TSL

[i_ateallthepies]

I posted this on another thread but this is my opinion on TSL ...on TSL being a good shot stopper, both the goals yesterday went through him, his positioning ok but his shot stopping reactions are too slow, this is not the first time he lets in goals that even Jones would gobble up, I agree his distribution is good but this lad sees himself as a sweeper the first goal yesterday went right under him and was only medium strength power , maybe we are crowding him out and should give him more room but for me TLT instead of TSL and we would be romping this league

I agree with this and it isn't only a recent thing with the shot stopping, there were examples early season of goals from shots that he might have been expected to stop, and which Jones or Lawlor probably would have done better with.  But he definitely is better commanding his area and coming for high balls punching and catching.

[bobbymax]

The goalkeeper is the least of our issues.

[DonnyOsmond]

The goalkeeper is the least of our issues.

Incorrect.

[obeonesarover]

The goalkeeper is the least of our issues.

I'm sorry but if he stops those shots he would be expected to save we could be top, but I agree he's not the only issue but whoever is in goal they will have shots to contend with, no defence is 100 % and that's why we have a goalkeeper

[obeonesarover]

And sure as eggs are eggs he's going to come up against someone who's seen josh Windass lob the other day and think hey I can do that too his walkabout makes me nervous

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

I'm fine with him coming off his line he's got at that and good at sweeping behind the defence. We just can't surely say we'll be promoted with a keeper who doesn't make that many saves.  Granted he's not made many howlers but he doesn't win us games like the port vale keeper did yesterday. That's a weakness.

[GazLaz]

I'm fine with him coming off his line he's got at that and good at sweeping behind the defence. We just can't surely say we'll be promoted with a keeper who doesn't make that many saves.  Granted he's not made many howlers but he doesn't win us games like the port vale keeper did yesterday. That's a weakness.

In general, with keepers, it’s easy to see the howlers and the great saves. It’s the stuff in between that’s really hard to judge. The marginal things that really only numbers can represent.

That point stands for football in general really but it’s generally easier judging outfield players by eye due to the higher number of actions they perform in a match (unless you play in our midfield!!).

[Bailey Vickerage]

There has been a few goals recently where TSL should be doing better but disagree with ppl saying he should be saving the first one on Saturday.

Was poor from Olowu to let his man get by him that easy then didn’t pick up Croasdale in the middle of the box.

As for TSL, all his momentum and weight was going the opposite way as the cross came in and from that distance it’s near impossible to get that when going the other way.

Look at Raul Jimenez’ first penalty against Ipswich on Sunday. The keeper made one small movement to put weight on one side and Jimenez passed it to the other, hardly any power on it but the keeper was already going the other way and that’s in the premier league when keepers should be able to react a lot quicker.

[drfchound]

The player who turned Joe was just too good for him on that occasion and the cross into the box was perfect, giving Croasdale plenty of time to pick his spot.
These things happen, even in the PL.
Sometimes we should just accept that it wasn’t stoppable.
Better players than Joe would have been done by the winger that time.
All goals are preventable with hindsight.

[idler]

Grant seemed more upset that our players were marking empty space rather than picking players up in the. box. His comment was space doesn’t score goals.

[StocksArmy]

Must say I was wrong regarding Vales first goal. If you look at the view from behind the net it’s just really bad defending and a good finish.

[selby]

  Idler, exactly, the best defenders, and the best attackers know where to be in the box, compare their two goals with what Ironside had to put up with in the last few minutes, good defending in their box.
   That moment with their defender cost us a point and gained Port Vale two points, get tight on the man.

[MachoMadness]

The question is, does his quality distribution result in us creating and scoring more than his poor shot stopping - and it generally isn't great, the numbers don't lie - costs us? Difficult to say.

[donnievic]

No way was teddy at fault with either goal Saturday,1st one was joes fault he got well and truly done and had it been sterry he would of been hung drawn and quartered,ball come in the box from the cross and anyone who had played in goal will know teddy will of been transferring his weight onto his left to move towards more centrally and then couldn’t adjust,same with the 2nd it takes a deflation off Jay so goes up instead of along the floor and he didn’t ready quick enough

There is a difference with being at fault and possibly coukd of done better

[Filo]

No way was teddy at fault with either goal Saturday,1st one was joes fault he got well and truly done and had it been sterry he would of been hung drawn and quartered,ball come in the box from the cross and anyone who had played in goal will know teddy will of been transferring his weight onto his left to move towards more centrally and then couldn’t adjust,same with the 2nd it takes a deflation off Jay so goes up instead of along the floor and he didn’t ready quick enough

