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Title: Players going out
Post by: steve@dcfd on January 31, 2025, 02:57:04 pm
We could have 3/4 senior players going out on loan might have one today.

Don’t want sell in this window unless a ridiculous offer comes in the job is to get promoted out of this league.

https://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/sport/football/grant-mccann-confirms-impending-doncaster-rovers-exit-as-he-delivers-contract-talks-update-4969754
Title: Re: Players going out
Post by: albie on January 31, 2025, 03:01:27 pm
Yeboah has gone to Dunfirmline for the rest of the season, from Brizzle City.
Title: Re: Players going out
Post by: Yorkshire Lad on January 31, 2025, 03:06:06 pm
I'm hearing Hurst on loan to Chesterfield.
Title: Re: Players going out
Post by: ncRover on January 31, 2025, 03:10:16 pm
I'm hearing Hurst on loan to Chesterfield.

They’ve lost Markandy and Berry their star wingers so would make sense.
Could be a risk to us though in helping them out…
Title: Re: Players going out
Post by: Draytonian III on January 31, 2025, 03:14:55 pm
If he does go there he won’t be allowed to play next week
Title: Re: Players going out
Post by: Bessie Red on January 31, 2025, 03:16:40 pm
I'm hearing Hurst on loan to Chesterfield.

They’ve lost Markandy and Berry their star wingers so would make sense.
Could be a risk to us though in helping them out…
I would imagine that if he were to go to any league 2 club we are still to play then there would be a clause stating that he couldn't feature against us. Hopefully that would apply to any other players loaned to clubs we are left to play.
Title: Re: Players going out
Post by: Yorkshire Lad on January 31, 2025, 03:19:08 pm
I'm hearing Hurst on loan to Chesterfield.

They’ve lost Markandy and Berry their star wingers so would make sense.
Could be a risk to us though in helping them out…
I would imagine that if he were to go to any league 2 club we are still to play then there would be a clause stating that he couldn't feature against us. Hopefully that would apply to any other players loaned to clubs we are left to play.

That would always be a condition in any loan deal.
Title: Re: Players going out
Post by: GazLaz on January 31, 2025, 03:22:11 pm
Loaning a quality player to a side competing with us for promotion is a slightly odd one.
Title: Re: Players going out
Post by: Dutch Uncle on January 31, 2025, 03:28:57 pm
Loaning a quality player to a side competing with us for promotion is a slightly odd one.

Yes, but an alternate view might be that if we see him as not good enough at the moment to get into our side on a regular basis, and he can't play against us, then he might not good enough to see Chesterfield make up the points they need to catch the group (10 points behind us with a game in hand), but might be good enough to help Chesterfield take some points from our rivals?

A bit convoluted I know   :chair:   
Title: Re: Players going out
Post by: GazLaz on January 31, 2025, 03:33:44 pm
Loaning a quality player to a side competing with us for promotion is a slightly odd one.

Yes, but an alternate view might be that if we see him as not good enough at the moment to get into our side on a regular basis, and he can't play against us, then he might not good enough to see Chesterfield make up the points they need to catch the group (10 points behind us with a game in hand), but might be good enough to help Chesterfield take some points from our rivals?

A bit convoluted I know   :chair:   

The last part could be relevant about any L2 team.

I hope he goes there and does well, it’s a poor decision he’s not in our squad. Street and Ennis have looked a down grade on Gibson and Hurst to me. Game of opinions tho I suppose.
Title: Re: Players going out
Post by: Northants Nomad on January 31, 2025, 03:36:10 pm
A game of opinions, indeed, GazLaz, and I, for one, have the opposite view. Gibson and Hurst are both decent players, but too fragile, one physically and one mentally.
Title: Re: Players going out
Post by: GazLaz on January 31, 2025, 03:40:40 pm
A game of opinions, indeed, GazLaz, and I, for one, have the opposite view. Gibson and Hurst are both decent players, but too fragile, one physically and one mentally.

It’s not a thread about Gibson so my last point, the way he holds the ball up and allows us to get up the pitch is key to us. Our best performances have come when he’s played. He’s quality.
Title: Re: Players going out
Post by: Draytonian III on January 31, 2025, 03:47:40 pm
A game of opinions, indeed, GazLaz, and I, for one, have the opposite view. Gibson and Hurst are both decent players, but too fragile, one physically and one mentally.

