as the data is concerned
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No point talking to you.
Its only a game
Yep it is pal, and we are on the same side.
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So people blame the keeper and defence but not criticise the players missing chances. Absolute garbage what people pipe up about. TSL didn’t do this, Sterry was rubbish etc etc. we win as a team and lose as a team
Think you have me all wrong here, on another thread I noted the issue was Ches walking through midfield.
For clarity WE DID NOT LOSE THIS GAME BECAUSE OF TSL.
BUT if we had a better keeper he would save more than 5 out of 7 shots.
One he slipped, not much chance of recovering and saving that one I reckon, the question should be about how much space their guy had out wide
Another came from a corner that the defense failed to deal with, not much he could do about that
The last was from a defender slipping and leaving the attacker one on one with him, he did everything right on that one and came out to make himself big, the attacker chipped it over him
So thats 3 of those 5 where he had very little chance of saving them
TSL slipped for the first, Maxwell slipped twice giving the striker at clean shot at goal when we were 2 down forcing TSL into a good save and McGarth slipped for the 5th. Different parts of the pitch, why so many slips at key points
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TSL had little chsnce with any of the goals. Evrn the first as his legs went from under him, like Jay with the 5th
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So people blame the keeper and defence but not criticise the players missing chances. Absolute garbage what people pipe up about. TSL didn’t do this, Sterry was rubbish etc etc. we win as a team and lose as a team
Think you have me all wrong here, on another thread I noted the issue was Ches walking through midfield.
For clarity WE DID NOT LOSE THIS GAME BECAUSE OF TSL.
BUT if we had a better keeper he would save more than 5 out of 7 shots.
One he slipped, not much chance of recovering and saving that one I reckon, the question should be about how much space their guy had out wide
Another came from a corner that the defense failed to deal with, not much he could do about that
The last was from a defender slipping and leaving the attacker one on one with him, he did everything right on that one and came out to make himself big, the attacker chipped it over him
So thats 3 of those 5 where he had very little chance of saving them
Yeah but the stats say otherwise!
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Terrible on first goal, should never be beat from that angle.
Second goal TSL ended up in back of net before it was even an effort on target?
Made a decent save later on though.
He lost his footing & slipped for the first goal unfortunately. Don't understand why you're so quick to come on here to criticise and try and prove some kind of point?! Probably not his best of games but we've played worse and won and likewise the Chesterfield commentators said the same about themselves
Lots of fans have one or two players that they don’t like and jump on every mistake they make.
Walsall 3 shots on target scored 2 - 66%
Fleetwood 2 shots on target scored 1 - 50%
Port Vale 3 shots on target scored 2 - 66%
Chesterfield 7 shots on target scored 5 - 72%
Yeah, it's me jumping on a player :huh:
What are the figures for MK Dons, Barrow, Harrogate, Gillingham and Hull?
I don't know, post them if you want?
I don't have them. I was wondering why you hadn't included them, and what they were.
I believe over the 30 league games our opponents have had a combined 93 shots on target on our goal, and scored with 37 of them
But that says nothing about the quality of on-target shots, and that might depend on how much pressure was put on the shooter by our defenders. I don't think you can judge a keeper on those basic stats, the 56 saves might all have been blinders, or all routine as far as the data is concerned
I think that's where I am with this - whether the data is contextualised, or just treats everything as 'a shot'.
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So people blame the keeper and defence but not criticise the players missing chances. Absolute garbage what people pipe up about. TSL didn’t do this, Sterry was rubbish etc etc. we win as a team and lose as a team
Think you have me all wrong here, on another thread I noted the issue was Ches walking through midfield.
For clarity WE DID NOT LOSE THIS GAME BECAUSE OF TSL.
BUT if we had a better keeper he would save more than 5 out of 7 shots.
One he slipped, not much chance of recovering and saving that one I reckon, the question should be about how much space their guy had out wide
Another came from a corner that the defense failed to deal with, not much he could do about that
The last was from a defender slipping and leaving the attacker one on one with him, he did everything right on that one and came out to make himself big, the attacker chipped it over him
So thats 3 of those 5 where he had very little chance of saving them
TSL slipped for the first, Maxwell slipped twice giving the striker at clean shot at goal when we were 2 down forcing TSL into a good save and McGarth slipped for the 5th. Different parts of the pitch, why so many slips at key points
Its a recurring theme, our players always seem to make more slips than the opposition on a regular basis, in my opinion they need to review the length of studs they use
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So people blame the keeper and defence but not criticise the players missing chances. Absolute garbage what people pipe up about. TSL didn’t do this, Sterry was rubbish etc etc. we win as a team and lose as a team
Think you have me all wrong here, on another thread I noted the issue was Ches walking through midfield.
