Players going out

[ncRover]

I think a lot of supporters talk about Hurst as though he has no agency over himself and his own development.
He’s got bags of natural ability but hasn’t improved on his weaknesses in over two years (the less eye-catching parts of the game) that are just as important.

[ravenrover]

Did Grant say 1 player had been let out and potentially Hurst and 2 or 3 others might go out.
 I've seen nothing that says who or where anyone is going

[ncRover]

A game of opinions, indeed, GazLaz, and I, for one, have the opposite view. Gibson and Hurst are both decent players, but too fragile, one physically and one mentally.

It’s not a thread about Gibson so my last point, the way he holds the ball up and allows us to get up the pitch is key to us. Our best performances have come when he’s played. He’s quality.

Gibsons been good the last couple of games when he's come on, you can tell he has quality just needs to find consistency. Could he do a job as a 10? As much as I admire Cliftons work rate and temperament I don't think he's a good enough footballer to play as a 10. Street looks a handful and offers us something different to what we have down both channels, fast , powerful & direct.

Said this a while ago about Gibson, he’d be really good in that no.10 position. Doesn’t suit this system as a wide player.
He played more central for Carlisle few years ago and finished the season with the most “big chances created” in L2.

https://www.fotmob.com/en-GB/leagues/109/stats/season/17836/players/big_chance_created

[mpc123]

Loaning a quality player to a side competing with us for promotion is a slightly odd one.

I'm not to sure he is consistent enough though, it would be nice if he was.

[GazLaz]

Personally I think Hurst is better than Clifton and Sbarra for the number 10 role but he just hasn’t grabbed his chance. Shame because he’s got talent.

He’s a developing player and we should be nurturing him.

Not something we do though is it, unfortunately

The whole ethos of the club should be about development. Whether that’s young players, old players, manager, Chairman, everyone. It’s not though is it.

The manager signing players in January to replace players signed/ given contracts to in the summer is criminal. He’s paid to develop these players, make them better, and make them fit into a functioning team. Not just sign more players when he thinks things may be getting tricky. Ends up being an Emperors new clothes situation.

[Chris Black come back]

It’s a mixed bag with McCann. The McGrath decision was clearly a winner. Most of his loans have earned their place. But extending deals of Wood, Close and Westbrooke seems totally mystifying. Then Nixon and Senior who rarely play. Emmanuel not on much cash but in then out. None of us complained about Billy but that must be good money for us and not a player that feels like a natural McCann signing. Very odd use of resources all in all but we are second I guess.

[DonnyOsmond]

Wood was fine, no one could foresee he was going to be injured within the first week and be out for the season. Prior to that he led us to the play offs so was worthy of the new deal.

[GazLaz]

Wood was fine, no one could foresee he was going to be injured within the first week and be out for the season. Prior to that he led us to the play offs so was worthy of the new deal.

The man’s 39 and missed half of last season. I don’t think extending was a no brainier. Not featuring much this season was always fairly likely wasn’t it? Probably.

[dickos1]

Personally I think Hurst is better than Clifton and Sbarra for the number 10 role but he just hasn’t grabbed his chance. Shame because he’s got talent.

He’s a developing player and we should be nurturing him.

Not something we do though is it, unfortunately

The whole ethos of the club should be about development. Whether that’s young players, old players, manager, Chairman, everyone. It’s not though is it.

The manager signing players in January to replace players signed/ given contracts to in the summer is criminal. He’s paid to develop these players, make them better, and make them fit into a functioning team. Not just sign more players when he thinks things may be getting tricky. Ends up being an Emperors new clothes situation.

Sorry can’t agree with this, every club in the country signs players and then replaces them, he’s significantly developed plenty of players, Maxwell, olowu, McGrath, molyneux, Bailey, etc,
We’re no different to any club, some signings work and some don’t whether that’s new signings or new contracts.
McCanns job at the end of the day is to get us promoted everything else is just a bonus, promotion is the be all and end all

[GazLaz]

Personally I think Hurst is better than Clifton and Sbarra for the number 10 role but he just hasn’t grabbed his chance. Shame because he’s got talent.

He’s a developing player and we should be nurturing him.

Not something we do though is it, unfortunately

The whole ethos of the club should be about development. Whether that’s young players, old players, manager, Chairman, everyone. It’s not though is it.

The manager signing players in January to replace players signed/ given contracts to in the summer is criminal. He’s paid to develop these players, make them better, and make them fit into a functioning team. Not just sign more players when he thinks things may be getting tricky. Ends up being an Emperors new clothes situation.