It’s not a thread about Gibson so my last point, the way he holds the ball up and allows us to get up the pitch is key to us. Our best performances have come when he’s played. He’s quality.


I don’t think that opinion will be widespread with a lot of others, on and off this forum
Title: Re: Players going out
Post by: Cramby10 on January 31, 2025, 03:58:23 pm
Such a shame. I’m well aware McCann knows miles better than me, but I can’t square it in my head that we are going to send away possibly 3 players, Hurst Close Westbrook, who are far and away better than some of the ones we currently have to endure in Sbarra, Clifton, Broadbent and Kelly.
Opinions eh.
Title: Re: Players going out
Post by: DonnyBazR0ver on January 31, 2025, 03:58:46 pm
My first reaction is one of disappointment but when you think about it, we know consistency has been Kyle's problem.

For a player to go out, someone's got to want them.

Hursts highs might be better than Gibson or Street (too early to say about Ennis) but his lows might be seen as worse. If McCann thinks he can get a more consistent tune out of Ennis & Gibson then so be it.

Longer term, the move could be beneficial for Kyle, a different voice, different team, different expectations.

As Dutch says, he could be our secret agent working behind enemy lines.
Title: Re: Players going out
Post by: DearneValleyRover on January 31, 2025, 03:59:25 pm
I'm hearing Hurst on loan to Chesterfield.

Be careful, when I said he was going out on loan last week I was told my neighbours Auntie had told me.
Title: Re: Players going out
Post by: DearneValleyRover on January 31, 2025, 04:01:32 pm
Personally I think Hurst is better than Clifton and Sbarra for the number 10 role but he just hasn’t grabbed his chance. Shame because he’s got talent.
Title: Re: Players going out
Post by: GazLaz on January 31, 2025, 04:06:04 pm
Personally I think Hurst is better than Clifton and Sbarra for the number 10 role but he just hasn’t grabbed his chance. Shame because he’s got talent.

He’s a developing player and we should be nurturing him.
Title: Re: Players going out
Post by: GazLaz on January 31, 2025, 04:06:40 pm
A game of opinions, indeed, GazLaz, and I, for one, have the opposite view. Gibson and Hurst are both decent players, but too fragile, one physically and one mentally.

It’s not a thread about Gibson so my last point, the way he holds the ball up and allows us to get up the pitch is key to us. Our best performances have come when he’s played. He’s quality.


I don’t that opinion will be widespread with a lot of others, on and off this forum

What do they know!
Title: Re: Players going out
Post by: Dutch Uncle on January 31, 2025, 04:06:59 pm
Loaning a quality player to a side competing with us for promotion is a slightly odd one.

Yes, but an alternate view might be that if we see him as not good enough at the moment to get into our side on a regular basis, and he can't play against us, then he might not good enough to see Chesterfield make up the points they need to catch the group (10 points behind us with a game in hand), but might be good enough to help Chesterfield take some points from our rivals?

A bit convoluted I know   :chair:   

The last part could be relevant about any L2 team.

I hope he goes there and does well, it’s a poor decision he’s not in our squad. Street and Ennis have looked a down grade on Gibson and Hurst to me. Game of opinions tho I suppose.

Not disagreeing too much, except that I don't think it is a clear cut, no-brainer decision.

Hurst on his day is a great player (e.g.Bradford away) but has not yet showed consistency. He might play three or four brilliant games for Chesterfield, but not do much in the other games - and if the 3 or 4 games are against top teams all the better.

The little I have seen is that Street is not a like for like comparison with Gibson & Hurst - he is a player with a stronger physical presence and can play central or wide.

Ennis is younger than Hurst, looks promising from what I have seen, and there is the possibility he adapts well to the men's game and improves very quickly as the weeks go by. Craig did that last season.

Another aspect is that if Hurst plays regularly and does well for Chesterfield (or someone else), that is also good for us. I think he is OOC in the summer, but under 24 so I think we can get a fee if we make him an offer he turns down.