For clarity WE DID NOT LOSE THIS GAME BECAUSE OF TSL.
BUT if we had a better keeper he would save more than 5 out of 7 shots.
One he slipped, not much chance of recovering and saving that one I reckon, the question should be about how much space their guy had out wide
Another came from a corner that the defense failed to deal with, not much he could do about that
The last was from a defender slipping and leaving the attacker one on one with him, he did everything right on that one and came out to make himself big, the attacker chipped it over him
So thats 3 of those 5 where he had very little chance of saving them
Filo I didn't see first, only a quick replay.
Second, I agree came from poor defensive header form McG for me. TSL ended up in back of net trying to cover it7.
Fifth was McG slip.
But, 5 goals from 7 on target....and this isn't isolated.
By the way, he made a great save toward the back end of first half that I thought was a goal. So I'm not on a with hunt.
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So people blame the keeper and defence but not criticise the players missing chances. Absolute garbage what people pipe up about. TSL didn’t do this, Sterry was rubbish etc etc. we win as a team and lose as a team
Think you have me all wrong here, on another thread I noted the issue was Ches walking through midfield.
For clarity WE DID NOT LOSE THIS GAME BECAUSE OF TSL.
BUT if we had a better keeper he would save more than 5 out of 7 shots.
One he slipped, not much chance of recovering and saving that one I reckon, the question should be about how much space their guy had out wide
Another came from a corner that the defense failed to deal with, not much he could do about that
The last was from a defender slipping and leaving the attacker one on one with him, he did everything right on that one and came out to make himself big, the attacker chipped it over him
So thats 3 of those 5 where he had very little chance of saving them
Filo I didn't see first, only a quick replay.
Second, I agree came from poor defensive header form McG for me. TSL ended up in back of net trying to cover it7.
Fifth was McG slip.
But, 5 goals from 7 on target....and this isn't isolated.
By the way, he made a great save toward the back end of first half that I thought was a goal. So I'm not on a with hunt.
I really don’t know why you are moaning about him conceding 5 from 7 when you have just acknowledged those three goals he had little chance of saving
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So people blame the keeper and defence but not criticise the players missing chances. Absolute garbage what people pipe up about. TSL didn’t do this, Sterry was rubbish etc etc. we win as a team and lose as a team
Think you have me all wrong here, on another thread I noted the issue was Ches walking through midfield.
For clarity WE DID NOT LOSE THIS GAME BECAUSE OF TSL.
BUT if we had a better keeper he would save more than 5 out of 7 shots.
One he slipped, not much chance of recovering and saving that one I reckon, the question should be about how much space their guy had out wide
Another came from a corner that the defense failed to deal with, not much he could do about that
The last was from a defender slipping and leaving the attacker one on one with him, he did everything right on that one and came out to make himself big, the attacker chipped it over him
So thats 3 of those 5 where he had very little chance of saving them
TSL slipped for the first, Maxwell slipped twice giving the striker at clean shot at goal when we were 2 down forcing TSL into a good save and McGarth slipped for the 5th. Different parts of the pitch, why so many slips at key points
Its a recurring theme, our players always seem to make more slips than the opposition on a regular basis, in my opinion they need to review the length of studs they use
As a serious question here......
Could this be down to the fact our pitch is part synthetic?
I've never really known or understood the difference that it would/should make.
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So people blame the keeper and defence but not criticise the players missing chances. Absolute garbage what people pipe up about. TSL didn’t do this, Sterry was rubbish etc etc. we win as a team and lose as a team
Think you have me all wrong here, on another thread I noted the issue was Ches walking through midfield.
For clarity WE DID NOT LOSE THIS GAME BECAUSE OF TSL.
BUT if we had a better keeper he would save more than 5 out of 7 shots.
One he slipped, not much chance of recovering and saving that one I reckon, the question should be about how much space their guy had out wide
Another came from a corner that the defense failed to deal with, not much he could do about that
The last was from a defender slipping and leaving the attacker one on one with him, he did everything right on that one and came out to make himself big, the attacker chipped it over him
So thats 3 of those 5 where he had very little chance of saving them
Filo I didn't see first, only a quick replay.
Second, I agree came from poor defensive header form McG for me. TSL ended up in back of net trying to cover it7.