Sorry can’t agree with this, every club in the country signs players and then replaces them, he’s significantly developed plenty of players, Maxwell, olowu, McGrath, molyneux, Bailey, etc,
We’re no different to any club, some signings work and some don’t whether that’s new signings or new contracts.
McCanns job at the end of the day is to get us promoted everything else is just a bonus, promotion is the be all and end all

If you look through the prism of this season or even this month, then probably promotion is the main priority. Look at the club in the long term then we’ve got to have a better plan than “chuck more money at it and we might have a chance”. That’s all this season’s success has been down to. Get a good manager and spend as much as possible isn’t really a sustainable, value plan is it.

[Nudga]

It needed doing though Gaz after the blunt years.

Maybe the plan comes together in year three or league 1?

[Jimmydee]

I’m wondering if Hurst has upset Grant behind the scenes for him to be considered for a loan out or for selling.
Maybe it’s an attitude that’s not meeting Grants expectations.

[DonnyOsmond]

Wood was fine, no one could foresee he was going to be injured within the first week and be out for the season. Prior to that he led us to the play offs so was worthy of the new deal.

The man’s 39 and missed half of last season. I don’t think extending was a no brainier. Not featuring much this season was always fairly likely wasn’t it? Probably.

20:20 hindsight.

[GazLaz]

Wood was fine, no one could foresee he was going to be injured within the first week and be out for the season. Prior to that he led us to the play offs so was worthy of the new deal.

The man’s 39 and missed half of last season. I don’t think extending was a no brainier. Not featuring much this season was always fairly likely wasn’t it? Probably.

20:20 hindsight.

It’s not though is it. People get paid lots of money to make big calls like giving out contracts. This wouldn’t have been too difficult of a call to make.

[GazLaz]

It needed doing though Gaz after the blunt years.

Maybe the plan comes together in year three or league 1?

Ye, think you are right. There needed to be some injection. A long term plan would be a real positive though.

[WarwickRover]

Wood was fine, no one could foresee he was going to be injured within the first week and be out for the season. Prior to that he led us to the play offs so was worthy of the new deal.

The man’s 39 and missed half of last season. I don’t think extending was a no brainier. Not featuring much this season was always fairly likely wasn’t it? Probably.

Hindsight, after timing bud but you're not wrong

[GazLaz]

Wood was fine, no one could foresee he was going to be injured within the first week and be out for the season. Prior to that he led us to the play offs so was worthy of the new deal.

The man’s 39 and missed half of last season. I don’t think extending was a no brainier. Not featuring much this season was always fairly likely wasn’t it? Probably.

Hindsight, after timing bud but you're not wrong

Emotion/sentiment led decision making costs you money.

[sedwardsdrfc]

If he’s not going out on loan I’m still confused about the Ennis signing. Street gives us something different and looks like he could be the workhorse type up front given the chance. Not sure he’s a winger. Ennis looks to be the same mould as hurst and we just get him for 6 months and then nothing.

I just think Kyle got some injuries last season and Haks joined and was in the form of his life. Since his injuries he’s never had 10 games on the trot to cement a place. Molly is afforded that time and he delivers. If we chopped him out the team as often as Kyle he wouldn’t be the player he is.

I’m not saying it the wrong decision for GM he’s obviously focused on the here and now maybe the clubs wasting an asset though.

[Chris Black come back]

We still lack an overall structure other than having McCann and spending enough at this level to give him what he needs to get us up. That’s not a strategy likely to work in League One unless Terry wants to end up on the state pension in 12 months. McCann is a great manager but that’s what we’ve signed up to. A great manager at this level and not a great structure.

[dickos1]

Personally I think Hurst is better than Clifton and Sbarra for the number 10 role but he just hasn’t grabbed his chance. Shame because he’s got talent.

He’s a developing player and we should be nurturing him.

Not something we do though is it, unfortunately

The whole ethos of the club should be about development. Whether that’s young players, old players, manager, Chairman, everyone. It’s not though is it.

The manager signing players in January to replace players signed/ given contracts to in the summer is criminal. He’s paid to develop these players, make them better, and make them fit into a functioning team. Not just sign more players when he thinks things may be getting tricky. Ends up being an Emperors new clothes situation.