We need to trim. Hurst can be good, but this might be a good decision. :scarf:
Title: Re: Players going out
Post by: drfchound on January 31, 2025, 04:11:34 pm
I would like to see Kyle improve and become more consistent.
He has done well for us as an impact sub but doesn’t quite cut the mustard when he starts games.
Perhaps a run in the Chessie team might help him.
If it does he might come back to us as a better player and maybe kick on next season.
I don’t think he will be acting as a secret agent against us on Thursday either.
Title: Re: Players going out
Post by: DonnyBazR0ver on January 31, 2025, 04:11:43 pm
Personally I think Hurst is better than Clifton and Sbarra for the number 10 role but he just hasn’t grabbed his chance. Shame because he’s got talent.

He’s a developing player and we should be nurturing him.

Agree but the loan could be part of that process. I remember donkeys ago when Copps very nearly went out on loan to Rotherham but wind the clock forward a couple of years, that would have been unthinkable. (Although his loan to Forest was slightly different circumstances) but it made him a better player as he matured.
Title: Re: Players going out
Post by: selby on January 31, 2025, 04:14:10 pm
  DBR, I don't think I have commented on any player going out on loan as I have no idea who we are willing to let out on loan.
  If any do I wish them well, and hope they progress their career either here in future or elsewhere.
Title: Re: Players going out
Post by: DearneValleyRover on January 31, 2025, 04:14:53 pm
Personally I think Hurst is better than Clifton and Sbarra for the number 10 role but he just hasn’t grabbed his chance. Shame because he’s got talent.

He’s a developing player and we should be nurturing him.

Not something we do though is it, unfortunately
Title: Re: Players going out
Post by: DonnyBazR0ver on January 31, 2025, 04:22:39 pm
  DBR, I don't think I have commented on any player going out on loan as I have no idea who we are willing to let out on loan.
  If any do I wish them well, and hope they progress their career either here in future or elsewhere.

Sorry, my bad, it was Dutch who commented. I've corrected it now.
Title: Re: Players going out
Post by: steve@dcfd on January 31, 2025, 04:36:47 pm
If any of our players go to a league 2 club on loan and then produce more quality than they have shown for us then we could Question GMs decision making and mine really.
 But I have seen no improvement in the players suggested to force their way in to the first team and this is from last season. If Hurst is one then he couldn’t get in te first eleven in the final games last season and he’s no better this season. Westbrooke and Close were lucky to get a contract in the summer and both would not improve our midfield.
Title: Re: Players going out
Post by: andyst79 on January 31, 2025, 04:48:20 pm
A game of opinions, indeed, GazLaz, and I, for one, have the opposite view. Gibson and Hurst are both decent players, but too fragile, one physically and one mentally.

It’s not a thread about Gibson so my last point, the way he holds the ball up and allows us to get up the pitch is key to us. Our best performances have come when he’s played. He’s quality.
Gibsons been good the last couple of games when he's come on, you can tell he has quality just needs to find consistency. Could he do a job as a 10? As much as I admire Cliftons work rate and temperament I don't think he's a good enough footballer to play as a 10. Street looks a handful and offers us something different to what we have down both channels, fast , powerful & direct.
Title: Re: Players going out
Post by: 5minstogo on January 31, 2025, 05:07:49 pm
Chessie just signed a winger on loan from Brentford so hopefully the end of that one
Title: Re: Players going out
Post by: ForsolongaRover on January 31, 2025, 05:13:32 pm
Is it not a reasonable assumption that he wants a loan away because he feels that will be beneficial for his own development?

Whereas his contribution fitted neatly into the team last season, personnel have changed and somehow he seems unable to function in the current set-up with the fluidity that we saw then.
Title: Re: Players going out
Post by: selby on January 31, 2025, 05:19:24 pm
  Have they had offers from other clubs for anyone? Faulkner and Flint had choices and did the right thing and got out of there, are doing well, and attracting other clubs  watching them at their loan clubs.
Title: Re: Players going out
Post by: ncRover on January 31, 2025, 05:35:01 pm
I think a lot of supporters talk about Hurst as though he has no agency over himself and his own development.
He’s got bags of natural ability but hasn’t improved on his weaknesses in over two years (the less eye-catching parts of the game) that are just as important.
Title: Re: Players going out
Post by: ravenrover on January 31, 2025, 05:37:22 pm
Did Grant say 1 player had been let out and potentially Hurst and 2 or 3 others might go out.
 I've seen nothing that says who or where anyone is going
Title: Re: Players going out
Post by: ncRover on January 31, 2025, 05:39:23 pm
A game of opinions, indeed, GazLaz, and I, for one, have the opposite view. Gibson and Hurst are both decent players, but too fragile, one physically and one mentally.