Fifth was McG slip.
But, 5 goals from 7 on target....and this isn't isolated.
By the way, he made a great save toward the back end of first half that I thought was a goal. So I'm not on a with hunt.
Sorry but tonight the blame cannot be directed at Teddy. Not when we defend like that. 4 out of the 5 goals came from the chesterfield player bearing down on his goal after our defence/midfield went for a walk (and a jay slip)
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So people blame the keeper and defence but not criticise the players missing chances. Absolute garbage what people pipe up about. TSL didn’t do this, Sterry was rubbish etc etc. we win as a team and lose as a team
Think you have me all wrong here, on another thread I noted the issue was Ches walking through midfield.
For clarity WE DID NOT LOSE THIS GAME BECAUSE OF TSL.
BUT if we had a better keeper he would save more than 5 out of 7 shots.
One he slipped, not much chance of recovering and saving that one I reckon, the question should be about how much space their guy had out wide
Another came from a corner that the defense failed to deal with, not much he could do about that
The last was from a defender slipping and leaving the attacker one on one with him, he did everything right on that one and came out to make himself big, the attacker chipped it over him
So thats 3 of those 5 where he had very little chance of saving them
Filo I didn't see first, only a quick replay.
Second, I agree came from poor defensive header form McG for me. TSL ended up in back of net trying to cover it7.
Fifth was McG slip.
But, 5 goals from 7 on target....and this isn't isolated.
By the way, he made a great save toward the back end of first half that I thought was a goal. So I'm not on a with hunt.
I really don’t know why you are moaning about him conceding 5 from 7 when you have just acknowledged those three goals he had little chance of saving
I didn't say he had little chance of saving.
1st I didn't see his slip.....still a tight angle to score from so the odds would be on the keeper side massively.
2nd it came from poor defending BUT TSL ended up in the back of the goal before a shot on target, I accept he was trying his best to cover on this one....he will get better at that with experience.
Last one, yes McG slips putaide 18yrd box but that doesn't make it a given goal.....we still have a keeper in the way
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So people blame the keeper and defence but not criticise the players missing chances. Absolute garbage what people pipe up about. TSL didn’t do this, Sterry was rubbish etc etc. we win as a team and lose as a team
Think you have me all wrong here, on another thread I noted the issue was Ches walking through midfield.
For clarity WE DID NOT LOSE THIS GAME BECAUSE OF TSL.
BUT if we had a better keeper he would save more than 5 out of 7 shots.
One he slipped, not much chance of recovering and saving that one I reckon, the question should be about how much space their guy had out wide
Another came from a corner that the defense failed to deal with, not much he could do about that
The last was from a defender slipping and leaving the attacker one on one with him, he did everything right on that one and came out to make himself big, the attacker chipped it over him
So thats 3 of those 5 where he had very little chance of saving them
Filo I didn't see first, only a quick replay.
Second, I agree came from poor defensive header form McG for me. TSL ended up in back of net trying to cover it7.
Fifth was McG slip.
But, 5 goals from 7 on target....and this isn't isolated.
By the way, he made a great save toward the back end of first half that I thought was a goal. So I'm not on a with hunt.
Sorry but tonight the blame cannot be directed at Teddy. Not when we defend like that. 4 out of the 5 goals came from the chesterfield player bearing down on his goal after our defence/midfield went for a walk (and a jay slip)
Thorney, I'm not blaming TSL for the loss.
The loss sits with the whole team 100% and the midfield/defence were an issue.
But we are conceding a high % of shots on target in a lot of games.
Thats all.
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Bore off
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The first goal was a bad error. He was indecisive coming off his line and went into panic mode when he was retreating.
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Bore off
Really, is that your input? Get to kip lad, guessing you need up be up for school?
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The first goal was a bad error. He was indecisive coming off his line and went into panic mode when he was retreating.
I didn't see it Gaz, ended up watching from about 15-20min. Saw a very quick replay at HT that's all.
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The first goal was a bad error. He was indecisive coming off his line and went into panic mode when he was retreating.
I wasn’t at the game and the video coverage only brought Ted into view as the shot was hit and he appeared to be almost on the ground, he had obviously slipped, a bit like the Marosi one at Charlton.
I believe he would have blocked the shot if he hadn’t slipped.
I was wondering though why he hadn’t come to the edge of the box to try to intercept the through ball.
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Bore off
Really, is that your input? Get to kip lad, guessing you need up be up for school?
Poor choice of phrase mate.