Sorry can’t agree with this, every club in the country signs players and then replaces them, he’s significantly developed plenty of players, Maxwell, olowu, McGrath, molyneux, Bailey, etc,
We’re no different to any club, some signings work and some don’t whether that’s new signings or new contracts.
McCanns job at the end of the day is to get us promoted everything else is just a bonus, promotion is the be all and end all

If you look through the prism of this season or even this month, then probably promotion is the main priority. Look at the club in the long term then we’ve got to have a better plan than “chuck more money at it and we might have a chance”. That’s all this season’s success has been down to. Get a good manager and spend as much as possible isn’t really a sustainable, value plan is it.

We had to inject some money and we had to invest in a better squad but to suggest there’s no eye on the future is just wrong. Our squad must be amongst the youngest in the division,
McGrath, olowu, Maxwell, Bailey, molyneux, are amongst the best players in the division and are our players being developed

[steve@dcfd]

I'm hearing Hurst on loan to Chesterfield.

They’ve signed two wingers on loan one from Brentford and one from Lincoln so I can’t see Hurst going to Chesterfield

[IDM]

We still lack an overall structure other than having McCann and spending enough at this level to give him what he needs to get us up. That’s not a strategy likely to work in League One unless Terry wants to end up on the state pension in 12 months. McCann is a great manager but that’s what we’ve signed up to. A great manager at this level and not a great structure.

How did we do with GM in league 1 last time, with a mix of our own and one or two “decent” young loanees.??

[Chris Black come back]

That's true but since then there is significant finance come down the leagues and into League One. There are not only some traditionally big clubs in there but also more modest clubs with very big external backing. As a guide also, the sides currently in the Championship drop zone include Luton Town who were in the Premier League 18 months ago and also Derby County. League One is a much different place from 2018/19 and were we to get there, staying alive alone would be a good outcome let alone competing.

[mpc123]

Personally I think Hurst is better than Clifton and Sbarra for the number 10 role but he just hasn’t grabbed his chance. Shame because he’s got talent.

He’s a developing player and we should be nurturing him.

Not something we do though is it, unfortunately

The whole ethos of the club should be about development. Whether that’s young players, old players, manager, Chairman, everyone. It’s not though is it.

The manager signing players in January to replace players signed/ given contracts to in the summer is criminal. He’s paid to develop these players, make them better, and make them fit into a functioning team. Not just sign more players when he thinks things may be getting tricky. Ends up being an Emperors new clothes situation.

Sorry can’t agree with this, every club in the country signs players and then replaces them, he’s significantly developed plenty of players, Maxwell, olowu, McGrath, molyneux, Bailey, etc,
We’re no different to any club, some signings work and some don’t whether that’s new signings or new contracts.
McCanns job at the end of the day is to get us promoted everything else is just a bonus, promotion is the be all and end all

If you look through the prism of this season or even this month, then probably promotion is the main priority. Look at the club in the long term then we’ve got to have a better plan than “chuck more money at it and we might have a chance”. That’s all this season’s success has been down to. Get a good manager and spend as much as possible isn’t really a sustainable, value plan is it.

We had to inject some money and we had to invest in a better squad but to suggest there’s no eye on the future is just wrong. Our squad must be amongst the youngest in the division,
McGrath, olowu, Maxwell, Bailey, molyneux, are amongst the best players in the division and are our players being developed

It looks like a well planned future to me. Investment into team to start the success, investment into management, coaching staff and medical. Now huge investment in the training ground. Either people are well out of touch with the latest news or god knows what is going off in their head.

[mpc123]

Personally I think Hurst is better than Clifton and Sbarra for the number 10 role but he just hasn’t grabbed his chance. Shame because he’s got talent.

He’s a developing player and we should be nurturing him.

Not something we do though is it, unfortunately

The whole ethos of the club should be about development. Whether that’s young players, old players, manager, Chairman, everyone. It’s not though is it.

The manager signing players in January to replace players signed/ given contracts to in the summer is criminal. He’s paid to develop these players, make them better, and make them fit into a functioning team. Not just sign more players when he thinks things may be getting tricky. Ends up being an Emperors new clothes situation.

I disagree, there is a development ethos, yet we also need an element of accelerated improvement to get where we want to get at the moment. It's obvious Baldwin has a plan for league 1 and to support that. My guess is we are much more sustainable, attractive to buyers, attractive to players in that league and it makes sense. I think most players are million times better since mccann arrived meaning he has developed them, it's just we need to accelerate the progress, so bring others in, loan out if required. It doesn't mean they won't he here next year if their development continues/ accelerates. Hurst has to improve his workrate = defensive duties for me to be in this team. If not we need people who will. Hopefully he progesses quicker.