It’s not a thread about Gibson so my last point, the way he holds the ball up and allows us to get up the pitch is key to us. Our best performances have come when he’s played. He’s quality.
Gibsons been good the last couple of games when he's come on, you can tell he has quality just needs to find consistency. Could he do a job as a 10? As much as I admire Cliftons work rate and temperament I don't think he's a good enough footballer to play as a 10. Street looks a handful and offers us something different to what we have down both channels, fast , powerful & direct.

Said this a while ago about Gibson, he’d be really good in that no.10 position. Doesn’t suit this system as a wide player.
He played more central for Carlisle few years ago and finished the season with the most “big chances created” in L2.

https://www.fotmob.com/en-GB/leagues/109/stats/season/17836/players/big_chance_created
Title: Re: Players going out
Post by: mpc123 on January 31, 2025, 06:04:01 pm
Loaning a quality player to a side competing with us for promotion is a slightly odd one.


I'm not to sure he is consistent enough though, it would be nice if he was.
Title: Re: Players going out
Post by: GazLaz on January 31, 2025, 06:46:06 pm
Personally I think Hurst is better than Clifton and Sbarra for the number 10 role but he just hasn’t grabbed his chance. Shame because he’s got talent.

He’s a developing player and we should be nurturing him.

Not something we do though is it, unfortunately

The whole ethos of the club should be about development. Whether that’s young players, old players, manager, Chairman, everyone. It’s not though is it.

The manager signing players in January to replace players signed/ given contracts to in the summer is criminal. He’s paid to develop these players, make them better, and make them fit into a functioning team. Not just sign more players when he thinks things may be getting tricky. Ends up being an Emperors new clothes situation.
Title: Re: Players going out
Post by: Chris Black come back on January 31, 2025, 07:53:22 pm
It’s a mixed bag with McCann. The McGrath decision was clearly a winner. Most of his loans have earned their place. But extending deals of Wood, Close and Westbrooke seems totally mystifying. Then Nixon and Senior who rarely play. Emmanuel not on much cash but in then out. None of us complained about Billy but that must be good money for us and not a player that feels like a natural McCann signing. Very odd use of resources all in all but we are second I guess.
Title: Re: Players going out
Post by: DonnyOsmond on January 31, 2025, 08:32:50 pm
Wood was fine, no one could foresee he was going to be injured within the first week and be out for the season. Prior to that he led us to the play offs so was worthy of the new deal.
Title: Re: Players going out
Post by: GazLaz on January 31, 2025, 08:36:41 pm
Wood was fine, no one could foresee he was going to be injured within the first week and be out for the season. Prior to that he led us to the play offs so was worthy of the new deal.

The man’s 39 and missed half of last season. I don’t think extending was a no brainier. Not featuring much this season was always fairly likely wasn’t it? Probably.
Title: Re: Players going out
Post by: dickos1 on January 31, 2025, 08:42:21 pm
Personally I think Hurst is better than Clifton and Sbarra for the number 10 role but he just hasn’t grabbed his chance. Shame because he’s got talent.

He’s a developing player and we should be nurturing him.

Not something we do though is it, unfortunately

The whole ethos of the club should be about development. Whether that’s young players, old players, manager, Chairman, everyone. It’s not though is it.

The manager signing players in January to replace players signed/ given contracts to in the summer is criminal. He’s paid to develop these players, make them better, and make them fit into a functioning team. Not just sign more players when he thinks things may be getting tricky. Ends up being an Emperors new clothes situation.

