Brexit - how well is it going?

[SydneyRover]

You may be confusing those whom wish to counter the few that desperately cling to the lifeboat named 'brexit was good' and you may not be of course. Although the numbers of those refusing to accept reality are dwindling.

[drfchound]

I, too, regret the position we are in now, despite voting leave. But I don’t regret voting leave, if that makes sense.
What really, really irks me are the bitter remainers who tar everyone with the same racist, bigoted, gullible, thick kitson brush (there are quite a few on here who do that.
If there is another vote in my lifetime, I will have this experience to help me choose. Having said that, if there was a vote tomorrow, I would vote to rejoin. I may not feel the same way though in 20 years time.
I just wish the bitter ones amongst us would accept the democratic decision and move on.

I have regularly said on here that I voted remain and was very saddened when the vote turned out as it did.
However, I can accept the outcome of the vote and move on, unlike many people on here who seem too bitter to be able to do the same.
Moaning about it won’t change anything.

[idler]

I, too, regret the position we are in now, despite voting leave. But I don’t regret voting leave, if that makes sense.
What really, really irks me are the bitter remainers who tar everyone with the same racist, bigoted, gullible, thick kitson brush (there are quite a few on here who do that.
If there is another vote in my lifetime, I will have this experience to help me choose. Having said that, if there was a vote tomorrow, I would vote to rejoin. I may not feel the same way though in 20 years time.
I just wish the bitter ones amongst us would accept the democratic decision and move on.

I’m not bitter belton, just very disappointed that what we expected never materialised.
 I would also be interested to know how the fortunes of Farage, Rees Mogg etc. who were staunch Brexiteers fared compared to the average British voter.

[selby]

  I don't have to show you or anyone else anything Syd, and I always take what you say as the truth you believe although I think it is a subject that has absolutely nothing to do with you and clap trap.
  Often think you really miss living in old blighty as it looks from outside you don't have much affinity with Australia and visualise you like the character Lonely in the TV series Callan, he stank.

[SydneyRover]

As I said earlier selby, you appear to be the bitter one

[belton rover]

I, too, regret the position we are in now, despite voting leave. But I don’t regret voting leave, if that makes sense.
What really, really irks me are the bitter remainers who tar everyone with the same racist, bigoted, gullible, thick kitson brush (there are quite a few on here who do that.
If there is another vote in my lifetime, I will have this experience to help me choose. Having said that, if there was a vote tomorrow, I would vote to rejoin. I may not feel the same way though in 20 years time.
I just wish the bitter ones amongst us would accept the democratic decision and move on.

I’m not bitter Bolton, just very disappointed that what we expected never materialised.
 I would also be interested to know how the fortunes of Farage, Rees Mogg etc. who were staunch Brexiteers fared compared to the average British voter.

I sense that from your posts. Of course there are remainers who have accepted the result, it’s time for the rest to catch up.

[belton rover]

You may be confusing those whom wish to counter the few that desperately cling to the lifeboat named 'brexit was good' and you may not be of course. Although the numbers of those refusing to accept reality are dwindling.

That’s a fair point, but I don’t think I am.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Point is Belton, many of us ARE getting on with it. The ones who are treating Leave supporters as stupid, and still keeping the Brexit fight going are the likes of Rees Mogg in that tweet I posted.

He knows damn well that we DID have entirely free trade with Europe before he, Gove, Johnson and Farage took the country down the garden path. Now, 8 years on, he's still trying to deceive Leave supporters that all the woes of Brexit are due to the attitudes of the damn foreigners. He can only be assuming that the Leave supporters are too thick to see what he is doing.

[Sprotyrover]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/jan/07/germany-mass-strikes-far-right-afd
Yet another Brexit Benefit!
German farmers blockade the country and prevent the Green Party Leader Huber from getting off his Ferry after he tried to return from his Jollies, the Greens and CDU are attempting to do away with Diesel fuel subsidies for farmers in an attempt to fund a €60 Billion budget shortfall!.
Also the Twit Haber won’t be able to travel back home by train as they are also on Strike for a week over Pay and conditions.