[Cramby10]

Personally I think Hurst is better than Clifton and Sbarra for the number 10 role but he just hasn’t grabbed his chance. Shame because he’s got talent.

He’s a developing player and we should be nurturing him.

Not something we do though is it, unfortunately

The whole ethos of the club should be about development. Whether that’s young players, old players, manager, Chairman, everyone. It’s not though is it.

The manager signing players in January to replace players signed/ given contracts to in the summer is criminal. He’s paid to develop these players, make them better, and make them fit into a functioning team. Not just sign more players when he thinks things may be getting tricky. Ends up being an Emperors new clothes situation.

Sorry can’t agree with this, every club in the country signs players and then replaces them, he’s significantly developed plenty of players, Maxwell, olowu, McGrath, molyneux, Bailey, etc,
We’re no different to any club, some signings work and some don’t whether that’s new signings or new contracts.
McCanns job at the end of the day is to get us promoted everything else is just a bonus, promotion is the be all and end all

If you look through the prism of this season or even this month, then probably promotion is the main priority. Look at the club in the long term then we’ve got to have a better plan than “chuck more money at it and we might have a chance”. That’s all this season’s success has been down to. Get a good manager and spend as much as possible isn’t really a sustainable, value plan is it.

We had to inject some money and we had to invest in a better squad but to suggest there’s no eye on the future is just wrong. Our squad must be amongst the youngest in the division,
McGrath, olowu, Maxwell, Bailey, molyneux, are amongst the best players in the division and are our players being developed

It looks like a well planned future to me. Investment into team to start the success, investment into management, coaching staff and medical. Now huge investment in the training ground. Either people are well out of touch with the latest news or god knows what is going off in their head.

agree with all the above apart from the team. Significant overhaul required to make us League 1 standard.

[mpc123]

Personally I think Hurst is better than Clifton and Sbarra for the number 10 role but he just hasn’t grabbed his chance. Shame because he’s got talent.

He’s a developing player and we should be nurturing him.

Not something we do though is it, unfortunately

The whole ethos of the club should be about development. Whether that’s young players, old players, manager, Chairman, everyone. It’s not though is it.

The manager signing players in January to replace players signed/ given contracts to in the summer is criminal. He’s paid to develop these players, make them better, and make them fit into a functioning team. Not just sign more players when he thinks things may be getting tricky. Ends up being an Emperors new clothes situation.

Sorry can’t agree with this, every club in the country signs players and then replaces them, he’s significantly developed plenty of players, Maxwell, olowu, McGrath, molyneux, Bailey, etc,
We’re no different to any club, some signings work and some don’t whether that’s new signings or new contracts.
McCanns job at the end of the day is to get us promoted everything else is just a bonus, promotion is the be all and end all

If you look through the prism of this season or even this month, then probably promotion is the main priority. Look at the club in the long term then we’ve got to have a better plan than “chuck more money at it and we might have a chance”. That’s all this season’s success has been down to. Get a good manager and spend as much as possible isn’t really a sustainable, value plan is it.

We had to inject some money and we had to invest in a better squad but to suggest there’s no eye on the future is just wrong. Our squad must be amongst the youngest in the division,
McGrath, olowu, Maxwell, Bailey, molyneux, are amongst the best players in the division and are our players being developed

It looks like a well planned future to me. Investment into team to start the success, investment into management, coaching staff and medical. Now huge investment in the training ground. Either people are well out of touch with the latest news or god knows what is going off in their head.

agree with all the above apart from the team. Significant overhaul required to make us League 1 standard.

More summer clear out and new ins would see to that, yet I do feel the style of players would suit league 1 better. Yet nobody is saying we would look to win the league next year even if we got there. We can attract the players for league 1 when we are there.

[Chris Black come back]

If we made it and if they were contracted, there is a decent core with Olowu, McGrath, Bailey, Maxwell, Sterry and Molyneux, who would all hold their own in League One. Would need to add significantly to that group to stay up mind.

[Nudga]

If we made it and if they were contracted, there is a decent core with Olowu, McGrath, Bailey, Maxwell, Sterry and Molyneux, who would all hold their own in League One. Would need to add significantly to that group to stay up mind.

More chance of any successful loan players coming back for a 2nd season too.
TSL and possibly Crew. 

[Northants Nomad]

All that gnashing of teeth over the loan of Hurst to Chessie and it's not either case. If ever there was an example of waiting-and-seeing!