Sorry can’t agree with this, every club in the country signs players and then replaces them, he’s significantly developed plenty of players, Maxwell, olowu, McGrath, molyneux, Bailey, etc,
We’re no different to any club, some signings work and some don’t whether that’s new signings or new contracts.
McCanns job at the end of the day is to get us promoted everything else is just a bonus, promotion is the be all and end all
Title: Re: Players going out
Post by: GazLaz on January 31, 2025, 08:49:00 pm
Personally I think Hurst is better than Clifton and Sbarra for the number 10 role but he just hasn’t grabbed his chance. Shame because he’s got talent.

He’s a developing player and we should be nurturing him.

Not something we do though is it, unfortunately

The whole ethos of the club should be about development. Whether that’s young players, old players, manager, Chairman, everyone. It’s not though is it.

The manager signing players in January to replace players signed/ given contracts to in the summer is criminal. He’s paid to develop these players, make them better, and make them fit into a functioning team. Not just sign more players when he thinks things may be getting tricky. Ends up being an Emperors new clothes situation.

Sorry can’t agree with this, every club in the country signs players and then replaces them, he’s significantly developed plenty of players, Maxwell, olowu, McGrath, molyneux, Bailey, etc,
We’re no different to any club, some signings work and some don’t whether that’s new signings or new contracts.
McCanns job at the end of the day is to get us promoted everything else is just a bonus, promotion is the be all and end all


If you look through the prism of this season or even this month, then probably promotion is the main priority. Look at the club in the long term then we’ve got to have a better plan than “chuck more money at it and we might have a chance”. That’s all this season’s success has been down to. Get a good manager and spend as much as possible isn’t really a sustainable, value plan is it.
Title: Re: Players going out
Post by: Nudga on January 31, 2025, 08:52:08 pm
It needed doing though Gaz after the blunt years.

Maybe the plan comes together in year three or league 1?
Title: Re: Players going out
Post by: Jimmydee on January 31, 2025, 08:52:46 pm
I’m wondering if Hurst has upset Grant behind the scenes for him to be considered for a loan out or for selling.
Maybe it’s an attitude that’s not meeting Grants expectations.
Title: Re: Players going out
Post by: DonnyOsmond on January 31, 2025, 08:53:23 pm
Wood was fine, no one could foresee he was going to be injured within the first week and be out for the season. Prior to that he led us to the play offs so was worthy of the new deal.

The man’s 39 and missed half of last season. I don’t think extending was a no brainier. Not featuring much this season was always fairly likely wasn’t it? Probably.

20:20 hindsight.
Title: Re: Players going out
Post by: GazLaz on January 31, 2025, 08:55:46 pm
Wood was fine, no one could foresee he was going to be injured within the first week and be out for the season. Prior to that he led us to the play offs so was worthy of the new deal.

The man’s 39 and missed half of last season. I don’t think extending was a no brainier. Not featuring much this season was always fairly likely wasn’t it? Probably.

20:20 hindsight.


It’s not though is it. People get paid lots of money to make big calls like giving out contracts. This wouldn’t have been too difficult of a call to make.
Title: Re: Players going out
Post by: GazLaz on January 31, 2025, 08:56:54 pm
It needed doing though Gaz after the blunt years.

Maybe the plan comes together in year three or league 1?

Ye, think you are right. There needed to be some injection. A long term plan would be a real positive though.
Title: Re: Players going out
Post by: WarwickRover on January 31, 2025, 08:59:07 pm
Wood was fine, no one could foresee he was going to be injured within the first week and be out for the season. Prior to that he led us to the play offs so was worthy of the new deal.

The man’s 39 and missed half of last season. I don’t think extending was a no brainier. Not featuring much this season was always fairly likely wasn’t it? Probably.
Hindsight, after timing bud but you're not wrong
Title: Re: Players going out
Post by: GazLaz on January 31, 2025, 09:01:04 pm
Wood was fine, no one could foresee he was going to be injured within the first week and be out for the season. Prior to that he led us to the play offs so was worthy of the new deal.

The man’s 39 and missed half of last season. I don’t think extending was a no brainier. Not featuring much this season was always fairly likely wasn’t it? Probably.
Hindsight, after timing bud but you're not wrong

Emotion/sentiment led decision making costs you money.
Title: Re: Players going out
Post by: sedwardsdrfc on January 31, 2025, 09:24:42 pm
If he’s not going out on loan I’m still confused about the Ennis signing. Street gives us something different and looks like he could be the workhorse type up front given the chance. Not sure he’s a winger. Ennis looks to be the same mould as hurst and we just get him for 6 months and then nothing.