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Bore off
Really, is that your input? Get to kip lad, guessing you need up be up for school?
Poor choice of phrase mate.
I don't know pal? Never met a grown bloke that says bore off.
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Chesterfield have had 7 shots on target and scored 5.
72% of shots on targets are a goal.
Someone jump in and tell me TSL is a good keeper??????
No fA#ker believes star in this hick town
What?
Troll
Seriously, what did you mean, I won’t be the only one who doesn’t know.
I understand completely.
It's beyond the realms of your understanding.
Don't witty.
I have sympathy for you
It’s ok, I get it, too much sangria has made you a bit tetchy.
Calm down, it will all be ok in the morning.
What does “don’t witty” mean by the way, is it a Spanglish phrase.
No Graham
It's because I flick between 3 languages on my phone.
I never had the intention of calling you witty.
That would be ridiculous.
My apologies.
Stereotyping about the Iberian Penisula and sangria shows a complete ignorance.
Now,about kicking the cat?
You keep chanting Yotkshire when we play..Bradford for example.
You'll feel as fresh as a daisy chain in the morning.
Troll
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If that’s aimed at me. No. I 55in a couple of weeks. I have supported our club for nearly 50 years. Through the highs and lows. Butifit is aimed at me? Guess what , I put things in perspective now. I have been diagnosed with terminal cancer. Hence why, I say it’s only a game etc and you do talk drivel. It is what it is. We win we lose.
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If that’s aimed at me. No. I 55in a couple of weeks. I have supported our club for nearly 50 years. Through the highs and lows. Butifit is aimed at me? Guess what , I put things in perspective now. I have been diagnosed with terminal cancer. Hence why, I say it’s only a game etc and you do talk drivel. It is what it is. We win we lose.
Spilsby, I don't know you, never met you, happy to meet up with anyone in here because we are all on the same side.
I empathise for your diagnosis having dealt with that in my own family, very close family.
You have about 10yrs more than me supporting the Rovers so seen more than I have.
It is only a game, but a game that draws passion and excitement so we should get a rush of emotion every time.
I like to think most of my posts and opinions are founded and not 'drivel' that said I am not always right, that is the joy in a good debate! I have close friends who are rovers fans who I disagree with....doesn't mean we fall out!
Yes, we win, we lose and its hard being a Donny fan! But it's probably the same of 90% of EFL teams.
Doesn't mean I can't be concerned about the No of shots on targets that become goals.
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Chesterfield have had 7 shots on target and scored 5.
72% of shots on targets are a goal.
Someone jump in and tell me TSL is a good keeper??????
No fA#ker believes star in this hick town
What?
Troll
Seriously, what did you mean, I won’t be the only one who doesn’t know.
I understand completely.
It's beyond the realms of your understanding.
Don't witty.
I have sympathy for you
It’s ok, I get it, too much sangria has made you a bit tetchy.
Calm down, it will all be ok in the morning.
What does “don’t witty” mean by the way, is it a Spanglish phrase.
No Graham
It's because I flick between 3 languages on my phone.
I never had the intention of calling you witty.
That would be ridiculous.
My apologies.
Stereotyping about the Iberian Penisula and sangria shows a complete ignorance.
Now,about kicking the cat?
You keep chanting Yotkshire when we play..Bradford for example.
You'll feel as fresh as a daisy chain in the morning.
Troll
The way you wrote “don’t witty” never made me think you meant to call me witty, it never crossed my mind.
It was mainly the “star in this hick town” bit that had me puzzled.
However, your explanation about clicking between three language’s make it perfectly clear.
They must be English, Spanish and of course, Gibberish.
The latter is obviously the one you use the most so that explains much to the rest of us on here.
Let me know when you are next coming to the Eco and you can show me how it works.
PS: I explained why the lads were chanting “Yorkshire” and that is why it won’t be used at Bradford. Comprende.
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I thought first goal it was indecision never saw a slip but other than that don’t think he did too much wrong
Second goal I don’t think should have stood.
Defensively we were poor tonight but hopefully it’s a kick up the rear and we learn and move on
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Terrible on first goal, should never be beat from that angle.
Second goal TSL ended up in back of net before it was even an effort on target?
Made a decent save later on though.
He lost his footing & slipped for the first goal unfortunately. Don't understand why you're so quick to come on here to criticise and try and prove some kind of point?! Probably not his best of games but we've played worse and won and likewise the Chesterfield commentators said the same about themselves
Lots of fans have one or two players that they don’t like and jump on every mistake they make.