There is a difference with being at fault and possibly coukd of done better

First one was the refs fault, Clifton gets taken out on the West Side near the halfway line, ref doesn’t give a nailed on foul, they score 10 seconds later. If we got a free kick then, the goal never happens

[donnievic]

No way was teddy at fault with either goal Saturday,1st one was joes fault he got well and truly done and had it been sterry he would of been hung drawn and quartered,ball come in the box from the cross and anyone who had played in goal will know teddy will of been transferring his weight onto his left to move towards more centrally and then couldn’t adjust,same with the 2nd it takes a deflation off Jay so goes up instead of along the floor and he didn’t ready quick enough

There is a difference with being at fault and possibly coukd of done better

First one was the refs fault, Clifton gets taken out on the West Side near the halfway line, ref doesn’t give a nailed on foul, they score 10 seconds later. If we got a free kick then, the goal never happens

maybe so but still shouldn’t have got across the field then back into the box

[glosterred]

Anyone still not convinced?



COYR

[dknward2]

He needs to do this more often but a man of the match performance today.

Could have easily been sent off with a league 2 ref in charge today

[DonnyOsmond]

Anyone still not convinced?



COYR

Yeah 100%. Louis Jones had good games, made some good double saves, saved penalties... Yet the majority of the fans don't want him in goal.

Despite today the stats still show he costs us goals, despite what yourself and the people who liked the post think.

[DonnyBazR0ver]

Anyone still not convinced?



COYR

Yeah 100%. Louis Jones had good games, made some good double saves, saved penalties... Yet the majority of the fans don't want him in goal.

Despite today the stats still show he costs us goals, despite what yourself and the people who liked the post think.

I don't care what stats you choose to show, but TSL hasn't been the reason we have lost games.

[DonnyOsmond]

Anyone still not convinced?



COYR

Yeah 100%. Louis Jones had good games, made some good double saves, saved penalties... Yet the majority of the fans don't want him in goal.

Despite today the stats still show he costs us goals, despite what yourself and the people who liked the post think.

I don't care what stats you choose to show, but TSL hasn't been the reason we have lost games.

"Shut up with your facts! I don't like them!!!"

[andyst79]

Show us these stats then

[Fal]

Anyone still not convinced?



COYR

Yeah 100%. Louis Jones had good games, made some good double saves, saved penalties... Yet the majority of the fans don't want him in goal.

Despite today the stats still show he costs us goals, despite what yourself and the people who liked the post think.

I don't care what stats you choose to show, but TSL hasn't been the reason we have lost games.

"Shut up with your facts! I don't like them!!!"

Great performance from him today, absolute nonsense from anyone that slates him.

I’m sure he will make mistakes like any player would but as a previous poster the goalkeeper is the least of our problems.

[DonnyBazR0ver]

Anyone still not convinced?



COYR

Yeah 100%. Louis Jones had good games, made some good double saves, saved penalties... Yet the majority of the fans don't want him in goal.

Despite today the stats still show he costs us goals, despite what yourself and the people who liked the post think.

I don't care what stats you choose to show, but TSL hasn't been the reason we have lost games.

"Shut up with your facts! I don't like them!!!"

It's about judgement over a season balanced with the saves he has made and those where he might have done better...as with any keeper and what difference those judgement calls make to the outcome of the game. Plus, whether the defence in front of him were the root cause. Stats don't tell the whole story either way.

[DonnyOsmond]

Show us these stats then

Think I've named 3 sites in this thread you could have Googled and found the answer to but here you go.

https://fbref.com/en/comps/16/keepers/League-Two-Stats#all_stats_keeper

[Drover]

I like TSL,we was always unlikely to replace TLT with anyone as good.
Oddly,the only gripe I have with TSL is penalties,he always seems to dive wrong way,I was thinking during todays shoot-out,have I ever seen him save a Pen,and I mean save,not opponents miss the target,then he goes and saves Hull's 6th pen and Im deliriously happy!!!
Well done young man,Im sure he is going to have a good career.

[Drover]

Show us these stats then

Think I've named 3 sites in this thread you could have Googled and found the answer to but here you go.

https://fbref.com/en/comps/16/keepers/League-Two-Stats#all_stats_keeper

Stats can,and sometimes do lie.

[Metalmicky]

Lad had a blinder today - let's celebrate that and the win eh..

[DonnyOsmond]

Show us these stats then

Think I've named 3 sites in this thread you could have Googled and found the answer to but here you go.

https://fbref.com/en/comps/16/keepers/League-Two-Stats#all_stats_keeper

Stats can,and sometimes do lie.

One or two games in isolation and you'd have a point, 25 games not so much.

Love from a Professional Data Analyst.

[drfchound]

He was terrific today.