I just think Kyle got some injuries last season and Haks joined and was in the form of his life. Since his injuries he’s never had 10 games on the trot to cement a place. Molly is afforded that time and he delivers. If we chopped him out the team as often as Kyle he wouldn’t be the player he is.

I’m not saying it the wrong decision for GM he’s obviously focused on the here and now maybe the clubs wasting an asset though.
Title: Re: Players going out
Post by: Chris Black come back on January 31, 2025, 09:27:55 pm
We still lack an overall structure other than having McCann and spending enough at this level to give him what he needs to get us up. That’s not a strategy likely to work in League One unless Terry wants to end up on the state pension in 12 months. McCann is a great manager but that’s what we’ve signed up to. A great manager at this level and not a great structure.
Title: Re: Players going out
Post by: dickos1 on January 31, 2025, 10:24:56 pm
Personally I think Hurst is better than Clifton and Sbarra for the number 10 role but he just hasn’t grabbed his chance. Shame because he’s got talent.

He’s a developing player and we should be nurturing him.

Not something we do though is it, unfortunately

The whole ethos of the club should be about development. Whether that’s young players, old players, manager, Chairman, everyone. It’s not though is it.

The manager signing players in January to replace players signed/ given contracts to in the summer is criminal. He’s paid to develop these players, make them better, and make them fit into a functioning team. Not just sign more players when he thinks things may be getting tricky. Ends up being an Emperors new clothes situation.

Sorry can’t agree with this, every club in the country signs players and then replaces them, he’s significantly developed plenty of players, Maxwell, olowu, McGrath, molyneux, Bailey, etc,
We’re no different to any club, some signings work and some don’t whether that’s new signings or new contracts.
McCanns job at the end of the day is to get us promoted everything else is just a bonus, promotion is the be all and end all


If you look through the prism of this season or even this month, then probably promotion is the main priority. Look at the club in the long term then we’ve got to have a better plan than “chuck more money at it and we might have a chance”. That’s all this season’s success has been down to. Get a good manager and spend as much as possible isn’t really a sustainable, value plan is it.

We had to inject some money and we had to invest in a better squad but to suggest there’s no eye on the future is just wrong. Our squad must be amongst the youngest in the division,
McGrath, olowu, Maxwell, Bailey, molyneux, are amongst the best players in the division and are our players being developed
Title: Re: Players going out
Post by: steve@dcfd on January 31, 2025, 11:37:28 pm
I'm hearing Hurst on loan to Chesterfield.
They’ve signed two wingers on loan one from Brentford and one from Lincoln so I can’t see Hurst going to Chesterfield
Title: Re: Players going out
Post by: IDM on February 01, 2025, 08:30:13 am
We still lack an overall structure other than having McCann and spending enough at this level to give him what he needs to get us up. That’s not a strategy likely to work in League One unless Terry wants to end up on the state pension in 12 months. McCann is a great manager but that’s what we’ve signed up to. A great manager at this level and not a great structure.

How did we do with GM in league 1 last time, with a mix of our own and one or two “decent” young loanees.??
Title: Re: Players going out
Post by: Chris Black come back on February 01, 2025, 08:41:43 am
That's true but since then there is significant finance come down the leagues and into League One. There are not only some traditionally big clubs in there but also more modest clubs with very big external backing. As a guide also, the sides currently in the Championship drop zone include Luton Town who were in the Premier League 18 months ago and also Derby County. League One is a much different place from 2018/19 and were we to get there, staying alive alone would be a good outcome let alone competing.
Title: Re: Players going out
Post by: mpc123 on February 01, 2025, 09:55:21 am
Personally I think Hurst is better than Clifton and Sbarra for the number 10 role but he just hasn’t grabbed his chance. Shame because he’s got talent.

He’s a developing player and we should be nurturing him.

Not something we do though is it, unfortunately

The whole ethos of the club should be about development. Whether that’s young players, old players, manager, Chairman, everyone. It’s not though is it.