Walsall 3 shots on target scored 2 - 66%
Fleetwood 2 shots on target scored 1 - 50%
Port Vale 3 shots on target scored 2 - 66%
Chesterfield 7 shots on target scored 5 - 72%
Yeah, it's me jumping on a player :huh:
What about all the other games?
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Sorry, I don't rate him. He barely seems to save or catch anything that isn't straight at him.
We could've had a cardboard cutout in goal tonight and we wouldn't have been any worse off.
Put Lawlor back in. At least he can actually make diving saves if nothing else.
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TSL streets ahead of anyone else we have at the club, that won't change until the summer at the earliest. Teddy wasn't great today but he's young and he'll learn. If you commit to going you have to go, indecisiveness costs goals.
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First goal he was doing the Hokey Cokey and then was flat on his face when the shot came in. Second one he decided to go and hang off the crossbar at the far side while their guy tapped it in in the middle. Absolutely comedy goalkeeping.
Never got the sense the chances for the 4th and 5th were going to end up in anything but goals.
He’s had a few better games recently but I’m not having him. Story of the season is if you get a decent shot on target against him, you’ve got a very good chance of scoring. And if you put a corner in his 6 yard box, chances are he’ll flap at it.
But he’s good at passing the ball so that’s the main thing for a goalkeeper isn’t it?
It was a mistake not getting this position nailed down with a solid, dependable, unflashy operator in the summer, even if they’re a bit boring and can’t ping a 50 yard Hollywood pass. If you want to win titles you need a solid back line and a goalkeeper that can do the basics and keep you in games, not give the opposition a two goal head start.
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Ill say it again, the goalkeeper in the short term is the least of our problems. When i say short term, eventually it would be nice to have a decent permanent goalkeeper on the books.
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Chesterfield have had 7 shots on target and scored 5.
72% of shots on targets are a goal.
Someone jump in and tell me TSL is a good keeper??????
I thought negativity wasn’t allowed?
You can have whatever opinion you like, but don’t go mental at anyone else with anything critical to say over the last few months and then go do it yourself
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I think the point being made is that most attacks on goal are dealt with by the defence but inevitably a few will get through and make a strike on goal. The keeper is the last line of defence and will save or mop up the majority of those attempts. It doesn't seem to be the case with TSL and I'm not talking about last night particularly it seems to have been the case for much of the season. Having said that Teddy does some excellent work for us catching, punching and distribution but attempts on goal and shots in particular he seems a little vulnerable.
The point made about Rovers players slipping I too have noticed this, again last night on one occasion in the first half Maxwell was trying to stop a player getting a cross in who was twisting and turning and Max' slipped twice leaving the player to get his cross in. It didn't come to anything which is why I haven't seen anything said about it on here. As mentioned, the choice of studs surely has to be suspect.
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I consider the comments about tsl are very harsh, yes he made some mistakes last night, but he hasn’t made too many since he has been with us.
To counter this he has made many excellent saves in games.
He is better than the keepers we have at the club
That defeat last night was down to the team and Grant, they simply got things totally wrong.
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I like TSL did he not save a penalty against Hull therefore helping us get through to Palace Monday night ?
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Chesterfield have had 7 shots on target and scored 5.
72% of shots on targets are a goal.
Someone jump in and tell me TSL is a good keeper??????
I thought negativity wasn’t allowed?
You can have whatever opinion you like, but don’t go mental at anyone else with anything critical to say over the last few months and then go do it yourself
Should I follow your instruction? Sorry boss.
I noted 2 stats then I asked a question.
If you have perceived that as negative that's up to you.
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Don’t get all these stats that’s showing high percentage off shots going in,for me he has done well and 1st goal on Thursday is the only one where he has been a full fault and the one to blame and that is because he slipped,yes others you can say he should or could of done better but by no means is he a poor keeper the stats says he doesn’t save many
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Folk should look at the PV keeper today v Swindon. I'll stick with TSL thanks.
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There’s a lot being said about football boots & the choice by players to wear studs or blades.
I’ve heard nothing but negatives about the use of blades in as much for players who choose to wear them in positions where their game ‘dictates’ them to twist & turn in tight situations they have caused them to ‘stick’ into the ground thus causing ligament damage.
How effective they (blades) are in goal keeping or in defensive positions in being able to ‘plant your feet better’ I have no idea having never played in boots with blades.
I know some Premiership managers (no doubt due their ‘higher profile’ in the game) have forbidden their players to wear blades.