[Sprotyrover]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/dec/05/ukrainian-lorry-drivers-facing-polish-blockades-medyka
Another BULLET dodged ! Get ready for the Poles causing some real grief, we rebuilt their country for them and now they think they are a Superpower, confirmed the government hint look at the Map of Poland in 1939!
https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/weapons/a41020305/poland-becoming-tank-superpower/
https://www.economist.com/europe/2013/08/17/flexing-its-muscles

[SydneyRover]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/dec/05/ukrainian-lorry-drivers-facing-polish-blockades-medyka
Another BULLET dodged ! Get ready for the Poles causing some real grief, we rebuilt their country for them and now they think they are a Superpoer, confirmed the government hint look at the Map of Poland in 1939!
https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/weapons/a41020305/poland-becoming-tank-superpower/
https://www.economist.com/europe/2013/08/17/flexing-its-muscles

The shape of Britain may have been a tad different if the Polish pilots hadn't helped during the Battle of Britain ..........

And speaking of rebuilding .......

''The Polish Resettlement Bill was drawn up in 1946 and the Act was passed in 1947. It was the first ever mass immigration legislation passed by Parliament in Britain and allowed over 200,000 Poles to remain in the United Kingdom''

https://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/education/resources/commonwealth-migration-since-1945/#:~:text=The%20Polish%20Resettlement%20Bill%20was,remain%20in%20the%20United%20Kingdom.

The world has changed somewhat sprot.

[Not Now Kato]

Get your Valentines flower order in early
 
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/2cc79cd6-0ee5-4c34-b015-3f79ae1304e3?shareToken=4267471a1a32207536f62a11ad927851
 

[belton rover]

Get your Valentines flower order in early
 
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/2cc79cd6-0ee5-4c34-b015-3f79ae1304e3?shareToken=4267471a1a32207536f62a11ad927851
 

Thanks for that Kato. I’ll send Mrs Belton the link when she asks where her flowers are.
You’ve saved me a fortune!

[Sprotyrover]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/dec/05/ukrainian-lorry-drivers-facing-polish-blockades-medyka
Another BULLET dodged ! Get ready for the Poles causing some real grief, we rebuilt their country for them and now they think they are a Superpoer, confirmed the government hint look at the Map of Poland in 1939!
https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/weapons/a41020305/poland-becoming-tank-superpower/
https://www.economist.com/europe/2013/08/17/flexing-its-muscles

The shape of Britain may have been a tad different if the Polish pilots hadn't helped during the Battle of Britain ..........

And speaking of rebuilding .......

''The Polish Resettlement Bill was drawn up in 1946 and the Act was passed in 1947. It was the first ever mass immigration legislation passed by Parliament in Britain and allowed over 200,000 Poles to remain in the United Kingdom''

https://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/education/resources/commonwealth-migration-since-1945/#:~:text=The%20Polish%20Resettlement%20Bill%20was,remain%20in%20the%20United%20Kingdom.

The world has changed somewhat sprot.

It has Syd and we now have them ‘Sabre Rattling’ in Easter Europe, they have re built with massive grants from the EU and now seem to think they can reclaim their 16th Century Eastern empire!

[SydneyRover]

The article is behind a paywall sprot

[Sprotyrover]

I m managed to open both Syd if you google the article you get 3/4 versions back from various news sources who  seem to have plagiarised each others article, unless it’s an independent selling to all after tweaking the article slightly

[drfchound]

Yes sproty, it all opens up fine for me too.

[Sprotyrover]

https://www.msn.com/en-xl/news/other/farmers-blockade-berlin-with-tractors-over-subsidy-row/ar-AA1mCESt
German farmers to carry out 8 Days of Blockades

[SydneyRover]

I m managed to open both Syd if you google the article you get 3/4 versions back from various news sources who  seem to have plagiarised each others article, unless it’s an independent selling to all after tweaking the article slightly

ON A bluff close to the River Vistula in Warsaw stands Poland’s military museum. A collection of tanks, aircraft and artillery pieces pays tribute to a history of martial valour marked by glory and the trauma of existential defeat. The fact that predatory neighbours twice crushed the life out of Poland, and that its allies had no means to help, has left ineradicable scars. Although firmly embedded in NATO since 1999 and a member of the EU for almost a decade, Poland does not believe in letting down its guard.