The manager signing players in January to replace players signed/ given contracts to in the summer is criminal. He’s paid to develop these players, make them better, and make them fit into a functioning team. Not just sign more players when he thinks things may be getting tricky. Ends up being an Emperors new clothes situation.

Sorry can’t agree with this, every club in the country signs players and then replaces them, he’s significantly developed plenty of players, Maxwell, olowu, McGrath, molyneux, Bailey, etc,
We’re no different to any club, some signings work and some don’t whether that’s new signings or new contracts.
McCanns job at the end of the day is to get us promoted everything else is just a bonus, promotion is the be all and end all


If you look through the prism of this season or even this month, then probably promotion is the main priority. Look at the club in the long term then we’ve got to have a better plan than “chuck more money at it and we might have a chance”. That’s all this season’s success has been down to. Get a good manager and spend as much as possible isn’t really a sustainable, value plan is it.

We had to inject some money and we had to invest in a better squad but to suggest there’s no eye on the future is just wrong. Our squad must be amongst the youngest in the division,
McGrath, olowu, Maxwell, Bailey, molyneux, are amongst the best players in the division and are our players being developed

It looks like a well planned future to me. Investment into team to start the success, investment into management, coaching staff and medical. Now huge investment in the training ground. Either people are well out of touch with the latest news or god knows what is going off in their head.
Title: Re: Players going out
Post by: mpc123 on February 01, 2025, 10:01:37 am
Personally I think Hurst is better than Clifton and Sbarra for the number 10 role but he just hasn’t grabbed his chance. Shame because he’s got talent.

He’s a developing player and we should be nurturing him.

Not something we do though is it, unfortunately

The whole ethos of the club should be about development. Whether that’s young players, old players, manager, Chairman, everyone. It’s not though is it.

The manager signing players in January to replace players signed/ given contracts to in the summer is criminal. He’s paid to develop these players, make them better, and make them fit into a functioning team. Not just sign more players when he thinks things may be getting tricky. Ends up being an Emperors new clothes situation.

I disagree, there is a development ethos, yet we also need an element of accelerated improvement to get where we want to get at the moment. It's obvious Baldwin has a plan for league 1 and to support that. My guess is we are much more sustainable, attractive to buyers, attractive to players in that league and it makes sense. I think most players are million times better since mccann arrived meaning he has developed them, it's just we need to accelerate the progress, so bring others in, loan out if required. It doesn't mean they won't he here next year if their development continues/ accelerates. Hurst has to improve his workrate = defensive duties for me to be in this team. If not we need people who will. Hopefully he progesses quicker.
Title: Re: Players going out
Post by: Cramby10 on February 01, 2025, 10:09:51 am
Personally I think Hurst is better than Clifton and Sbarra for the number 10 role but he just hasn’t grabbed his chance. Shame because he’s got talent.

He’s a developing player and we should be nurturing him.

Not something we do though is it, unfortunately

The whole ethos of the club should be about development. Whether that’s young players, old players, manager, Chairman, everyone. It’s not though is it.

The manager signing players in January to replace players signed/ given contracts to in the summer is criminal. He’s paid to develop these players, make them better, and make them fit into a functioning team. Not just sign more players when he thinks things may be getting tricky. Ends up being an Emperors new clothes situation.

Sorry can’t agree with this, every club in the country signs players and then replaces them, he’s significantly developed plenty of players, Maxwell, olowu, McGrath, molyneux, Bailey, etc,
We’re no different to any club, some signings work and some don’t whether that’s new signings or new contracts.
McCanns job at the end of the day is to get us promoted everything else is just a bonus, promotion is the be all and end all


If you look through the prism of this season or even this month, then probably promotion is the main priority. Look at the club in the long term then we’ve got to have a better plan than “chuck more money at it and we might have a chance”. That’s all this season’s success has been down to. Get a good manager and spend as much as possible isn’t really a sustainable, value plan is it.

We had to inject some money and we had to invest in a better squad but to suggest there’s no eye on the future is just wrong. Our squad must be amongst the youngest in the division,
McGrath, olowu, Maxwell, Bailey, molyneux, are amongst the best players in the division and are our players being developed

It looks like a well planned future to me. Investment into team to start the success, investment into management, coaching staff and medical. Now huge investment in the training ground. Either people are well out of touch with the latest news or god knows what is going off in their head.
agree with all the above apart from the team. Significant overhaul required to make us League 1 standard.
Title: Re: Players going out
Post by: mpc123 on February 01, 2025, 10:13:53 am
Personally I think Hurst is better than Clifton and Sbarra for the number 10 role but he just hasn’t grabbed his chance. Shame because he’s got talent.