Having weathered the past five years better than most—the economy has grown by a fifth since 2009—and imposed tight spending limits on most departments, the centre-right government of Donald Tusk, re-elected in 2011, has made modernising the armed forces a priority. This year’s defence budget of $9.5 billion has grown by 7% over 2012, bringing Poland close to the 2%-of-GDP target that all NATO members are supposed to meet, but very few do.

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[Sprotyrover]

Oh dear, farmers blockading Brussels city centre , Madrid and Macron getting hazed at the French Farmers show! Brexit… it’s just so good!

[River Don]

Oh dear, farmers blockading Brussels city centre , Madrid and Macrib getting hazed at the French Farmers show! Brexit… it’s just so good!

Mmmm. Our farmers aren't exactly thrilled about the UK alternative.

[Sprotyrover]

I m managed to open both Syd if you google the article you get 3/4 versions back from various news sources who  seem to have plagiarised each others article, unless it’s an independent selling to all after tweaking the article slightly

ON A bluff close to the River Vistula in Warsaw stands Poland’s military museum. A collection of tanks, aircraft and artillery pieces pays tribute to a history of martial valour marked by glory and the trauma of existential defeat. The fact that predatory neighbours twice crushed the life out of Poland, and that its allies had no means to help, has left ineradicable scars. Although firmly embedded in NATO since 1999 and a member of the EU for almost a decade, Poland does not believe in letting down its guard.

Having weathered the past five years better than most—the economy has grown by a fifth since 2009—and imposed tight spending limits on most departments, the centre-right government of Donald Tusk, re-elected in 2011, has made modernising the armed forces a priority. This year’s defence budget of $9.5 billion has grown by 7% over 2012, bringing Poland close to the 2%-of-GDP target that all NATO members are supposed to meet, but very few do.

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Another Bullet dodged Syd EU donating 130 billion to Euros to Poland, they are basic subsidising Polands massive  defence Spending spree.We were the second largest contributor to the Eu, only Germany,France and the Netherlands are net contributors, that at least €20 billion  we won’t be paying or 20 Hospitals! It just gets better!
https://www.euronews.com/my-europe/2024/02/23/brussels-to-unblock-137-billion-in-eu-funds-for-poland-as-soon-as-next-week

[SydneyRover]

All the money spent now will seem like chicken feed if russia overcomes Ukraine sproty.

[Sprotyrover]

All the money spent now will seem like chicken feed if russia overcomes Ukraine sproty.

If the likes of Germany etc had put their shoulders to the cart instead of underfunding their military for 15/20 years, we wouldn’t be in this position,
The Poles after being heavily funded for 20 odd years now see themselves as the strongmen of the EU unfortunately they have a lot of scores to settle to their East, as I said in a previous thread look at a map of Poland in 1939!
It is not in their psyche to keep their noses out, the EU has a loose cannon!

[SydneyRover]

All the money spent now will seem like chicken feed if russia overcomes Ukraine sproty.

If the likes of Germany etc had put their shoulders to the cart instead of underfunding their military for 15/20 years, we wouldn’t be in this position,
The Poles after being heavily funded for 20 odd years now see themselves as the strongmen of the EU unfortunately they have a lot of scores to settle to their East, as I said in a previous thread look at a map of Poland in 1939!
It is not in their psyche to keep their noses out, the EU has a loose cannon!

Looks like you are trying to find some random facts to suit your argument sprot, look at what I wrote

[Sprotyrover]

Another bullet dodged today as Polish Farmers violently protest outside Polish Parliament targeting Donald Tusk and the EU Green policies, impoverishing them!
https://youtu.be/EbfYnvfrk4s