He’s a developing player and we should be nurturing him.

Not something we do though is it, unfortunately

The whole ethos of the club should be about development. Whether that’s young players, old players, manager, Chairman, everyone. It’s not though is it.

The manager signing players in January to replace players signed/ given contracts to in the summer is criminal. He’s paid to develop these players, make them better, and make them fit into a functioning team. Not just sign more players when he thinks things may be getting tricky. Ends up being an Emperors new clothes situation.

Sorry can’t agree with this, every club in the country signs players and then replaces them, he’s significantly developed plenty of players, Maxwell, olowu, McGrath, molyneux, Bailey, etc,
We’re no different to any club, some signings work and some don’t whether that’s new signings or new contracts.
McCanns job at the end of the day is to get us promoted everything else is just a bonus, promotion is the be all and end all


If you look through the prism of this season or even this month, then probably promotion is the main priority. Look at the club in the long term then we’ve got to have a better plan than “chuck more money at it and we might have a chance”. That’s all this season’s success has been down to. Get a good manager and spend as much as possible isn’t really a sustainable, value plan is it.

We had to inject some money and we had to invest in a better squad but to suggest there’s no eye on the future is just wrong. Our squad must be amongst the youngest in the division,
McGrath, olowu, Maxwell, Bailey, molyneux, are amongst the best players in the division and are our players being developed

It looks like a well planned future to me. Investment into team to start the success, investment into management, coaching staff and medical. Now huge investment in the training ground. Either people are well out of touch with the latest news or god knows what is going off in their head.
agree with all the above apart from the team. Significant overhaul required to make us League 1 standard.
More summer clear out and new ins would see to that, yet I do feel the style of players would suit league 1 better. Yet nobody is saying we would look to win the league next year even if we got there. We can attract the players for league 1 when we are there.
Title: Re: Players going out
Post by: Chris Black come back on February 01, 2025, 10:15:43 am
If we made it and if they were contracted, there is a decent core with Olowu, McGrath, Bailey, Maxwell, Sterry and Molyneux, who would all hold their own in League One. Would need to add significantly to that group to stay up mind.
Title: Re: Players going out
Post by: Nudga on February 01, 2025, 10:17:48 am
If we made it and if they were contracted, there is a decent core with Olowu, McGrath, Bailey, Maxwell, Sterry and Molyneux, who would all hold their own in League One. Would need to add significantly to that group to stay up mind.

More chance of any successful loan players coming back for a 2nd season too.
TSL and possibly Crew. 
Title: Re: Players going out
Post by: Northants Nomad on February 01, 2025, 10:29:30 am
All that gnashing of teeth over the loan of Hurst to Chessie and it's not either case. If ever there was an example of waiting-and-seeing!
Title: Re: Players going out
Post by: Jonathan on February 01, 2025, 10:47:55 am
Extending Wood’s contract was a risk. With the impact he had at the end of last season I can see why we took that risk. But I can’t agree that what’s followed is a huge surprise. It’s just a disappointing outcome for all.
Title: Re: Players going out
Post by: IDM on February 01, 2025, 10:50:15 am
If he’s not going out on loan I’m still confused about the Ennis signing. Street gives us something different and looks like he could be the workhorse type up front given the chance. Not sure he’s a winger. Ennis looks to be the same mould as hurst and we just get him for 6 months and then nothing.

I just think Kyle got some injuries last season and Haks joined and was in the form of his life. Since his injuries he’s never had 10 games on the trot to cement a place. Molly is afforded that time and he delivers. If we chopped him out the team as often as Kyle he wouldn’t be the player he is.

I’m not saying it the wrong decision for GM he’s obviously focused on the here and now maybe the clubs wasting an asset though.

Not picking up on your post specifically other than your mention of Ennis.  I thought he looked a threat last Saturday and was looking to take a man on, get into the box etc.